VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Angus]

  Thanks Mike for the suggestion. The topic is now saved as an archive for reading only. It is also locked and no new posts can be made. I agree that threads that are more topic-specific will be easier for members new and not-so-new to glean information from. Any members that were carrying on a discussion in this thread are welcome to create a new thread with a title that represents the subject of discussion... Angus

[skunkworks]

In fact he's been avoiding any intimacy with me in case he gets an erection.  He was diagnosed last month-we were about to start trying for a baby.

I don't think sex will cause harm as long as it is careful, but not having regular erections will cause his penis damage and make the end result worse. Erections keep the penis healthy.

[Mike_O]

MODERATORS

Please consider closing this thread to new posts. It is 51 pages and 2523 posts spanning 5 years. This thread is very helpful so please don't delete. It takes many hours to read through the entire thread and I doubt most folks will take the time to do so. It seems more helpful if the threads are more topic specific.

Thanks for your service to the community here!

[Mike_O]

StarFlower

Welcome to the forum - perhaps the best internet site for learning about Peyronie's Disease. I encourage you AND your husband to spend many hours reading the info and posts here. Also check out the forum specifically for women. Reading this 50+ page thread about VEDs will show you that many folks are exploring various therapy approaches to Peyronie's but it may be a bit overwhelming for you at this point. I suggest you get an overview and "big picture" then focus on various therapy approaches.

Keep in mind many men and their partners have successfully overcome the effects of this condition - however knowledge and effort sure does help the process.

There is hope!

[BrooksBro]

Texas is a BIG state.  I live in Houston.  The urologist I had been seeing for my annual exam said "take vitamin E and come back in a year to talk about plication surgery."  His Rx for anti-inflammatory pain medicine worked great to eliminate the severe pain on erection.  I took his advice about the vitamin E, and went to another doctor. 

Since November 2009, I have been seeing Larry Lipshultz, head of the Baylor urology department.  Lipshultz knows A LOT about treating peyronie's.  I am very pleased with the treatment I am receiving.  At my first visit, he started me on pentoxyfilline 400 mg 3X, L-Arginine, 25 mg viagra nightly (known as the PAV coctail, or triple therapy), and FastSize traction device.  He since added testosterone to get my level into the normal range.  http://www.bcm.edu/urology/index.cfm?pmid=9953

Where ever you are in Texas, Southwest Airlines can get you to Hobby Airport, and the medical center is nearby (by Texas standards).

I am new here and have Peyronies Disease for about 6 months live in texas no one knows much about Peyronies Disease looking for direction

[Starflower]

I've been doing nothing but read about Peyronie's for the last week or so but can't find much information about pain and sex/erections.  My husband's urologist gave him the "wait and see what happens" advice.  So now I'm thinking we a)need a better urologist and b)should do some research ourselves...     

A lot of men seem to use VEDs.  Am I right that it's ok to use them in the early stages - possible even a good idea?  My husband tells me he's in a lot of pain though and his urologist told him not to have sex (advice he has followed).  In fact he's been avoiding any intimacy with me in case he gets an erection.  He was diagnosed last month-we were about to start trying for a baby.

Are erections ok if there's pain?  Is the urologist right that since it's at such an early stage in the disease sex will worsen the outcome?  I'm happy to go without sex for now if it improves the eventual outcome.

Does it depend on the stage of the disease?  It seems most men using VEDs have had Peyronie's for a while. Does not having erections slow the progression of the disease in the first stages or when there's pain? I know these questions aren't directly related to VEDs but since I've been assuming my husband can never again have an erection (without pain and dire consequences) it's strange to see that erections can be a treatment. 

I'm also afraid to suggest something like that to a man afraid of erections without a urologist saying it's a good idea - but where do we find a good urologist (not in the US)?  Do urologists recommend VEDs?  I'm confused!

[lwillisjr]

It would help if you could post some additional information. Because the advice you receive will depend on several factors. All the way from how long you have had Peyronies Disease (not just how long you have been diagnosed), degree of curvature, pain or no pain, etc. You will find a lot of great information here and many willing to offer advice.

