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Fasting and Cleansing
« on: July 09, 2012, 12:40:43 PM »

Hi everyone!

Been doing a bit of research on juice cleansing and also fasting. I have a few friends who've been on a juice cleanses (vegetable juices with occasional fruit added like green apple), one of them who's just about to end his 40 day cleanse. Though it hasn't been easy physically and emotionally they've noticed increased energy and overall better health. I've also been reading about how fasting can produce a highly anti-inflammatory response in the body. These studies have mostly been in relation to arthritis however the results are very promising. I read a post on here earlier that said that people fasting for Ramadan afterwards their blood sugar levels went up higher than before because they would go crazy on sweet foods and carbs. However I've read it is possible to keep the anti-inflammatory state by sticking with anti-inflammatory foods that are mostly raw, fresh vegetables etc. for a period after the fast.
Now I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan but I am somewhat swaying in that direction because I would really like to get myself in the most anti-inflammatory state possible. Of course doing a fast can be dangerous if not properly monitored and there are ways of gradually easing into it without suddenly shocking your system with a full on fast. Anyway I'm going to try a juice cleanse first and then some intermitten fasting and post my results.

Here are a couple of articles on the topic;

http://books.google.com/books?id=eju3f4-eiw0C&pg=PT82&lpg=PT82&dq=fasting+anti-inflammatory+arthritis&source=bl&ots=QRFI265FbR&sig=lMr_r__lSyqWwAjgLSzhStCHVgc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_gf7T-aiNKLo2QXY74TQBg&ved=0CFcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=fasting%20anti-inflammatory%20arthritis&f=true

Here is an overview of the detoxification stages during a juice fast. The time periods are a general estimation.

Stage 1 (Day 1 To Day 2)
On the first day of fasting, the blood sugar level drops below 70 mg/dl. To restore the blood to the normal glucose level, liver glycogen is converted to glucose and released into the blood. This reserve is enough for half a day. The body then reduces the basal metabolic rate (BMR). The rate of internal chemical activity in resting tissue is lowered to conserve energy. The heart slows and blood pressure is reduced. Glycogen is pulled from the muscle causing some weakness. The first wave of cleansing is usually the worst.

Headaches, dizziness, nausea, bad breath, glazed eyes and a heavily coated tongue are signs of the first stage of cleansing. Hunger can be the most intense in this period unless the enema is used which quickly assists the body into the fasting state by ending digestion in the colon.

Stage 2 (Day 3 To Day 7)
Fats, composed of transformed fatty acids, are broken down to release glycerol from the gliceride molecules and are converted to glucose. The skin may become oily as rancid oils are purged from the body. People with problem-free skin may have a few days of pimples or even a boil. A pallid complexion is also a sign of waste in the blood. Ketones are formed by the incomplete oxidation of fats. It is suspected that the ketones in the blood suppress the appetite by affecting the food-satiety center in the hypothalamus. You may feel hungry for the first few days of the fast. This effect is temporary. The desire to eat will disappear. Lack of hunger may last 40 to 60 days, depending on whether you are on water or juice.

The body embraces the fast and the digestive system is able to take a much-needed rest, focusing all of its energies on cleansing and healing. White blood cell and immune system activity increases. You may feel pain in your lungs. The cleansing organs and the lungs are in the process of being repaired. Periodically, the lymphatic system expels mucoid matter through the nose or throat. The volume excreted of this yellow-colored mucus can be shocking. The sinuses go through periods of being clogged, then will totally clear. The breath is still foul and the tongue coated. Within the intestine, the colon is being repaired and impacted feces on the intestinal wall start to loosen.

Stage 3 (Day 8 to Day 15)
On the latter part of an extended fast, you can experience enhanced energy, clear-mindedness and feel better than you have felt since childhood. On the downside, old injuries may become irritated and painful. This is a result of the body's increased ability to heal during fasting. If you had broken your arm 10 years before, there is scar tissue around the break. At the time of the break, the body's ability to heal was directly related to lifestyle. If you lived on a junk-food diet, the body's natural healing ability was compromised.

During fasting, the body's healing process is at optimum efficiency. As the body scours for dead or damaged tissue, the lymphocytes enter the older, damaged tissue secreting substances to dissolve the damaged cells. These substances irritate the nerves in the surrounding region and cause a reoccurrence of aches from previously injured areas that may have disappeared years earlier. The pain is good as the body is completing the healing process. The muscles may become tight and sore due to toxin irritation. The legs can be the worst affected, as toxins accumulate in the legs. Cankers are common in this stage due to the excessive bacteria in the mouth. Daily gargling with salt and water will prevent or heal cankers.


