VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[newguy]

Has anybody here ever had direct contact with Chris Spuvey (Spivey Protocol)? He could perhaps provide additional insights beyond his existing statements.

[newguy]

bertie - As Hawk says, there's no official VED that is recommended, so you'll get a few different answers from people, and some people even made their own. The VED I bought a while back is from Boston Pump. I can't really complain about the pump and cylinders other than to say that it took ages to arrive. A month or so. It's probably not a bad choice tho.

[Hawk]

As an organization we do not endorse products.  There are a couple issue:

Cost
Quality/durability
single Vs multiple cylinder

Outside of these, a vacuum is a vacuum.  You can buy a 3 cylinder type of easily make one.

[bertie67]

I am willing to try the VED. Does the Peyronies Disease Society recommend any particular product? Can they be purchased here in the UK? Is there any website where one can purchase a VED suitable for Peyronies Disease? I am new to all this.

[Iceman]

ive got a new name for VED its called the PERI PUMP...i tell my girlfriend that im just peri pumping ---- sounds more friendly..

[skunkworks]

Oh I'm sold on VED, I just have to figure out what device/where etc. Being in Aus I may not have the same purchase options, and my local hardware store did not have that kind of pump as listed below.

What name would be used for the pump part itself in a hardware store? I was going to buy the pump cheaply and get the tubs from somewhere reputable.

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

No, not total reversal, but enough that I see no visible symptoms. There is only a very small indentation on the left of the shaft where the largest plaque and indentation were during the several bouts of Peyronies Disease over the years.

After the first 6 months, I had no visible signs, continued on for another 6 months with the VED exercises to be certain that I had given it enough time for the VED to do its job.

I firmly believe that you should continue on with the VED exercises so that you can be certain that VED therapy is not for you. It is known that it does not work for all Peyronies Disease cases, but the percentage of results is very high. I know of no qualified clinical trials that have been published showing the percentage rate of successes with VED therapy. There was a study being performed in a clinic in Birmingham, AL, but to date their report has not been published. That study was done with a three cylinder model VED which is why we on the forum are using that model now. In my case, my therapy was originally done with a one cylinder model, but now I am using a three cylinder one just for maintenance to keep my penis more healthy.

Hope the above helps, and if you have other questions, feel free to ask.

Old Man

[skunkworks]

In my individual case, it took about one year of VED usage to realize the success that happened for me. Today, I have few, if any, signs of Peyronies Disease symptoms. I still use the VED at least three or four times a week for maintenance to keep me healthy down there.

You have seen close to total reversal?

[newguy]

bummedout - Some factors that impact results are likely out of our control (perhaps thickness of plaque - some peoples plaque areas possibly have a greater percentage of semi-normal tissue - just my theory). Still, many factors ARE in your control, and before you can be sure that VED use isn't for you I'd definitely say that it's worth giving it two cycles - so basically a year. As OldMan states many seasoned VED users here had to work at it for several months before they saw results. Even in the worse case scenario where you don't see results, you can at least legitimately say that you really did make sure that it wasn't for you (as opposed to getting disheartened and giving up). Not to mention that it will have kept the penile tissue get a good work out, and maybe even help with erection quality.

[Old Man]

bummedout:

You have not been using the VED therapy long enough to realize large improvement(s). Some of us used the VED for many months before realizing good results. In some cases, the penile plaque, indentations and other symptoms take longer to show any improvement. However, the daily use of the VED can and will help in most cases. At least, the constant daily stretching of the penile tissue will give you a much more health penis.

In my individual case, it took about one year of VED usage to realize the success that happened for me. Today, I have few, if any, signs of Peyronies Disease symptoms. I still use the VED at least three or four times a week for maintenance to keep me healthy down there.

You should try to have enough patience to stay with the VED protocol through the entire 26 week course. You might need to do another 26 week course to reap the full benefit of VED therapy.

Good luck to you and keep up the schedule.

Old Man

[bummedout]

Ok, so after 2 months now, no improvement.  My plaques are just as hard as they were before I started.  After using it I have a larger flacid penis....whoop!  My goals with the VED were to have a more rigid penis while having an erection and to get rid of the indentations I have, but I still just don't theoretically understand how a VED will do this.  It is also my goal to have this happen while I'm not using the VED.  While or after using the VED I guess maybe it's kinda working, but when I wake up in the morning my erection is not at all rigid where my plaques are indentation are very noticeable.  I get the feeling that the people who have had any kind of success with this, only have success while or after they are using it.  Is this true?  Anyway, I'll keep at it, and I'm going to a "specialist" in a couple weeks.  Maybe he can guide me more.  Until next month........

