VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Old Man]

Wayne:

Yes, the basic part of this "new" product is the same as the original Vitality Plus OTC three cylinder VED. Augusta Medical now sells an assembled VED like the one that Fitzz was making up for sale. The Fitzz made up VED package consisted of the basic Vitality one cylinder unit and then they added two more cylinders to make up the Plus package. Augusta asked them to cease selling this unit as Augusta was now selling a similar unit, but at a much higher price.

Fitzz and Augusta worked out a deal where Fitz could still sell the Vitality one cylinder VED and then make extra cylinders available for the forum members. The link to the exact web site of the new VED three cylinder package is listed in the VED board topics and is shown in your quoted message in your post immediately below this post. The general public does not have access to this VED as it is reserved for forum members per their president.

So, to get the three cylinder package VED as they furnished before, simply go to that link, select the basic unit and then add the cylinders you would like by clicking on each one individually. This will give one the same package as the original three cylinder VED under the name of the Vitality Plus OTC three cylinder. There is no promo code as far as I know to get any additional discounted price.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

Old Man

[wayne999]

Old Man: Is this the same device as before? I just seem to remember the graphic being different, and vaguely recall the "vitality OTC" as being a different product to the product you kept referring to (the one that came with 3 cylinders etc - ).....although i could be wrong.

Also what was the coupon code, has it been updated ?   I am debating about whether to get this or try and purchase a home-made type device.

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

UPDATE TO POST 2479 BELOW......

Received the following email today from the Fitzz Company. It should be self explanatory, but anyone has a question about the link that Mark has provided for our use, please call him at the number listed therein. Will keep everyone updated should there be any changes to this procedure. Please note that now, when ordering the VED listed in this link, you must add the additional cylinders to the basic package to make it a three cylinder VED unit.

You must copy and past the link to your web browser to have access to this special package VED unit and to get the pricing structure that Mark has allowed for members on the forum.

Old Man


Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes.)


My team has devised a way to satisfy Augusta and still maintain the purchase ease for your members.


You can still use the link to the product previously available.  This just won't be easily found on our store without the link.


The specific product link is: http://www.fitzz.com/Vacuum-Therapy-System-Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html


I'm sorry to make this so complicated but we are just trying to help the guys out and keep the manufacturer happy.


Again, feel free to give  me a call next week if you have any questions.


Thank you.


 

Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com

[Fred22]

Angus,

Thanks for sharing this information.  I've just recently started VED therapy and have had to stop each time after 2 or 3 days due to pain.  I don't think it's due to overpumping though.  I had pain for a year before I had any curvature and after almost 4 years still have some pain on an almost daily basis.  So...I'm trying to gather as much information as possible regarding how others are approaching this therapy.  I do want to resume very soon and this time I'd like to be able to stick with it.  Thanks again.

Fred

[Angus]

No problem, Fred. Keep in mind that I started VED therapy before the 26 week protocol came about. Also I made my own VED's to save money. The tubes are used are the same size as those used in the 3 tube protocol. The thing I did a little different from the protocol was to use all three tubes per session instead of using only one tube for a week. I would start with the small 1.5 inch tube as a warmup and get a good stretch and go maybe 5 or 6 cycles (pump, hold, release). I would move to the medium tube and do 5 or 6 cycles, then move to the large tube and do 5 or 6 cycles. I would hold each cycle for all tubes about 15 or 20 seconds but no longer, then release. Wait 10 or 15 seconds then do another cycle. I would rotate tubes until 20 or 30 minutes had gone by. I didn't approach this as rocket science and would sometimes skip a tube one day and just do the small tube or the medium tube, but usually cycled through all 3 tubes. I rarely missed a day but when I did I tried to pick up after a vacation or something. Whether a man follows the protocol to the letter or mixes up the tube sizes like I did I believe is not quite as important as committment to an extended length of time for this type of rehab to work, and not skipping days or weeks or months.

