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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2020, 10:31:32 AM »

For the oil part :
i read many articles it seems that, for mixing with essential oils(of course choose organics , first mechanics extraction, virgin oils ) :

1) the chestnut oil is one of the most penetrating  oil into the dermis and hypodermis
(so for muscular et joint massage ) a downside quite easily oxydable and not convenient for people subjects
to allergies with nuts

2) Macadamia is good also for dermis penetration but very oxydable,expensive, same worry about allergia

3) Jojoba is a good compromise , quite well penetrating dermis and not oxydable( 10 years ! lifespan)

4) Arnica's Macerate is quite good but depend on the base oil quality (sunflower) dangerous by oral
intake( cadiac worries , so long term effects for massages ?)

5) Aleurites triloba ou Aleurites moluccana (KUKUI) very penetrating but very oxydable (worry from allergy ?, Euphorbia family plant)

6) Camelina sativa (camelina) very penetrating and oxydable(so should be mixed with jojoba wax for example)

7) Argan oil : quite good for penetrating (plus has E. Vitamine ) but expensive

8) Grape seed oil (Vit E & polyphenols (OPC) ) easyly oxydable affordable well penetrating .

9) Castor oil (not from animal but seeds ^^ ) : is toxic by oral intake , so long term use with dmso?   

hoping it will help
 
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« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2020, 07:42:07 AM »

sinvanio, I’m personally gonna start DMSO + Aloe Vera treatment as soon as the delivery comes, I’m gonna apply Magnesium Oil first then apply DMSO + Aloe immediately afterwards, this combo comes on 2-3 times a day.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #102 on: January 17, 2020, 09:09:45 AM »

sinvanio, I’m personally gonna start DMSO + Aloe Vera treatment as soon as the delivery comes, I’m gonna apply Magnesium Oil first then apply DMSO + Aloe immediately afterwards, this combo comes on 2-3 times a day.
hello, i am thinking about that kind  of protocole , because easier, in a first time, i guess your dmso+aloe is the one on Amazon, with rose scent , did you check the composition for the rose scent etc?
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #103 on: January 17, 2020, 11:12:30 AM »

Mine does not have rose scent, feels like it would be trashy chemicals in that rose scent.
Mine is 99 pure DMSO mixed out with Aloe Vera, then I’ll be buying Magnesium Oil on top of that.
Treatment will start within a week. I’m having high hopes for this, man, it’s crazy.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2020, 01:53:07 PM »

I agree the protocols I present on page 1 need some preparation, several ingredients and stuff like a mixer, several brown glasses etc. Takes me 5-10 minutes to create a mix these days but it got very messy when I did the first few..

I’m gonna apply Magnesium Oil first then apply DMSO + Aloe immediately afterwards, this combo comes on 2-3 times a day.
That's a good idea with the supplements you have available.
Another one you should try is buying pure Ascorbic Acid(vitamin c) powder which is very cheap. It's available in every grocery store, at least in Germany for ~5€, but should also be on amazon or in a local pharmacy. Ascorbic Acid, IMO, should be a staple during every stage of peyronies. It's almost impossible for it to hurt while having a lot of good properties(written prior about it).

-You take a cup of clean water. I use tapwater and boil it once(then let it cool) but if you have bad tapwater quality you might buy distilled water.
-Then you fill that cup with some spoons of Ascorbic acid and stir it until the powder is dissolved. You add powder until the water is saturated(= more powder added doesn't dissolve anymore).
-Then you cover your penis or the plaque area with it and put the DMSO+Aloe creme over it. That's obviously a bit messy but still could do the trick to transport some Vitamin C directly to the area. 1-3 times a day or more.
Be aware that Vitamin C once dissolved in water will only stay stable for 1-2 weeks.(it will turn orange over time)

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I’m having high hopes for this, man, it’s crazy.
I hope for the best and if that dmso+aloe mix is able to transport some of the magnesium and/or vitamin c to the area you should see some improvement within days or weeks.
Observe the skin and cut applications back if it gets redness and apply some lotion.