[Hawk]

I won't have much empirical evidence to start with but will post my findings after I receive the VED and get started.

At least 2 objective measurements:

1. Stretched length with a ruler pressed against the pubic bone
2. degree of bent

also a tiny mark a few days after getting used to the VED.  A mark on the large cylinder wall showing pumped length and finally note girth by the degree you fill one of the 3 cylinders (at the end of a session).  Compare every month.

[BSSS]

well, I took the plunge and ordered the three cylinder VED.  Since I won't see the uro till December I won't have much empirical evidence to start with but will post my findings after I receive the VED and get started.

Thanks,
BSSS

[BSSS]

thanks for the welcome Hawk and moving the post in the right direction!

[Hawk]

BSSS,  Welcome!

I have both a traction device and a single cylinder VED.

If you are not sure you are committed to wearing the traction at least 3 hours a day (not without a break), then I would buy a good VED or make a VED.

If I was committed I would buy the traction device and later make a VED if you want both.  This is one man's opinion and there are probably 40 different opinions.

Hawk


PS: in an instance like yours, either topic would have been good to post in.  I will move this to the VED Board

[BSSS]

don't know where the proper place to post this is, but here goes anyway.

I'm pretty sure I'm a victim of Peyronie's. 

Not a laughing matter I know but am looking for a little direction.

I'm 52, and about 6 months to 8 months ago began to notice a nodule on the top side about midway between the glans and my abdomen.  I told my GP about what was happening, he's usually a good doctor, but didn't bother to look and said it sounded like Peyronie's.  Also referred me to a urologist.  Problem is the uro didn't have an appt available until 12-10. I'll be going then.  Anyway, I'm eager to get started and to try to improve.  It has affected my sex life for sure....never been painful but I do have a really good upward turn.  I've always had some upwardness along with not being too overly endowed, but it's never been a problem.  The last time the missus and I acted on the urge she mentioned it felt different enough to be slightly painful for her.

I'm in the market for either a stretcher or a VED.  I know there are threads for each approach, I've been reading them already.  I just didn't know which thread to post on! 
I looked at the Fastsize site and saw some of the pics of guys wearing the stretcher and the device looked like a torture tool on some of them, but as some state, the VED doesn't stretch as much?

I'm ready to spend my first $200 on a method to try and improve but am certain which way to go.  I don't want to wait till December really, but have read that you should wait for a certain amount of time before therapy?

Really, everything I've read just is pretty confusing and we're already pretty frustrated. Seems this trip could be a lot of trial and error.


Advice anyone?

Thanks!

BSSS

[Old Man]

Toby:

I agree with Hawk on this one. The VED does not pull venous blood into the penile chambers, only arterial blood. However, having gotten the varicose veins back again might indicate that you might have used too much vacuum pressure while pumping. So, be over cautious when using the VED and not overpump the pressure. VED therapy is a case where more is not better, less if anything works best.

Neither have I ever heard of the VED therapy causing varicose veins in any instance.

Old Man

[Hawk]

If you got varicose veins prior to using the VED then I think the recurrence likely had to do with that tendency and not the VED.  I also refute the statement there is more pressure on the veins in the scrotum or on the testicles from a ved unless they repeatedly got pulled into the tube.

Just my guess.  I never heard of another account of varicose veins and VED use.

[Toby]

Hi all. Havent posted in a while. I was wondering if anyone else has had problems with varicose veins developing on the testes after using the ved. I had varicose veins repaired with a varicocle embolization technique about 2 years ago, but after using the ved they came back and now I have them on both testicles. After I use the ved I get a lot of pain on the outside of the right testicle where the varicose veins have developed. Its to the point where I think I may have to stop using the ved but I dont want to because it my only hope. My uro said they probably developed from the added pressures in the area,more blood flow. Any ideas?

[Old Man]

skunkworks:

No, emphatically no, VED usage does not cause any failure to achieve and hold a natural erection. The fact is, with proper usage and over a period of time, VED therapy can and will enhance ones ability to achieve a better natural erection.

In my case, after a radical prostatectomy in 1995 which rendered me completely impotent, a natural erection was out of the questin. After several years of VED therapy, I regained the ability to achieve an erection and with the aid of a restrictor ring to hold it up (have venous leakage) was able to have sex again. I still use the VED on occasion to achieve an erection for sex and just to keep the ability to do so viable. BTW, in one month I will be 80 years!

