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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2010, 03:00:45 PM »

Hi Dale,

How's the VED working out for you? I'm getting mine in the mail tomorrow hopefully, I got the 3-day shipping to here in Canada. Did it cause any discomfort for you?
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2010, 12:50:21 AM »

After reading all the material here about post-surgery VED use, I opted for a manual pump instead of the battery-operated ones. I checked out the medical models online, and I checked out the local sex shops (eeek! what awful stuff they sell) and various on-line retailers. I wanted three interchangeable cylinders, a pressure gauge, and the quick-release valve.

After trolling through way too many sites, and seeing too many sights (all these 2-second repeating porn clips to advertise cam sex sites etc - really annoying when you are trying to focus on the merchandise) I found a manual pump with gauge and quick release valve that came with one cylinder (your choice of three sizes) and the two other cylinders were available separately. The small one is the same size as the Augusta medium, I believe, at 1.75". Because I was a larger size before my operation AND I had the graft material to accommodate, I ordered this as my small and then ordered the 2" and 2.25". This seems to have been a wise choice, because the 1.75" is snug even to start with. I don't think I would have been able to use the 1.5" size properly. Besides, the smaller one is supposed to be for shaping and length - and in theory my shape has been fixed by the surgery. For now I will use the 1.75 and the 2 and see if the 2.25 is warranted when I get to that week in the protocol.

Anyway - I ordered the pump and all three cylinders, paying for expedited shipping from the US to Canada. The total with shipping was about $258 CAD - which is much cheaper than the bells and whistles models. And without expedited shipping it is some $25 less. The parcel arrived promptly two weeks ago. I had to pay GST on receipt.

The cylinders are solidly made - these seem much better than the crap I saw in the stores. Although there are no inserts like the medical models, these have a very wide rim and I have had no trouble getting a good seal without shaving or trimming - just using a little lube on the lip of the tube. I have been using very low pressure to start, and the pump works perfectly. There are no measurement marks on the cylinders, but I wouldn't be using those anyway because I'm doing monthly measurements and trying not to obsess.

I would include a link here, but the link to the electronic store was through a members-only site with some very strong content that "might not be suitable for all viewers". I'll dig out the documentation that arrived with it and see if there is an easier way.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2010, 01:08:57 PM »

Hey fellow Canadian:)

Good on you, for looking into the best pump that suits you and that you are most comfortable with. I bought the augustine medical pump everyone here uses but it dosen't have a guage, which I really would have liked to have. Although, I wanted to have something everyone here is familiar with and several people assured me that I don't need a guage. I guess I'll find out how comfortable I am without a guage in a few days when I get the pump.

So do you find the guage very useful? I bet you pump up to the exact pressure you want all the time, like 5 PSI or something. Are you following one of the protocols on the site? I'm not exactly sure how it's going to work when I start using my pump but I picture using a low vacuum, waiting for the erection, holding the erection for 15 secs and releasing for a minute for erection to subside then create vacuum and wait for erection again, repeat 10 times. Is this similar to how you do it? How does the unit feel? You get a nice pump all day long now? Erection quality ok or maybe alittle different? Some people mentioned a more spongy soft erection form the VED.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2010, 01:49:35 PM »

So do you find the guage very useful? I bet you pump up to the exact pressure you want all the time, like 5 PSI or something.

I needed the gauge because I have no feeling post-op. I am told sensation returns gradually over 6 months, but right now there is nothing - so I could not rely on how the pump FEELS. I am pumping only to a pressure of 5 max right now, and following the 26 week 3-cylinder protocol. I am only holding for a max of 10 seconds - and usually only 5 or 6. I don't wait a full minute - I aim for a rhythm: about 10 seconds pumping up to pressure, 5-10 seconds holding, release for about 10 seconds. So the whole procedure, including getting everything prepped and then washed up, is taking less than 20 minutes.

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How does the unit feel? You get a nice pump all day long now? Erection quality ok or maybe alittle different? Some people mentioned a more spongy soft erection form the VED.