[rontherube]

I am new here and have Peyronies Disease for about 6 months live in texas no one knows much about Peyronies Disease looking for direction

[Old Man]

Davea:

OK, I was under the assumption you were still Stateside. Yes, I checked out the site you mentioned. The prices seem to be very good based on the fact that you are out of the USA. It appears that the VED package you mentioned is basically the same as the Vitality unit from Fitzz.

There are many different models of VEDs made by Augusta and I believe many are made special for their distributors.

Anyway, thanks for posting the link as it will help a lot of folks in the Euro and other areas overseas from the USA.

Old Man

[Davea]

Old Man,

Problem is I'm in South East Asia right now. I did manage, after a lot of surfing, to find a UK website which sells the SomaCorrect Xtra (which seems to be the same thing as Fitzz offers; 3 tubes etc). The total price though, including postage, is almost exactly the same as Fitzz even with their $128 UPS charge.

It might be a good reference for anyone living in the UK though - website is http://www.imedicare.eu/onlinestore.html

Davea

[Old Man]

Davea:

If you are not leaving for Spain right away, you might want to place the order with Fitzz now and have them ship it to you expedited shipping. This would cost way less than overseas UPS charges. You probably could get it delivered in 3 or 4 days this way too.

If you decide to to do this place your order by phone so that you can talk directly with a sales rep who can make the expedited handling for you.

Old Man

[Davea]

Davea:

I am sorry that you did not get an answer from the Fitzz company. They do ship all over the world, even to countries where there is no distributor of Augusta Medical Systems VEDs. Go to this link and get their web site URL address and send an email to the president of the Fitzz company, Mr. Mark Osenga. Advise him of your needs and he should be able to work out a way for you to get the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED should you still desire to get one. It might cost the extra shipping charges, but I am sure the company can ship internationally.

www.fitzz.com

Let me know if I can help in any way with your getting the attention of the company. In the past, I have arranged for guys in several countries to get their VEDs.

Old Man

Old Man,

Don't know what happened the last time I tried to contact Fitzz but today I managed to get the price online for Spain (where I am moving to). The shipping cost is more than $120, but that's UPS for you I guess. Anyway I'm going to go ahead and order one. I've had such good results with the single cylinder model I'm anxious to get going with the real deal.

Thanks again for the help.

[mike67]

Davea
Thanks for commenting on my post. I actually placed a "get quote " order on line with Fitzz today. I called them but Mark is away til Monday so will just speak with him then to get a warm & cozy feeling about them. The Old Man is a great help in setting everything up for patients like us , and strongly recommends them. I see he has already be in contact with you .

Good luck .

Mike

[Davea]

Old Man,

Thanks for the advice - I'll give it a shot and let you know how it goes.

[Old Man]

Davea:

I am sorry that you did not get an answer from the Fitzz company. They do ship all over the world, even to countries where there is no distributor of Augusta Medical Systems VEDs. Go to this link and get their web site URL address and send an email to the president of the Fitzz company, Mr. Mark Osenga. Advise him of your needs and he should be able to work out a way for you to get the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED should you still desire to get one. It might cost the extra shipping charges, but I am sure the company can ship internationally.

www.fitzz.com

Let me know if I can help in any way with your getting the attention of the company. In the past, I have arranged for guys in several countries to get their VEDs.

Old Man

[Davea]

Is anyone presently using a Sex Shop VED? My Urologist, after being diagnosed last week , sent me to "Arent We Naughty "( that is the correct store name) and I selected a Precision Pump from California Exotic Novelties 
Joined just last week and shared this info with the Old Man. He is supportive but mentioned it will take longer to achieve results. We since exchanged messages when I thought I would look seriously at Fitzz.
But - in the meantime - does anyone have any comments on their experiences and results, if any, with a single chamber "sex shop" pump?
I am on my 8 th night using the Jackp / Old Man protocol.

Mike67

Yes, I have one but only because I'm living in a country where I can't get the 3 cylinder medical grade model. I had quite impressive results (reduction in curvature and reduction of the 'hour glass effect') after only a couple of weeks use but then after 2 months I held the vacuum for too long (30-45 seconds rather than 10-20 seconds) and developed bruising and swelling. After checking with Old Man, God bless him, I stopped using it. It took 2 months for the bruising to disappear so I've only recently, and very carefully, started again. BTW everything I gained during the first 2 months I lost during the healing period so stick strictly to the protocol would be my advice.