[Fred22]

    The VED protocol is a 26 week outline of a succession of varied cycles with different sized tubes. This does not mean that in 26 weeks you are done. This is physical therapy that is correcting a difficult thing to correct and must be done consistently for a long time for it to work. This therapy took me well over a year to produce results. At six months (26 weeks) I had small changes but not enough. After a year or a little more of use I saw a reduction from 45 degrees of curve to less than 10 degrees. I use the VED's as a supplemental therapy to this day. This is no different from physical therapy for shoulder surgery, knee surgery, strained muscles, ligaments or any other type of injury in that the therapy must be done every day to work. You can skip a day every now and then, but not much. To me, 20 or 30 minutes a day for a little over a year was a small price to pay for getting rid of most of that curve. Think of it as 12 or more hours a month given up to do VED therapy. Give up 12 hours of television a month for a year or so; television these days isn't that good anyway.
    If you just dabble at VED therapy and do it for a few months every few days, it's not going to work. Only the motivated VED user is going to get results. I would think that getting rid of a curve would be motivation enough to get a man to commit to VED therapy. Consider the cost of the VED's and the small cost of lubricant as an investment, not an inconvenience. But the user must commit and do the WORK. This is not a magic bullet pill or wonder of science that straightens a man out; it is old fashioned work and committment.

Angus,

You may have done so already, but if it's not too much trouble could you share with us your daily routine RE VED therapy?  You said 20 to 30 minutes daily.  Could you just describe your typical daily VED session from start to finish?  Thanks.

Fred

[Angus]

    The VED protocol is a 26 week outline of a succession of varied cycles with different sized tubes. This does not mean that in 26 weeks you are done. This is physical therapy that is correcting a difficult thing to correct and must be done consistently for a long time for it to work. This therapy took me well over a year to produce results. At six months (26 weeks) I had small changes but not enough. After a year or a little more of use I saw a reduction from 45 degrees of curve to less than 10 degrees. I use the VED's as a supplemental therapy to this day. This is no different from physical therapy for shoulder surgery, knee surgery, strained muscles, ligaments or any other type of injury in that the therapy must be done every day to work. You can skip a day every now and then, but not much. To me, 20 or 30 minutes a day for a little over a year was a small price to pay for getting rid of most of that curve. Think of it as 12 or more hours a month given up to do VED therapy. Give up 12 hours of television a month for a year or so; television these days isn't that good anyway.
    If you just dabble at VED therapy and do it for a few months every few days, it's not going to work. Only the motivated VED user is going to get results. I would think that getting rid of a curve would be motivation enough to get a man to commit to VED therapy. Consider the cost of the VED's and the small cost of lubricant as an investment, not an inconvenience. But the user must commit and do the WORK. This is not a magic bullet pill or wonder of science that straightens a man out; it is old fashioned work and committment.

[Old Man]

bummedout:

Yes, I realize that you were kidding and that is the reason that I said there would be no comment from me. You see, I have been blasted OH so many times about being a spammer, a shill for the company that makes VEDs and other names associated with that subject.

On the old forum, there was another guy using the name Old Man and we never knew who was talking for who was posting at any time. That is one reason that I came over to this one and you know the rest of the story.

BTW, I have just updated the Fitzz web site program where the earlier email from the company said they could no longer honor on line orders. Today, I updated post 2479 to show that there is now a way to order on line, but one must use the link shown in the latest post just below this one.

Now about the VED usage - you said that you were not using it on a regular basis. This is really a mistake on your part since regular use of the VED provides the ultimate in results. Occasionally using a VED just simply cannot keep up the blood flow that does the most good. So, I strongly urge and recommend to you that you should get back on the routine and stay with the protocol.

Let me know if I can help at any time with any questions about VED usage.

Regards, Old Man

[bummedout]

Despise:

I've had Peyronies Disease for a little over 2 years now.  I had at one point used the VED everyday for about 3 months, but I just didn't notice any real sustained improvement, except directly after use.  I might try again consistently, but for now I'm just gonna' wait until I see this next doctor, and choose a course of action then.  Good luck.

bummed

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

UPDATE TO POST 2479 BELOW......

