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Re: DMSO, DMSO based Solutions and TOPICAL Treatments
« Reply #300 on: December 02, 2013, 07:59:52 AM »

muffslayer

As someone that read all the posts on this forum (I really mean all, from the start day of the forum) your post is not surprising me at all.
Very few successes are reported on the forum using DMSO.

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« Reply #301 on: March 12, 2014, 12:42:13 AM »

Muffslayer,

Would you mind sharing what brand of DMSO you were using? Where did you get it from? Was it packaged in glass or plastic? Was it a USP Pharmaceutical grade of DMSO? The "grade" will be stated on the packaging. I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but am seriously debating incorporating DMSO into my treatment and would hate to make a decision not to if it wasn't the DMSO that gave you your problems, but the impurities within. Below are examples of different grades of DMSO from a leading manufacture: 

Available Grades:

Procipient® (dimethyl sulfoxide USP, Ph. Eur.): Highly pure grade of DMSO for drug delivery and healthcare applications.

DMSO Anhydrous: An extremely dry grade of DMSO for water sensitive reactions.

DMSO ACS Spectrophotometric: Contains low levels of UV absorbing impurities, for analytical applications.

DMSO ACS Reagent: Grade appropriate for industrial solvent cleaning use.

DMSO PharmaSolvent: The high purity of this product make it solvent of choice for the synthesis of Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients, and intermediates

DMSO EL 10 / DMSO EL 50: DMSO grades with extremely low metals content. Required in electronic applications such photoresist stripping. Enviro-S® ,

DMSO Enviro-S® : Enviro-S® (DMSO) An environmentally friendly alternative for sulfiding applications.

DMSO Industrial: A general purpose grade.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #302 on: March 12, 2014, 01:15:19 AM »

4,
I won't try and discourage you from trying this, as you are new to Peyronies Disease and feel the need to try everything. I understand. Just keep in mind that DMSO was originally formulated as paint thinner! Later, vets found that it had some usefulness in the treatment of horses. Other than being a means to take some other medicine into your system, it has no therapeutic value, unless you need to thin your house paint or get linaments into your horse's leg. For every testimony you find here that DMSO helped, you will find tenfold that say it hurt or did no good at all. You are better served to spend your time and money on the standard, conservative treatments offered here. Lastly, it very often makes you stink so badly that no one can stand to be around you. With that said, go ahead. I know you have to try. I did.
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« Reply #303 on: March 12, 2014, 03:37:49 AM »

Norm,

Thank you for the advice. I do realize what DMSO is and it's uses (there are many) and I've been familiar with DMSO even before discovering this Peyronies issue. It clearly makes logical sense IMHO to use this as a way to deliver a treatment of (blank) through the skin. Can I ask you what you tried to deliver through the skin with DMSO? Also maybe most important when dealing with penile tissue and not muscle, what brand and grade of DMSO did you try? (Was it packaged in glass or plastic? And were you treating hardened scar tissue or plaque? When you tried DMSO were you in the "acute" or "chronic" stage of this disease? Detailed answers to any or all of these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #304 on: March 12, 2014, 10:11:57 AM »

Let's see. I was in the active phase. I was using the DMSO to transport Vit E oil. I bought it at a health food store. I remember there was something about it being 99 point something pure. I think it was a plastic bottle. I never got the chance to find out if it did any good because I smelled too bad. People, including my wife, steered a wide path around me. I think someone commented that I smelled like car exhaust. After noticing here the lack of successes with it, I stopped.
   Honestly, I think your time would be better spent on the mainstream therapies. This forum has about 7000 members. They have tried everything. If DMSO had done any good, there would be some testimonies here about it. But as I said, I know you gotta try. Just be careful. You only have one penis.
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« Reply #305 on: March 12, 2014, 11:06:45 AM »

Norm,

Just in the small time I've been on this forum I've seen a number of people testifying to the positive effects of incorporating DMSO into their treatment. Just read this thread for starters.

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« Reply #306 on: March 12, 2014, 11:28:57 AM »

Judging only from the small time I've spent here, it doesn't seem like the mainstream therapies have been all that successful. Just my opinion, but I definitely don't feel it's a waste of time looking elsewhere. I believe as many angels as possible is going to be the key. Starting with diet. That's just my opinion from the little I've took in. Also when hitting something from many angles it may be hard to say what helped or didn't. I'd like to avoid the pharmaceuticals if at all possible.