IMHO a 'sex-shop' pump is better than not doing anything. Any improvement is better than just praying for the 'magic cure' to come along.

I'm just about to move - does anyone know where I can buy the Soma (or another medical grade) pump in Europe? I've tried the US distributor but they just don't answer my emails.

[skunkworks]

I had a radical prostetectomy July of 2007.  I developed Peyronies about a 1.5 years ago. 

I kind of chewed out my Eurologist in May 2010--(supposed to be one of the most qualified on Peyronies in the Western States), he pretty much told me to take a hike.  I was only frustrated because all the doctors I have seen are so passive and act like there is nothing you can do.  They only throw out options for you to choose from.  I don't know if it's a liability issue or what.  I don't blame anyone, I just want to get on the most logical track.

A couple months ago I commented on the Fastsize.  I thought it was aggravating the plaque.  I believe I returned it in February this year.  My size and girth have reduced probably 20%--probably more since I quit using the Fastsize, based on my wife's input.  Fastsize obviously was meeting my needs in those areas.  I have been taking Pentox for about 4 months.  I tried to buy the Augusta 3 cylinder VED unit about March timeframe--my insurance (Altius) refused to cover it.  I am going to send an explanation and hopefully have them reconsider.  I am a little confused which direction to go now, after procrastinating.  I definitely want to regain the length and girth shorterm, but want to address the curvature long term.  I probably used the Fastsize too agressively--causing a lot of pain from cutting off blood circulation and the constant pull in several areas of the penis.  I used the Fastsize in several ways and angles--thinking the typical setting was pushing on the curvature and increasing the degrees of the curve.

Has anyone ever tried using both methods--the VED and the Fastsize for a stretch of time...............
Neidz

I am using both. I've gained a little big of length and girth (up to and beyond what I lost) and it has improved erection quality by a lot.

[neidz]

I had a radical prostetectomy July of 2007.  I developed Peyronies about a 1.5 years ago. 

I kind of chewed out my Eurologist in May 2010--(supposed to be one of the most qualified on Peyronies in the Western States), he pretty much told me to take a hike.  I was only frustrated because all the doctors I have seen are so passive and act like there is nothing you can do.  They only throw out options for you to choose from.  I don't know if it's a liability issue or what.  I don't blame anyone, I just want to get on the most logical track.

A couple months ago I commented on the Fastsize.  I thought it was aggravating the plaque.  I believe I returned it in February this year.  My size and girth have reduced probably 20%--probably more since I quit using the Fastsize, based on my wife's input.  Fastsize obviously was meeting my needs in those areas.  I have been taking Pentox for about 4 months.  I tried to buy the Augusta 3 cylinder VED unit about March timeframe--my insurance (Altius) refused to cover it.  I am going to send an explanation and hopefully have them reconsider.  I am a little confused which direction to go now, after procrastinating.  I definitely want to regain the length and girth shorterm, but want to address the curvature long term.  I probably used the Fastsize too agressively--causing a lot of pain from cutting off blood circulation and the constant pull in several areas of the penis.  I used the Fastsize in several ways and angles--thinking the typical setting was pushing on the curvature and increasing the degrees of the curve.

Has anyone ever tried using both methods--the VED and the Fastsize for a stretch of time...............
Neidz

[newguy]

despise - What did it state on the warranty? I would think if it's still under warranty, they will either replace the unit, or fix it, which should have the same end result for you.

[despise]

Hi guys I have some bad news. My VED is broken. So I sent my warranty to the company but not my broken VED yet. Will I get a brand new VED back for free? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Despise

[Old Man]

Pete28:

Sorry I cannot answer your PM of this date. I tried, but your inbox is full and cannot receive any more PMs. So, check your inbox and delete some some that PMs will be received.

Just open the box, select the oldest you no longer want and delete them. Check to see how many you are allowed before getting full on an ongoing basis, so this won't happen for you.