Received the following email today from the Fitzz Company. It should be self explanatory, but anyone has a question about the link that Mark has provided for our use, please call him at the number listed therein. Will keep everyone updated should there be any changes to this procedure. Please note that now, when ordering the VED listed in this link, you must add the additional cylinders to the basic package to make it a three cylinder VED unit.

You must copy and past the link to your web browser to have access to this special package VED unit and to get the pricing structure that Mark has allowed for members on the forum.

Old Man


Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes.)


My team has devised a way to satisfy Augusta and still maintain the purchase ease for your members.


You can still use the link to the product previously available.  This just won't be easily found on our store without the link.


The specific product link is: http://www.fitzz.com/Vacuum-Therapy-System-Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html


I'm sorry to make this so complicated but we are just trying to help the guys out and keep the manufacturer happy.


Again, feel free to give  me a call next week if you have any questions.


Thank you.


 

Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com

[despise]

Old Man, just so you know, I was sincerely kidding.......as an update though, I've been rarely using my VED.......it does seem to stretch me out a bit when I do use it, but only short term......I just haven't used it as consistently as I should to truly make my judgement of it.  I am going back to another doctor for a third opinion though in a couple of weeks, doctor Mulhall.  I think I'm going to try to get a prescription for Cialis or something.  I'm just sort of waiting in Limbo right now, hoping that maybe the Xiaflex thing will happen.

Bummedout I don't understand why you aren't using the VED consistently. I haven't been using the VED more than a month, but I can tell you It makes a huge difference in repairing the plaque. Do you know where you plaque is? I am guessing you are in the early stages of peyronies, so you don't see much improvement with the VED, but that would only be because the plaque hasn't yet calcified completely, which is a good thing! That means you need to get as much blood flow in there to help heal it now. I'm not as knowledgable about peyronies as other members in here, but I believe what I am saying is correct. If it is not someone please rephrase me or correct me. VED seems to be the only real treatment with positive benefit other than hot baths, but I think that has actually hardened my plaque even more. So I am relying fully on the VED and a couple of oral medications such as L-arginine and Vitamin E full spec, at this time. I sure wish I would have gotten the VED in the early stages of my peyronies.

[bummedout]

Old Man, just so you know, I was sincerely kidding.......as an update though, I've been rarely using my VED.......it does seem to stretch me out a bit when I do use it, but only short term......I just haven't used it as consistently as I should to truly make my judgement of it.  I am going back to another doctor for a third opinion though in a couple of weeks, doctor Mulhall.  I think I'm going to try to get a prescription for Cialis or something.  I'm just sort of waiting in Limbo right now, hoping that maybe the Xiaflex thing will happen.

[Old Man]

Tigman:

Sorry to learn that you have joined the ranks of the Peyronies Disease family! Yes, it does take a bit of practice to get the hang of using a VED properly and to get a good seal when using it.

You might want to try the Wal Mart Equate Personal Lubricant brand they sell. It costs just a bit over $2.00 per tube and works equally well as the KY or the brand that came with the VED. So give it a try before spending as much as you say in your post.

Let me know if I can help with your VED protocol in any way.

Old Man

[Tigman]

I've been reading the forum for a while and finally bought the three cylinder system recently. I started practicing with it and ran into the same problem that despise is talking about. I tried a product called Allation which is a slightly cheaper version of Astroglide and sold at Walgreens. That made a big difference for me but it's pretty expensive ($10 for 5oz). It's not a monumental amount of money since I don't use very much each time, so I'm happy with it. By the way, let me thank all of you (Old Man, Angus, etc), for all your input here!

[Old Man]

bummedout:

I won't even address that comment!! If by now everyone does not know that I work for no company, just for the interest of the many sufferers on this forum I offer no apology. Thanks for your support anyway.

Old Man

[bummedout]

Old Man, are you working for Fitzz? ...........kidding

[Old Man]

NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS:

I have received an email today from the Fitzz Company that they can no longer supply on line orders for  the Vitaility Plus OTC Vacuum Erection Device at the price they have been charging for members on the Peyronies Disease Forum. Shown below is the email that I received today. Please take notice of its contents and abide by its request. Orders at the same price can be placed by phone as stated until the Fitzz company updates it web site in accordance with the Augusta Medical Systems' requirements.  Old Man

Dear Mr. (Name deleted for personal privacy purposes)


We have been notified by Augusta Medical this afternoon that we are no longer able to offer the Multi-cylinder system for sale - online...


