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lmspca

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Hourglass treatments
« on: October 03, 2019, 04:52:57 PM »

I have a appointment coming up with Dr Levine in regards to the indentations I have. I noticed them out of nowhere 4 months ago. It looks somewhat like hour glassing, but I do not have any curves, no trauma, no pain, no nothing. Okay, maybe a little erectile dysfunction in regards to keeping it up.
The appointment isn't for another month, have read to treat asap, so should I try a pump now?
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2019, 05:00:40 PM »

I wouldn’t start with anything but oral treatment before a proper diagnosis.
But that’s just my opinion
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 05:11:04 AM »

Start gentle VED asap in my opinion. Rest your penis entirely, change diet, add supplements. Take it very seriously now but try not to freak out at the same time.

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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 06:16:42 AM »

Rest- as in no sex or masturbation?
I started taking supplements last week as well.
Time to order a pump and have at it.
I read on Lavines web page that he likes traction over pumps, but its hard to say for what really. I don't have any curve's as of yet, so not sure traction would even be in the cards.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2019, 10:25:40 PM »

It doesn't matter. Traction will pull/destroy the plaques that cause the intendations while the tissue around them gets more elastic.
Imo, and I always say that, applying transdermals to the plaques, can have a huge impact. But I guess a doc wouldn't be cool with that. That said you guys can be glad that you have good docs in the US who specialize.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2019, 03:55:09 AM »

Melting you mention transdermals, what active ingredient is in these transdermals
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2019, 05:33:21 AM »

I'm curious what you guys think about something. Would you say there are two different types of hourglassing? One being inflamed wasting of the penile muscle; the other inflamed plaque? Or would you consider this the same thing?

Edit: well, the thumbnail thing that pops up over keywords seems to have answered my question. How can one tell the difference? And does anyone believe VED would have positive effect on wasting, in terms of girth? If "wasting" is present, yet inflamed, would it not be considered scar tissue, which by extensions is Peyronie's disease? My remaining inflammation is at these sites of either wasting or hourglassing. It is a bit confusing to me. I'm confident I'll knock the inflammation out soon with fasting, but I'm concerned about whether or not VED will be an effective treatment to apply for the purpose of regaining girth/lost dimensions after the inflammation is gone, if it is truly considered wasting and not hourglassing.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2019, 12:26:27 PM »

As I understand it inflammation is an underlying cause or exacerbation of the damaged tissue resulting in plaque. By treating both inflammation with diet or  supplements it makes the treatments impacting the plaque (VED, traction, surgery, etc) more effective and also has a preventative effect re any worsening.

One can start treatments early if done safely.  Read the survival guide to get started: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,3180.msg44057.html#msg44057

I don’t believe there is a need to abstain from sex or masturbation unless it is uncomfortable or painful and if only done when 80% or more erect.

Also, be careful w creating your own transdermals, not a lot of evidence for them...but be fully educated on what your doing esp w DSMO.  Some evidence for the topical voltaren (generic ok) for treating peyronies and esp for pain.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2019, 11:29:03 PM »

JS1991, The smooth muscles in the Corpora Cavernous chambers inflate during an erection. They are many small chambers interconnected similar to how a honeycomb or sponge looks. Arteries feed the blood into them.
The tunica is wrapped around them and gives way up to a certain point.

The inflexible hard plaque is preventing the Smooth muscles "chamber" and then the Tunica from expanding. Hence the intendation where the plaque is and possibly a hard/erect penis where there's no plaque.

I guess it's possible that the arteries and veins in some smooth muscles "chambers" are not functioning well and thus not expand. But I would assume that would affect the whole penis..

I think bends happen when the plaque is further out creating a hinge/fulcrum effect where it sit. With hourglas the plaque is more "inside". Looking at anatomy pics helps to understand.

The inflexibility is why I use transdermals, they soften the plaque and allow more flexibility. I was not functioning when the plaque was hard. Now that it got softer and smaller the intendetion doesn't affect me that much anymore.

skunkworks, DMSO+X, mostly ascorbic acid, magnesium, vit e. Everything that is indicated to "combat" the plaque and small enough of a molecule.

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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2019, 03:51:28 PM »

I think you misunderstood my question. When you mouse over the word "wasting" a little window pops up with a description reading: "Gradually reducing the fullness and strength of the body or a body part: a wasting disease. (sometimes misused for hourglass deformity)"

My questions were:

What is the difference between wasting and hourglassing?
How can you tell which one you have?
Will VED help restore dimensions to someone with wasting?
Is it possible for an area with wasting to be inflamed, since inflammation = scar tissue,  which should = hourglassing?

I'd love to speak with the person who wrote that. Was it Hawk?
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 06:50:57 PM »

Yeah, I see that and then search on google further:

"In medicine, wasting, also known as wasting syndrome, refers to the process by which a debilitating disease causes muscle and fat tissue to "waste" away."

I doubt that this happens to anyone here. At best I would interpret it in connection with peyronies as age related wasting of the tissue loosing flexibility, arterial strength etc. that's why I talked about smooth muscles in my post.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2019, 01:18:37 AM »

The reason I bring it up is because my urologist, when examining me, grabbed the head of my penis, stretched it outwards as far as he could, then pointed to the middle of my shaft where I thought I had hourglassing and said, "you have wasting in the middle there." I don't know if he's heard of the term hourglassing to be honest. And the area where this is on my penis is the main site of inflammation for me. The tissue also feels soft, but I guess that can be because it isn't calcified. Just want to make sure VED is worth the time in treating this specific location.
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Re: Hourglass treatments
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2019, 06:30:32 PM »

Hi JS1991,

It could be that the doctor meant "waisting" as another term for hourglassing, rather than "wasting" in the context of a tissue loss disease.
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