Old Man

[mike67]

Is anyone presently using a Sex Shop VED? My Urologist, after being diagnosed last week , sent me to "Arent We Naughty "( that is the correct store name) and I selected a Precision Pump from California Exotic Novelties 
Joined just last week and shared this info with the Old Man. He is supportive but mentioned it will take longer to achieve results. We since exchanged messages when I thought I would look seriously at Fitzz.
But - in the meantime - does anyone have any comments on their experiences and results, if any, with a single chamber "sex shop" pump?
I am on my 8 th night using the Jackp / Old Man protocol.

[hb]

I had the same thing happen with the 3 Tube VED. The hourglass shape is completely gone but I still curve. Although not as much, just more weeks use to go.

[joe]

Hi all, I just wanted to drop in to tell everyone that after lurking around and reading the VED posts for over a year I finally bit the bullet and bought the 3 cylinder VED from Fittz.  I received it in the mail quickly and it seems to be well made.  I am only in the second week of the 26 week protocol but I am already pleased with the results thus far. 

For the record, I have a ~45 degree bend upward starting about 2.5 inches from the base.  There was also a significant hourglass shape at the bend.  I have also been taking Pentox twice a day for about 3 months.  The VED has already helped the hour-glassing such that it is almost no longer noticeable.  The upward bend though only seems marginally better, but I am optimistic since I just started.  I will keep track and provide updates on any progress I see.   

-Joe 

[Old Man]

Wayne:

Pulll up the Fitzz web site, get their 800 number and call Mark directly. If he is not available, there will be someone that can help you with any information you need to know.

Old Man

[wayne999]

Wayne,

Are you finding that A cylinder is to tight, and C is to wide?  A is actualy supposed to be tight, I found B cylinder to be the best fit for me. 

Thanks for replies guys. I haven't got any VED yet so i was just wondering if the cylinders that come with the Fitzz thing aren't as "optimal" as i might need, then would there be an easy solution.  I agree with what BrooksBro is saying in that the key is to get the cylinder to be a good fit to the pump device. I tried emailing Mark at Fitz about how well their device could accomodate varying sized diameter cylinders but got no reply. I am slightly hesitant of going down the DIY path because i am a bit clumsy and would not want to put my member in any kind of danger

[ComeBacKid]

Wayne,

Are you finding that A cylinder is to tight, and C is to wide?  A is actualy supposed to be tight, I found B cylinder to be the best fit for me. 

[BrooksBro]

It appears to me that the limitation of all the higher quality medical-grade and OTC systems is the pump to cylinder attachment method.  Interlocking tabs and slots, with an o-ring seal seems common and ideal.  Any tube custom machined still has to mate to the pump.

From professional experience, machining the inside diameter of commercial size thick wall polycarbonate tubes and then polishing the machined surface clear again, is VERY expensive, even among those who work with that material all the time.  Figure $200-300 per tube.  It 'can' be done, but not as cheap as $75-100 for those available from the manufacturer's, knowing they have 20-50% markup in their price.

It may be worth looking at pumps and cylinders here, which do not fit the "medical grade" pumps:  www.stockroom.com/pumps.htm

Or, this message:  http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,25.msg2539.html#msg2539




www.augustams.com

Vacuum Chamber Standard - 2-1/4 x 8
Vacuum Chamber Large - 2-1/2 x 8
Vacuum Chamber Extra Large - 2-1/2 x 12

SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinder A - 1-1/2 x 7
SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinder B - 1-3/4 x 7
SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinder C - 2-1/4 x 8

SomaCorrect® Negative Pressure Insert (A) - 1-1/2 x 7
SomaCorrect® Negative Pressure Insert (B) - 1-3/4 x 7
SomaCorrect® Negative Pressure Insert (C) - 2-1/4 x 8


www.fitz.com

Vitality OTC Systems
Standard tube
XL Tube - 2-1/2 x 8
XXL Tube - 2-1/2 x 13

[Old Man]

Wayne:

I am not positive about this, but I am told that Augusta Medical does make larger cylinders for their VEDs. Suggest that you either contact the Fitzz company or the Augusta Medical Systems in Augusta, GA. Seems like that someone in the past needed one, but I have no knowledge of the resulting action about it.

The best contact at the Fitzz company is Mark Osenga, the president of the company. He would be very happy to work with you on getting the larger cylinders. He would know if they are available too. I no longer have a personal contact at Augusta Medical, you would just have to call their 800 number and ask for a sales representative.