I don't FEEL anything yet, really, except a bit of the pressure of the base of my penis against the interior wall of the cylinder. Because of the surgery, I have no idea what a normal erection would be for me now, or how this is different. I had NO erections at all before I started with the VED - but it has only been just over a week with the unit and three weeks with the FastSize traction device. The engorgement from the pump subsides quite quickly - I don't use a cockring or anything to keep the erection. My erections without the pump are pretty much what I would expect after the amount of work that had to be done one me - my penis is considerably smaller. It gets hard enough to point straight out, but it seems fragile somehow. I am not having penetrative sex at this point - I don't trust that the erection is strong enough yet to do that safely.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2010, 06:35:02 AM »

Brightdog - thanks for posting your experience - looks like you made a great choice on therapy equipment and I wish you a successful recovery. Please continue to post about your progress.
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Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2010, 07:43:10 AM »

I have done a bit of research and here's what I have found so far...

While there are many sources for separate cylinders, here are 3 vendors that seem to take pumping very seriously:

http://www.cockpump.com/

http://www.vacutech.com/home.asp

http://www.bostonpump.com/

I am not advocating some of crazy stuff people do with these products but I do think using these separate cylinders is a reasonable approach to VED therapy for Peyronie's.

All of these cylinders require a separate pump. The vendors usually offer a variety of pumps: plastic and metal hand pumps; even electric. These pumps can be purchased from automotive supply or tool stores at lower costs - BUT a special connector is needed to attach to the cylinder - which adds to the price of the pump. The vendors listed above sell the connectors as well as kits that include cylinders, pumps, tubing and connectors.
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2010, 01:14:32 AM »

Here's a good quality pump. The same as those pumps you have links to, but half the price. Plus you get 2 cylinders with this one from ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2-Stage-2-Comfort-Sleeve-Penis-Scrotum-Pump-Kit-3-25-/300371202855?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ef84d327

If I don't like the Augusta pump, I'm gonna get this one.

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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2010, 08:27:07 AM »

crashbandit:

Just read your post about the VED on EBay. This pump may be all right for some guys, but for Peyronies Disease therapy it is mostly like a sex toy penis pump. It will not produce the good results that VED should when being used for Peyronies Disease therapy. It actually costs more than the basic VED shown from the Augusta company (the Vitality OTC one cylinder VED). The Vitality unit is of a high grade medical quality and will way outlast the one you show in your post.

The only drawback in price, if there is one, is the fact that the Augusta extra cylinders do cost more. However, by purchasing the basic unit and the two extra cylinders, the cost overall is way below the price of the Augusta Somaerect three cylinder unit which also requires an RX from a doctor to purchase.

So, way the odds of longevity between the two VEDs and you will see a better deal with the Vitality unit.

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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2010, 04:44:04 PM »

$Bandit

I too looked at the eBay link you posted - a few comments:

The vendor is OK but the product is not suitable for Peyronie's therapy because the cylinders are too big (diameter). The 3.25" cylinder is intended to pump the penis and scrotum at the same time - a practice that may well cause more harm than good but to each his own.

If you want to go the separate cylinder route then I suggest you start with the smallest cylinder possible - usually LESS than 2" and a pump from an auto parts store or Harbor Freight.

If you want to purchase from eBay, do some more searching and you will find plenty of cylinders and pumps. You may have to go into the "everything else" then "adult only" category of the US version of eBay.

Since you already have the Vitality OTC, I suggest you go ahead and get started. After a few weeks you will have a much better idea of what you may want to change in terms of equipment.
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2010, 07:59:51 AM »

Bandit:

Since you already have the Vitality OTC, just order the two extra cylinders from Augusta and proceed with the 26 week protocol with it.

You won't find a better medical grade VED anywhere and as Mike_O says, stay away from the cheap sex toy and auto store model pumps and cylinders.

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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2010, 08:43:10 PM »

For sure Old Man, I think I will be getting the 2 extra cylinders. Although, I don't have a banana curve when erect. If this is the case, do I really need the other 2 cylinders? I have a curve while semi-erect, beggining stages of Peyronies Disease? Also I have a light stinging close to my glan and in into my glan and a constant slight aching in the left side of my shaft.