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« Reply #307 on: March 12, 2014, 01:44:49 PM »

it doesn't seem like the mainstream therapies have been all that successful.

Pentox worked very well for me and it is considered one of the mainstream therapies. I think a reasonable strategy would be to try the mainstream therapies first, and then move on to the lesser used treatments like DMSO.

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« Reply #308 on: March 12, 2014, 04:59:37 PM »

As someone who read all the posts on the forum, I was changing the world "used" to "successful" in Skjald post:
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« Reply #309 on: March 12, 2014, 06:21:31 PM »

I was trying to be diplomatic :)

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« Reply #310 on: March 12, 2014, 09:09:07 PM »

Funny my thinking is completely opposite. Prescription med's will be my last resort. There are to many reasons to go into that here, but I have no intrest in the pharmaicia unless it's a last resort. Not saying I wouldn't, but again it will be a last resort. To each there own I guess. I just don't get the closed mindedness. Like I said from reading through out this forum so far it doesn't sound as if the mainstream "drugs" are doing all that good. As for therapies I've already started traction and hopefully Old Man "VED expert" is going to get me set for the Vacuum. But, as for the scrips or the shot's well I'm definitely not there yet and pray that day never comes. I guess we will see.

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« Reply #311 on: March 14, 2014, 09:31:35 PM »

Here is an interesting testimony I found on the use of DMSO and Iodine. I'm leaving this post in it's original state and posting it here because I feel this post is worth reading regarding this topic.
(If anyone is interested in reading the whole thread PM me and I'll send you a link).

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See post below:

 I found a great protocol to reverse internal scarring left from accumulated injuries: DMSO and iodine.

Over the last 15 years I’ve sustained a number of injuries from various ‘experiments’: pumping, stretching, hanging and other ‘adventures’, and as each injury healed everything seemed to come back pretty much as it was before. But the damage has been cumulative, and for the last few years, my EQ has been mediocre and declining with very poor engorgement of the head. I knew there was underlying scar tissue that was inhibiting blood flow so I tried the DMSO + ACV + castor oil mixture (Thacker’s) recommended for dissolving scar tissue associated with Peyronies. Didn’t see much improvement from that although I didn’t stick with it for the months and months it’s supposed to take. Having a vinegar-soaked dick got old real fast.

But last week I read about DMSO + iodine. I had already started taking nascent iodine for general health and I’d been using DMSO for other applications for over and year and was comfortable with it’s non-toxicity and general safety. So I thought I would try the combo topically. Using about 2 parts 99.9% DMSO and 1 part nascent iodine, I applied about 4 drops to the head and spread it all over with the side of the glass dropper. I also spread another 6-8 drops around the base of the shaft and about another 8-10 drops on the perineal and anal area as I knew my prostate was not in great shape. Right after applying the solution my penis shrivels a bit but I just let it soak in and dry. One application first thing in the morning and one more about 12 hours later. The whole solution is 8 drops nascent iodine, 4 drops MgCl2 and 12-15 drops 99.9% DMSO. (Always clean the skin well before using DMSO.)

Within 2 days I started noticing increased engorgement of the shaft and head! Waking up at night and morning with good hard wood, unusually hard by my standards. On the 3rd day I felt a slight pulling inside my shaft during an erection, like scar tissue letting go. That disappeared in a few hours and my EQ increased again. In another 2 days I felt a similar pulling inside the spongy glans tissue. I gently massaged that and it melted away in couple of hours. There is such a dramatic increase in glans engorgement now - I’ve gone from a less-than-half-full semi-mushy glans to a full, shiny and sensitive plum. In fact, I’m getting a little carried away with the revived sensation I’m getting, it’s like I’ve turned back the clock 15 years or more! ;) I’m late 40’s.

After the DMSO+ACV flop (it might have worked if I’d stuck it out longer), I certainly didn’t expect the rapid results I am getting with DMSO + iodine. The protocol I read for scar reduction talked about the SSKI form of iodine (Lugol’s), but nascent iodine is supposed to be much more powerful and at much lower doses too. Nascent is what I had on hand so that’s what I am using and enthusiastically recommending, but Lugol’s iodine would probably work well too.