Sorry that I have no further information. This point has arisen one time before, and I do not know the outcome of it.

Old Man

[wayne999]

Old man and others,

with the link i provided above, does that device allow for different size diameter cylinders to be used?   I know you can get the 3 cylinders that are 1.5",  1.75" and 2.25"   but if i say wanted a 2"  would that be easy to fit to the device?     And also is it easy to find medical grade quality cylinders on the net of varying sizes?  If not, and i had to do some home DIY tpye thing, does the device easily allow differnt size diameters to be fitted?

Thanks

[shrout]

Just to add to the evidence of improvement in newguy's thread...http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1211.0.html.. here are the results of my own one man study..

I've just completed the 26-week protocol for the third time, but this time I took accurate before and after measurements.. (as accurate as it's possible to be with a piece of string and a ruler )

so here they are....

Flaccid length (stretched manually) - before 5 1/4 inch ... after 5 1/4 inch

Flaccid girth - before 4 7/8 inch ... after 5 1/4 inch

Erect length (stretched inside VED "B" tube) - before 5 3/4 inch ... after 6 1/8 inch.

so some measurable improvement in girth and erect length.  


I found it impossible to accurately measure the angle of the bend, partly because the angle of deviation varies with the strength of the erection. So I can't provide any numbers for this. But I can confidently state that there has been an improvement. Judging subjectively, purely by eye, my estimate would be a reduction in deviation of approximately 10%.  

I am very encouraged by the results, and I hope it encourages others to take up the VED, and to persevere. I'm now simply going to start again on another  26 week cycle, pretty confident that I can achieve further improvement.

Best of luck to all.



  

[Old Man]

Wayne:

Yes, the basic part of this "new" product is the same as the original Vitality Plus OTC three cylinder VED. Augusta Medical now sells an assembled VED like the one that Fitzz was making up for sale. The Fitzz made up VED package consisted of the basic Vitality one cylinder unit and then they added two more cylinders to make up the Plus package. Augusta asked them to cease selling this unit as Augusta was now selling a similar unit, but at a much higher price.

Fitzz and Augusta worked out a deal where Fitz could still sell the Vitality one cylinder VED and then make extra cylinders available for the forum members. The link to the exact web site of the new VED three cylinder package is listed in the VED board topics and is shown in your quoted message in your post immediately below this post. The general public does not have access to this VED as it is reserved for forum members per their president.

So, to get the three cylinder package VED as they furnished before, simply go to that link, select the basic unit and then add the cylinders you would like by clicking on each one individually. This will give one the same package as the original three cylinder VED under the name of the Vitality Plus OTC three cylinder. There is no promo code as far as I know to get any additional discounted price.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

Old Man

[wayne999]

Old Man: Is this the same device as before? I just seem to remember the graphic being different, and vaguely recall the "vitality OTC" as being a different product to the product you kept referring to (the one that came with 3 cylinders etc - ).....although i could be wrong.

Also what was the coupon code, has it been updated ?   I am debating about whether to get this or try and purchase a home-made type device.

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

UPDATE TO POST 2479 BELOW......

Received the following email today from the Fitzz Company. It should be self explanatory, but anyone has a question about the link that Mark has provided for our use, please call him at the number listed therein. Will keep everyone updated should there be any changes to this procedure. Please note that now, when ordering the VED listed in this link, you must add the additional cylinders to the basic package to make it a three cylinder VED unit.

You must copy and past the link to your web browser to have access to this special package VED unit and to get the pricing structure that Mark has allowed for members on the forum.

Old Man


Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes.)


My team has devised a way to satisfy Augusta and still maintain the purchase ease for your members.


You can still use the link to the product previously available.  This just won't be easily found on our store without the link.


The specific product link is: http://www.fitzz.com/Vacuum-Therapy-System-Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html


I'm sorry to make this so complicated but we are just trying to help the guys out and keep the manufacturer happy.


Again, feel free to give  me a call next week if you have any questions.


Thank you.


