Topic: Priapus shot (Read 154768 times)

incautious · « **on:** February 12, 2014, 03:36:28 PM »

Ok so I got the pirapus shot on 2/11/14. Dr Varano and staff were very professional about performing this procedure. Basically it takes about an hour for the procedure. The Dr. takes 60 cc’s of your blood and inserts it into the Magellan centrifuge. In about 20 min 10 cc’s of PRP is ready to be injected in 5-6 locations. Your using a numbing cream and there was only minor discomfort and just a little bruising. You must then use a vacuum pump that you bring with you for 10 minuets at 10 in HG, in order to more evenly distribute the PRP. It is claimed that you will see maximum results with in six weeks, all the while using the vacuum pump twice a day for 10 min and at 10 in HG. Dr Varano feels that this procedure works better for those who have right or left curvature because he can only inject on the sides and the glans. My curvature is upwards and between 30-40 degrees, and I feel optimistic that this will reduce my curvature. There is a significant increase in girth after 24 hours, and after pumping this morning a significant reduction in curvature. Pumping is one thing; the morning wood will really be the test to see if there is a reduction in peyronies. The science of PRP and its ability to help heal injuries is gaining recognition in the medical world, so the theory that it can help those with peryronies is a sound one. One other thing, Dr Runels the inventor of the pirapus shot, is asking the Dr’s who perform this procedure to have patients fill out an erectile dysfunction questionnaire before the shot and 6 weeks later. I’m guessing, and it is only a guess, that if Dr. Runels can show clinical data that it improves Erectile Dysfunction, there may be some insurance reimbursement of the $2000 cost. He is expected to present the data later this year. Also this is a new procedure and the cost of the centrifuge is high. As time goes by and more Dr’s start doing this procedure the cost will come down. Already there are Dr’s in 23 states and in just the three months that I started looking into this, there are now two in NJ. where there were none.

IhatePD · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2014, 05:12:02 PM »

incautious,

First of all, I wish you the best of luck and hope that this works out well for you.

Can you explain what you mean when you wrote that you used your VAC for "10 minutes at 10 in HG"? I have a manual vacuame pump and I don't understand what you mean by that.

Also, where is Dr. Vargano located?

Thanks.

MattFoley · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2014, 05:25:03 PM »

incautious, thank you for that great info. You're definitely on the cutting edge of curing Peyronie's.

I've been having regular conversations with Dr. Runels regarding this treatment and have been urging him to move towards aiming this procedure at Peyronie's patients. I emphasized to him that he's got essentially a captive audience of men who are willing to try just about anything to heal from this horrific disorder. The market here is greater than his initial demographic of men who want to simply enlarge their penis. Those men will use any extra money they have to go through with the Priapus Shot whereas Peyronie's sufferers will expend every last penny to be free of this nightmare.

While improvement in curvature should be expected, it won't likely be dramatic. However, girth and length improvement and angiogenesis is our ideal expectations and men being treated with this process are seeing that happen with the Priapus Shot.

Please keep us up to date. Thank you and God bless.

james1947 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2014, 07:00:57 PM »

incautious

Thanks for the info. As Matt has said, many of us (maybe all of us?) are interested to get back girth and length lost to Peyronies and solve the Erectile Dysfunction associated by some of us. $2,000 is big money (for me in any case) but worth a try before surgery and implant.
Wish you excellent outcome from the treatment.

James

emasculated · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2014, 08:39:50 AM »

I think 2000 is not that much compared to say surgery. I'm very curious to hear about the results. When I'm in the US the coming months I could benefit from the knowledge of some of the cutting edge treatments that could help me while there.

Chef Chris · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2014, 01:03:21 PM »

Thanks for the info incautious
Do you just need one treatment whit this?
It sounds really interesting I would love to try it I wouldn't mind coming to the stats just for this

incautious · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2014, 11:14:00 AM »

IhatePD, 10 in of HG is a measurement for vacuum just like PSI is a measurement for pressure. It stands for 10 inches of mercury. Dr Varano is located in Conshohocken PA. There is a list of Dr. performing this procedure here at this link

Directory | Priapus Shot (R)

incautious · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2014, 11:33:00 AM »

