VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Tim468]

Good advice CBF.

Standing to get started and then lying down later helps too. Starting while in bed can make it harder to get it started as well.

Tim

[cowboyfood]

All,

I thought I'd pass along some observations I made during the first six months of VED usage with regards to the A tube because some members/guests may experience some difficulty using this tube because of its narrow diameter.

First, make sure you have sufficient lubrication. 

Second, press the pressure release button while you place your penis inside the VED.

Finally, (and best practice for good stretches IMO), do not remove the VED from your penis after finishing a "cycle."  In other words, start with your first cycle; when you're done pumping and holding for that cycle, release the negative pressure but do not remove the VED from your penis; let your penis relax in the VED for a bit, then proceed with the second cycle.

I hope this is understandable.  I noticed when I removed the VED after a cycle, my penis would only get stretched about three-fourths of the way.  But, when I do not remove the VED, I can usually get great stretches.

Any additional observations from others would be appreciated.

CF

[Old Man]

olddog:

I have asked the Fitzz company about them selling their mailing lists where the customer shows their email addresses when placing an order.

Their answer from their president is that they never do that, but have had this happen in the past. Seems like some hacker tapped into their resources and "stole" the addresses, etc. This may have happened again. So, you might want to report this to the Fitzz company by email or phone.

Old Man

[olddog]

Folks ...

Can't prove it to 100%, but after purchasing a (very satisfactory and high quality) Augusta Medical VED from Fitzz I've received a very large increase in erectile-dysfunction-related email spam.  There's a good chance they sell their customer lists.

The easy way to defeat this is to get an throw-away email from Google or Hotmail for the purchase period or for similar junkmail uses.

OD

[bart15]

Hello Everyone,

I would like to start off by stating that I have been posting in various threads about my condition. To get this thread up to speed with my course of action; my uro prescribed pentox, L-arg, and a VED...for which I am supposed to go in for "training" on how to use it at the beginning of the new year (Also when I am supposed to purchase it). I also bought balanced vitamin E. Based on these posts, I will be hesistant to buy a VED from the uro unless it is a 3 cylinder model, and I will likely resort to purchasing that Vitality Plus 3 cylinder model anyways.

One of the major things I wanted to ask, which I will post a duplicate of in the traction device forum, is whether anyone has ever considered attempting a treatment regiment consisting of concomitant use of a VED with a traction device? Reading the previous posts, everyone seems to suggest that less is more and that one needs to be careful with how much stress one puts on their member, and that duplicating treatments at the same time may not tell you which one is actually providing results, but if one approaches such a "double" regimen conservatively could it not be beneficial? I am 23, I have a downwards curve of about 60-70 degrees and a leftwards curve of about 15-20 degrees. The troubling part for me is that I cannot really feel a plaque, and neither could the uro, so unless the plaque is internally located then I may have a congenital curvature (And honestly I am no expert but it almost does look like the left corpora is bending the whole penis because it is possibly shorter). So in my case, a traction device would seem more of a plausible treatment approach, but with the uro's suggestion and many positive results on this forum, I have been considering the VED as well. That's why I am wondering, if I am to invest a lot of time (And money) into trying to treat this, then I really want to approach things fairly aggressively, and when I say aggressive not to the point where I cause trauma myself. There is almost that depressing belief that if nothing has changed after 6 months, then not only has time and money been wasted, but where has it lead one to? Although I am not afraid of surgery, I do not want 6 months of using one treatment as an almost deciding factor on whether I go for surgery or not.

What are peoples' opinions of this combinatorial approach? Although there are seemingly no studies detailing the effectiveness of either physical therapy, except maybe those FastSize studies and quite possibly some SizeGenetics studies in Europe, can people provide an objective, rather than biased subjective opinion? Being a VED thread, I would hope people do not jump to the conclusion of preferring one treatment over the other. Thanks a lot guys,

Bart   

[cowboyfood]

Is their a good thread to read up on the best way to use the V in my treatment? 

