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First Session with VED....not so successful
« on: August 01, 2012, 11:15:51 PM »

First time using the VED tonight.  It was only mildly successful and I’m looking for some advice.  I’ll put this out to the community for public consumption and public advice, but if someone wishes to PM me…that’s ok too.

First let me give kudos to Buckeye for his home-made three cylinder VED using the Vitality OTC.  I followed his instructions and after one mis-cut …got it together so that it worked perfectly.  :)

Also..did some minor “manscaping”  hoping it was enough to maintain a seal.  And that worked out, so I don’t have to actually shave around the bits.  Woo Hoo!!  ;D

Anyway…I followed the directions from Vitality (3 pumps..wait 10 seconds for blood to flow, 3 pumps…wait 10 seconds for blood to flow and so on until erection is achieved).   At the same time tried to follow the protocol here (wait 10 seconds and release pressure and repeat). 

I lubed up and off I went.

After about two cycles of “3 pumps, wait 10 seconds” it started to get uncomfortable but not painful.  Went one or two more times and had to release the pressure because it was getting too uncomfortable.   I stopped for the night after doing this 3 times.

I never achieved a full erection or anywhere near it, lengthwise or firmness.   I started with the smallest cylinder (1 & ½ inch I. D.).    I wouldn’t have thought that I would have an issue with that being too small (in diameter).  With the three nested cylinders, the entire thing is somewhat translucent so it was difficult to tell if I was touching the sides along my length…but the ridge of the glans clearly was touching and then some.   As I have an hourglass deformity…I can say that that portion of the length was NOT touching the sides.   I’m all too familiar with effects of negative pressure given my chosen career…but I have to confess to being a bit surprised at the impact in the diametrical dimension, especially on the glans.

I’ve checked myself…and at this point (maybe an hour on) the only thing I can see that’s different is a mild inflammation just below the glans (at the circumcision scar).  Not at all unlike what it looked like when I got a bit too aggressive with un-lubricated masturbation as a teenager. ::)  It’ll go away by morning.

So…is it possible I actually need to start with the middle cylinder??  I find this hard to believe.  I understand the need for “confinement” and would like to maintain the schedule starting with the smaller cylinder.

Is this common?  I realize I’m working my penis in a way it is unaccustomed to and maybe I need to acclimate it to the process.   Yes?

Should I make an attempt at the middle cylinder to see if I get the same sensation – to see if it’s the pressure, per se, or the constriction aspect?  Personally, I think it’s the negative pressure based on the feeling.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Shadow.
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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 11:24:44 PM »

Congratulations for the new VED ;D
I would like to say that CAUTION is very important when using VED.
If you get to uncomfortable feeling, you have to release the vacuum.
I will advice you not to pump up until you feel uncomfortable. Stop one step before!!!
Follow the protocol on our site. Is working, but again, you should not increase the pressure to uncomfortable feeling.

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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 09:43:21 AM »

Shadow:

Jumping in to give you a little of advice with using your VED. You should have read some of the previous posts by me where I strongly urged first time users to practice using the VED before embarking on the protocol. So, now that you have experienced the "first time" feeling, start practice sessions and pump only to the point of getting a partial erection without any pain or discomfort. Then and then only, start the full scale protocol! Remember that the vacuum pressure pulls much more blood into the corpora than a natural erection.

VED therapy is not an overnight one and must be approached with extreme caution not to overpump the pressure. It also must be remembered that the penis being confined in the small cylinder will not reach a full erection. The small cylinder cycles are designed to hold any curved penis in a more straight position to help "pull" it and any hourglass indentations back to somewhat normal. This is to maybe keep the stretched position of the tissue and heal in that shape, etc.

Congratulations for making your own three cylinder VED! Anyone with a bit of expertise in making things can do it. However, one must remember to make any and all cuts smooth to prevent irritation, etc.

Again, hope for the best in your endeavor to correct your Peyronies Disease.

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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 12:04:43 PM »

Thanks James.  Yes..caution is the word of the day (..or rather - night)!!

Old Man:  I view last night as a "test drive".  When I said I attempted to try the protocol it was really to get a feel for the process.

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Remember that the vacuum pressure pulls much more blood into the corpora than a natural erection.

And I think that this is what I was feeling.  It seemed to be concentrated near the head.  At first I thought it (the odd feeling) might be around the area of the hourglassing (about an inch or so below the glans) and that's what alarmed me.  But I think it was really just the engorgement of the head.  No matter....I'll be taking it easy for awhile.

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pump only to the point of getting a partial erection without any pain or discomfort.