 

Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com

[Fred22]

Angus,

Thanks for sharing this information.  I've just recently started VED therapy and have had to stop each time after 2 or 3 days due to pain.  I don't think it's due to overpumping though.  I had pain for a year before I had any curvature and after almost 4 years still have some pain on an almost daily basis.  So...I'm trying to gather as much information as possible regarding how others are approaching this therapy.  I do want to resume very soon and this time I'd like to be able to stick with it.  Thanks again.

Fred

[Angus]

No problem, Fred. Keep in mind that I started VED therapy before the 26 week protocol came about. Also I made my own VED's to save money. The tubes are used are the same size as those used in the 3 tube protocol. The thing I did a little different from the protocol was to use all three tubes per session instead of using only one tube for a week. I would start with the small 1.5 inch tube as a warmup and get a good stretch and go maybe 5 or 6 cycles (pump, hold, release). I would move to the medium tube and do 5 or 6 cycles, then move to the large tube and do 5 or 6 cycles. I would hold each cycle for all tubes about 15 or 20 seconds but no longer, then release. Wait 10 or 15 seconds then do another cycle. I would rotate tubes until 20 or 30 minutes had gone by. I didn't approach this as rocket science and would sometimes skip a tube one day and just do the small tube or the medium tube, but usually cycled through all 3 tubes. I rarely missed a day but when I did I tried to pick up after a vacation or something. Whether a man follows the protocol to the letter or mixes up the tube sizes like I did I believe is not quite as important as committment to an extended length of time for this type of rehab to work, and not skipping days or weeks or months.

[Fred22]

    The VED protocol is a 26 week outline of a succession of varied cycles with different sized tubes. This does not mean that in 26 weeks you are done. This is physical therapy that is correcting a difficult thing to correct and must be done consistently for a long time for it to work. This therapy took me well over a year to produce results. At six months (26 weeks) I had small changes but not enough. After a year or a little more of use I saw a reduction from 45 degrees of curve to less than 10 degrees. I use the VED's as a supplemental therapy to this day. This is no different from physical therapy for shoulder surgery, knee surgery, strained muscles, ligaments or any other type of injury in that the therapy must be done every day to work. You can skip a day every now and then, but not much. To me, 20 or 30 minutes a day for a little over a year was a small price to pay for getting rid of most of that curve. Think of it as 12 or more hours a month given up to do VED therapy. Give up 12 hours of television a month for a year or so; television these days isn't that good anyway.
    If you just dabble at VED therapy and do it for a few months every few days, it's not going to work. Only the motivated VED user is going to get results. I would think that getting rid of a curve would be motivation enough to get a man to commit to VED therapy. Consider the cost of the VED's and the small cost of lubricant as an investment, not an inconvenience. But the user must commit and do the WORK. This is not a magic bullet pill or wonder of science that straightens a man out; it is old fashioned work and committment.

Angus,

You may have done so already, but if it's not too much trouble could you share with us your daily routine RE VED therapy?  You said 20 to 30 minutes daily.  Could you just describe your typical daily VED session from start to finish?  Thanks.

Fred

[Angus]

    The VED protocol is a 26 week outline of a succession of varied cycles with different sized tubes. This does not mean that in 26 weeks you are done. This is physical therapy that is correcting a difficult thing to correct and must be done consistently for a long time for it to work. This therapy took me well over a year to produce results. At six months (26 weeks) I had small changes but not enough. After a year or a little more of use I saw a reduction from 45 degrees of curve to less than 10 degrees. I use the VED's as a supplemental therapy to this day. This is no different from physical therapy for shoulder surgery, knee surgery, strained muscles, ligaments or any other type of injury in that the therapy must be done every day to work. You can skip a day every now and then, but not much. To me, 20 or 30 minutes a day for a little over a year was a small price to pay for getting rid of most of that curve. Think of it as 12 or more hours a month given up to do VED therapy. Give up 12 hours of television a month for a year or so; television these days isn't that good anyway.
    If you just dabble at VED therapy and do it for a few months every few days, it's not going to work. Only the motivated VED user is going to get results. I would think that getting rid of a curve would be motivation enough to get a man to commit to VED therapy. Consider the cost of the VED's and the small cost of lubricant as an investment, not an inconvenience. But the user must commit and do the WORK. This is not a magic bullet pill or wonder of science that straightens a man out; it is old fashioned work and committment.