So, bottom line, proper use of a VED along with patience in using it can and will greatly assist one in achieving natural erections again.

Regards, OM

[j]

I made one and used it for a few months.  I think it helped.  It does require time, and privacy, which caused me to stop for several months, but I recently started using it again.

Skunkworks, the answer to your question is NO, in fact the opposite seemed to be true. 

[Mick]

No.

[skunkworks]

Does using a pump over the long term damage your ability to get a pump unassisted erection?

[Old Man]

learn4life:

Many thanks for those glowing remarks about VED therapy. Wish you well and continuing success in the future with your endeavor to beat this horrible disease/disorder. Just hope that others could realize the success you have had.

Old Man

[learn4life]

Just want to publicly Thank OldMan for all his contribution to the VED treatment.

I dont think i have posted since 2-3yrs ago but I would like to give my experience
on my 2 week La Pump Ved protocol.

1. Way softer plague scars .. to the point the scars have never been this soft before!
2. Harder and longer lasting erections.
3. More Spontaneous erections ...(Just finished 2 1/2 hrs weight and boxing workout.. went to
toilet and got a spontaneous erection after working out extremely intensely.. this has never happened before!)
4. By Far the most effective treatment Ive tried since having Peyronies since
mid teens for venous leakage and ED.
5.Producing girth and length growth .. most likely from the softnening of the
scars to give way for new, more tissue.
6.I had tried a cheap 20 bucks penile pump before but it was terrible ... i guess you get what you pay! ... it made my precum leakage way worse and stopped it immediately. Now with the La pump ved treament it seems to lessen precum leakage and when precum does leak it doesnt effect erection!

Could go on and on of the improvements ... its only been 2 weeks or so and wow ...

I wish i had started OldMans ved treatment 2-3 yrs ago when I first saw his thread but
was worried that it would cost more damage and thought it was expensive.

Sure it cost me over 350usd plus international shipping ... but it has been worth every penny
and more .. would happily pay extra if i knew it would give me this much improvement.


For about 10 yrs ive tried the following :

1. Dr Lins products, viagrowth vip cream
2. 2x a day Vit e/ borage oil massage
3. Thackers DMSO treatment
4. A whole bunch of supplements .. msm, l-arginine, carnitine etc etc too many too list
5. Uv light treatment
6. Cheap penile pump( Must of been 20 bucks ... should have bought one for Peyronies Disease!)

Possibly some more ... and i got to say nothing has compared to the VED treatment, Ved blows
everything else out the park .. wish i had started it years and years ago!

Although if i stay at it and be disciplined not to overpump, stay the course, Im
positive more improvement will definetly occur.

Anyways , just want to Thank OldMan again for his input .. without him
I wouldnt be experiencing this success so I wish you the best in life, OldMan!

All the best to all to getting by Peyronies Disease,

Sincerely,

Learn4life

[Angus]

im back on the VED and have been using it for about 18 months now - can any one here PLEASE let me know of their success with VED usage and give me a bit more motivation to continue its usage as I do need to hear something positive...

http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,466.msg13795.html#msg13795

Stick with it. Don't let Peyronies control or define you.

[jackp]

Iceman

If it were not for the VED and the exercise I would not have had a successful outcome. It helped me gain back length lost to peyronies that started in 1995.

I know it is draining but beside surgery it is the best option. IMHO

Jackp

[Iceman]

im back on the VED and have been using it for about 18 months now - can any one here PLEASE let me know of their success with VED usage and give me a bit more motivation to continue its usage as I do need to hear something positive - this is so so so so draining!!

[lwillisjr]

If you think about it stretching your penis will ruin the erection mechanism all together because you would be stretching that also. Also another thing is tearing your penis is most likely what caused peyronies disease in the first place. So stretching it out will likely cause more of a risk of damageing your penis further then it is or you can easily tear it if using this method "ved" . For example Just like lifting a really heavy box and you tear your arm its because you stretched it out.....

Noway,
First off.....   the VED/traction is gradually stretching your penis. So your analogy of "lifting a heavy box" isn't quite correct. It is a very gradual process. Also, I know very little about penis anatomy before I had Peyronies Disease, and now I consider myself quite versed after much study. If you follow the directions and advice you will not damage "the erection mechanism". It is quite a complex precess involving nerves, blood flow, hormones, etc.

There are several good reference sites online if you want to do some follow up.