I’ve had issues with venous leakage for even longer than the mushy glans which is why I’m applying it at the base as well. (Although DMSO penetrates into the bloodstream so well that I probably don’t need to spot-treat that close together.) I read that DMSO + iodine can dramatically heal hemorrhoids in just 3-4 days, not just reducing them but healing the weak and damaged blood vessels fast. I’ve never had hemorrhoids but it sure is making a big difference in my EQ from base to tip.

And my prostate has bounced back big time! For several years my urine flow has slowly been weakening, recently to a mere trickle that took forever to empty my bladder. That started changing after day 1. It’s been close to a week now and I’m able to piss a good stream that doesn’t feel restricted like before. Not with quite the force it had 20 years ago yet but definitely progressing daily in that direction. Needless to say, the improvement in my prostate coupled with the glans engorgement has given me an OQ that I’d never thought I’d experience again! Precum volume has increased a lot as well as ejaculation volume.

The only ‘side-effect’ I’ve noticed is sometimes my prostate feels a little tingly during the day like it’s looking for an opportunity to expel an excess of seminal fluid. Maybe this is what an unmilked cow feels like. Could be scar tissue is dissolving there too, I don’t know, but the remedy is delightful ;) Haven’t noticed any increase in sperm production, but the tadpoles are definitely swimming in a much bigger lake.

I’ve also been doing some dietary changes too: more raw food, minimal sugar. Those changes are very helpful but they are not new for me. It’s the DMSO + iodine that is making a dramatic and rapid difference!
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« Reply #312 on: March 15, 2014, 05:01:03 AM »

does any one really believe this guy????????

What is MgCl2???

Has any other person tried this - seems like total crap to me. - so why would someone spend the time and effort to write this??

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« Reply #313 on: March 15, 2014, 05:04:40 AM »

4Christ

It seems that DMSO and Iodine is the miracle silver bullet for Peyronies that all of us will like to find.
Cure of Peyronies in three days is amazing 8)
No need for VED, Pentox, Xiaflex and surgeries :)
I suppose in three days you will be free from Peyronies. Happy for you :)
If you will sale kits for 3 days Peyronies cure, you will become millionaire shortly 8)

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« Reply #314 on: March 15, 2014, 05:12:00 AM »

whats he trying to sell/achieve??...

found it - hes trying to flog this product ...Lugol’s iodine

he keeps on mentioning its name

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« Reply #315 on: March 15, 2014, 10:08:16 PM »

Iceman,

I'm not trying to sell anything. Lugol's Iodine is not a certain "product" or a "brand" to sell. It is a specific blend of Iodide and Iodine named after the doctor who invented it. Many companies sell / offer a "Lugol's" blend of Iodine usally at 2 or 5% but you can find higher. I haven't even mentioned the brand name of what I'm using, so I'm obviously not on here selling anything. I don't mean to be rude, but your comment seriously shows your ignorance. I'm only on here doing my best to be helpful while looking for a way to attack this thing head on. That's it, nothing more.

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« Reply #316 on: March 15, 2014, 10:22:47 PM »

[quote It seems that DMSO and Iodine is the miracle silver bullet for Peyronies that all of us will like to find.quote]

James1947,

I have no idea that's for sure!  Although I found that post to be very interesting on the topic, therefore I posted it here for people to see. Sure would be nice if it could help. Just like Iceman asked, why would someone take the time to write that?? Also that is just one post from a HUGE thread on the subject. I know one thing I'm willing and able to try it so I'll let you know how it goes! Although I have definitely not said there is no need for any other treatment. I'm scared as can be right now and plan on putting my best battle plan together to fight this thing! I'd be happy and thankful enough to fix myself! You can have the millions!

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« Reply #317 on: March 16, 2014, 12:44:44 AM »

sorry 4 christ

can you please tell me the exact ingredients/formula you use and i will give it a go:)

i do notice you use this: 4 drops MgCl2.... is this important??