They are carrying the system for over $600 on their site and wish to maintain exclusivity.


That being said, they have allowed us to maintain the system for our current pricing for your organization and members but the orders must be phoned in for now.  We will probably be able to put a special link up for your members after 30 days but for now the orders must be phoned in.  So if you can update your forum for the members to call our Toll Free Number 866-813-3621 to place the order we would appreciate it.  


We are apparently the only organization offer the ability to resell this system (and we can offer it at a reduced price).


Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.


Thank you and have a great weekend.


Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
 
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641
 
Email:  mark.osenga@fitzz.com
Website:  www.fitzz.com











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[Old Man]

despise:

Make absolutely certain that you are using a very good grade of lubrication. KY gel is the best overall, but costly. A lot of us are using the Wal Mart Equate brand of personal lubrication. The Equate brand sells for around $2.00 per tube. Both KY and the Equate lubes are water soluble. If yours is drying up quickly, you might want to get another brand.

The lube that comes with the Vitality Plus VED is almost like KY so it should be a good one. You can simply moisten the shaft after pumping a few cycles to see if that makes the lube more slippery or softens it.

You must be very careful not to overpump the pressure. Again, less is better than more with vacuum pressure using the VED. So be extra careful to pump less instead of more.

Keep us up to date on what is happening for you and if you have more questions, please ask.

Old Man

[despise]

I am having a lot penile skin pain and I am thinking it is due to the VED. I am putting plenty of lube on for the VED, but the lube seems to dry up and become sticky. It's so tender and raw that I'm actually not wanting to continue with treatment for 3 days before I see my fiance. Do you think I could possibly be over pumping and its stretching the skin to far? Or should I get a new type of lube? a answer before treatment tonight would be awesome guys! Thanks for all the help.

[jackp]

The question has been asked many times when should I start therapy for peyronies.

Vanderbilt is a world class center for men with all kinds of sexual function problems. One of our members that wishes to remain anonymous sent me this in an email:

I am still going strong on the VED, I am at day 84 of the 26 week protocol (with your input).  I seem to be noticing some length gains this week when I use the A cyclinder (which is encouraging).  I should have kept with the VED exercises when I started last May instead of listening to Dr. Levine (but all of this is a learning process from a variety of experts).  By the way, Todd D. informed me when we met that he thought VED exercise is most useful during the first 3 months of the onset of peyrones; however, he acknowledged that guys usually do not know what to do to combat the disease (or put themselves in a better medical postion) until well after the 3 month time period).

Guys if you are new to peyronies or have had it a while the recommendation is start VED therapy as soon as possible.  Go to the 26 week protocol and follow it, it works. I did not start the therapy until I had my peyronies for about 13 years. I can tell you it works.

Any questions on using the VED Old Man or myself will be glad to assist.

Jackp

[Angus]

   Thanks for offering to share left over tubing; that is great. This is a good reminder on the forum that making your own VED tubes is a viable option. Many, including myself, have made VED tubes with great success. Help can be obtained from those of us here who have made these in the past.

[alfapd]

When purchased a Vitality Plus unit from Fitzz they did not have the 3 cylinder option, so I bought some 1.5 and 1.7 inch ID acrylic tubing and made my own inserts.  I have some tubing left and will share with the group.  Send me a PM to inquire.

[Hightemp]

Iceman,
I brought it up with my uro, but he was not familiar with its use for Peyronies. He is currently looking into it. He is pretty open to new treatment techniques, so I somewhat confident that he will issue a prescription fairly soon.

[Iceman]

hightemp - have you tried pentox.... and welcome to our brotherhood - the next 2 years will be exciting for you

[Tim468]

"More blood & Larger erections= more pronounced curves"

I think that might be it - if the stretchy part stretches more and the scarred part does not... more bend or dent would be apparent.