I hope I don't get long winded here. I have to say that I am very encouraged and that I have to agree with Mikehawk, that this treatment is very promising. After 3 days there is noticeable reduction in curvature and an increase in girth. It is still way to early to tell if this will be permanent and if it will work on everyone, but $2000 is cheap compared to surgery, and the price will come down as more Dr's perform this procedure. Dr Runnels invented this procedure for PE, penile enlargement(a muilt Billion dollar Business full of charlatans), and while the results for PE are mixed at best, the side effects of improved erectile function as well as an improvement in curvature are a very welcome result. They say that only one shot is needed for peyronies as well as Erectile Dysfunction. However factors such as smoking, obesity, cardio vascular issues ect all may play a roll on the effectiveness of this procedure . I will try and get some pics up in the surgery section when I can, and will document any results what ever they me be , in order to help keep all informed. Good Luck to all. I know it is a difficult thing and there have been many promising treatments that don't come out to much, all we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

james1947 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2014, 07:11:32 PM »

incautious

What you are writing are amazing results after 3 days.
Please keep updating us.
Chef Chris have asked:

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Do you just need one treatment whit this?

Do you have the answer?

James

MattFoley · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2014, 10:03:47 PM »

incautious, thanks for that great info. This is exactly what I was hoping you would report back and say. Great news.

emasculated · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2014, 02:07:36 PM »

That is a fairly aggressive VED protocol (twice a day, 6 weeks). How do you know that any improvement in girth / length, curvature is not simply due to the VED and not the injection at all? Also when it comes to data we only have some rat models right now. But I would be interested to hear more testimonials from people and maybe eventually see a study.

james1947 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2014, 05:35:59 PM »

emasculated

Trust me, VED will not give those results. The time is too short.
Please don't quote just if it is from long ago. Your post is understandable also without quoting

James

ifxne · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2014, 11:08:45 PM »

Incautious. Did the treatment include Acell (extracellular matrix)?

damian · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2014, 04:58:37 PM »

twice a day for 10 minuets isn't that much, or am I wrong?

MattFoley · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2014, 12:36:02 AM »

Guys, my understanding is that the reason for the VED along with the Priapus Shot is so that the PRP will remain active and focused on repairing and building the penile tissue fibers, hyperplasia, and angiogenesis. The Priapus Shot PRP remains active up until the 6th week after the injection. Without the PRP treatment, the amount of time using the VED would be far too short to see any real gains.

incautious · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2014, 08:05:18 AM »

This is an aggressive vacuum pressure that they are recommending and it is indeed required in order to keep everything active as Foley has stated. No other things were added to the PRP. I know Runnels was messing with things like HGH etc. It appears that one treatment is all that is needed, at least for Peyronies. As for the added girth, it is real in that it is still there, so much so that I had to order the next larger diameter tube. VED therapy usually lasts only a short time and then you contract back to normal, but I find that I pack my tube instantly now and that it is difficult to maintain the time frame, even though I have routinely halved used pressures this high in the past, and had been "training" at this pressure in anticipation of having to pump at this pressure. I will try and post pics tonight where you can judge for yourselves the results after only just one week.

incautious · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2014, 08:46:58 AM »

photos are up in the child boards in the surgery section.

Knight · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2014, 08:53:44 AM »

This is very encouraging information. Please keep updating your progress.

Good luck and God bless!

Mentos · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2014, 10:51:09 AM »

INCATUOUS!!

So great to hear about your experience and see your before and after pics!! Your giving me some much needed hope brother.

Question: what does the PRP do to the scar tissue? Does it shrink it? Make it more maleable to streth? Very curious to hear more.

Thanks!!

incautious · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2014, 11:13:20 AM »

mentos, that's good question about scar tissue. After all a scar will stay a scar. It may be that it's just adding elasticity to it which can relax the surrounding area. When I went for the procedure I showed Dr. Varano my before pic, so he would have an idea as to where to inject the PRP, a customized treatment so to speak. There was an area where he had difficulty injecting(push back) the PRP which he thought was and area of heavy plaque buildup or scaring, and had to move locations a bit. This procedure is so new for Peyronies, that they are still on a major learning curve. I know Dr. Varano Has done quite a few of these shots, however I would suspect that it was more for PE than for Peyronies. He has an email on his site so he may be able to answer some of the more technical questions. I told him about this site and that there were many others out there that were interested in this procedure, so he is receptive to inquires. Feel free to reference my name, Bill and the date of my procedure 2/11.

Japanfour · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2014, 04:28:55 PM »

Finally! incautious, you're the first person I've seen on these forums post pictures with positive results girth wise from almost ANY procedure, and they look amazing! I don't want to jump the gun here, but couldn't this be considered a cure? It looks incredible!

Also, did you have any hourglass or indentation before hand? This is what I have, so I'm curious if it effected you as well.