But as I said often it's not a one trick pony and you might have to do more like traction etc. later.
I also have no personal experience with the DMSO+Aloe mixes. But theoretically it should/can work.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2020, 10:57:12 PM »

Alright guys, you know what to do..
Apply transdermals daily. Observe. Be smart. Adjust.
Once inflammation is down stretch the tissue(help with heat to soften the tissue for easier stretch) as often as possible in a smart way(ease into everything) without creating any new problems/injury.   
Keep applying transdermals(especially ascorbic acid/Vitamin C). Takes many weeks/months. I've written in detail how to do it.
I think I have not much to add. If you learned something and gotten better thanks to my advice, help other people too!
I have a stronger better, bigger penis than before. Got basically rid of the rest of my plaques now. Can't feel them anymore. 3 months of daily stretching/VED and up to hourly DMSO+X application. My mission is done here. Will answer to PM's if I can.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #106 on: January 28, 2020, 12:49:52 AM »

Thanks Melting!
I agree that getting to the plaque itself is something we need to try to do.  Oral medications are good but affect the whole body as well.  Sometimes in a good way and sometimes not, but I really want to learn how to get to the plaque using DMSO, so I will read up and all you and the others said here.

Mainly trying to find the right effective mix that holds together well, and contains the right things that can help soften the plaque so I can stretch it out more AND\OR help to break up\reduce the plaque.
So far I have seen the most basic and cheap mix would be: Just some DMSO, Water and Ascorbic Acid(Vit C) will soften your plaque for $3.50 or so.
I take it that would be too runny so have to mix other things to hold it together eh.
Then add more things ... I have some reading to do.

Melting, in your opinion, what is an effective DMSO mix, holds together without running, that gets into the plaque and softens\breaks it up\reduces it?

Thanks Melting and all who posted ideas for DMSO mixes here.
Peace and Respect to you all.
Tom
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2020, 03:14:05 AM »

Thanks for the post. It gives much hope and confidence. I have been practicing traction with castor oil and hot shower. Now I am gonna try your protocol. But  I just want to make sure that HEAT doesn't affect my sperm production.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2020, 01:24:57 PM »

I want to try this but I also don’t want to do all the work ... does anyone in the US make this and is willing to sell it?
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2020, 01:35:29 PM »

Please keep us updated. This is very interesting. Let us know all the perks. (effects on pain, inflammation, curvature, flaccid hang) leave no details!
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #110 on: February 02, 2020, 02:53:30 PM »

Tom_E
Thanks Melting!
So far I have seen the most basic and cheap mix would be: Just some DMSO, Water and Ascorbic Acid(Vit C) will soften your plaque for $3.50 or so.
I take it that would be too runny so have to mix other things to hold it together eh.
Then add more things ... I have some reading to do.
Yes, most basic and very cheap(I buy 10€ DMSO on amazon germany)mix. Easy to mix and harmless if done smart.(no plastic and poison nearby). It being "runny" just means you have to hold your penis horizontal, for some minutes, so it stays where you want it. You can add some drops of healthy oil, e.g castor oil, and shake it like crazy before application to get a temporary mix.
Adding emulsifiers is just making the application easier to apply(I paint penis with it and walk around, brush teeth or sit on a clean white towel) but makes production more complicated.
Still I create a mix in 5 minutes with household items in my kitchen WHILE being aware to not put DMSO in combination with harmful plastics and other stuff it reacts with and I don't want in my body.
Melting, in your opinion, what is an effective DMSO mix, holds together without running, that gets into the plaque and softens\breaks it up\reduces it?
I described on the last 2 pages. I don't have the means to make exact measurements of the ingredients. Every batch I make is a bit different. I add a bit of emulsifiers as explained and if it's not thick enough I add some more..
I have no worries cause all ingredients, explained in this thread, are harmless, imo. If someone still does mix DMSO with something harmful after I mentioned it 100 times and all the dangers are explained here and on page 1 of google it's their own damn fault ;)


Agaig
I have been practicing traction with castor oil and hot shower. Now I am gonna try your protocol. But  I just want to make sure that HEAT doesn't affect my sperm production.
Heat can only affect sperm production temporarily and if done for a long time. Don't worry about hot water.(dont burn OBVIOUSLY) Traction with heat good. castor oil good but if plaque deep in penis won't get there without DMSO.


diehardpatriot (AMERICA IS THE BEST! EU style of government SUCKS!)