Yep, read the "oral treatments" thread, or just search w/ keyword "viagra", and I suggest an advanced search that specifies a member name, in particular Tim468, Hawk, or George999.

I started using 25 mg (a 100 mg pill cut into four pieces using a pill cutter bought from CVS) each night right before going to bed.

Now, I am using 25mg Viagra every other night.

Any further discussions on Viagra should be moved to the oral treatments board.

CF

[Old Man]

Jack:

You should get an answer from the guys that are using Viagra in the mix with the VED treatment. It did nothing for me since I had a radical prostatectomy way back in 1995. It left me totally out of the picture sexually due to a non nerve sparing surgery. Today, with the robotic surgery, nerves are more likely to be spared, but then they were mostly removed to get all the cancer.

I am sure that you will be getting all kinds of recommendations about using Viagra though. For those who it works for are really enjoying their newfound source of sexual activity. However, one should follow the prescribed dosages and not use more than is necessary to produce the desired results.

The above is just my take on using any ED pills. All three of them can and will produce good results, they all just have different side effects.

Old Man

[parajack]

Thanks CBF and Old Man...  I get what you're saying and I'll stick with the A cylinder.  On another front, I'm now the proud owner of my first Viagra prescription.  Is their a good thread to read up on the best way to use the V in my treatment?  My wife saw the bottle and I caught her eyes lighting up even though she tried to hide it...
Jack

[Old Man]

parajack:

I had written you an answer to your post, but in the meantime, CBF jumped in and answered your question. He has been through the "training period so to speak" with the protocol and knows the ropes now.

Follow his advice and you should soon see your desired results. Patience in getting used to vacuum therapy is really not a piece of cake = it takes dedication and perseverance to learn how to properly do the exercises. So, take your time, use the proper procedure using plenty of lube especially when using the small A cylinder.

The A cylinder as CBF states is one of the most important steps in the VED therapy. It sort of trains ones penis to be pulled lengthwise as much as possible to exert the most stretching as possible in that direction. The B and C cylinders allows the penis to be stretched lengthwise and in girth.

Hopefully his post and this one will help you get started on the right path. Let us know if there is anything else we can help with for you.

Old Man

[cowboyfood]

parajack,

The VED's "A" tube frustrated me too.  But, Old Man has always encouraged its use despite the tube's constraints.  However, I believe use of the A tube has its benefit, despite the fact that it does not engorged the penis to the size of a natural erection in some cases, like myself.

The way Old Man explained it to me, and from what I could tell myself, the "A" tube is stretching the penis lengthwise in a way no natural erection can stretch the penis.

I completed my first protocol several weeks ago, and I am now into my second protocol.  I found that after a lot of practice (months), I was able to use the "A" tube more effectively than I did in the beginning.  

Never overpump, and just pump until you know its time to stop even though your penis' engorged state is not as large as your natural erection state.  I think you should feel free to use the "B" a few times in place of the "A" tube in order to help you out psychologically.  I know I did this several times.  But, generally, you should follow the protocol to the "letter" (but, some substitutions are fine every now and then, IMO).  

I think it took me about a month to officially start the protocol, after discounting practice and starting and restarting to get it right.

CF

[parajack]

After practicing for a week or so, I'm in my first week of the 26 week protocol, and had a question.  Using cylinder A, I'm having difficulty getting my penis far enough in to make the system work, and it seems like this is not being very effective.  I don't consider myself 'large', but I clearly am not able to get the cylinder anywhere near the base which kind of renders the exercise ineffective.  If I use the B cyclinder, it seems to work quite well, and I can actually feel pressure on the tunica when reasonable pressure is applied.  Should I just sub the B for A weeks, or should I work harder at making the A cylinder work?