Stage 4 (Day 16 to Day 30)
The body is completely adapted to the fasting process. There is more energy and clarity of mind. Cleansing periods can be short with many days of feeling good in between. There are days when the tongue is pink and the breath is fresh. The healing work of the organs is being completed. After the detoxification mechanisms have removed the causative agent or render it harmless, the body works at maximum capacity in tissue proliferation to replace damaged tissue. While a short fast will reduce the symptoms, a longer fast can completely heal. Homeostatic balance is at optimum levels. The lymphatic system is clean except for a rare discharge of mucus through the nose or throat. After day 20, the mind is affected. Heightened clarity and emotional balance are felt at this time. Memory and concentration improve.

Stage 5 (Breaking the Fast)
The sticky, toxic, mucoid coating on the intestinal wall is loose, and the first meal frees it from the intestinal wall. Toxins enter the blood through the colon. The gallbladder dumps its waste in a heavy discharge of bile. This can cause an instant bowel movement upon eating followed by intense diarrhea. If the symptoms are too uncomfortable, an enema will help.
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Re: Fasting and Cleansing
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 08:12:59 PM »

I am somehow skeptical on those issues.
I am not saying it wont work but my experience with a cleansing and fasting experience was as bellow:
When I first find out that I have enlarged prostate, I bought an ebook (don't remember the exact name, my previous computer crashed with no recovery) "Curing yourself from prostate cancer by natural way"
I read carefully all the book pages 3 or 4 times to understand exactly what to do.
I follow the book religiously one point after the other. Fasting, leasing's, replacing all the amalgam feeled tooth (amalgam releases mercury very slowly).
The results:
No any health improvements (I follow the strict instructions for 6 months), today after 5 years what remain is that the fillings that replaced the amalgam are falling together with tooth peaces.
I wanted to write to the book writer regarding my results to ask for his advice.
Unfortunately, he passes away, guess from what? From prostate cancer!!! 

Sorry for my pessimistic post, it's just what happened to me. Maybe I am unlucky.
It may work perfect to you regarding Peyronies

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Re: Fasting and Cleansing
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 11:59:12 PM »

Hey James,

Sorry to hear that you didn't get any results. I don't think any method is going to work for everyone however I myself lean towards natural, holistic methods of healing. The body is far more intelligent than we can consciously be aware of. I can't remember who said it but, if when we woke up we had to consciously turn on all the functions that our body goes through, it would take forever. The body, given the right support and positive mental attitude, can produce everything needed for optimum health. I truly 100% believe this. Now this is a constant journey because this pinnacle is not a static state, or an end it's a progress but a worth while one.
Same goes with the mental state. It's known that if you believe something won't work your body will reject it. It might get a little better but who wants a little?
Any mental blockage will manifest eventually as a physically blockage, and a blockage in the flow = inflammation = almost every illness that exists.
We're like a conscious circuit of energy, you gotta keep a steady flow and not get caught up on things so much otherwise your body will give you a little warning, then a bigger warning, and then a huge slap in the face warning to WAKE UP! and change something.

Of course this is just my opinion and I'm still trying to follow my own advice most of the time.

I'm gonna try a cleanse and possibly a fast and see what it does to the inflammation. I'll post back here soon!

Chris
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Re: Fasting and Cleansing
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 10:17:44 PM »

cbijk

I don't say it will not work for you. It may work, especially if you believe in that. Wish you good luck from all my hearth.

I believed in the book I have bought, but the results was zero and as I wrote by the end it was not helpful even the book author as he had passed away from prostate cancer that he helled himself already by cleansing and fasting. What an irony.

I am appreciating very much some of the Far East old fashion medicine because I had also very good experiences
* Thai classic massage with a real specialist make to disappear my low back and neck pain. Excellent doctors wanted to make me back surgery to solve the problem. I didn't agree because they have 50% of success. I have paid a lot of money to chiropractors with zero results.
* I was suffering from migraines almost every month (sometimes more) from the age of 12 (65 now). Three years ago I begin to drink twice a day Chinese herbal tea that supposed to solve the problem and I am migraine free, now one or two tea per week for maintenance.
* Again, a combination of two Chinese herbal capsules dissolved in three months completely the many and big stones I had in both my kidneys. It didn't helped with the stones in my bladder.

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 10:18:40 AM »

Hey James,

Sorry to hear that you didn't get any results. I don't think any method is going to work for everyone however I myself lean towards natural, holistic methods of healing. The body is far more intelligent than we can consciously be aware of. I can't remember who said it but, if when we woke up we had to consciously turn on all the functions that our body goes through, it would take forever. The body, given the right support and positive mental attitude, can produce everything needed for optimum health. I truly 100% believe this. Now this is a constant journey because this pinnacle is not a static state, or an end it's a progress but a worth while one.
Same goes with the mental state. It's known that if you believe something won't work your body will reject it. It might get a little better but who wants a little?
Any mental blockage will manifest eventually as a physically blockage, and a blockage in the flow = inflammation = almost every illness that exists.
We're like a conscious circuit of energy, you gotta keep a steady flow and not get caught up on things so much otherwise your body will give you a little warning, then a bigger warning, and then a huge slap in the face warning to WAKE UP! and change something.