I want to try this but I also don’t want to do all the work ... does anyone in the US make this and is willing to sell it?
lol. There were 2-3 guys(idk who) in the US who had pharmacies make DMSO mixtures. You can ask around..
Sending DIY DMSO mixes around could be problematic but Idk.

Let us know all the perks. (effects on pain, inflammation, curvature, flaccid hang) leave no details!
I already did for the most part in this thread and through my posts. DMSO is a very known substance which you can find a lot about on google. In regards to the penis a lot is found here and other mens forums and some penis enlargement forums toyed with it..

In any case it would be great if someone who has the means to create highly controlled DMSO+X substances would do that(pharmacologists, chemists step up!). I'm sure some American will do it sooner or later if the theme is kept up.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2020, 11:43:21 PM »

Thanks Melting.  I appreciate the details you gave and yes you are correct, you put a lot of details in the thread already and thanks for that.  Kudos to your for giving back to us what you have learned.  I have tried various things over the last couple months and at this point the next logical step is to somehow get to and into the plaque. Sometimes I feel panic and just want an answer right away hehe.  So I took a deep breath and read the entire thread and other threads on the subject and you provided a lot of good stuff here my friend!  I will try different preparations of the DMSO+ Mix and write down detail procedures as well as I like to follow step by step instructions, especially when I feel stressed. 

The first few days I will make sure the DMSO is not heavily prominent in the mix and then in following days will increase its amount, of course never using 100% DMSO, and to always put some castor oil on during or right after.

Here is my first rough draft of step by step instructions for using DMSO+Mix:

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DMSO can carry a lot of chemicals right through the skin so cleanliness is a top priority.
Take BEFORE measurements of plaque size\feel as well as all the usuall Penis measurements.

METHOD DAY 1:
Early in the day:
Clean a glass container with clean water.
Clean your penis with clean water.

In a clean class container:
Mix 1 tablespoon of distilled water, 2 tablespoons pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Put penis on flat level surface.
Rub mixture on the skin where you feel the plaque.
Leave on for 15 min.
Rinse with clean water.
Apply 1 tablespoon of castor oil to same skin area.
Put on clean underwear.

Later in the day: (perhaps a couple hours later or when you have time)
Repeat above procedure.

METHOD DAY 2:
If no bad reaction from yesterday, then early in the day:
Clean a glass container with clean water.
Clean your penis with clean water.

In a clean class container:
Mix 0.5 tablespoon distilled water, 2 tablespoons pure DMSO
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Put penis on flat level surface.
Rub mixture on the skin where you feel the plaque.
Leave on for 20 min.
Rinse with clean water.
Apply 1 tablespoon of castor oil to same skin area.
Put on clean underwear.

Later in the day: (perhaps a couple hours later or when you have time)
Repeat above procedure.

METHOD DAY 3:
If no bad reaction from yesterday, then early in the day:
Clean a glass container with clean water.
Clean your penis with clean water.

In a clean class container:
Add 2 tablespoons of pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Put penis on flat level surface.
Rub mixture on the skin where you feel the plaque.
Leave on for 20 min.
Rinse with clean water.
Apply 1 tablespoon of castor oil to same skin area.
Put on clean underwear.

Later in the day: (perhaps a couple hours later or when you have time)
Repeat above procedure.

METHOD DAY 4:
If no bad reaction from yesterday, then early in the day:
Clean a glass container with clean water.
Clean your penis with clean water.

In a clean class container:
Add 2 tablespoons of pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Put penis on flat level surface.
Rub mixture on the skin where you feel the plaque.
Leave on for 20 min.
Rinse with clean water.
Apply 1 tablespoon of castor oil to same skin area.
Put on clean underwear.

Repeat this procedure 2 more times during the day.


METHOD DAY 5:
If no bad reaction from yesterday, then early in the day:
Clean a glass container with clean water.
Clean your penis with clean water.

In a clean class container:
Add 2 tablespoons of pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Put penis on flat level surface.
Rub mixture on the skin where you feel the plaque.
Leave on for 20 min.
Rinse with clean water.
Apply 1 tablespoon of castor oil to same skin area.
Put on clean underwear.

Repeat this procedure 3 more times during the day.

METHOD DAY 6:
Take AFTER measurements of plaque size\feel as well as all the usuall Penis measurements.
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Please comment and let me know how you feel about this procedure if you feel I should change something.
What I am unsure of is how long do I leave the DMSO+Mix on the skin?