[Old Man]

bummedout:

Yes, I realize that you were kidding and that is the reason that I said there would be no comment from me. You see, I have been blasted OH so many times about being a spammer, a shill for the company that makes VEDs and other names associated with that subject.

On the old forum, there was another guy using the name Old Man and we never knew who was talking or who was posting at any time. That is one reason that I came over to this one and you know the rest of the story.

BTW, I have just updated the Fitzz web site program where the earlier email from the company said they could no longer honor on line orders. Today, I updated post 2479 to show that there is now a way to order on line, but one must use the link shown in the latest post just below this one.

Now about the VED usage - you said that you were not using it on a regular basis. This is really a mistake on your part since regular use of the VED provides the ultimate in results. Occasionally using a VED just simply cannot keep up the blood flow that does the most good. So, I strongly urge and recommend to you that you should get back on the routine and stay with the protocol.

Let me know if I can help at any time with any questions about VED usage.

Regards, Old Man

[bummedout]

Despise:

I've had Peyronies Disease for a little over 2 years now.  I had at one point used the VED everyday for about 3 months, but I just didn't notice any real sustained improvement, except directly after use.  I might try again consistently, but for now I'm just gonna' wait until I see this next doctor, and choose a course of action then.  Good luck.

bummed

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

UPDATE TO POST 2479 BELOW......

Received the following email today from the Fitzz Company. It should be self explanatory, but if anyone has a question about the link that Mark has provided for our use, please call him at the number listed therein. Will keep everyone updated should there be any changes to this procedure. Please note that now, when ordering the VED listed in this link, you must add the additional cylinders to the basic package to make it a three cylinder VED unit.

You must copy and past the link to your web browser to have access to this special package VED unit and to get the pricing structure that Mark has allowed for members on the forum.

Old Man


Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes.)


My team has devised a way to satisfy Augusta and still maintain the purchase ease for your members.


You can still use the link to the product previously available.  This just won't be easily found on our store without the link.


The specific product link is: http://www.fitzz.com/Vacuum-Therapy-System-Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html


I'm sorry to make this so complicated but we are just trying to help the guys out and keep the manufacturer happy.


Again, feel free to give  me a call next week if you have any questions.


Thank you.


 

Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com

[despise]

Old Man, just so you know, I was sincerely kidding.......as an update though, I've been rarely using my VED.......it does seem to stretch me out a bit when I do use it, but only short term......I just haven't used it as consistently as I should to truly make my judgement of it.  I am going back to another doctor for a third opinion though in a couple of weeks, doctor Mulhall.  I think I'm going to try to get a prescription for Cialis or something.  I'm just sort of waiting in Limbo right now, hoping that maybe the Xiaflex thing will happen.

Bummedout I don't understand why you aren't using the VED consistently. I haven't been using the VED more than a month, but I can tell you It makes a huge difference in repairing the plaque. Do you know where you plaque is? I am guessing you are in the early stages of peyronies, so you don't see much improvement with the VED, but that would only be because the plaque hasn't yet calcified completely, which is a good thing! That means you need to get as much blood flow in there to help heal it now. I'm not as knowledgable about peyronies as other members in here, but I believe what I am saying is correct. If it is not someone please rephrase me or correct me. VED seems to be the only real treatment with positive benefit other than hot baths, but I think that has actually hardened my plaque even more. So I am relying fully on the VED and a couple of oral medications such as L-arginine and Vitamin E full spec, at this time. I sure wish I would have gotten the VED in the early stages of my peyronies.

[bummedout]

Old Man, just so you know, I was sincerely kidding.......as an update though, I've been rarely using my VED.......it does seem to stretch me out a bit when I do use it, but only short term......I just haven't used it as consistently as I should to truly make my judgement of it.  I am going back to another doctor for a third opinion though in a couple of weeks, doctor Mulhall.  I think I'm going to try to get a prescription for Cialis or something.  I'm just sort of waiting in Limbo right now, hoping that maybe the Xiaflex thing will happen.

[Old Man]

Tigman:

Sorry to learn that you have joined the ranks of the Peyronies Disease family! Yes, it does take a bit of practice to get the hang of using a VED properly and to get a good seal when using it.