[skunkworks]

Tim468 I dont understand this with the ved.. Your penis isnt made to be "stretched out" it will damage the erection process. So maybe your penis will be longer but you might tear it more or make yourself completely limp. Myself I wouldnt use this method.

Your penis stretches itself out every time you get an erection. In what way would it damage the erection process? Blood vessels are quite stretchy, especially with low traction over long periods of time.

The only part of the body that I would be worried about is the nerves as they do not stretch and grow back at a very slow rate, but apparently they have enough give/slack in the first place to accomodate a certain amount of stretching.

[newguy]

noway - the VED and traction are treatment options that have been useful for some men. If a person has an inherent weakness (which isn't the greatest surprise in people with peyronie's) on occasion people they can maybe worsen their condition through these techniques, though it does seem to be pretty rare (especially for the VED, where it's almost unheard of). For the majority I believe that these techniques can be used in moderation to regain some length. Studies confirm that for traction, and the results here should be confirmation enough for VED treatment.

Of course anything can happen, but typically I wouldn't comsider the kind of injury that can result in peyronies as being comparable with, say VED use for instance. With the VED you are  able to meaure how much pressure you apply.

[Noway]

If you think about it stretching your penis will ruin the erection mechanism all together because you would be stretching that also. Also another thing is tearing your penis is most likely what caused peyronies disease in the first place. So stretching it out will likely cause more of a risk of damageing your penis further then it is or you can easily tear it if using this method "ved" . For example Just like lifting a really heavy box and you tear your arm its because you stretched it out.....

[Noway]

Tim468 I dont understand this with the ved.. Your penis isnt made to be "stretched out" it will damage the erection process. So maybe your penis will be longer but you might tear it more or make yourself completely limp. Myself I wouldnt use this method.

[Angus]

     I've got shoes that are older than some of the computer experts that take the time out of their lives to post things like this. We'll leave the text for entertainment, but you'll notice the link was disabled shortly after the post was put up. So never fear... we'll be vigilant and watch for these types of posts. So rest easy everyone... and, have a good crabbed expansion 

[ocelot556]

The better should acquiesce you to abounding aggrandize alongside after constraint, and I anticipate of the B butt as acceptance abounding crabbed (girth) expansion, but with a bit of force activated to accomplish you straight.

Somewhere in that paragraph is the hidden cure for Peyronies Disease! I'm sure of it. ;>

[Tim468]

Rex, I'm, uh, thinking that English is your second language. That right?

Tim

[RexXar]

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[cowboyfood]

lwillisjr & CBK,

thanks for your observations regarding skin.  It's amazing how much I "pay attention" to my penis since I noticed my dent and began treatment.  I'm convinced that my heightened awareness of my penis has its blessings (and drawbacks! but, I've gotten better at not freaking out about an ache, discomfort, or slight pain). 

I'm also convinced that regular (daily) erections and VED stretching has helped.  Like I've stated before, Peyronies Disease notwithstanding, I bet my overall penile health has improved because of VED, pentox, Viagra, supplements, exercise, and diet.

[Ad Quem]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder? 

Okay this is my first comment here. I haven't heard of this process. My doctor didn't suggest it, but I will try anything that works. I'm going to read some more here and see what information you guys have posted on this. Are there studies that show this process works? Thanks.

[Jackieo]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder? 

Remember....I am fairly new to this too and I am not a doctor...but I do have a curvature.  That being said, "Yes", it is my recommendation that you do not attempt to reach a full erection in any tube while doing your "stretch".  I know...sometimes it just happens.  But, take a break if it happens.  (Note:  I think semi-erect is okay for the stretching exercise).
The fact that you were aware of the timing of your accident and the fact that you do not have a curvature (currently) might work in your favor in preventing the development of a future curvature...if you continue using the VED and you get on a healthy regime of diet and supplements. 
If you want to masturbate maybe wait until you are done exercising with the tube.  My PCP suggested to me that erections are good for a healthy penis and that (it would follow that...) masturbation would therefore be good too.  He told me that I should experiment with how I hold myself (or how my partner holds me) during stimulation or masturbation.  In otherwords, hold yourself differently during masturbation to give your penis a break and to not create any new inflammation.
It is my understanding (and belief) that Inflammation is the big thing...especially in the early state.  Read up on diet and supplements on this forum to see what has been suggested.
Again, post your questions and stay involved.  The guys are great with "helping".
JackieO

[bummedout]

So, is what your saying that I should not have to reach a full erection with the medium cylinder?  Also, my condition doesn't involve any curvature, but instead a plaque at the glans of my penis and right under it, which was from my accident that caused this whole thing, and another in the middle that my urologist gave me by injecting me with something.  I have indentations and a decrease in size, but my major problem is a lack of rigidity while I'm having an erection in the plaque areas.....can't put on a condom.