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« Reply #318 on: March 16, 2014, 06:09:34 AM »

I think most of us are ready to try just about anything to solve this problem.  I know I am whether it sounds weird or not.  But, those who try the Iodine and DMSO should be careful.  Too much Iodine can cause some major problems.  I suggest looking up the side effects of getting too much Iodine.  Just FYI.
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« Reply #319 on: March 17, 2014, 08:51:04 AM »

Iceman,

Apology excepted and no hard feelings.
I have experimented very little so far with these topical treatments. Currently I am using what time I have between working to research this stuff and research some more (which is how I found that post below).  I have ordered many products, but have not put my game plan completely together on what exactly or how exactly I'm going to implement these things, but I will be very shortly or as soon as life allows it. The large post below concerning the DMSO and Iodine was taken from another forum (non Peyronies related). Again I posted it here because I feel that it may be good information ( I don't know ) but I hope it is. As for the MgCI2 mentioned below, I believe he is talking about Magnesium Oil. Something I currently do have on order and feel I'm most likely deficient in.

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« Reply #320 on: March 17, 2014, 09:16:57 AM »

Dplookin,

 I agree, and plan on staying well within the recommended daily dose of Iodine. Instead of getting it orally as recommended on the bottle, I'll just be getting it topically using the DMSO as a carrier to take it through the skin and directly into the area of concern to hopefully break up the plaque / scar tissue. I recommend Googeling DMSO SSKI Peyronies and reading as much as you can find about it if you are interested in trying. The thread where that post came from is 40 pages long. If you would like I could PM the link to you. There is other info on the subject to be found too. Both DMSO and Iodine are things I was familiar with and have used for various things before discovering this peyronies condition. That's why I'm now looking into this for possible treatment or at least help with my treatment. Meaning using in conjunction with diet, supplements, traction & VED. Again I'm still in the process of researching and developing my battle plan to fight this.

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« Reply #321 on: March 17, 2014, 12:35:44 PM »

4Christ..........Thanks..I will try to find this info on the Internet.  dplookin
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« Reply #322 on: March 18, 2014, 07:01:09 PM »

If you overdose on Iodine/Iodide, a little over 2 grams of Vitamin C will take care of that, or Chocolate will Help.  So, if taking Iodine, only take Vitamin C 2 hours before Iodine or 2 hours afterwards. 

Chocolate has Bromine in it which kills the power of the Iodine.

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« Reply #323 on: March 18, 2014, 07:50:00 PM »

If you overdose on Iodine/Iodide, a little over 2 grams of Vitamin C will take care of that, or Chocolate will Help.  So, if taking Iodine, only take Vitamin C 2 hours before Iodine or 2 hours afterwards. 

Chocolate has Bromine in it which kills the power of the Iodine.

Just FYI

Thanks, that's good to know.
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« Reply #324 on: April 09, 2014, 05:30:54 AM »

Hi,

Im pretty confident that a mixture of:

70%DMSO
Some ACV
some Magnesium oil
some nascent iodine
some vitamin E
some l carnitine.
and some castor oil.

all soaked in  a cloth and applied with a safe plastic wrap(Heal Yourself At Home) is helping me in a good way the last 2 weeks.
I apply it as often as possible and observe the first time changes in my calcified plagues.(more about it here: Introducing myself and treatments - Peyronies Society Forums)
I started to have kind of morning wood and my penis hangs fuller while palpation fo the plagues makes them seem softer.

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I found another anectodal report about vitamin C combined with DMSO here: http://www.csom.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Melting-Calcium-Deposits-with-Transdermal-Dimethyl-SulfoxideAscorbic-Acid-Mixture-25.4.pdf

The guy is saying that it "melts" away calcium deposits. Anyone tried Vitamin C + DMSO?
I will try that too but as I understand I have to use it with some time distance to iodine as it might contradict each other as vitamin C "melts" minerals I understand.
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I also researched about how DMSO is actually giving ability to let substances go transdermal. It seems that dmso isnt moving it with other susbtances but rather opening the membranes for some time to allow other substances to freely enter.

Very interesting was this scientific paper:
Serratiopeptidase Niosomal Gel with Potential in Topical Delivery

They used a serrapeptase gel with DMSO. Figure 4 is very interesting as it shows that even after 4 hours, there was still an uptake of the serrapeptase.
Now Im not sure how the serrapeptase in this study applies to the serrapeptase that is available to us.
They speak of SRP niosomes which might have a much smaller molecular weight then that what we can buy. Serrapeptase as it is available is said to be not able to penetrate transdermal with DMSO due to its high molecular weight.
Serrapeptase is very thoroughly researched and in theory probably one of the strongest substances that is able to "melt" away calcium deposits.