The procedure I put above slowly adds more DMSO and less water to the mix until there is only pure DMSO and pure ascorbic acid powder.
Please let me know if any of you feel this would be too strong a mix?  I think the ascorbic acid powder will dilute the DMSO just fine but I will make note of how my skin looks and feels later.

Please note that the skin may get irritated and may peel off a bit.  Then you may need a less heavy DMSO mix or leave on the caster oil longer or to take a break for awhile...etc.

Any input is welcomed! :)

I will try this method starting tomorrow and then post my results now and then to let you know how it is all going.
Cheers fellow warriors!

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« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2020, 02:20:56 PM »

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a deep breath and read the entire thread
lol. It's a lot and sometimes I write too much. That's one thing that could be done better in a new thread by me or someone like you to break it down more clear and more straight point by point. It's really easy once the basics are understood and one has prepared and applied a mix for 2-3 weeks. I'm glad for some feedback to maybe perfect the presentation.

The first few days I will make sure the DMSO is not heavily prominent in the mix and then in following days will increase its amount, of course never using 100% DMSO, and to always put some castor oil on during or right after.
This is VERY smart! You can start with even more dilution and slower progression than you laid out below.

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Mix 1 tablespoon of distilled water, 2 tablespoons pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste.
Wait until the heat reaction of water and DMSO is gone(~5minutes).(I fear the heat reaction could destroy vitamin C if added same moment). Don't use metals or plastics to mix DMSO. Clean Wood, glass or ceramic is ok.
1.I mix first water with DMSO(heat reaction). (in 1 glass)
2.Then I mix ascorbic acid with water. (in another glass)
3.Then I mix both together. (Sometimes I then add some more ascorbic acid to fully saturate the mix.)
So if you have an existing batch/mix, You add 3. to the existing batch.
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Rub mixture on the (penis) skin
Try it on your hands first. If it burns add a lotion/castor oil and dilute concentration on skin with that, and not water.
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Rinse with clean water.
You can do that if there was no burning feeling at all. You can also instead rub in what remained with a bit castor oil.(oil is sticky and ascorbic acid can discolor, so don't wear expensive underwear).
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Leave on for 20 min.
Ok but the DMSO will be gone within 5-15 minutes and anything that sits still on the skin is probably not going very deep.
I just apply lotion/oil over it to rub the remains into the skin and then go about my day. If I have time I apply a mix, put thin oil over it, then 15 minutes later I put a new DMSO mix on the skin and again thin oil/lotion over it, repeat. I basically made sure the penis is flooded with the ingredients. Of course don't do that right away, only after some days/weeks. Did that often with no harm at all, (especially the new mixes with the emulsifiers).
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METHOD DAY 3:
Add 2 tablespoons of pure DMSO.
Add pure ascorbic acid powder until it turns into a thin paste
Ok you add that to mix you did the prior day? Then OK.
Always add some water to the dmso before adding the ascorbic acid. Could be 1 part water 9 parts DMSO.

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What I am unsure of is how long do I leave the DMSO+Mix on the skin?
The procedure I put above slowly adds more DMSO and less water to the mix until there is only pure DMSO and pure ascorbic acid powder.
Please let me know if any of you feel this would be too strong a mix?
Ok I think I answered that above. No pure DMSO cause DMSO will always react with water and skin is full of water. So it needs to always be diluted with water. At least 5 parts water to 95 parts DMSO.

Always be careful. But consider this: Race horses who are worth millions more than we ;)lol, are rubbed/splashed with DMSO in barn's since decades. The highest risk are chemicals like cleaning materials or harmful plastics etc.

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Take AFTER measurements of plaque size\feel as well as all the usuall Penis measurements.
I noticed an impact on the feel often within days. Application as often as possible is the key. At least 1-2 times daily. Imagine(!) throwing the plaque into a bottle of DMSO+Ascorbic acid 24/7,..
Note that my personal biggest progression, I made in combining this treatment with traction and VED. Note that one should be careful/refrain with traction and VED if you are in pain or in acute inflammation.(in that case bring that down first until carefully introducing traction/VED).
Also don't stop any other oral treatments/medications. Especially with VitaminC/ascorbic-acid there's not much danger at all for any over dosage or contraindications.