Also, as an observation, it seems as though once I've done the VED 'workout', I might actually be able to have a go at intercourse again, as it seems as though things are 'limbered up' enough to where the pain level may be low enough to have at it....  Despite starting the PAV cocktail, without the V early on in the acute stages, I seem to have progressed fairly rapidly, and now have an upward bend of the upper third of 20 deg or so with a hard erection.  My uro mentioned at my last visit that he didn't think an ultrasound would show anything as he thought the condition of the tunica was not calcified or scarred enough to show up....  It will be interesting to see what his opinion is at my next visit in early Jan....

Jack

[Old Man]

Iceman:

There really are no formal studies that I know of anywhere that state the actual results of VED therapy. About all we have to rely on is the experiences of men who have used them and come back on the forum to report their success or failure from the therapy.

Just hope that guys using the VED therapy would realize that their posting either negative or positive about their therapy experience would help others with their decision to use or not to use the VED. We see guys come on the forum, get the help they want and then just disappear as fast as they came on, etc. We need all the experience the forum can get on whatever therapy a person uses, so guys, please post your results.

Now to answer your question about injury to ones penis from using any mechanical device for stretching or exercise: No matter what one is using for their therapy, caution in the amount of vacuum pressure, spring pressure on the traction devices or if they are using physical hand therapy (this can work in some cases if used in moderation) must be used to obtain good results. Overdoing any exercise on ones penis can and will result in further trauma, so be careful in what you do with any therapy for Peyronies Disease.

You are right about the scab example in that it won't stretch, but will probably release itself from the good tissue and maybe cause further damage. However, plaque on the tunica is simply just a part of the tunica and is really not like a scab on an injury elsewhere on the body. Gentle stretching of the tunica and plaque is about the only way to go with exercise for Peyronies Disease. Again, overstretching it most likely result in further trauma.

Therapy for Peyronies Disease is the real question of the century. Since all cases of Peyronies Disease are different is some way, one set rule of thumb for therapy can not be established. What works for one guy may or may not work the next guy. One just has to keep trying whatever they can to see what works for them. I strongly urge all to just try one treatment at a time to establish if it works. Trying more than one at a time will not establish which worked due to the duplication, etc.

Hope the above helps. Let me know if there is any other questions you have.

Old Man

[Tim468]

Iceman, this makes for a good fireside conversation, but it seems to be an insolvable problem or question.

If penis enlargement works (and it may for some), it works by stretching out normal tissue. If we achieve lengthening on our short side by a pongitudinal stretch, it may well happen due to differential stretching of the normal tissue and not a stretching out of the scarred tissue at all. The normal tissue on the short side would still be subject to a greater stretching force because it will be tethered short by the scar.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the penis is straighter and functional. However, anecdotal evidence here of "thinner" plaques, or "dissolving" scar tissue suggests that at least some of the stretching force IS applied to the scar and that it has an effect.

Tim

[Iceman]

anyone - or even oldman - what do you think of this - I found it on a website::

Besides the serious injury that men develop while doing mechanical penis stretching, an even larger basic problem is that these penis enlargement devices can only stretch normal tissue, not scar tissue. Allow me to explain: In Peyronies Disease, the internal Peyronies Disease scar material is connected to and contained within normal tissue inside the penis, similar to having a scab on the skin – but on the inside.

If you stretch skin that has a scab on it, would the scab stretch also because the skin was stretched? No, of course not. The normal skin would stretch, while the scab would remain unchanged. The same thing happens if you try to stretch the Peyronies Disease scar forcefully with a mechanical device.

[cowboyfood]

bd2,

The negative pressure in the "b" and "c" tube expand your girth significantly more than the "a" tube.  The protocol starts out with an emphasis on the "a" and "b" tubes, and finishes with an emphasis on the "c" tube.  So, I doubt that what you proposed is a concern.