Of course this is just my opinion and I'm still trying to follow my own advice most of the time.

I'm gonna try a cleanse and possibly a fast and see what it does to the inflammation. I'll post back here soon!

Chris

cb have you tried the fast yet? If so have you seen any results. I did some reading after you posts and decided to fast once a month for a 24 hour period. I have had results but I am attributing it to the stem cell injections I had but I would be curious to see if you have tried it and gotten any results?
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Re: Fasting and Cleansing
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 07:54:31 PM »

I would really like to get myself in the most anti-inflammatory state possible.

Vegetarian/vegan is not going to help you with that much. Meat and veg, minimising carbs and focusing on healthy fats (that includes animal fats) with a good omega 3:6 ratio is how you will minimise inflammation.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 03:51:58 PM »

I agree with you about healthy fats and veg but they are soooo many studies done that show that meat has an inflammatory response in the body. By far it's not the only cause, however more and more I am steering away from eating meat and more and more I am feeling an overall sense of vitality and energy.
I come from a Persian background of big heavy meals consisting of lots of meat and tons of rice. I am only now starting to see that the best way to equip the body with the tools needed to maintain healthy balanced function is to feed the body with as many living fresh foods as possible. While I still enjoy the taste of meat and still eat it now and again, it just doesn't feel healthy eating dead animal muscle anymore. Not when there are so many alternatives. Of course I only speak from my own experience and everyone needs to asses their own needs and concerns.

As for the fast I haven't done it yet. With the amount of hours I'm working I don't want to put my body under too much strain so I'm waiting for some time off before I really get into it. I did do a cleanse and noticed improved energy and mood as well as improved erections
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 07:48:14 PM »

I agree with you about healthy fats and veg but they are soooo many studies done that show that meat has an inflammatory response in the body. By far it's not the only cause, however more and more I am steering away from eating meat and more and more I am feeling an overall sense of vitality and energy.
I come from a Persian background of big heavy meals consisting of lots of meat and tons of rice. I am only now starting to see that the best way to equip the body with the tools needed to maintain healthy balanced function is to feed the body with as many living fresh foods as possible. While I still enjoy the taste of meat and still eat it now and again, it just doesn't feel healthy eating dead animal muscle anymore. Not when there are so many alternatives. Of course I only speak from my own experience and everyone needs to asses their own needs and concerns.

As for the fast I haven't done it yet. With the amount of hours I'm working I don't want to put my body under too much strain so I'm waiting for some time off before I really get into it. I did do a cleanse and noticed improved energy and mood as well as improved erections

Show me these studies.

The problems with inflammation from the diet you describe will be from the rice.

Anything inflammatory with regards to meat is due to omega 3:6 ratio, not the meat. Get grass fed beef, no inflammation issues.

Vegetables can help, but your desire to go vegetarian/vegan is based in folklore not science.

Here are some good anti-inflammatory veggies - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/reduce-inflammation/#axzz26rrNzVWA

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 08:46:48 PM »

I am living in Muslim countries for the last 16 years. The fast of the Ramadan (one months more or less) is ending with people more fat and some with more health problems. And is not from excessive eating at night, because after the few days at start people are eating less and less at night, even less than when they are not fasting. I don't have a logic explanation for that.

Regarding meat, I am eating local beef that mostly is grass feed (I mean they fed alone in the field) so I suppose the omega 3:6 ratio is OK.
I would like to ask a question regarding other kind of meat:
What about chicken, duck, turkey, goose (hope I wrote it correct) regarding inflammation?
What about pork meat? Fresh and processed?

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 07:13:08 AM »

I agree with you about healthy fats and veg but they are soooo many studies done that show that meat has an inflammatory response in the body. By far it's not the only cause, however more and more I am steering away from eating meat and more and more I am feeling an overall sense of vitality and energy.
I come from a Persian background of big heavy meals consisting of lots of meat and tons of rice. I am only now starting to see that the best way to equip the body with the tools needed to maintain healthy balanced function is to feed the body with as many living fresh foods as possible. While I still enjoy the taste of meat and still eat it now and again, it just doesn't feel healthy eating dead animal muscle anymore. Not when there are so many alternatives. Of course I only speak from my own experience and everyone needs to asses their own needs and concerns.

As for the fast I haven't done it yet. With the amount of hours I'm working I don't want to put my body under too much strain so I'm waiting for some time off before I really get into it. I did do a cleanse and noticed improved energy and mood as well as improved erections

Show me these studies.