Tim

[Hightemp]

I have a question for those who may have had similar experiences whist using the VED.

My Uro has confirmed that I have Peyronies. He could not find any evidence of plaque during my recent examination, but my curvature is definitely apparent. We discussed possible courses of action and he agreed that the VED protocol might be helpful. He also prescribed 5mg Cialis daily, saying that while I did not need it to achieve an erection, it would help increase blood flow through out my penis.

So, I have been on the Cialis for 12 days, and I am also 12 days into the VED protocol. While I still can't achieve what I would call a typical erection using the VED, I have always, and continue to be able to achieve erections when sexually excited. However, after 12 days of therapy, my curvature appears to be worse, or at least more exaggerated. I have no pain and I am certain that I have not injured myself in any way, but damned if the upward bend, as well as the bend to the left don't look more pronounced.

Has anyone else experienced similar results? The Cialis seems to be working. My erections are far more frequent, and seem to be larger. Could this be what I am experiencing? Cialis + VED = More blood & Larger erections= more pronounced curves?

[despise]

eh nvm about my last post, i waited a day to let it heal and the stretch marks have faded. I woke up with my first strong erection since Ive gotten peyronies and I can positively say its thank to the ved =]

[despise]

Anyone ever get stretch marks on the head from the ved? I'm assuming I am enlarging my penis to much, but there doesn't seem to matter if I enlarge a little bit or a lot, because the head always enlarges fully.

[skunkworks]

I don't understand how you get the medium and small cylinder hooked up to the manual pump. The large cylinder is perfect size and just hooks right on where the other ones are to small.

The smaller cylinders go inside the large cylinder. You really need to read this thread, the 3 cylinder treatment protocol, and the instructions that come with the VED.

[Old Man]

despise:

Read my PM to you. Slow down, you are getting too anxious and impatient! Now that you caused damage to your shaft, you must, repeat MUST NOT pump again until the damage heals.

I gave you all the necessary instructions to assemble and use the VED in my PM to you just a few minutes ago. So read them, wait until your penis heals and then start over on a more milder basis. Again, don't get too anxious with procedure. VED therapy is not an overnight therapy. You must work slow with caution and patience.

Old Man

[despise]

and when i try to use it with the big cylinder it just pulls up skin and blood around my penis.

[despise]

I don't understand how you get the medium and small cylinder hooked up to the manual pump. The large cylinder is perfect size and just hooks right on where the other ones are to small.

[despise]

I got my vitality 3 cylinder ved but don't know how to use it! gah can anyone help me out?

[Old Man]

Hightemp and Fred22:

OK, since both of you experience similar conditions when using the VED therapy, will answer you both in one post. Yes, you should keep up a daily schedule of therapy exercises. You are on the right track about using less pressure for lessor periods of holding time. What you need to do is get your penises "used to" the added blood flow.

Probably both of you have not had real good firm erections for quite some period of time, the erectile tissue has not been expanded as much as the VED does. So, err on the side of caution and not over pump.

Hightemp: My experience in VED therapy has shown that the battery powered models do have a tendency to overpump the pressure, so be careful to shut it off before you reach your comfort level. Holding the pressure will continue to draw in blood until the pressure equalizes. Again, err on the side of caution.

Now, bottom line to both of you, keep up the schedule, just adjust the time and pressure to suit your individual desires/needs.
VED therapy is a case where less is much better than more.

Old Man

[Hightemp]

As it so happens, I am at about the same place in my protocol as you. I too "practiced" for about three weeks before deciding to start the full protocol. I have experienced many of the same things you describe, but I may characterize the "pain" differently. I guess it depends upon each individuals pain threshold.

I have decided on a 2-3 second pump, enough to feel a gentle pull ( I have the battery operated model ), then hold it for 15 to 20 seconds, I then release the vacuum and wait approximately 2 minutes before repeating.