CF

[bodoo2u]

Fellas, I'm back after a long absence. I resolved the issue of my leaking VED by buying clear sealer that is suitable for kitchen counters, and other surfaces that will hold food. The water was leaking in the area where the top attaches to the tube. I noticed it leaking when I put water in the tube to clean it

Now I have another issue, albeit a physical one, and don't laugh at me: is it possible for continuous use of the smallest tube to somehow make my penis smaller in diameter? I can be smaller or larger in girth, depending on the stiffness of my erection, but I noticed my penis was more compact  after a VED session with the smallest tube.

Can anyone help me out on this?

[Old Man]

olddog:

You can also assemble the cylinders another way if it would be easier for you. After placing the o ring on the pump, place the large C cylinder onto the pump first. Then mate the A inside the B and slide them into the C that is already onto the pump. Then you can mate the small sizing insert inside the large and push them into the mouth of the large C cylinder.

Another caution note: Be sure that you use plenty of lubricant on your shaft and plenty of lube well up into the small cylinder during the first two weeks of the protocol schedule. Then thereafter use plenty as necessary to cause a good slippery surface on your shaft and inside the cylinders. When using the A small cylinder you want the shaft to be able to be easily pulled up as far as possible into the cylinder without causing any irritation, pain or discomfort. If you experience any of this, you are doing something wrong and should stop pumping until you find out the cause, etc. Special note about lubricant: After you use up the tube of lube that came with the package, you can purchase any good brand of personal lubricant from any local drug store. I use the Equate brand of personal lubricant from Walmart which costs around $2.00 per tube.

Again, give me a private message at any time if you need to. VED therapy should not cause any pain or discomfort to you, so be careful with the vacuum pressure. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more pressure. A consistent daily routine of VED therapy is much better. So, follow the schedule to the letter if at all possible.

Old Man.

[Old Man]

olddog:

Sorry you are having problems with the three cylinder VED. However, it is easy to assemble. You place the large o ring on the pump behind the tabs that stick out from the base,etc. You then take the A small cylinder, place inside the B medium cylinder and then place both inside the C large cylinder. Place the small sizing insert inside the large one and push them into the large open end of the assembled cylinders. Mate up this assy. to the pump by making sure the tabs on the cylinder ends match the tabs on the pump, twist the cylinders clockwise onto the pump and it is assembled. Do not over tighten this which could cause the o ring to be damaged - just tight enough to keep a good tight seal when pumping.

After using the 26 week protocol for the first two weeks, you simply leave out the A small cylinder and so on down the protocol until you reach the large cylinder therapy schedule.

If you have further questions, give me a private message and I will help further.

Old Man

[olddog]

OK, this is embarrassing, but I have an Augusta Medical with the 3 cylinders from Fitzz, and I'm darned if I can see how it goes together for the small cylinders.

Can someone please advise?

Parts are:

1 manual pump with O ring, large diameter, will only mate with the largest cylinder
1 large cylinder, the only one that mates with the actual pump. (Call it "C")
1 medium cylinder ("B")
1 small cylinder ("A")
Two rubber donut-like sizing adapters; one small and one large

As noted, the large cylinder is the only one to actually mate with the pump using an O ring and twist lock, so I'm figuring from that and some comments that to use the smaller cylinders you nest them inside the large one.

But how to do it and retain a vacuum is escaping me.

Neither small cylinder nor medium will mate directly with the pump.

Inserting either medium or small directly in the large won't work ... no seal and it just falls in.  So clearly the two black seals are meant to assist in the nesting.  But ...

1. Using the large rubber donut  in the base of the large "C" tube, then and inserting the medium "B" tube in the donut is a bad force fit ... the "B" cylinder won't slide in easily.  And besides, the "B" tube has 3 longitudinal ribs on the outside that will break the air seal.
2.  By itself the small rubber donut just falls into the large "C" tube.  But the small rubber donut **will** nest in the large donut.  This will allow the "A" small tube to be inserted, but it too feels like a bad force fit, and also has those longitudinal stripes that will probably break a vacuum seal.