But as with other oral treatments Im not very confident about the impact, if taken oraly, cause much is destroyed in the digestion process and even then Im not sure how much reaches the Penis or even the plagues(which might sit in the tunica which isnt very much swimming in blood so to speak).

Hope someone can follow these thaughts and chime in.
I have to say I feel very alone in this endeavour. But Im willing to take risks as life without a functioning penis is no fun at all.
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« Reply #325 on: April 09, 2014, 01:57:32 PM »

Thanks for the DMSO safe plastic chart. So what exact type of plastic are you using?
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« Reply #326 on: April 09, 2014, 03:22:36 PM »


The thin wrap you get in every supermarket to wrap food.(Plastic wrap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Its made of Low-density polyethylene.

They had a test of the wraps in a eco test magazin and mine was declared as clear. Only one of the 10 tested was mixed with PVC(which is absorbed with dmso) but also declared on the outside.
I understand that most these days are build from    polyethylene. But they were manufactured from PVC centurys ago.
If you are unclear about it and using it everyday I would check back with the manufacturer.

I also use a thin sheet of fabric soaked with the solution wrapped around my penis and the plastic wrap over it to.
This way you can also open the plastic wrap( which I use in a double layer) and apply some more dmso or solution/supplement to the fabric after some time. I do this to extend the permeability of the dermal layers. Refreshing the power of the solution also so to speak.

The plastic wrap I use is bigger in size then the soaked fabric to avoid getting anything from the outside mixed onto the solution and also to have anything clean so I can walk around etc.

When at home I strap often into the extender while having the wrap on. To immeadiatly attack any available stretchability of the plagues.

I noticed that only short applications of the solution for 20 minutes a day do soften the plague but they return to its hard state within hours. when used the whole day or multiple times they are even the next morning rather soft. I plan to use it even during sleep at some point.

Im ready to do this for at least half a year without a pause.
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« Reply #328 on: April 09, 2014, 08:33:12 PM »

Melting,

You are not alone! I'm very busy, but will chime in ASAP. I'm with you on the DMSO and I'm also considering light and heat therapy.

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« Reply #329 on: April 09, 2014, 09:35:58 PM »

Guys, I suppose I am quickly developing a reputation around here as a stick in the mud, but it's because I've been active on this forum for years and have gone through many of the "therapies" you guys are talking about. I've tried Topical Verapamil, Iontophoresis, Thacker's Formula (DMSO), VED, Heat ... and all manner of supplements.  Before you go to great time, effort and expense wrapping your penis in plastic with DMSO-based solutions, read the entirety of the forum members' experience (myself included) with DMSO

Nearly everyone really got excited at first, as our penises seemed "softer," and the plaques seemed less hard - some even thought theirs were breaking apart. Many of us noticed stronger erections while using DMSO (I did).  However, not one single person saw any reduction in curvature with DMSO and all of us - after MANY months using it religiously - eventually gave up. 

I'm not saying this to bring you down, but to save you repeating history. Read the history here - that's what this forum is here for.  When I see you getting excited about DMSO and also talking about light and heat therapy, my heart sinks because we've been there. That stuff just doesn't work. And in the case of both heat and DMSO there's the potential for actually harming yourself if you're not extremely careful. 

So be careful, guys. Read all you can, and treat yourselves conservatively with the best we currently have to offer which, basically amounts to: Pentox, Cialis, VED and traction; or second line treatments like the supps COQ10, L-Arginine, etc. The only true physical change I ever noted with anything over the last 12 years was length gained back with the VED. That's it, but I was thrilled to get that.

I just hate to see a "second generation" of guys going through the same tired experiments some of us have already worn out. 

Best to you,
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« Reply #330 on: April 09, 2014, 11:07:18 PM »

Thank you for the post Nemo.
You are able to make such a post because you are around from 2006. :)
Many "New experiments" were done already in the past. The problem is that many new members, before starting such a "New treatment" are not reading the forum.
So they spend money, time and effort on things that were tested already and the results were very poor at best or not results at all.