I dont think that pump I posted from ebay is a cheap one though. It is identical (if not made from LA pumps) to the pumps from LA pmps and there are high quality pumps. Go to the first link in Mike's post to go to LA pumps homepage.

Yea, at first I thought it would be cool to get the cock and balls cylinder that comes with the pump from ebay, maybe play with it with wifey or something:) But I knew that would require long duration hold times which I'll never subject my beloved penis to ever.

I must admit, I had purchased an LA pump before, 6 year ago. And I used to be into the penis enlargment racket, which I regret now. Those stupid mistakes we make at a young healthy age can come back to haunt a guy.

I'm not saying all my current penis problems came from penis enlargement because I'm sure the time I heard a "pop" when my wife was going hard cowgirl style didn't help either. Or all the times I slept of my stomach and therefore my poor, rock hard erection, arrgghh, makes me sick to think about how clueless we are when we are young and ignorant...

Sorry about jumping around there, I'm just blahbing away.
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2010, 09:54:27 PM »

crashbandit:

The decision would be yours based on what exercises you desire to do for therapy. If you are just going for the regular exercise, then the basic VED would work. Several guys are using only one cylinder VEDs and that was my first VED for my therapy. However, with the one cylinder VED, the old Osbon Esteem Erecaid, it took over a year of daily use for me to get rid of the Peyronies Disease symptoms.

The three cylinder models do have a tendency to produce faster results. The small A cylinder confines the shaft into a very tight formed shape and also pulls it in a very straight setup. All of the three cylinder exercise protocols are designed to vary the size, shape and condition of the shaft over an extended period of time which makes for a better overall therapy, etc.

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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2010, 05:11:06 PM »

dale,  please keep us updated on this as if Augusta are unwilling to supply the other cylinders separately then that is a bit of a problem for us who want to purchase the one clinder VED and then go down that route.....
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Hi everyone,, new here as far as poting but want to chime in about Augusta issue.  I ordered the vitality thru wisdomking (great price) and the two cylinders via Augusta.  Was worried when I read the post about them not sending out, but after I ordered I saw them take $110 out of my bank about 1--2 weeks later and have recieved them without issue.  So maybe I got lucky or they have eased up. 

So now I am going to start protocol.  Messed around with the VED when I first got it and not sure it I was doing it right, in fact it felt like my penis filled with blood but had no increase in size or erection.   Not sure what I was doing wrong and will read everything here about its application.  I will keep a log and keep evryone posted about the results. 

Just want to thank the people of this site for giving me hope where their was none.  I am 51 and do not have Erectile Dysfunction except that the condition cuases so much anxiety as to give me Erectile Dysfunction when under pressure to perform.

Take care.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2010, 09:22:40 PM »

Confirmed: I too was able to purchase the VED from Wisdom King (how can they have such a good price) and the cylinders from Augusta.  Both purchases happened online and were delivered within a few days.

Actually I was very pleased with Augusta.  I had tried to submit the order for the cylinders, and something went wrong and the order didn't go through.  I was worried that they had charged my card without getting the order so I sent them a note.  The sales manager and I exchanged a few messages confirming that my card wasn't charge and she could find no record of my order, so I re-ordered.  Very friendly and helpful.

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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2010, 12:56:15 AM »

I did receive the Vitality OTC from Wisdomking website and sent in the registration card to Augusta for the product. I waited a week and then reordered cylinders A and B tonight. Hopefully this will now get my order thru, especially since I see they have fulfilled the order for others on this site recently. I will keep you all posted.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2010, 07:55:28 AM »

Thanks for the update.
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Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2010, 03:22:30 AM »

I live in the UK and bought my pump from bostonpump.com . I'm pretty sure I got the recommendation from here, but I rarely here them talked about nowadays. In did take a while to arrive, but I've never had any problems with it. They sell cylinders seperately too, so there are pretty of options available.
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Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2010, 10:10:01 AM »

Thanks for your post. I did include Boston as a possible source in this thread:
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

I am experimenting with a cylinder very similar to Boston's and will post some observations over the coming weeks.
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« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2010, 12:45:41 PM »

Thanks for your post. I did include Boston as a possible source in this thread:
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

I am experimenting with a cylinder very similar to Boston's and will post some observations over the coming weeks.