[ComeBacKid]

Your not  crazy, you can restretch your foreskin with what little is left, I've had other men tell me they did this and improved sensitivity but it takes awhile.  The tension is what does it.  I'd imagine it probably works better with the traction device than the VED, but I think the VED gives a good stretch for my application.  I'm trying to regain lost size from peyronies, both width and length...

Straight from NORM

A Logical and Successful Restoration Regimen

Cells are 'grown' by mitosis, that is cell division. In recent research on tissue
expansion it has been determined that cyclical tension is the most productive. It has also been determined that excessive tension does more damage than moderate tension and therefore tissue that has been overly tensioned will take longer to 'heal'.

Since the shaft tissue is both muscle and skin an appropriate analogy is a body building regimen. One works on the upper body one day and the lower body the next to let each set of muscles have a day of rest to generate new cells and then be coaxed again the following day to grow more cells.

Therefore, one must realize that there is NO fast or instant restoration. One must work into his daily habits a regimen that will suit his lifestyle and work habits, etc. One only needs to coax the tissue to think that it has to cover the longest penis in the world.

A suggested regimen, (which has worked for me and many others, and has been quite successful) is apply weights/elastics in the process of getting ready for work. Then wearing them from four to eight hours and removing them after arriving home from work. Or taking them off at noon time. Restoring while you are sleeping can be dangerous! When you are asleep you may not feel pain until irreversible damage has been done.

It is important to observe the following cautions: Don't cause or endure pain. Don't be overzealous. Don't cause constriction which may cause pain or cause the tissue to change color. Use the color change pressure test for blood circulation. (pp 142,143, The Joy of Uncircumcising, Bigelow, 1998)]

Soon after you start restoring you will probably want to keep the glans covered at all times as it will become more sensitive during restoration. This is because the nerves get closer to the surface as the dead and calloused skin that has been protecting it from rubbing against clothing and such disappears . When you achieve some longer tissue you can use a retainer for the remainder of the evening and night. This will keep the glans covered and protected from rubbing on your night clothes. It will also help retain the sub-preputial fluids to start the process of dekeratinization, (sloughing off of the layers of callous tissue and return the nerve ending to the surface of the glans and inner mucosal tissue. This might be a tape ring or cris cross taping or use of an O ring or Velcro strap.

This nighttime rest period will allow the shaft tissue (derma and muscle) to perform mitosis and grow additional cells.

Some restorers have advocated excessive tension for 24 hours, seven days a week. This type of regimen just does not work well for most of us as we have other things to do with our genitals like sex, bathing, rest and other fun things. As noted above damage to the tissue and much longer healing time are the result of excessive tension. As well it is simply not necessary and will not speed up the process.

An aside - - a fellow phoned me every six months from Texas, and said he was not getting any longer foreskin tissue. He said he was wearing 60 ounces of weight 24 hours a day seven days a week. I said, no wonder, your tissue is rebelling against the damage you are doing to the shaft tissue so stop it.

You only have one penis, and you need to become aware of its structure and its care. Please be careful, be aware of what it is telling you about your efforts to restore its covering.

R. Wayne Griffiths, M.S., M.Ed.
Co-founder & Executive Director of NORM

Their regimen is a bit different I suppose but same concept. This is particularly interesting because it could be concluded you can stretch your penis if you have peyronies and regain size that was lost or correct a bend.

Comebackid

[Jackieo]

Bummedout:
I totally agree with Cowboy and Old Man on the use of the VED.  Old Man has been a great help and an inspiration to me.  Cowboy and I started the routine at the same time so I am thankful for his input and encouragement.
I feel I need to mention that I, too, originally thought that only the large tube "fit".  I even posted this fact.  After a few weeks of trial and error I noticed that the best "stretches" came when I was relaxed and not when I was hard.  In fact, when I was hard I could not reach the extent that I could when I was relaxed and if I did a full circuit of stretches (when I was hard) I was often sore the next day.  The longer, relaxed stretches were comfortable and (I believe) more productive in my correction in the long run.  I don't recall your "profile" so I don't know how Peyronies Disease has affected you.  I have/had a (45-degree) curve to the left.  One good thing about having a "side curve" is that it has been easy for me to chart what I believe is a correction. I have only been using the VED for 3-months +/- and I have had two consecutive months or correction on the degree of curvature.  I posted the drawing the first month (I am not at home currently so I have not posted the latest updated).
What's my point?.....  I think a relaxed stretch is more productive than stretching when you are "hard" and I think that once you master the "relaxed stretch" you may find that you "fit" in the medium tube and (maybe occasionally) into the small tube (I call the small tube the "torture chamber").
Good luck.
I wrote my interpretation of "how" one might approach the use of the VED.  I posted it but if you can't find it drop me a note and I will forward it to you.
Good luck.  I hope your use of the VED is as productive as it has been for me and others.
JackieO