It was certainly that.  I'd estimate maybe 50%-60% firmness.

I may try it with the middle sized cylinder just see what the difference in feeling is.

I appreciate the advice!  :)

Shadow.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 12:53:04 PM »

I may try it with the middle sized cylinder just see what the difference in feeling is.

Yes do that. I must say I had myself lots of trouble at the beginning. there were even some days where after "pumping up" i was so "small" i was intrigued.
it took me more than 3 months before getting comfortable with it.

Actually i have developped a protocol of my own that at least gives me satisfaction.
i do not use the small cylinder anymore as it brings me discomfort.
I dont know how the tubes of the self built ones look, but the ones I have (Soma Correct 3 cyl model) have a slightly conical shape.
That means that the diameter on the glans side is a little smaller than on the side where it touches your body.
there must be about 5mm difference in diameter. (that goes for all 3 cylinders .. they all have that slightly conical shape so they fit perfectly in each other.)

the problem with the small cylinder is that my glans gets somewhat stuck ( exactly as with you) as it engorges much more than the shaft.
It seems that as the cylinder gets thinner, its like a plug.
So i get and uncomfortable feeling when the glans is stuck at 2/3 and the rest is not fully stretched.

I do NOT get that feeling with the medium cylinder. as a matter of fact, as mine is completely see through, i can see that everything is straightend, the engorged glans touches all sides of the cylinder, and so does the shaft. (though its probably more the skin that is pulled towards the sides)
Anyway I am satisfied. (if it could only always look like that)
ATTENTION: It does not get fully engorged at first pump up.. it takes up to 10 cycles (see below)

But with the big cylinder it is much more difficult (was much more difficult) to get an erection. it stayed like half the size of when I use the medium cylinder. even after pumping.
So I followed the advice of another user here, that i always start with the medium cylinder, and then after 5 minutes (once i get fully engorged in the medium cylinder) -
that takes at least 10 cycles - 10 secs pumping... 10 secs holding... 10 secs release
I then switch to the big cylinder. it takes about 10 seconds to switch.
This is how i switch to avoid too much time inbetween:
I first fully lube the big one, then i fully lube the medium one, then i insert both lubed cylinders into each other. Can get messy I agree. Then i lube my penis, insert it and start pumping.
After 5 minutes i take out the medium cylinder and start with the big cylinder.

It works fine with me. I must say I use lots and lots of lube. (half a liter lasts for like 7 days) . But I use ultrasound gel that is dirt cheap (like $4 for half a liter in pharmacy, and much cheaper when ordered on amazon)

so my advice would be: Use lots of lube! on the ved AND on your penis!!

Luc
PS: Hope my explanation was not confusing.
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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 03:50:50 PM »

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the problem with the small cylinder is that my glans gets somewhat stuck ( exactly as with you) as it engorges much more than the shaft.

So i get and uncomfortable feeling when the glans is stuck at 2/3 and the rest is not fully stretched.


Luc..that’s a very apt description. I sat there watching wondering why it didn’t expand lengthwise more.  I felt if I could just reach in there and tug on it, it would progress much better. ::)

The hourglassing section notwithstanding…I’m actually pretty uniform along the length, the glans being maybe ever so slightly larger in circumference.  So I was a bit surprised at how it appeared to engorge more than the shaft to the point of getting stuck, as you put it.  I suppose it’s composed of different “stuff”.

Now that I think about it, I did put a fair amount of lube on my penis…but I don’t remember lubing the inside of the tube.  That might have been part of the problem.

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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 06:58:14 PM »

shadow and Luc:

You MUST put lube inside the small cylinder as far up into the cylinder as possible. Some of us use a small brush like a toothbush to get the lube far enough into the small cylinder to prevent the glans from sticking inside the tube. Remember, it is virtually impossible to get all of ones shaft into the small cylinder due to its size. The point is that you get as much of the shaft in the cylinder as possible to hold it in a confined and straight condition. The purpose being to help remold the shape and try to "pull" the hourglass area back to a more normal condition.

It is impossible to get an erection in the small cylinder unless one is very very small in diameter. I would say there are very few if any men who could get an erection in that cylinder. So, one must be very careful with use of the small cylinder. Also, there are some few men who are large enough that it is simply impossible for them to even enter the small cylinder. Those guys should skip using the small cylinder altogether and start with the medium one with the three cylinder protocol. I have known of one or two guys on the forum who could only use the large cylinder to begin with. They had to purchase larger cylinders from the Augusta company to even use their VEDs.

Hope the above suggestions will help those experiencing the problems noted in the posts below. VED therapy must be approached with common sense and careful use to accomplish its desired goal.