Thanks Mike. I have had the odd issue with VEDs, but I have to say that common problems with it cutting into the groin and whatnot have never happened, so I think the cylinders must be quite well made.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2010, 08:05:10 PM »

This whole thing is getting very frustrating.

Here is the latest:

I ordered the cylinder size A and B from the link on this forum again, waited 6 days and noticed still no credit card charge or shipping info from Augusta. So i called them tonight. They had received my order and my registration card where I had registered the Vitality OTC system which I had bought from Wisdomking.com.  According to the rep they have no cylinders which fit inside the Vitality OTC and the system I bought from WisdomKing is a one cyclinder system.  From what I am reading on here others are using the Wisdomking Vitality OTC and the cyclinders from Augusta with no problems?  Isnt this correct?  
Furthermore, on my registration card I had indicated Erectile Dysfunction as my reason for ordering the VED since I was told (on this thread) this could alleviate the problems with Augusta, actually I have Peyronies. The rep on the phone said the multicylinder system is for Peyronies. LOL

So are these Augusta people just f'^+'ing with me or what?  

Anyway I need to know if the Viatality OTC has the smaller cyclinders and where can I buy them without having to jump thru hoops? Augusta simply refuses to sell them to me
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2010, 10:17:04 PM »

Dale

Sorry you having problems getting the cylinders This is relatively a new process.It could be the representative has no clue of what you are talking about or they are misshandiling the order.

I looked at the links Angus set up it looks like a simple process to me , did you try to order from the links?I am getting confused to why some are having no problems and some are.
I did see after hitting the link they are labeld as SOMA erect and not vitality maybe there is some confusion there as I did not see any model number either.

I may trying to order some from the link as I do not see a restriction stating you have to have a registered product. It would be good to have extra parts and I could send them a registration card because I was told by fitzz I think you have a year to register the product.

I would try to call them again and ask to speak to someone else.Or just use the links provided if you have not already.I personally will try to find out what the heck is going on.So we do not have this issue anymore.

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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2010, 11:13:03 PM »

I ordered directly from the links both times.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2010, 11:18:57 PM »

Dale:

Sorry that you are having problems getting the two extra cylinders for the Vitality OTC one cylinder VED. The cylinders from the Somaerect will fit into the Vitality OTC VED. The links shown on the VED board were set up for the forum members to order them separately. You should have ordered the cylinders using the two links to the A and B cylinders. Had you done that on line in lieu of trying to place the order with the sales rep, you would have had no problem.

Augusta cannot and will not sell the cylinders if you mention Peyronies Disease to them that they are to be used for Peyronies Disease. They are under restrictions that will not allow them sell these items for Peyronies Disease, but they can for Erectile Dysfunction.

I would suggest that you try to place an on line order using the links that are posted by Angus in the VED board of the main forum. If you have difficulty in getting the order placed that way, please let me know so I can resolve the issue with the Augusta Medical Systems company.

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EDIT: Dale did you place these orders on line or in person by phone? Another question: Are you sure that the VED you got from Wisdom King is the same VED as the one that is listed on the Fitzz site that we have been using all along?
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2010, 05:37:37 PM »

Old Man - Thanks for your reply. I ordered from the links on line both times. I never spoke to a rep until I called a week after the 2nd order when it was obvious they were not charging my card. I never stated with the online orders what the reason was for ordering the cylinders as they dont ask. When I spoke with the rep, I told him they were for Erectile Dysfunction, hoping he would then sell them to me. He stated the multi cylinder systems are for Peyronies and not Erectile Dysfunction.   Any help I can get in obtaining these cylinders would be appreciated.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2010, 06:03:53 PM »

We did finally get our cylinders after a few strong emails. They are trying to say that they can not use the cylinders with the OTC (over the counter) version. They worked fine once we got them. They are upset that we are cutting out the sales rep selling the expensive VED system. The urologist PA we saw made an appt. with the rep for us. We looked into buying, but then found how to save money thanks to this site. I ordered the cylinders online, but the rep that we didn't buy from saw the order & contacted us. We had several excuses before they finally let us order. They are OK w/ saying it is for treatment of , but it seems that the expensive version is the only one that is qualified for peyronie's.
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Vitality Link Expired + New Possible Source
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2010, 11:38:53 PM »

Hey everyone. I'm new to the forums, and have done hours and hours of exhausting research. I feel it's time to start a VED and oral supplement treatment program to fix my extreme downward curve with 90 degree right facing twist.