So how does this &**&(^&*^* thing go together?  "C" looks just fine, but from what I read that's for late in the protocol; I need to get A and B to work.  And at least the way I'm fitting them, they are too tight to fit inside the donuts then inside the big "C" cylinder.

Ideas?  Pictures?  I'm sure it's something obvious I'm missing.

[jackp]

SW

It took about 4 weeks to heal. I went to the doctor and he gave a cream to put on it and it helped a lot.

Jackp

[shrout]

Thanks for your replies, your opinions and advice

It's actually something of a relief that you regard the regime I was given as inappropriate. The dedication required to perform it for 6 months would have been quite arduous. It sounds like you believe it might actually have been harmful, so that's also a relief. The uro concerned works in one of the UK's top teaching hospitals, UCH in London, so he's no mug. But as you say, it doesn't necessarily mean he's a Peyronies expert, still less an expert on the use of the VED. You guys have walked the walk.

I am going to give the VED another go. Hopefully I'll be able to follow the recommended protocol to the letter, or possibly adapt it somewhat if necessary. But if there are no clear signs of improvement after 26 weeks I'll consider calling it a day there. As you say OM, there are some guys who it just doesn't work for, and I may be one of them.  If necessary I''ll try using more lube. But I don't have any difficulty maintaining a vacuum for the much shorter holds this site's protocol recommends, so I've never found it necessary to trim the pubic hair.

Once again, thanks all for your advice and encouragement.

[skunkworks]

I ruptured a blood vessel and it took a while to heal. That is when I found the forum and started doing what Old Man suggested.

How long did it take to heal Jackp?

[Angus]

   Four minutes is too long, and you had too much vacuum. Please go back to the 26 week protocol. The VED teaches patience. This is not a quick fix. A year, year and a half is not un-common for results and improvement. You have got to give the VED time, and lots of it. I'm sure your doc is trying to help, but in this case he's trying to re-invent the wheel.

[jackp]

I agree the doctor has you causing too much trauma to your penis. I also thought more was better before I got in touch with Old Man.

I ruptured a blood vessel and it took a while to heal. That is when I found the forum and started doing what Old Man suggested.

Trimming hair helps hold pressure with plenty of lube.

A tip on lube. Go to Walmart and get the store brand. It is cheap and works just as well as the name brand.

Jackp

[skunkworks]

Were you very cautious with pressure at the start CBF?

I just took two weeks off from using the VED because I think I was not cautious enough. I started waking up without an erection, even when I had taken cialis before bed.

Now whatever I did seems to have healed, so I will be starting again very cautiously.

Everyone told me less is more beforehand, but I did not realize just how careful we need to be.

Very glad to hear VED helped you with erections.

[cowboyfood]

Old Man,

I agree with you.

Based on my experience during my first 6 months of VED usage, shrout's uro sounds like he doesn't have much experience with a VED....four minutes sounds pretty rough.

I found trimming the hair necessary or else negative pressure escapes. 

I get the impression that some are expecting results too soon...IMO, you should focus on getting into a routine of daily VED usage and using the VED correctly.  This in itself takes some time...think of it as going on a diet...many have to "start over' because they either did not follow the diet on a regular basis or conducted the diet improperly.

Then, once a person is committed and performing the cycles appropriately, they should sit back for a while and not worry to much about improvement becoming noticeable immediately.  For me, one of the first improvements I noticed had nothing to do with deforminty reversal, but had to do with the quality of my erections (improved).  I can't say for sure whether the VED or my improved psychological state of mind caused the good erections; but, I know the VED itself improved me psychologically. 

So, either directly or indirectly, I believe the VED helped me with erections.

CF

[Old Man]

shrout:

I totally disagree with the regimen that your uro put you on with the VED. The time elements he proposes is just way too much "trauma" on your penis. The 26 week protocol is based on one of the best treatments that so far has shown any good results. VED therapy just does not work for all guys, so keep that in mind. You may be one of those who do not see good results.