I tend to characterize my sensation more as a feeling of slight discomfort akin to a very dull ache, not unlike what one may feel in a muscle ( no pun intended ) after a moderate work out. Not pain in the sense that you know that you hurt yourself, but enough of a sensation that you know it's there. I have seen no evidence of trauma. No bruising, no discoloration other than the observation that there is more blood in the tissue that was subjected to vacuum pressure than the tissue that was outside of the VED, and no tenderness to the touch after VED use. I am assuming that these feelings are normal since ones penis is not normally subjected to a vacuum environment. As many have said, "listen to your body, it should tell you if what you are doing is ok or not."

I am by no means an expert, or could I even be classified as "experienced". I'll leave that to Old Man and others who have been dealing with this condition much longer than I, but I am not going to give up on this approach. I just wanted you to know that you are not alone in what you are experiencing.

[Fred22]

Last Wednesday was day 3 of the 26 week protocol for me (although I had done a few "warmup" sessions for a few days before).  Monday and Tuesday went pretty well, with only minor discomfort.  However, after Wednesday's session I was sore for the rest of the day.  Not severe pain, but moderate pain/discomfort.  I've been very careful about not overpumping or holding too long.  After Wednesday, I skipped the next 4 days and resumed today with an even less aggressive approach, pumping less and holding for no more than around 5 seconds.  I had only minor discomfort before today's session but it increased and now 4 hours later I'm still hurting a bit (not unbearable pain, but more than before the session).  I'm really determined to give this therapy a fair trial, especially after paying over $250 for the unit.  I'm a music teacher and I tell my students that the important thing regarding practice is to do it daily.  IOW, It's better to do 15 minutes every day than to skip a few days and then practice for 30 minutes or an hour.  I'm wondering if the same is not true of VED therapy, ie. a little bit each day is best, even if you're only able to do 2 or 3 pumps and hold for a few seconds and maybe do 5 cycles building up gradually.  I'm wondering if the experienced users (Old Man) agree with this approach, or have any words of advice for me.  As I've said many times before, pain is one of my major issues with this condiditon and from what I read on the forum, I'm in the minority, with many having only minor discomfort with erections and others never experiencing pain.  I'm faced with the rather daunting task of trying to work out a daily routine that will yield significant benefits and yet not exacerbate the pain.

Fred   

[Old Man]

Woodman:

I don't really think you should be too concerned about the size of your penis while using the small A cylinder. Since it is rather small and is designed to hold the shaft in a confined space to help it get pulled in length rather expand in diameter. This phase of the protocol is really meant to do that. As you progress to the B and C cylinders you will see a drastic difference in the size and shape that the shaft will take on.

Once you reach the C cylinder schedule of the protocol, you will by time have gotten your penis "used" to the added expansion and it will expand to its fullest. A natural erection depends solely on the pressure of your heart to develop so it will not necessarily be larger or harder than the VED developed erection. The VED can and will give one the best erection they ever had, but remember that too much pressure is not the way to go. If you intend to use the VED for erections, be extremely careful to let your penis develop to what you desire in an erection. The penis will expand a small amount after you place the retainer ring on the shaft so practice using the retainer rings prior to actually having sexual intercourse. IOW, practice makes perfect and that is what you need to do with the VED.

You are right, it takes time for your penis erectile tissue to develop to its original size and shape before Peyronies Disease struck, so use your best judgment when doing the VED exercises.

Let me know if you have any further questions. And, Happy Pumping!!!

Old Man

[cowboyfood]

...and Pentox use over the last year has had a profound affect on my ability to have almost daily nighttime erections.

CBF,

Have you been on pentox for more than 6 months?

I started using Pentox last May with a 6 month Rx.  The uro just refilled it, so I've been taking 3x 400mg pills daily for about 7 months.

[Woodman]

Thank You Old Man. I tried what you advised me and it seems to be working alot better. I am using more lube in the cylinder and on the penis being careful not to get any too close to the base or scrotum.

Should I be concerned with my erection length in VED vs my natural erection. My natural erection is considerably longer then my erection with the VED. My thinking is it will take time to get my tissue use to stretching again since I havent used the VED in a while. Is the difference in the erection sizes normal.

Thanks Again

Woodman

[bart15]

...and Pentox use over the last year has had a profound affect on my ability to have almost daily nighttime erections.