MattFoley · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2014, 04:34:59 PM »

incautious, thanks so very much for sharing your Priapus Shot experience and the pictures. Seeing is believing so I think anyone that had been doubting that this procedure can expand the girth, hopefully will feel a great deal less anxious about it.

I'm sure you realize that your experience with regard to the Priapus Shot is going to change the lives of a lot of men if your experience is duplicated for them as well.

As a reminder to anybody who's going to have the procedure done, DON'T SMOKE!! If you don't smoke, DON"T START!! If you are smoking now, STOP NOW!! If you are having problems breaking this horrific habit, try using "Chantix". This is a wonderful drug that will help you stop smoking.

You will be wasting your money if you have the P-Shot done and you're smoking. Tar makes it difficult for the penis to properly expand. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and it keeps the penis from expanding. Allow a couple of months from the time you last smoked to when you have the shot done. Waiting 2 months is my opinion and not based on any clinical data.

incautious, I think your efforts have just given hope to a whole bunch of guys.

I think a new era may just have dawned in the war on Peyronie's. The tide may just have turned in our favor.

Thank you and God bless us all.

james1947 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2014, 06:30:04 PM »

I made a search by the Internet and I find many posts stating big success of this treatment. Much more than Xiaflex and any other treatment. Seems to me a real successful Peyronies treatment. I am very excited, but maybe this is the SILVER BULLET for Peyronies!!!
This is the link to Priapus Shots website, worth reading:
Priapus Shot (R) | The Official Website. Description of how the penis can be rejuvenated and enlarged using platelet- derived growth factors (or Platelet-Rich Plasma).
By the way, have a very long list of doctors that are doing Priapus Shots.
incautious and others, I have tendency to move the topic to Development of Drugs and Treatments board. Opinions?

James

james1947 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2014, 07:02:17 PM »

I found an other article from August 2013
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/08/25/new-treatment-for-sexual-dysfunction/
James

IhatePD · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2014, 07:13:17 PM »

incautious, how long are yu supposed to wait before resuming sexual activity after the Priaous shot?

Knight · « **Reply #25 on:** February 18, 2014, 12:41:17 AM »

Nice work on the links to more information James! I've already located a local doctor from the 1st link you posted and sent him an email asking if he has any experience in this application for a Peyroines sufferer.

Who knows....

Knight · « **Reply #26 on:** February 18, 2014, 08:22:04 AM »

I have already received a response from the doctor I sent the email to last night. This is what he said,

"If you are afflicted with Peyronies Disease, then you would probably benefit from a Priapus shot into the fibrotic plaque area of your penis with activated PRP. The cost is $1400 for the Priapus shot. You need to be off aspirin and NSAIDS for at least 7 days. If you want to schedule a procedure appointment with me, call my office at 763-447-2500.

I would wait on an appointment with me if your still doing personal research on Peyronies Disease and the Priapus Shot until you decide whether or not to proceed.

Dr. Hogue

Roger S. Hogue, MD, RVT
Sent from my iPhone"

The only thing that makes me nervous is that last sentence about waiting if I'm still doing research.

Thoughts anyone?

Knight

MattFoley · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2014, 08:41:19 AM »

Knight, he just wants you to be knowledgeable about Peyronie's before you proceed, that's all. He wants you to understand your own Peyronie's issue before moving forward on any therapy. I think that is a very appropriate thing to say. Remember, everyone's Peyronie's is different.

James, thanks for the follow up info.

james1947 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 18, 2014, 11:15:01 AM »

Knight

His sentence is just fine:

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waiting if I'm still doing research

In my opinion he means that if you are not enough confident regarding the treatment, take time and research the subject.
This sentence was relaxing me, not making me nervous, it shows he is not pushing you in the direction.
I wish I had a doctor here where I am living now that makes Priapus injections, I was in his office tomorrow morning.
For me $1,400 is big money, but I was trying it based on incautious results

James

incautious · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2014, 01:19:55 PM »

WOW $$1400 already the price is coming down somewhat. The number of Dr's now performing this procedure has doubled just since I started researching this back in the summer. Mattfoley is right about the smoking and limited success of this. Dr Runels also states that you also start doing some sort of cardio if not doing that already. It appears that the healthier you are the better the results. I had just emailed a member that I was so frustrated with the curvature, the beginning of Erectile Dysfunction and the reduction of size, and the somewhat slow progress I was getting,that I was willing to try almost anything. In response to Japanfour I did at one time have the hourglass and indentation, I was able to "fix" most of that before hand. See my other posts under promising treatment. about traction, VED, Vit E ect. As for Ihate Peyronies Disease I got my shot on the 2/11. Let's just say that Valentines Day was a success three days later. One thing to note about sex, the increase in girth is a welcome blessing , however at the moment without a tension ring it's not quite as firm as say when I was 20 not bad but not like back then. This, Im sure is due to the added blood need to fully stiffen things up( although I did have several cocktails that night). Since the most positive results with the shot so far have been with Erectile Dysfunction, I'm sure that as this whole healing process evolves, things will improve in that department. As for moving this to the treatments board that's up to the administrators , keep in mind that this is still very early in the development of this treatment and the primary goal of this procedure is not Peyronie's, At this time.