However, I highly recommend that you resume the 26 week course and this time be sure to use plenty of lubricant inside the mouth of the cylinder(s) and also on up into the cylinder. In addition, use plenty on the shaft of your penis. Have you tried trimming off the pubic hair around the base of your shaft? It not, you might shave off enough of it to allow for a clean surface for the mouth of the cylinder to work against. The lubricant provides a slippery surface for the shaft to slide easily into and out of the mouth of the cylinder as well as providing a seal so that the vacuum pressure is not lost when pumping up. VED therapy takes a bit of practice to get the hang of the right procedure.

Try doing several things different from what you have been doing, especially the lubricant thing. I have found when working with guys that they are reluctant to use enough lube to get the best results.

If there is anything that any of the VED users on the forum can do to help, feel free to ask questions. There are many guys using the VED therapy and surely some have other suggestions to offer for you.

Old Man

[shrout]

Hi

I've been offered surgery, but I'm reluctant to take it until I've ruled out once and for all the possibility that VED therapy could make a real difference in my case. I've tried the protocol as recommended on this site but with only small and temporary benefits. To me it seemed to require too little time with the penis stretched/engorged to have any chance of working. It didn't for me, but obviously has for some.

My uro has given me another far more rigorous regime ( six cycles of 1 minute pumping up followed by a 4 minute hold, twice a day. i.e. two 30 minute sessions, for 6 months ). I tried this and only lasted for less than a week. My penis got too sore. Probably I was pumping too hard. Another problem was that I found it well nigh impossible to hold the vacuum for 4 minutes. The air just gradually seeped out and I had to re-pump, and eventually I just completely lost the discipline. So I gave up on it.

Anyway, my question is.... does anyone else follow this or a similar regime? If so, how do you manage to hold the vacuum for long periods without the air seeping out? Is there a knack to it? I'd really appreciate any advice because I want to follow this regime, and I feel that if I can get it right it stands a chance of working. The only alternative the way I am right now is to pray for a miracle breakthrough with xiaflex, or surgery. Thanks.

[despise]

Despise most on here recommend the 3 cylinder Vitality package, from a website called fitzz. Google that and you will find it no problems. No need for a prescription either.

http://www.google.com/search?q=3+cylinder+fitzz&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU295AU296

Result 1 is this site, result two is the website you should check out.

Thank you once again skunk!

[despise]

despise

Send Old Man a PM he is the best with the VED.

Jackp

Thank you Jackp!

[skunkworks]

Jackieo:

Actually I have only really used the VED for two weeks, more as practice so I would not think any success so far is due to the VED. I am cautiously optimistic now though.

I think that maybe I got on pentox and some quality erection boosters early enough that I may have saved myself from a lot more damage. Pentox stopped the actual process, erection boosters keep sending in good amounts of oxygenated blood for healing, the erections themselves keep stretching the penis. Hopefully VED will be the last piece in the puzzle and help me regain that lost bit of length.

[skunkworks]

Despise most on here recommend the 3 cylinder Vitality package, from a website called fitzz. Google that and you will find it no problems. No need for a prescription either.

http://www.google.com/search?q=3+cylinder+fitzz&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU295AU296

Result 1 is this site, result two is the website you should check out.

[jackp]

despise

Send Old Man a PM he is the best with the VED.

Jackp

[despise]

Can anyone help me out and guide me to what VED I should buy? And how to use it? I have noticed I have lost some length and I am having trouble with my sexual performance. I'm only 18 so there's no way im going to let this continue. Doing anything and everything I can to get this disease better and I believe in physical therapy a lot more than oral, such as hypothermia and massaging the peyronies. Help would be greatly appreciated guys! =]

[Jackieo]

skunkworks:  Great news!
And, glad to see that you are giving credit to both the use of the VED and to supplements (Pentox, etc).
It is a crazy combination that seems to work. 
I have gained my girth back as well as most of the lost length....still working on a slight "bend".  I did a measured drawing back in May...it has been excellent at showing me what is really happening month to month.
I hope you have continued improvement. JackieO

[skunkworks]

Well I just discovered some penis measurements I took quite a while back (for vanity reasons I suspect).