CBF,

Have you been on pentox for more than 6 months? More than a year? Did your uro prescribe the 6 months repeats more than once then?

Bart

[cowboyfood]

... One interesting thing, which may be purely coincidental, but since I started taking the Advil I haven't had any nightime or AM erections.  This AM I even had a very erotic dream and when I awakened..no erection.  P

Fred

Hey, others may need to back me up on this, but, although an erotic dream may cause a "nighttime" erection, these are not the "nighttime" erections the forum generally refers to, but instead, the forum refers to the body's natural system of producing an erection regardless of any visual/mental stimulation.

One thing I've noticed is that compared to this time last year, I get almost daily "nighttime" erections now, whereas before I do not think I had nearly as frequent ones.  I believe the VED, every other nightly dose of Viagra (25mg), and Pentox use over the last year has had a profound affect on my ability to have almost daily nighttime erections.

I usually get them between 6 and 7 am, or maybe an hour or so earlier.  However, if I'm up late, say past 2am (I'm in law school) and get up early, say 7am, I may not have one.

CF

[Fred22]

CBF- Thanks. Sounds like good advice.  I just finished a session and feel a little tender, but, as you say, I think it's just that my penis is not used to getting stretched.  I was a little more aggressive today, but still pretty careful.  I've been taking 800 mg Advil 2X a day for the last couple of weeks and it seems to be helping some with the pain.  I actually had a couple of pain free days, one of which was Christmas day, for which I'm very grateful.  It was my one year old grandson's first Christmas and I had a wonderful family day.  The discomfort has retruned to some degree and I was rather reluctant to begin the VED therapy, but I don't think it's really making it any worse.  Could even be helping some...we'll see.  One interesting thing, which may be purely coincidental, but since I started taking the Advil I haven't had any nightime or AM erections.  This AM I even had a very erotic dream and when I awakened..no erection.  Perhaps I've (in the words of the inimitable Willie Nelson), outlived my dick....Hope not!  Thanks for your support and happy new year!

Fred

[cowboyfood]

... How do you know if you're overpumping?  I pump 2 to four times, wait 3 to 5 seconds then pump again, but as soon as I feel any discomfort I stop.  I'm getting a pretty good stretch with the A cylinder, but not a real strong erection (not hard).  Should I be working toward achieving a really hard erection or just stretching the penis?  I don't want to be overly cautious and minimize possible benefits, but OTOH don't want to injure myself.  
Fred

Fred, I judge whether I am overpumping by measuring my penis while using the VED and most importantly whether I feel any discomfort.  (I marked the outside of the "C" cylinder with a marker indicating measurements...just a couple that shows me when my engorged penis is stretched to a length similar to my natural erect penis).

Recognize that since you are in the begining stages of VED use that you may feel discomfort after a session simply because your penis is not used to being stretched by a VED.  I believe this type of discomfort is normal and not a sign of overpumping, but a sign that you just began using a VED.

Initially, be overcautious and actually "underpump."  That way you get the benefit of establishing the habit of VED usage, get familiar with the VED, and do not cause any discomfort associated with overpumping.  The longer you use the VED the easier it will be for you to maximize the benefits received from VED usage.

However, you need to fight off the temptation to get maximum stretches while just beginning VED usage.  I'm in the middle of my second protocol and looking back I can see that it took me several months to get really accommodated with the VED.

So, take it easy and get in the habit of VED usage.  

Also, a semantic point, refer to an "engorged" penis as opposed to an "erect" penis when describing the shape of it during VED usage.  You're not trying to achieve an erection, but instead, trying to engorged the penis.

Always remember, this is a long-term treatment.  I look at it through the following perspective.  Imagine yourself a year and a half from now.  Which story to do want to be able to tell at that time, (a) I tried the VED for a few weeks but decided it was not worth the effort, or (b) I stuck to a daily routine of VED usage and eventually became very adapt at its usage and (potentially) I see (maybe significant) benefits because of its use?