I will be glad to assist any and all users of the VED when problems arise with their therapy.

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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 01:31:04 AM »

Well as you can see in the (very bad) drawing below I have a problem with the small cylinder:
After having well lubed evrything.. the glans, as soon as it starts touching the cylinder everywhere creates a seal (thanks to the lube) and stops sliding (probably because expanding needs less force than pulling.  and it continues expanding, leaving the shaft not fully stretched.
In the medium cylinder it does not do that, there it continues sliding up and stretches the shaft. (the hourglass nearly disappears)
Although in the medium cylinder the glans also expands as to touch all sides of the cylinder, but the bigger diameter lets it slide up.

Here in Small cylinder it is still visible as the shaft is not fully stretched only the glans expands:



If the cylinder would be straight, i suppose it would continue sliding, but as the cylinder is getting smaller and smaller towards the tip, this is why it will not continue sliding.
Diameter difference between tip and bottom of cylinder: 0.5 cm

Luc
PS: i am not good at drawing on a computer, of course the hourglassing is also seen on the other side of the penis, but i didnt figure out how to represent it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 07:01:27 AM »

Luc:

I have never encountered this problem in my experiences with the VED therapy. Perhaps in some cases, the glans is larger than most men, therefore expanding quicker with the vacuum pressure than with a natural erection.

The only solution as I see it is to leave out the small A cylinder usage in the therapy session. And, just go to the B medium cylinder when the A cylinder is listed in the weekly cycles, etc. Lack of lubrication in the A cylinder has been the most problem areas that have been reported in the past.

There are several posts and a note in the three cylinder protocol about leaving out the small cylinder in cases where it is virtually impossible to use it.

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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 08:12:14 AM »

well it is definetly not larger, maybe it expands more....and it certainly is not a lube problem, (i use tons of it)

I was wondering if all ved models had one side with bigger diameter than the other.

actually since I have been leaving out the small cylinder I am very comfortable and also satisfied with outcome.
Of course it is not perfect yet, but I do have the impression it is getting better.
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Re: First Session with VED....not so successful
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 10:49:04 AM »

Well....the good news is I have a well developed sense of humor and it's a bit warped to boot.  I had to chuckle to myself that I'm even engaged in this conversation!!! ;D

But...it's a good one.  I appreciate the input Old Man and Luc (I think your drawing is quite good, actually).

The tube I have is uniform and does not taper at all (1.5 inches I.D. along its length).  So that is not the problem for me.  I will, on next attempt, generously lube the inside of the cylinder (my current toothbrush is ready for replacement so I have a candidate for this use). 

I haven't an issue getting inside while totally flaccid.  Haven't really tried to insert while erect or partially so.  But I can see where the vacuum effect could likely produce a girth that would fill up the tube.  When I got the tube I examined the I.D. of the tube quite a bit and went back and forth as to whether I could fit in there.  I guess I under estimated myself.  ::) 

I'll make an attempt a bit later with a lot of lube on the inside of the tube.  I'm hoping that's the key.  I realize this is a learning experience.  I'll get there.

Thanks again guys !!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 03:43:08 PM »

Shadow:

OK, so you have a VED that has only one cylinder and it is not tapered. If you will, share the brand name and the inside diameter of the cylinder where it fits against your body.

I am sure that there will be some way that we can assist you in getting a successful trial of the VED. Many guys have preliminary problems when starting with vacuum therapy. It takes practice sometimes to get the right hang of the how, what, where and when aspects of the therapy.

Most guys want to get started with the therapy ASAP, but VED therapy is not an overnight type that can be realized without getting your penis used to the added pressure on your penis. So a certain amount of time must be spent in learning the procedure with either the one cylinder or three cylinder VED.

I will be happy to help you with your problems. You might want to work off line with PMs to preclude any problems with private and personal items.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 06:37:31 PM »

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OK, so you have a VED that has only one cylinder and it is not tapered. If you will, share the brand name and the inside diameter of the cylinder where it fits against your body.

Old Man...sorry for the confusion.  Recall I've fashioned a homemade 3-cylinder device (based on the Vitality OTC).  Certainly the tube that came with the pump is tapered.  What's not tapered is the two tubes I cobbled together myself. So the smallest (1.5 ID) and the middle sized (1.75 ID) tubes would not be tapered.

I've got to run out...but I'll be back to let you know how the more recent session went.

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 07:14:42 PM »

Shadow:

OK, my old memory chip seems to going on the blink. However, I PM and post so many times a day, I can't keep up with who, what, where or when!!

Look forward to hearing back from you.

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