[Old Man]

bummedout:

Yes, it took the greater part of a year to see final results. During that year's time, quite a number of changes were observed. The curves changed, the indentations sort of came and went at will. Other minor changes in the size, shape and other conditions were noticed. The flaccid state became longer and larger around back to my original size and shape before Peyronies Disease.

I noticed you said that you were only using the large cylinder of the Vitality VED. You should try to use the smallest cylinder that fits even with a bit of difficulty. The three cylinder VEDs are so designed that by using all three cylinders in rotation according to the protocol, you provide the best overall conditioning of your penis and the plaque/nodules and/or indentations.

Some of us in the early days had only the old Osbon one cylinder Esteem model VED. We had to develop a separate regimen of pumping different from the later model three cylinder models. Unless your physical size just simply precludes using all three cylinders, try to at least use the medium and large cylinders.

Old Man

[bummedout]

Hello all.

So I've been using my VED for one month now, on average 6 times per week, for about a half hour per session (I usually masturbate while using it so that it's at least not a total waste of time).  I'm using the vitality 3 cylinder device, but you mine as well call it the 1 cylinder because the biggest one is the only one that fits me.  I usually pump until I feel a slight stretch, then release.  I build this up over the course of the half hour so that I can pump a little more and for a little longer.  This technique is just what seems most natural to me.  So far though, I do not think it has made it any better or any worse, other than the fact that my flacid penis seems to be a bit larger.  My real curiosity right now, is what should I be noticing.  Should my plaque become  more stretched?  should it go away?  should I notice increased erectile tissue around the plaque.  I didn't expect to see results after just one month, but it would be nice to know what I should be looking out for.  Old man, I know that you said it took almost a year before you saw your results.  Did you notice any changes during that year?  I look forward to anyone's comments.  I'll be posting after each month of using.

bummed

[lwillisjr]

cbf,

I've had the same experience using the traction. I also have a little more foreskin now when flacid.

Les

[cowboyfood]

All VED users,

Anyone else suspect that VED use stretched their skin in a way that it looks like they have a little more "foreskin" than previously?

I believe I have noticed this phenomena.

I'm circumcised, but I believe my skin has been stretched some so that in a flaccid state it appears I have a little more foreskin than before.

I find this interesting because it may be a further indication that the VED does physically alter the penis, which is the intent.

CF

[Thin Man]

Hey Jackisback,

Can you tell us what you mean by negative results?

Like you my main concern is ED, and I'm wary of doing anything that would worsen that.

Thanks, Thin Man

[jackisback]

Hey Cowboyfood,

If you're getting good results, then I think that's a fine plan. I was mainly hoping to reach those considering a purchase, or who hadn't gotten good results. You said that you had some discomfort a few hours after pumping. Since you've also said that you've gotten good results from your pumping, I would assume this hasn't effected your erections. Personally, I have had a lot of discomfort after pumping no matter what, and it is part of why I got one with a gauge. Also, I do not use the smallest tube. I'm no posterchild for VED success, but for me, the smallest tube caused the most discomfort, seemed unsafe, and I noticed negative results from it (sometimes after very good positive results that lasted only a week or so).

It also occurs to me that the VED would be used very differently if one did not have ED. If you had a bend, but no ED, you wouldn't need to be nearly as conservative as I've tried to be, and you probably could use a very small tube and pump up a big straight erection with little real risk.  For me, I have a small bend, and regaining as close to the erectile function I used to have is my main goal.

[cowboyfood]

. . . What's a good brand of VED's to get.

Myself and several others use the following:

http://www.fitzz.com/Vitality-Plus-Three-Cylinder-Vacuum-Therapy-System--Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_503-1983.html

This is a medical quality VED.  I think it's easy to use.  Put "team" in the promo code for a discount, order it online, customer service is cordial.

Begin reading the child board's VED thread.

CF