I've been to one Uro, who charged me $200 and said I was born with it. However, among discussion with my parents of memories of when I was a kid, they disagree. My father is friends with a Uro in the Silicon Valley of CA, and he discussed more with me for free, than the Uro I paid for!

Anyways, it looks like the Wisdomking link has expired. The website now says *OBSOLETE* next to the product title, which I figure that means the website has discontinued them.

However, I have found a new link.
diabetessupplies4less.com/94009701.html

Is this site legitimate enough for a safe purchase?

Also, because i have an extreme curve, do I need multiple cylinders? If so, will a purchase from this website allow me to purchase the cylinders from Augusta?

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Vitality Link Expired + New Possible Source
« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2010, 07:42:17 AM »

Nice find on the website to purchase the VED.  As far as Augusta selling you the other 2 cylinders, good luck.  They have sold them to others on this forum but some, including me, can get them to sell to us for unknown reasons. I believe (but cant prove) it has something to do with their sales people not getting commisions when you buy the VED from a 3rd party, so they dont want to process your purchase of the tubes you need to make it a 3 cylinder system. Now it appears Wisdomking cant sell the Vitality OTC because Augusta is demanding they increase the price (per Wisdomkings website)

I wouldnt worry about ordering from that site if you are using a credit card (not a debit card), you can always dispute the purchase if they dont send it but I would try to get the cylinders from Augusta first.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2010, 08:46:30 AM »

This latest twist in the saga of the Vitality OTC VED and Augusta Medical Systems is unfortunate and bordering on ridiculous.

There is nothing "magic" about the Vitality OTC VED. It is a convenient package and WAS easy to buy in the past. Now, apparently, the purchase is more of a challenge.

Given the purchase problems, if I were starting VED therapy for Peyronies today I would avoid the medical VED completely. Cylinders of all sizes and pumps (with and without gauges) are widely available. A 3 separate cylinder system can be purchased for the same cost or less than the cost of the Vitality OTC + 2 cylinders or any other medical VED. See my forum post here:
http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

Over the years (read the past posts on this board) many forum members have been successful with equipment other than the Vitality OTC. The important thing to remember is the therapy and not the equipment.

For folks who have the Vitality OTC but not the extra cylinders, I suggest they be prepared for a struggle from the manufacturer. If you cannot purchase your extra cylinders from Augusta then move forward with the "Single Cylinder VED" protocol posted at the top of the forum.
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« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2010, 03:31:53 PM »

   The sticky post about where to buy VED's is modified. The availability of specific VED's has become too dynamic and there are too many changes to reliable sources to keep posted in a sticky post. The choice of VED and a supplier is up to the individual buyer. We had tried to list sources of VED's recommended by experienced forum members in a simple way, but it didn't work very well as there was much confusion over where to buy components and which components to buy.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2010, 03:38:05 PM »

Angus - Thanks!

The links were helpful while they lasted but you are right - the choice and purchase decision is up to each individual. I am afraid sometimes we put too much emphasis on the equipment and not the technique.

MikeO
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2010, 03:46:44 PM »

Received this email today from Augusta about trying to buy the extra cylinders for my Vitality OTC that I purchased from Wisdomking. They are not going to sell them to me.

Mr. (MY name deleted),

We are not able to process you request for SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinders, these are cylinder inserts that are made specifically for patients who have Peyronies Disease.  They also require a prescription from your doctor, as well as a prescription device.  According to our records you have an over the counter device which does not require a prescription.  We do apologize for the inconvenience.