IhatePD · « **Reply #30 on:** February 18, 2014, 02:53:11 PM »

incautious, WOW, 3 days before you had sex after the shot. I would have been too paranoid to have sex so soon fearing damaging myself. I am real happy for you! Keep us posted.

incautious · « **Reply #31 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:16:24 PM »

Hey it was valentines day and unfortunately the wife's libido is not what it used to be. Actually you couldn't have sex any sooner that's for sure. Heck I still had some minor bruising but when opportunity knocks...

Mentos · « **Reply #32 on:** February 18, 2014, 04:44:17 PM »

INCATUOUS what is your response to people's thoughts that it looks swollen?

incautious · « **Reply #33 on:** February 19, 2014, 09:18:50 AM »

It is indeed a bit swollen. But a little bit less now. Look at it this way, your manhood is like a balloon. Only it expands and contracts with blood instead of air. Now I was injected with 10'cc of PRP. Now if you look at a 10 cc syringe its about 3" x 1/2" which is probably about 50% of my flaccid member. Now add 50% more volume to that and just like a balloon it's going to expand. i was very surprised at the increase in girth. Here is the quote from the Runels site:
"So, volume goes up IMMEDIATELY, then goes down to various degrees but slowly over the next three days. In some people this decrease in volume is very small, in others it is a more noticeable decrease. In some, I’m seeing a growth back to where it was with the initial injection or better. In others, there is growth but not quite back to where we started. Smokers have the least amount of growth"

incautious · « **Reply #34 on:** February 19, 2014, 09:33:11 AM »

There are some other factors which may explain my swollen member and while it is still rather quite large. Since Dr Varano was 2 hours away I took the whole day off. I got home at around 1:30-2:00 Not having anything to do, i figured, I would do a more thorough job of distributing the PRP. So I pumped at LOW (3-5 HG) pressure for a total of 2 hours. I would pump for 10 min and then relax for 5 min. During the relaxation period I would roll my manhood in between my palms trying to distribute the PRP much better. This may be why the next evening I saw a remarkable reduction in curvature and a big increase in girth. Also I've Never Smoked, I do 30 min of cardio everyday and walk a total of between 8-10 miles a day . Also I'm taking Azor 10/20 for blood pressure. Azor is a VERY strong vasodilator. I believe that all these factors are contributing to the swollen appearance which is starting to abate. Remember PRP basically is mimicking an INJURY. Look what happens when you get a sprained ankle, it can stay swollen for days if not weeks.

damian · « **Reply #35 on:** February 19, 2014, 10:25:24 AM »

So the girth gain is only due a kind of hematoma. If so, it'll go back with time.

Knight · « **Reply #36 on:** February 19, 2014, 11:34:31 PM »

What about plaque? Does the Priapus shot do anything with, or too, existing plaque? Does it soften and/or dissolve it or is it still buried in there?

I know it's early but do you feel these results will be somewhat permanent or will you require another treatment in 18 months? Did your doctor discuss any of these issues with you?

Thanks for sharing this and explaining the process so well.

MattFoley · « **Reply #37 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:47:58 AM »

damian, there is some hematoma so it will shrink a bit but that is normal and expected. You will retain the vast majority of the increase in girth.

Knight, I know you're directing your questions to incautious so I hope you don't mind me helping to answer them for him.

Yes, the P-Shot will likely have some effect on the plaque. The increase in circulation, angiogenesis, and hyperplasia will all have some bearing on the integrity of the plaque. It can soften and/or dissolve it. There are a number of factors that will determine what happens to the plaque including how thick the plaque is, where it's located, how your body responds to the PRP, etc.