Any more questions I happily answer.
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« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2020, 10:12:11 PM »

Oh OK I see. Hey thanks Melting! for your input and helping me tweak the formula\method some more.  It's great to have a Forum like this to share thoughts and help each other come up with new ways to treat this situation.  Ok I'm off to mix me up some DMSO+Mix Version 1!
I'll post how it goes throughout the week. 

Cheers!
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2020, 03:20:20 AM »

What do you think aboug Lugol's solution (iodine) mixed with DMSO?

1 drop = 1.0000mcg

https://www.drlowe.com/thyroidscience/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2020, 12:50:47 AM »

I made this account so I could make this post.
In order to fix peyroine we must eliminate inflamation and fibrin in early stages and reverse calification in later stages. We should have a post about "x"s, their benefits, studies and ranked.
Note: Chronic(late) mixers will mostly all help in early phases since they remove the progression of the scar, calcium and plaque.

Acute(early) Phase
Goals: Lower inflammation, reduce pain, soften and remodel tissue

1.Verapil Tropical: Proven and Medically Used to prevent calcium deposits, scar and fibrin deposits.

2.Caster oil: Evidence and used as Caster oil packs to lower inflammation, softens tissue and reduces pain
https://exercisesforinjuries.com/castor-oil-inflammation-myth/

3.Emu oil: Proven to reduce inflamation, possibly reduces pain, possibly softens tissue.( need more info on emu oil vs caster oil)
https://healthyfocus.org/emu-oil-benefits/

4.Potaba:(Paba): Prevents scar formation and reduces fibriods. I placed it in acute because study did not specifiy how long the patients had peyronie for.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4857830/

5.Geranium oil: Reduces inflammation
https://journal-inflammation.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-9255-2-1

6.Alo vera:Known to reduce pain and improve healing(provide a link im tired)

7.Methyl salicylate: Prevents inflammation
"However, in the body it metabolizes into salicylates, including salicylic acid, a known NSAID
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)"

8.Boron: Might prevent scar formation
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1385/BTER:85:1:23

9.Vitamin E: Frankly USELESS, studies where some inflammation is REDUCED have done so with ORAL Vitamin E. Studies on scars post trauma with TROPICAL Vitamin E show no improvement. Some show slightly worse healing and this has also mentioned in another artical. Forgot to mention that the only use Vitamin E could have is clearing out free radicals after we have found another mix to consistently remove calcification.
https://www.the-dermatologist.com/article/8065

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10417589/

10. Hydrocortisone?: Cream used to reduce inflammation and allergic reactions. Not sure if its safe to use since I was told it thins the skin. Feedback Appreciated

Chronic to stable phase:
Goals: Reverse/prevent calification, soften tissue, reduce scar tissue

1.Magnisium (MgSO4/Epsom Salts or
 Magnesium chloride): Proven to reduce and prevent calification, and soften tissue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2133625

https://drsircus.com/magnesium/calcification-and-its-treatment-with-magnesium-and-sodium-thiosulfate/

2.Vitamin C(Acsorbic Acid): The user "melting" has talked extensively on this. Prevents Scar tissue formation, Softens tissue, Possibly reverses calification.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673383/

3.Vitamin K(k2): Possibly reverses Calification
https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2017/06/23/Vitamin-K2-may-reverse-calcification-of-blood-vessels-in-people-with-kidney-disease

4.Iodine(Mainly "Lugol's Iodine"/SSKI):Promotes correct healing, very slowly reduces scar tissue( when applied twice a day for about a year directly on/into scar) Possibly Anti-Inflammatory.
https://www.icnr.com/articles/wondersofiodine.html/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3754371/

5.Natriumthiosulfat Na2S2O3 pharmaceutic:
Reverses calification as the user "melting" pointed out.
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"Furthermore, the enhanced aqueous solubility of calcium thiosulfate allows for successful mobilization and clearance of the vascular and soft tissue calcium deposits"
Link from the user "melting": https://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/1/6/1161

6.EDTA Chelation: WARNING THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AND IS PURE SPECULATION. I found out about EDTA being a possible solution when I clicked a link and it brought me to a gu trying to sell a book on peyronie having it as a possible treatment. EDTA supposely sticks to metals and like calcium and removes them from the body. It has been used in plaque arteries and on eyes with calcium deposits.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/expert-answers/chelation-therapy/faq-20157449

https://www.nature.com/articles/eye2017264
Book I mentioned: https://peyroniesdiseasehelp.com/