The problems with inflammation from the diet you describe will be from the rice.

Anything inflammatory with regards to meat is due to omega 3:6 ratio, not the meat. Get grass fed beef, no inflammation issues.

Vegetables can help, but your desire to go vegetarian/vegan is based in folklore not science.

Here are some good anti-inflammatory veggies - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/reduce-inflammation/#axzz26rrNzVWA

I have been doing lots of research and discovered this same info as well. None grass fed beef or grain finished have really high omega 6 ratio but when you get grass fed grass finished the balance is much better. I found one artical that I'm looking for again that did a study of people that ate only grass fed/finished meat to others that ate grain fed/finished meat and the grass fed group had much better levels of omega 3's in there body. It's also interesting you get much more micronutrients from grass fed/finished beef, the one artical I read stated you get 4x the amount of vitamin E from grass feed opposed to grain fed. Here's a quick list of the benefits from grass fed

Lower in total fat
Higher in beta-carotene
Higher in vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol)
Higher in the B-vitamins thiamin and riboflavin
Higher in the minerals calcium, magnesium, and potassium
Higher in total omega-3s
A healthier ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids (1.65 vs 4.84)
Higher in CLA (cis-9 trans-11), a potential cancer fighter
Higher in vaccenic acid (which can be transformed into CLA)
Lower in the saturated fats linked with heart disease

Eat Wild - Health Benefits

I have been on grass fed meats for almost a month, basically I eat nothing but fruits, veggies, nuts, and berries, wild cought sea food, and grass fed beef. The only exception to this is my lunch durning the work week. I have a little meat from a resturant because i don't have a place to store my lunch. I would even eat that if I didnt need almost 300g of protein to keep my weight up. I work out alot and have always need a lot to keep my strength and weight up.

One thing I have noticed being on this grass fed for almost a month is I'm not as tired as I use to be, I also started getting acne/razor burn pimple like break outs on my forarms which started within the last couple years. Since replacing my meats with 99% wild/grass fed this has started to go away. I feel over all better not sure if its all in my head but when I run I feel like I can go much further because it feels easier.

I have read that grain feed includes all types of things cows aren't ment to eat such as pasta, candy, and even candy wrappers. If we are what we eat, shouldn't that apply to the animals we eat. I mean it only seems logical, why would I want to eat something that is eating junk and not a healthy natural diet they will just pass that along to me, so basically if I avoid all the junk my self but eat a animal that is eating junk I'm not doing myself any good.
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Re: Fasting and Cleansing
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 11:35:22 PM »

Thanks for the in-depth information, wow how complete! I have a friend who suffered major headaches all her life, then someone suggested a cleanse and she thought it sounded quite hokey but she tried it... fast forward 2 years. Clear of coffee, sugar and a few other things that seem to be in everyday diets and she gets headaches very rarely and when she does, they are not even near the force they were before. She used to be bedridden from headaches and since she started her new diet, it's been nothing more typical then your average guy's headache becuase of pressure change (living in a mountainous region never helps either!)
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 12:56:30 PM »

RD,
Thanks for your sharing.  Good Info.

I am a believer in what Weston Price foundation says about Grass fed vs. grain fed.  I assume that is your source from your research.

I listen to an interesting radio show on NPR this week talking about Omga fatty acids.  The researchers interviewed confirmed that the group called Omega 6's are inflamatory and the Group called Omega 3's are not.

The component in the Omega 3 that is most beneficial to brain health is the DHA.  It improves circulation to the brain and is anti-inflamatory.  This is why it helps with some depression and cognitive decline.  It also helps with cardio vascular issues in general.

They went on to say you need some Omega 6's but we americans consume too much.  Vegtible oils have too much omega 6's.   I avoid canola, corn, and other vegtable oils.  Olive oil is good.  It is mostly omega 9's.  They did not get into this but I know this from other readings.

I don't see any  reason someone should supplement with Omega 6's.  It sure seems we get more than enough from food.

They went on to say fatty fish are one of the best sources of Omega 3's.  The fish get it from their diet.  Their bodies don't naturally make it.  Salmon was mentioned as a good source.  If it is Farm raised it is very important that it was feed the right kind of food or else it will not have much, if any.  I am not sure how you would know this when buying it at a store.  The grocery stores don't provide this kind of info. Any how , not yet. I am sure there are good and bad fish farms.  Since I can't tell what is in the store, I always buy wild caught fish.

They also said that white fish does not have very much Omega 3's.

The other thing I would like to add is that butter is a healthy fat if it is from a grass fed cow. I know this is counter to what we have been told for years.  The Kerry Gold brand,  which is from Ireland, is a good one that is commonly found in the grocery stores I frequent.

Good Luck
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