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« Reply #331 on: April 09, 2014, 11:53:53 PM »

Nemo,

When trying any of these alternative therapies, did you enforce a strict diet? With all due respect, not everything works for everybody. Just because something didn't give you results doesn't mean someone else can't get them. Everybody is different and this condition varies greatly from person to person. You are speaking as if "one size fits all per say" and with this condition it most certainly doesn't. Trust me I have been reading every chance I get and not just on this forum. I've seen plenty of  positive results / testimonies from the below mentioned therapies. Sorry nothing has worked for you, but that just doesn't mean nothing can for anyone else. From my studies so far I recommend starting with very strict diet change. Although I'm referring to someone in the beginning stages less then 6months. Many people can heal themselves naturally. These therapies can help with that process.

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« Reply #332 on: April 10, 2014, 12:04:02 AM »

4Christ

It is not just Nemo that DMSO treatments didn't helped.
Read carefully all this topic, from the start and you will understand.
From the other side, you and all the others that want to try it, just do it. :) It is your right and no one here is holding you back. :)

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« Reply #333 on: April 10, 2014, 06:19:23 AM »

What brand are you using? http://jonbarron.org/article/rap-food-wraps#.U0XUp4l5nTo

As said Im located in germany and I use a local brand, it is named Ja!Frischhaltefolie.
They had a test in germany if any of these were contamined and mine and most others were not. (http://www.oekotest.de/cgi/index.cgi?artnr=100957&bernr=01&seite=01)

So you might check any of the available brands for tests or test them yourself or ask the company.
You dont need the plastic per se. Wrapping with some more layers of cottonfabric(totally white, I suppose anyone following know show to use DMSO..) might work too, but albeit would leak some of the solution outside(needing you to use more) making it messy.
I dont have much of the plastic coming into contact with dmso soaked skin anyway. Its just the top layer.
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« Reply #334 on: April 10, 2014, 08:08:53 AM »

I just hate to see a "second generation" of guys going through the same tired experiments some of us have already worn out. 

Best to you,
Nemo

I think I read almost everything available. And Im thankfull for you post and the trials you guys did go through back then. Its very helpfull input.

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VED and traction alone or combined did nothing to my calcified plagues. And they wont be able to do that on their own.(try to vacuum or stretch a stone)
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From the conservative medicine in germany Im told only surgery will help. Any other treatment isnt supported cause its to expensive and didnt show much improvement in studies. I did know more theory about peyronies then any of these guys. I was a pain in their ass as they have no clue at all about alternative treatments nor studys related to this or similar conditions. Their attitude to not check for alternative and new scientific approaches on a daily/weekly base show me that they are basicly overpaid quaks keen to earn money with surgery.
My heart weeps thinking of any of clueless patients getting butchered by them(I was one when I basicly was forced/no alternatice to get cut my foreskin cause of another condition years ago. Im still in tears when thinking about my foreskin taken away from me)

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Pentox, cialis, L-Arginine basicly increase the blood flow. They wont dissolve any plague if the body isnt willing to do so. Pentox and cialis have their own risks and side effects.

They are usefull cause they will at least enable oral supplements to get theoreticly somewhat near the plagues. Blood flow is very important with this condition.
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For as many people as DMSO didnt help you will find as many people where "conservative" treatments didnt help I think.
DMSO on its own is already proven to have a profound effect for many conditions. Its a very safe substance used in the right way.

But it isnt a miracle solution for peyronies condition on its own.

The most important thing that DMSO is enabling us is to be able to move substances into the plagues that are known to dissolve fibrous plagues, calcium deposits and scars.
These substances taken orally most times never reach the plagues, let alone penetrate them, and if, then only in minuscle amounts.

Thackers formula on its own might help some people but I dont see how these ingredients alone will solve this for me.
When I read the old posts I see why people failed. They didnt use it often enough and many just used the thackers formula. The ingredients might not be enough to dissolve the softened plagues for good.
Also DMSO needs to be applied for best use in a 80% solution/but not over 90% so it is penetrating all layers/cells to enable them to take up other supplements in. Thackers formula alone is too diluted IMO.

Then check for guys like nick:
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=25
He seemed to throw anything that seemed to help into a solution with DMSO. He reported a great difference with his method and then dissapeared.
The reason might be that the tone in this discussion is for sensitive people rather discouraging to try anything that is not mainstream.(Im as stubborn as my plagues ;) )

Also its clear to me that you need to apply the DMSO/supplements basicly all day and night everyday everynight.
It was reproted by several people, and this is also my observation, that the plague will turn back to its hardened state rather fast.
When I applied the thackers for only one time per day it softened it but was the next day in the same hardened state as before.