Feedback wanted:That took forever well good luck experimenting and pls give me links. Also curious about that hydrocortisone one and a link for alo vera

Side note: Going to see an urologist soon and ask for pentox, cialis, and verapil shorts or verapil ionthesis or verapil/pentox/dmso cream made in a compound pharmacy. Got the idea from that old post. Am I fogetting anything or is there anyting else I should ask? :)
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2020, 07:05:28 AM »

I made this account so I could make this post.
In order to fix peyroine we must eliminate inflamation and fibrin in early stages and reverse calification in later stages. We should have a post about "x"s, their benefits, studies and ranked.


You got it! Thanks for this great addition to this thread! Everyone reading, please share if you have anything to add. Also inform others if you saw results outside of this thread.

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9.Vitamin E: Frankly USELESS, studies where some inflammation is REDUCED have done so with ORAL Vitamin E. Studies on scars post trauma with TROPICAL Vitamin E show no improvement. Some show slightly worse healing and this has also mentioned in another artical.
https://www.the-dermatologist.com/article/8065
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10417589/


A lot of inconclusive stuff.. true..The sole use of V-E to combat Peyronies Disease is a water drop on a hot stone..
That said it can work together with vitamin C and other supplements,.. there are some combination effects. I often add some drops of vitamin E into DMSO+X+X solutions. Don't see it hurting.

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10. Hydrocortisone?: Cream used to reduce inflammation and allergic reactions. Not sure if its safe to use since I was told it thins the skin. Feedback Appreciated

Yeah there's often problems with regular use. But I can see using in a protocol from time to time..
As said often.. cycling through several supplements daily/weekly/monthly might make sense..



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5.Natriumthiosulfat Na2S2O3 pharmaceutic:
Reverses calification as the user "melting" pointed out.
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"Furthermore, the enhanced aqueous solubility of calcium thiosulfate allows for successful mobilization and clearance of the vascular and soft tissue calcium deposits"

Would like a link from melting, not sure if this has been done
For example here:
https://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/1/6/1161
There are several more references when you search google for the words.


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6.EDTA Chelation: WARNING THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE AND IS PURE SPECULATION. I found out about EDTA being a possible solution when I clicked a link and it brought me to a gu trying to sell a book on peyronie having it as a possible treatment. EDTA supposely sticks to metals and like calcium and removes them from the body. It has been used in plaque arteries and on eyes with calcium deposits.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/expert-answers/chelation-therapy/faq-20157449
https://www.nature.com/articles/eye2017264
Book I mentioned: https://peyroniesdiseasehelp.com/
Good idea! EDTA..
The guy who wrote the book did his homework. Basically a lot what you can find for free here.. but probably missing a lot too.

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Feedback wanted:That took forever well good luck experimenting and pls give me links. Also curious about that hydrocortisone one and a link for alo vera


Well, good work and thx for keeping the thread alive.
The DIY nature of all of this will prevent a lot of people from doing it, sadly. 

You distinction between active and settled phase is good. But consider that a lot of the settled phase supplements could be very effective during active phase too. I would use Vitamin C in active phase also. Just put more emphasis on the active phase supplements in active phase and a bit less in settled phase and vice versa.

Aloe is just overall a good supplement which combines nicely with other supplements. If you have a sunburn or any other skin inflammation and add aloe you will notice it's great effects immediately.

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Side note: Going to see an urologist soon and ask for pentox, cialis, and verapil shorts or verapil ionthesis or verapil/pentox/dmso cream made in a compound pharmacy.


Great idea! Just using DMSO+X alone is not enough. Need to be healthy, good food, oral supplements and stretching/expanding the tissue with extenders, VED and manual exercise..(as described on the forum)


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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #117 on: February 28, 2020, 07:10:06 AM »

What do you think aboug Lugol's solution (iodine) mixed with DMSO?