Compared them to current measurements and the news is not all bad.

I have lost some length, but no girth!!!

So as I know where I was before Peyronie's, I have a great opportunity to properly gauge the VED and its effectiveness in restoring lost length. Then after that if it can actually give length (while used in the same non-aggressive manner).

[jackp]

Pete28

That is nonsense. Just trying to promote something else.

Jackp

[Pete28]

I've read the following concerning the use of penis pumps on the internet:

'They also tend to thin out the penis, making it very weak and reducing the duration of erections.'

Could this really happen? I thought the effect was just it makes the erection stonger and longer in duration. What's the scientific base on this? Or is it just nonsense in order to promote other penis enlargement stuff?

[bummedout]

ok, this is what I figured, just thought I'd ask

[skunkworks]

Bumed - that is pretty much just an unsubstantiated sales page. Real traction devices do have one completed study at least backing them up. These people have very little, looks like they made that 'study' up on the spot.

[jackp]

bummedout

Manual penile stretching does not work. If it did I would have a "big one".

A quick look at the link posted and IMHO it is designed to sell you there products.

Proper VED exercise works. It takes time and commitment. Usually 3-6 months to see results. The VED will help keep your penis healthy in ways manual stretching will not.

Many on this forum have had excellent results with the VED. To read mine see My History at the bottom of this post.

Jackp

[bummedout]

was wondering if anyone tried this out

http://peyronies-disease-help.com/penis-stretching.html

Also, I haven't posted my monthly results lately because I stopped using the VED, mostly because I've been having real sex with a girl instead of a cylinder.  And although I have managed to have intercourse, I still have had no improvement in my condition.  Right now I'm mostly in the process of just trying to figure out how psychologically I'm gonna deal with this the rest of my life.  I'm thinking about it too much, keeping me distracted from other things in life.  Using the VED everyday just really isn't practical, especially when I'm still not even sure if I'm doing the exercises right, and that there is no assurance when and if it will work.  I haven't given up, just contemplating things.  Anyway, just thought I share some thoughts.

Go Yanks.

bummed

[despise]

despise:

Tim468, Angus and several others on the forum have made their own VEDs. Hopefully, they will see your post and give your some information on how they built theirs and how you can make you one as well as where they bought their supplies.

There are several posts somewhere in the main forum boards that list how they made theirs, but at the moment, I cannot find them. You might do a search and see if you can find those.

Old Man

Ok well I read the post that Angus made about how he made his and to be honest it was to confusing for me. So it just might be easier if I buy my own. I thought what I copied and paste was a cheap way of buying the parts separate and combining them.

[ashen311]

Once again thank you Old Man.  They have emailed me back stating that the missing cylinder is on its way out.

Thanks so much!

[Old Man]

ashen311;

Just read your post about the improper shipment from Fitzz of your VED. I called the Fitzz company and talked with their general manager. He stated they had gotten your request about the missing cylinder. He checked your order, found the cylinder was missing and the shipment of the correct one was handled and shipped to you today, 10/22/09.

He apologized for the problem and said he would check his shipping department to determine why shipment are going out wrong. They have some new personnel in the shipping department and probably did not check the order thorough enough.

Anyway, you should have the correct cylinder soon. BTW, the package normally comes with three cylinders as stated on the web site - A is the smallest, B is the medium and C is the largest. The Fitzz company builds the Vitality three cylinder model VED package from a standard erectile dysfunction package by adding the other cylinders and retainer rings, etc. What happend in your case was that the B medium cylinder got left out of the package by accident.

Let me know if you do not get the correct cylinders soon.