Its similar with a traction device like an extender. If you use the extender at maximum traction for 2 hours a day you might lengthen your penis for temporal time(the collagen fibers) but it will return to its old state. Even if you use it for a year everyday for 2 hours it wont achieve much.
But when you wear it all day everyday 16/7 you will elongate your penile tissue permantly.
Same with tendons(think of professional gymnasts, they do it all day everyday to achieve that flexibility).

The tunica itself is a very hard tissue that is very hard to alter. But it is possible and proven.
The reason is that it is arranged in a 2-3 layer mesh perpendicular to each layer.
A scar is many layers interconnected in a chaotic mesh to avoid that the human/tissue will be torn apart again. It has to be penetrated, weakend and dissolved in its core. And I dont see how that will be possible by any oral treatment alone. Espacially if the tissue is the penis.
Xiaflex did work for some cause the solution was injected right into the plague. But the very act of having a needle through your tissue might attract more scar tissue.

All that is available to me that has the possiblity to penetrate the callcified plagues is DMSO together with supplements that are able to dissolve scar tissue/calcium deposits.

So what I do is:
I apply the supplements together with DMSO all day and night.
I mix for each supplement a seperate batch to avoid downgrading any supplements to another one.
I take turn with the batches and use a new wrap each time.
I try to put a fresh solution on it for as often as possible. I aim for every 2 hours.
I use a traction device all day along with the solution to attack any instability in the plague as it happens.
I use appropriate heat for as often as necessary.
I use a waterpump at the end and the start of the day to attack the possibility to fill the plague with healthy blood.

I didnt see anyone doing something similar.
And I think such an "extreme" approach is neccesary to get rid of these plagues.
As if just done once or twice a day they will return to its state again.

For me it seems many of the people who used thackers formula or DMSO just put a small drop on a hot stone over and over again.
Im sorry if I step anyone on his foot or his beliefs.
I hope someone can follow my thoughts and think through them with an open mind.

I write out anything that I can think of so anyone who is interested can see where Im coming from. I will try to answer any question coming up.

The improvements gives me big hope. Im confident that if Im even more resilient and stronger then the plagues then I will overcome them.
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« Reply #335 on: April 10, 2014, 08:50:28 AM »

For the record: VED stretches the healthy tissue around the plaque, not the scar tissue itself. The "vacuuming a stone" is not an accurate metaphor.

I do hope DMSO works for you and please post your improvements.

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« Reply #336 on: April 10, 2014, 09:14:21 AM »

Thank you Melting, well said!
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« Reply #337 on: April 10, 2014, 09:53:48 AM »

Well, all I can say is good luck.  Document yourself and any progress religiously (with pics) so you can add to our knowledge on this.  Again, good luck.

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« Reply #338 on: April 10, 2014, 11:22:21 AM »

Nemo............I appreciate your comments below, all of them.  This problem with Peryronies is very depressing, and considering how many people are fighting with it, it is Really Depressing.  I have been trying Everything with absolutely no success at all.  I couldn't handle the Pentox due to the side effects I had.  I can't really afford the Cialis.  My budget and it's cost don't go together, and definitely can't get the other Prescription type medicines.  I do use a VED, but it's difficult to see how it is going to help.

But, I did enjoy reading your comments / posts below..........more is welcomed.

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« Reply #339 on: April 12, 2014, 01:39:43 AM »

I dont plan to report on every single thing that happens but its rather profound for me that I did wake up in the middle of the nigth, for the first time since ages, to a nocturnal erection. I blame it solely on the DMSO protocol Im following.

The many plagues I have basicly prevented me from having a hard normal errection lasting errection. The blood and hormones want to but the plagues seem to prevent veins and smooth muscle on expanding soft tissue to maintain an errection for longer time. So this Is a big difference having to wake up to an errection.

I dont have big dents apart from some twisting and hourglass on the left side which also shortens that side. I also have no bend but I did loose the natural bend I had before Peyronies.

On the left shorter side I had a very thin sensitive cord that seemed to be like a hard(thrombosed?) small vein.  And it was kind of glued superficialy to a rather big plague on that side. Im pretty sure that this "vein" did free itself from the plague. Its now "freely" moving but feels very tender. Its like a guitar string.