 

Jennifer Carrion

Customer Relations

Augusta Medical Systems

1-800-827-8382

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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2010, 11:26:48 AM »

   I'm posting this to re-visit home made VED's. I won't rant or argue about them. But I have first hand knowledge about how a home made VED will work and work well. All for about 5 bucks worth of vinyl hose from a building supply and a vacuum pump. If it were me I would build my own again just like I did years ago before I joined in the war of the VED suppliers, the FDA and whoever else has a dog in this hunt and is looking for max profit. The stress some members are going through to get a tube with a vacuum pump should be unacceptable and rediculous. Make your choices wisely and be careful where you buy from.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2010, 11:34:40 PM »

I would like to purchase the Vitality OTC, but I'm discouraged to read that Augusta Medical will not sell the 2 extra cylinders.  Is there another site that sells the other 2 cylinders, or possibly an update on Augusta Medical's stance on selling the extra cylinders?
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2010, 08:26:20 AM »

With the current confusion over the Vitality OTC medical style VED and extra, smaller cylinders, I would suggest either a home-made option (see lots of posts here) or purchase 3 separate cylinders and a separate pump (again see other posts here).

Keep in mind the objective is the therapy - the gentle stretching under vacuum - and not the equipment. I have used both the Vitality OTC and separate cylinders and can say without reservation that both approaches accomplish the objective.

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Re: VED - Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2010, 05:41:51 PM »

Old Man,
I am new to this website as of today.  After reading for a few hours I see that you are incredibly dedicated and helpful and probably the most experienced.

I have had Peyronie's for four years and it keeps getting worse.
I am about half the size I used to be and it keeps getting worse.  The shrinkage is unbearable.
I have tried Pentox for three years, Vit E for four years, and Fastsize for 9 months (was torture).
Now I am ready for a VED.
I read on this site that you recommended:

Fitzz-Vitality
Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641

My doctors assistant recommended:
Osbon Erecaid

Are they the same product with different names.  If not, which do you recommend?

Thank you!
Pat_Hos

 
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2010, 06:01:16 PM »

Pat_hos:

I am sorry to relate to you that the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz is no longer available. For some unknown reason, the FDA made the Augusta Medical Systems quit selling that unit to Fitzz to make up the three cylinder VED. So, it has gone by the wayside.

I personally used the Osbon Esteem one cylinder for my VED therapy. It just took longer to do than the three cylinder model would have done. As far as I know the Obson Esteem VED is still available from the Timm Medical Division of Endocare company.

You can do a Google search on the web for it and may locate several sources for it.

Sorry, I could not help. Regards, Old Man
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2010, 08:59:20 PM »

Pat_hos

When I came to this forum several years ago I already had a Rx single cylinder VED. Old Man helped me with the single cylinder exercise. I have it posted on the VED board.

It is a little slower than the three cylinder exercise but does work. I lost about 20% of my penile size and the VED helped me regain a lot. I my condition and Erectile Dysfunction got real bad and I had to go for the penile implant. My doctor said that the daily exercise I did helped with my better than expected outcome.

Good Luck, any way I can help let me know.

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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2010, 07:49:31 PM »

I want to purchase the Vitality from Diabetic Wholesale company but need the extra tubes.What i wanted to do is try and purchase the cylinders from augusta before i bought the Vitality. Augustas website at augustams.com/store/store_sub.cfm?Category_ID=13  shows the cylinders on the page but would i need any other accessories like the sizing adapters?Page 2 at the above link has the SomaCorrect Negative Pressure Insert so how is this different from the SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinder?Trying to buy these from augusta seems like a crapshoot but I would like to have the 3 cylinder system.thanks jesse
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Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2010, 01:48:52 AM »

Old Man and Jackp,

Thank you both for your replies.  I appreciate it.

I will proceed with the Osbon Erecaid prescription my doctor gave me (but he doubts my Blue Cross Insurance will cover it).  If there is only a one cylinder system available then I will have to go with that.  Frankly until I start using it I don't know the difference but once I read the instructions ans start using it I am sure it will all make sense.  Perhaps I can buy the two other cylinders elsewhere when I am ready for them.

I looked through the old posts and came upon the pasted section below from Jackp, this must be post you referred to...
(I must say it looks like quite a time ordeal but I will have to work it into my schedule in the hope I might gain back some of what I have lost.)