1 drop = 1.0000mcg

https://www.drlowe.com/thyroidscience/cases/Derry.Iodine.Regen.6.7.08.pdf
Yes, possible. Iodine, lugols,.. nascent iodine.. always try on arm first.
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« Reply #118 on: March 04, 2020, 03:15:25 AM »

Someone made another post about this but its something ive thought about. How about combining dmso with commonly used scar gels. Like Silicone Gel, Allantoin, and others.
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« Reply #119 on: March 04, 2020, 09:17:33 AM »

How about combining dmso with commonly used scar gels.
Great idea. One has to identify the ingredients and then check what their molecular weight is.
Most of these scar gels work on superficial scars. DMSO possibly could transport ingredients deeper.

Silicone Gel is, as I understand, basically forms of silica which has a low molecular weight of 60.08 g/mol

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Silicon is present everywhere in the body. In bones, cartilage, hair, blood vessels, skin, teeth, tendons, nails. Silicon is abundant in babies when they are just born. When we are born our body has a large supply of silicon and low calcium. Generally the body is full of youth when there is more silicon in relation to calcium present. Many studies have shown that the ratio of silicon to calcium is a biological indicator of youth.
Very interesting. Peyronies fibroids are often having a lot of calcium to patch up an injury. I guess it's possible that if silica was instead available/used we could have better flexibility in the injured/inflammed area than with the "hard" calcium deposits. 

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Silica is an essential element in collagen synthesis. A deficiency could significantly inhibit collagen production, resulting in a loss of elasticity and flexibility in the body’s cells and increasing the likelihood of fine lines and wrinkles, as well as brittle hair and nails and joint-related problems
 

Sounds like a truly great addition to any DMSO+X protocol.
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Silica also creates bonds between the protein molecule that are responsible for the skin’s natural ability to retain water, which is critical for repair and cell renewal
 
One can imagine this is missing from peyronies plaques which are very dense and rather "lifeless".

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Silica is only slightly soluble in water.
BIG PROBLEM! Apparently it has to react with something else first.
https://www.quora.com/Which-solvent-can-dissolve-silica-or-SiO%E2%82%82
This also obviously(!), like always, means any mix with DMSO + Silica has to be first tested how it reacts with skin.
This is surely worth researching deeper on how one could mix Silica with DMSO. Maybe DMSO just mixed with an already existing gel. 
If someone does, please report here.
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #120 on: March 10, 2020, 11:50:19 AM »

Hey all,

Just signed up to the site after browsing for a while.

The DMSO mixture could be mixed with nigella sativa oil as it shows anti-fibrotic and anti-inflammatory effects.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5987441/

I will be trying a mixture of DMSO (70% w/ 30% aloe vera), nigella sativa oil (black seed oil - approx 6.9% thymoquinone - its also a carrier oil which will help penetrate the skin layers), pomegranate oil (anti-inflammatory) pumpkin seed oil (aids fibrosis) and ajwa date seed powder (anti-fibrotic)

Green tea and black ginger powder could also be a good combo in the mixture (natural PDE5i')

Hope this also helps my hard flaccid and the reductions of size in my glans :).
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2020, 08:48:39 AM »

Hey all,
 
Thanks for the post. Very well presented.
I wouldn't use it all at once in one application. The more you mix in the more interactions and less the DMSO will pull transdermaly. Interactions often increase the molecular weight and it wont go deep.
Try to mix only 1 active substance with DMSO.

There's a suprisingly good amount of research into essential oils and they might be effective with DMSO to go deep into the peyronies sites.
thymoquinone = molecular weight 164,20 g/mol
Very good!
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Re: DMSO+X Revisited 2019
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2020, 01:15:10 PM »

Has anyone came up with a solid solution?? When you guys do please post it. I know everyone’s just experimenting right now.
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« Reply #123 on: March 26, 2020, 03:41:51 PM »

DMSO is pretty much just doing what one believes may work for them.  Only evidence so far is a guy or two on here who report improvements in wasting/narrowing of penis.
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« Reply #124 on: Yesterday at 07:13:20 PM »

Oh Tony again at it trying to dismiss the success of other people. 
You're a bitter person. 
Still promoting people in active stage/inflammed to use VED and traction? DANGEROUS!
 
Tony's mission is to make everyone get their dicks chopped up and wear implants like him. Sick person.   


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« Reply #125 on: Yesterday at 09:09:41 PM »

Oh my gosh, total projection (look it up)!
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