You might want to try the Wal Mart Equate Personal Lubricant brand they sell. It costs just a bit over $2.00 per tube and works equally well as the KY or the brand that came with the VED. So give it a try before spending as much as you say in your post.

Let me know if I can help with your VED protocol in any way.

Old Man

[Tigman]

I've been reading the forum for a while and finally bought the three cylinder system recently. I started practicing with it and ran into the same problem that despise is talking about. I tried a product called Allation which is a slightly cheaper version of Astroglide and sold at Walgreens. That made a big difference for me but it's pretty expensive ($10 for 5oz). It's not a monumental amount of money since I don't use very much each time, so I'm happy with it. By the way, let me thank all of you (Old Man, Angus, etc), for all your input here!

[Old Man]

bummedout:

I won't even address that comment!! If by now everyone does not know that I work for no company, just for the interest of the many sufferers on this forum I offer no apology. Thanks for your support anyway.

Old Man

[bummedout]

Old Man, are you working for Fitzz? ...........kidding

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

I have received an email today from the Fitzz Company that they can no longer supply on line orders for  the Vitaility Plus OTC Vacuum Erection Device at the price they have been charging for members on the Peyronies Disease Forum. Shown below is the email that I received today. Please take notice of its contents and abide by its request. Orders at the same price can be placed by phone as stated until the Fitzz company updates it web site in accordance with the Augusta Medical Systems' requirements.  Old Man

Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes)


We have been notified by Augusta Medical this afternoon that we are no longer able to offer the Multi-cylinder system for sale - online...


They are carrying the system for over $600 on their site and wish to maintain exclusivity.


That being said, they have allowed us to maintain the system for our current pricing for your organization and members but the orders must be phoned in for now.  We will probably be able to put a special link up for your members after 30 days but for now the orders must be phoned in.  So if you can update your forum for the members to call our Toll Free Number 866-813-3621 to place the order we would appreciate it.  


We are apparently the only organization offer the ability to resell this system (and we can offer it at a reduced price).


Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.


Thank you and have a great weekend.


Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com











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[Old Man]

despise:

Make absolutely certain that you are using a very good grade of lubrication. KY gel is the best overall, but costly. A lot of us are using the Wal Mart Equate brand of personal lubrication. The Equate brand sells for around $2.00 per tube. Both KY and the Equate lubes are water soluble. If yours is drying up quickly, you might want to get another brand.

The lube that comes with the Vitality Plus VED is almost like KY so it should be a good one. You can simply moisten the shaft after pumping a few cycles to see if that makes the lube more slippery or softens it.

You must be very careful not to overpump the pressure. Again, less is better than more with vacuum pressure using the VED. So be extra careful to pump less instead of more.

Keep us up to date on what is happening for you and if you have more questions, please ask.

Old Man

[despise]

I am having a lot penile skin pain and I am thinking it is due to the VED. I am putting plenty of lube on for the VED, but the lube seems to dry up and become sticky. It's so tender and raw that I'm actually not wanting to continue with treatment for 3 days before I see my fiance. Do you think I could possibly be over pumping and its stretching the skin to far? Or should I get a new type of lube? a answer before treatment tonight would be awesome guys! Thanks for all the help.

[jackp]

The question has been asked many times when should I start therapy for peyronies.

Vanderbilt is a world class center for men with all kinds of sexual function problems. One of our members that wishes to remain anonymous sent me this in an email:

I am still going strong on the VED, I am at day 84 of the 26 week protocol (with your input).  I seem to be noticing some length gains this week when I use the A cyclinder (which is encouraging).  I should have kept with the VED exercises when I started last May instead of listening to Dr. Levine (but all of this is a learning process from a variety of experts).  By the way, Todd D. informed me when we met that he thought VED exercise is most useful during the first 3 months of the onset of peyrones; however, he acknowledged that guys usually do not know what to do to combat the disease (or put themselves in a better medical postion) until well after the 3 month time period).

Guys if you are new to peyronies or have had it a while the recommendation is start VED therapy as soon as possible.  Go to the 26 week protocol and follow it, it works. I did not start the therapy until I had my peyronies for about 13 years. I can tell you it works.

Any questions on using the VED Old Man or myself will be glad to assist.

Jackp