Old Man

[ashen311]

So yesterday I received my Vitality Plus.  It only came with 2 cylinders though despite it saying there should be 3.  I have contacted Fitz but have not heard anything back yet.

My packing slip only listed the following 2 cylinders:

Style A Cylinder for Vitality Vacuum Therapy Systems (1 1/2" Diameter)
Style B Cylinder for Vitality Vacuum Therapy Systems (1 3/4" Diameter)

For those that ordered the Vitality Plus did you receive 2 or 3 cylinders?

I wanted to start using it but now it seems like things may be put on hold.

[Old Man]

despise:

Tim468, Angus and several others on the forum have made their own VEDs. Hopefully, they will see your post and give your some information on how they built theirs and how you can make you one as well as where they bought their supplies.

There are several posts somewhere in the main forum boards that list how they made theirs, but at the moment, I cannot find them. You might do a search and see if you can find those.

Old Man

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

Read your post about the Birmingham study of the three cylinder model VEDs. I have tried many times to contact that group to get a copy of their results of the study.

To date, have received no answer from them. BTW, Chris Spivey is a lady who is charge of the study as far as I know. Have tried to contact her personally, but no luck there either. There was a web site connected with the study originally, but I don't think it is still up and running either.
So, as far as I know, there seems to be no way to get any results from a three cylinder study for the three cylinder VEDs. We are just using the protocol that was developed by the Augusta Medical Systems for the old Somacorrect VED that was taken off the market due to some quirk of regulations by the FDA here in the USA.

The Soma STF VED was placed on the market as a result of that problem. In addition, they also started marketing the Vitality model VEDs which are basically the same as the Somacorrect which was supposed to be marketed for Peyronies Disease therapy. So go figure = who knows. The 26 week protocol is the only therapy that seems to work best for a lot of guys on and off the forum. I know that is has helped many of my friends who have used it.


Old Man

[despise]

I am interested in using a VED but It's hard for me to understand how to make one.

Here is a fairly priced ($72 plus shipping) and high-quality penis pump cylinder (many sizes, but not graduated like SomaCorrect). Note that they also sell the connecting couplers for the tubing:

http://www.stockroom.com/pumps.htm

Here is their FAQ about pumping (fairly well written; semi-accurate):

http://www.stockroom.com/suction-faq.htm#09

Here is a link to a typical handpump via the internet (less than half the price of most sex-toy vendors):

http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Vacuum-Pump-with-Pressure-Gauge-P6489C692.aspx

The total expenditures can come to about $120. Not bad to get going with something that can be controlled and moderated carefully (using the guage on the pump).>>>>


Could I buy the cylinder from stockroom and the pump from secure.sciencompany? Would I also need - "This male coupler can be pushed in to attach the pump hose to the cylinder. Compatible with most major brands of cylinders." That they advertise on the stockroom site to connect the pump to the cylinder? And would that be it?

[skunkworks]

At the moment we are using a protocol based on nothing but anecdotal evidence. If that is all we have, then that is fine. I am doing exactly what is recommended on this thread and others, following it to the letter in fact. But I am still going to try and find out more information, and hopefully proof about what is the best way to use a VED.

I am hoping to get some information from another source about the 3 cylinder study that may or may not have been completed, which should shed more light on the matter.

In my mind it comes down to who might have the most useful information. If the 3 cylinder study was completed, then Chris Spivy would most likely have the most useful information. If it was not, the Dr Levine would most likely have the most useful information due to his very large patient base, which in itself would be something of a never ending study of treatment effectiveness.

Yes you are right I did assume that the site was connected to Chris Spivey which looks to be a mistake. Can't find any email address for the Birmingham Urological Society, have a telephone number and address if someone in the US would care to give them a call about the 3 cylinder study:

Birmingham Urological Associates
1915 E 14 Mile Rd
Birmingham, MI 48009
(248) 642-4474