The results are permanent however you can build upon the results with multiple shots. You can get another shot after 6 weeks if you don't mind spending the money for it.

incautious · « **Reply #38 on:** February 20, 2014, 08:04:14 AM »

Thanks Matt for the help. Please anyone chime with info/answers if you know it. I wish MikeHawk would comment as he was the one with his posts that got me to the decision that I should get this. I know there were some who were skeptical of his claims, but I for one say he was right on the money . As for the plaque right now I cant feel it, the Urologist showed me where it was right off the bat, felt like a pea, and I cant' feel it now. I think that it is a combo of softening, maybe dissolving a bit and with the added girth a bit more difficult to find. I will try and post another pic hopefully within a week( I do have to be discreet ), as things firm up better, I'm actually taking 5 mg of cialis every day as opposed to 3 times a week, and as most of the swelling has subsided I will get something up soon on the Surgery site.( having sex on V day was probably not the best idea ;-)) Most of you will be amazed how much straighter it is getting. Will it last, I don't know. Dr Varano, didn't think another shot was necessary for peyronies, and that if i did i should wait wait 3-6 months.

damian · « **Reply #39 on:** February 20, 2014, 11:27:06 AM »

Matt. Is there any way to prove that? I think you are desperately expecting too much. I hope that I'm wrong.

emasculated · « **Reply #40 on:** February 20, 2014, 11:58:57 AM »

I hope everyone on here who tries this treatment will be as kind and forthcoming with information as incautious.

MattFoley · « **Reply #41 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:03:37 PM »

damian, I can only go by what others have said about their experience with the P-Shot and what Dr. Runels has explained and what he has seen happen with both Peyronie's and non-Peyronie's patients.

james1947 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:07:18 PM »

Why not just wait for incautious new picture at 26 or 27 of this month?
The results will be clear than, so for what all the speculations?

James

MIKEHAWK · « **Reply #43 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:50:51 PM »

my penis is straighten out and back to it's original size.I don't think PRP shot enlarge the penis but it does give back your original size, i measured the girth since i was a teenager, and i'm back to my teenage size.

The Chinese does one thing different with their shots though, they use Super Oxide dimutase to speed up the recovery process. Super Oxide Dimutase also needs to be injected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

Formulations of superoxide dismutase are also reported to be effective in Peyronie's disease.[24]

It's been noted in wikipedia, with the source linked.

Also one thing they told me to do while i was in China is to eat Papaya Fruit 3 times a week during the recovery, Take out the seeds of the Papaya and mix it with honey and drink it down with the papaya seed. I have no idea why i was told to do this.

MIKEHAWK · « **Reply #44 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:54:00 PM »

Papaya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meat tenderizing[edit]
Both green papaya fruit and the tree's latex are rich in papain, a protease used for tenderizing meat and other proteins. Its ability to break down tough meat fibers was used for thousands of years by indigenous Americans. It is now included as a component in powdered meat tenderizers.

woops meant to post this.

Probably why it actually helped, it did feel a lot less rigid, those Chinese are pretty smart.
To clarify the necessity of the post, Papaya was given to MIKEHAWK after the shots - James

MIKEHAWK · « **Reply #45 on:** February 20, 2014, 04:04:51 PM »

I think it made a huge difference during the recovery process while eating it after the PRP shots.

it looks a lot smoother too, there were hard like dents around my penis that are completely gone now.

MIKEHAWK · « **Reply #46 on:** February 20, 2014, 04:10:41 PM »

I'm also trying to convince doctors to do the PRP shot in the Bulbospongiosus, the muscle that closes off the blood flow causing an erection,

Male Pelvic Floor: Advanced Massage and Bodywork

"Contraction of the bulbospongiosus muscle blocks blood from escaping by pressing on the deep dorsal vein of the penis." [2]. When weak, these muscles cannot effectively inhibit this outflow, resulting in partial or total flaccidity, or Erectile Dysfunction. "

I thought that because of how important it is for men to have morning erections to keep the penis flexible. this muscle is probably pretty important in preventing Peyronies. I'm going to try to get an injection for this muscle group next, once i can convince someone to give me a shot. As my morning erections have been getting weaker as i age.

A Highly Scientific, Medically Detailed Discussion of Why Men Get Morning Wood

It's now understood that morning erections are important, but the problem is mine is getting pretty weak which probably lowered the flexibility of the penile tissue.

emasculated · « **Reply #47 on:** February 20, 2014, 04:43:49 PM »

MIKEHAWK: Did they also tell you to do VED after the injections or have you not done VED therapy?
It is correct what you write about superoxide dismutase, there is some data there in connection with Peyronies Disease. I have read about this.

MIKEHAWK · « **Reply #48 on:** February 20, 2014, 04:46:01 PM »

VED was done but not much, it was just used to get regular blood flow towards the penis, someone who gets regular night erections won't even need it.

james1947 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 20, 2014, 05:01:47 PM »

MIKEHAWK

Where in China you have done the PRP and how much you pay for it?

James

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