I did have some skin irritation/peel due to using some 99%DMOS too much in one batch. Zinc based cream helped me rather fast. Other then that I feel no side effects from the more or lesss constant DMSO/supplement wrapping.
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« Reply #340 on: May 26, 2014, 11:12:23 AM »

After one month of more or less constant use I have great erections and soft plagues.
But I cant sense that the plagues got smaller.

I had 3 stops for like 3 days due to too much DMSO which gave me some skin problems. Whenever I stop it the plaguess seem to get harder again.

The vein that got loose from a plague is probably a lymphatic cord.

I think I have to continue this treatment and find a susbtance or combination that effectivly dissolves the plagues.

Apart from the minor skin problems I discovered no adverse effects of this treatment at all.
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« Reply #341 on: August 29, 2015, 01:09:11 PM »

DMSO is paint thinner. It was never intended to go on your body for any medical purpose. I would stay away from it. The only reason it is part of the formula is because it absorbs into your system and transports the other parts of the formula that do not absorb. I think the consensus of this group is that it is snake oil. Stick to the more conventional treatments. On a personal note, it made me stink to high heaven! People ran away from me!

Not to argue here...but DMSO isn't paint thinner. It has application in paint thinner and other seemingly toxic applications for its ability to penetrate and dissolve substances.  DMSO is FDA indicated for interstitial cystitis.  There are certainly side effects to DMSO that are pretty common in a lot of drugs. I'm not saying it's safe for use on our penis by any means.  But one thing is for sure...it will penetrate the skin...what that means idk. I know this is an older thread but I'm new and reading through a lot of posts to try to make an informed decision on treatments.
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« Reply #342 on: August 30, 2015, 04:04:20 AM »

1. Yet in the United States, DMSO has Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval only for use as a preservative of organs for transplant and for interstitial cystitis, a bladder disease.
2. In 1970, the FDA approved DMSO for the treatment of musculoskeletal disorders in dogs and horses
3.....in 1978, it was approved by the FDA in humans for the therapy of Interstitial Cystitis
4.Conservatively, hundreds of millions of patients have been safely treated with DMSO worldwide. DMSO is a substance of extraordinary low toxicity.
From WebMD:
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-874-dmso%20(dimethylsulfoxide).aspx?activeingredientid=874&activeingredientname=dmso%20(dimethylsulfoxide)
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« Reply #343 on: November 01, 2015, 03:17:42 PM »

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« Reply #344 on: November 02, 2015, 08:52:18 AM »

DMSO is primarily a carrier.  If used, do NOT use latex gloves as it will carry latex into your system.  Bare handed is best.  It is in my stand by arsenal for cancer if I ever get it.  I would use it as a carrier for an oxidizing agent.
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« Reply #345 on: November 03, 2015, 02:19:39 PM »

Kuaka, given DMSO's failure as a treatment (carrier) in Peyronie's, I wouldn't be too hopeful that it's going to be much help in fighting cancer. ...

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« Reply #346 on: November 04, 2015, 10:57:25 AM »

The DMSO is simply a carrier.  What it is carrying is the key to treatment of whatever you are trying to treat.  It is primarily to enhance topical absorption of "something"...  The oxidation agent would be the primary "treatment".  Just my thoughts on the matter.
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« Reply #347 on: November 04, 2015, 02:05:32 PM »

I understand DMSO is simply a carrier.  My point is that if using DMSO as a carrier to cure Peyronie's has proven ineffective, I'm a but surprised you seriously think you could combat cancer with a similar approach. That's all.

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« Reply #348 on: November 05, 2015, 10:45:17 AM »

I have tried using DMSO 90% gel with various other ingredients that supposedly will combat the plaque. Organic apple cider vinegar, castor oil, Vit E oil ( both pure organic) even tried coconut oil too!  Sh1t!, There's next to nothing I haven't tried in fighting this damn disease!

Result? Nada, nothing, zero. Now whether that's down to the inability of DMSO to penetrate through to the plaque in the tunica, or the ineffectiveness of the ingredients in combating the plaque, I don't know. But, over several weeks/months it did absolutely nothing to affect the plaque in any way, as far as I could tell.,
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