IMO, it sounds to me like your cycle routine is fine.
CF

[Fred22]

skunkworks:

Yes, you are right there about the sizing inserts. Caution is the watchword in any VED exercise. One must be careful not to overpump the pressure or hold the pressure too long at a time. Edema can and will result when the pressure is too high or held too long. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more.

So, again use caution with VED therapy, whether or not you dealing with the pressure or the lubrication factor. Lubrication in the right places is the key to successful therapy sessions. However, one should not allow the scrotum tissue to be pulled into the cylinders and at all costs.

Old Man

I've just started the VED...a couple of "trial runs".  How do you know if you're overpumping?  I pump 2 to four times, wait 3 to 5 seconds then pump again, but as soon as I feel any discomfort I stop.  I'm getting a pretty good stretch with the A cylinder, but not a real strong erection (not hard).  Should I be working toward achieving a really hard erection or just stretching the penis?  I don't want to be overly cautious and minimize possible benefits, but OTOH don't want to injure myself.  My problem is I've had pretty much constant discomfort or pain for going on four years so I'm starting out with a certain level of discomfort.  So what are the immediate signs of overpumping?

Fred

[jackp]

Bart

KY is fine but if you want to save some money go to Walmart and get the store brand. I found it worked just a good as the name brands.

Jackp

[bart15]

Hey,

Are we supposed to use a water-based, water-soluble lubricant for the VED? Is something like the K-Y Jelly adequate?

Bart

[skunkworks]

Hey that is a really good idea!

[Jackieo]

Hi, guys.
I feel I need to voice an "option" to the guys who, like me, are experiencing the occasional problem with their scrotum skin being sucked into the VED.
I found a "ball strap" at a local leather shop (no....that is not my "thing" and I was a bit nervous walking into the shop....).  The straps come in various widths and lengths as well as snap-fasten or Velcro.  I have not had any problems since I started wearing the strap.
Also, I found that there are many different qualities of water-based lube available.  At the upper end of the expense meter is one by brand name "Maximus".  I have not had any pain (or burn sensations) since using it.
Best of luck.
JackieO

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

Yes, you are right there about the sizing inserts. Caution is the watchword in any VED exercise. One must be careful not to overpump the pressure or hold the pressure too long at a time. Edema can and will result when the pressure is too high or held too long. VED therapy is a case where less is better than more.

So, again use caution with VED therapy, whether or not you dealing with the pressure or the lubrication factor. Lubrication in the right places is the key to successful therapy sessions. However, one should not allow the scrotum tissue to be pulled into the cylinders and at all costs.

Old Man

[skunkworks]

I just find that if any lube gets on the very base of the penis (where it meets the scrotum) and the bottom of the sizing insert (the rim), it is far more likely that the scrotum willl be pulled in. This is just my experience though. I should have said only with the larger inserts, as noone should be having issues with the scrotum being pulled in while using the smallest tube and insert.

It's a pretty safe bet that you should be listening to old man over me though

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

I disagree with the statement in your post to Woodman about not getting lube on the base of ones penis or the sizing inserts. This can only lead to irritation of the skin and possibly the upper part of the scrotum. The shaft of ones penis must be able to slip easily into and out of the mouth of the cylinder(s) and if no lube is on the sizing insert, it just will not slip easily. I know, have been through many trial and error periods with VED usage and have experienced just about any and all problems. Lastly on this thought, the lube provides a better sealing action to allow for more vacuum pressure without pumping many cycles. The seal must be maintained at all times during the entire therapy session or else leakage of vacuum occurs and the pressure is lost. This has been a problem with many guys new to the VED therapy.

There are many posts in the VED board under the various topics that strongly suggest that no lube be gotten on the scrotum to prevent it being pulled into the cylinder during pumping exercises. And, there are many posts suggesting that plenty lube be used on the shaft and inside the cylinders to prevent any irritation while pumping cycles are being performed to preclude any possible injury to the skin, etc.

Anyway, hopefully, he can get his exercise cycles back on track and see some success with the VED therapy. VED therapy is not for those who are looking for an overnight "cure", it just doesn't happen that way.

Old Man