This exercise is modified for those that already have a medical grade VED. Old Man was kind enough to recommend it for me.

VED EXERCISE

SINGLE CYLENDER MEDICAL GRADE MODELS

Erectile Dysfunction, PEYRONIES, CORPORAL FIBROSIS AND VENOUS LEAKAGE

As some of you know the instructions that come with the VED can be vague. Old Man recommended this exercise for me.

NEVER PUMP TO THE POINT OF PAIN OR EXCESS PRESSURE!! I did at first and caused a bruise on my penis that took weeks to heal. With this more is not better. Also hair can be a problem getting a good seal. Some of us just keep it trimmed back and others shave around the penis, what ever works for you. Do Not use a constriction ring for exercise.

VED for exercise. Every day.
Start with a good seal and pump to about 80% erect. Hold for 15-20 seconds then release, (do not break seal). Do this for about 5 minutes.

Over the next 5 minutes pump up to a 100% erection using the pump hold and release method.

The next 5 minutes keep pumping to 100% erection using the pump and hold. Caution do not over pump to the point of pain. At this point if you have shrinkage you may see some gain. After a few weeks.

VED for sex.
Start by properly placing the constriction ring on the cylinder. Get a good seal and pump to about 80% erection using pump and hold about 5 times. Then increase to about 90% erection and place the constriction ring.

Constriction Rings.
Constriction ring fit is a personal thing what may be right for me will not work for you. It will not be comfortable the first few times you use it. Trial and error are the only way to find which ring holds you best. Do not use over 30 minutes.

IMHO Osborn makes the best constriction rings. I had severe venous leakage and corporal fibrosis so I had to use the Osborn D ring. (Very tight.)

Any questions just let me know.

JackP
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2010, 08:40:04 PM »

Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2010, 08:14:04 AM »

What company did you buy your extra tubes from?  I can't seem to find Augusta on the webpage.

Thanks
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« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2010, 03:50:06 PM »

Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price

This is great to hear! Congratulations! Good luck with your progress.
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2010, 07:57:22 AM »

Found Augusta on the web- They took my order for the A & B tubes at $55 each.  I also purchased the Vitality for $99 from diabetessupplies4less.  Hopefully they arrive soon to begin the potential process of recovery.  I want to thank everyone for posting on this site.  I was diagnosed several months ago and my urologist said take vit e and give it time.  Reading all of the info here has given me hope that there may be help.  I found a specialist in Denver and will provide an update after my visit today.  :-\ 
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2010, 10:23:54 AM »

I called augusta today and the salesperson said they are only selling the tubes to existing patients or new patients with a prescription that buy a whole 3 cylinder system. I cant figure how others are able to order just the cylinders A and B from Augusta because they wont sell them to me. They didnt know who I was as I never gave them a name.
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« Reply #94 on: November 19, 2010, 08:47:06 PM »

To Dale1122,
I didn't call.  I figured with trying to purchase on-line there wouldn't be any questions.  Maybe the on-line purchase will work? ???
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #95 on: November 21, 2010, 02:57:15 AM »

Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price

To reiterate, I also got them with no problem, but it was 2 weeks before my cc was charged.  So I suggest giving it a try and if they refuse look elsewhere.  Strange how they are so inconsistant.  I can understand if one of the reps dislikes the fact that they are bypassed by us getting a cheaper version (and I dislike that they are over priced).  Its just two plastic tubes for Gods sake.

Dale, use another name and a different CC.  If having an issue finding other sources it may be worth a try?
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Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2010, 07:51:33 PM »

Had similar experience with Augusta.  Ordered two additional tubes on their website and received an email that I was required to have a prescription device first before I could order the two tubes and a separate prescription for the two tubes.  My VED was Augusta's Vitality but not purchased from them directly.

Without sending in any prescription, I waited a week and then reordered two tubes on their website and they came a week later with no questions asked.
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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2010, 08:36:02 AM »

Could the FDA ruling also effect the availability of the single tube Vitality unit?  I have had a manual unit on order from Fitzz for two months.  When I inquire about the order, they say it is on back order.

My first one worked until I dropped the tube for the 3rd time and it finally broke at the threads.   I figured it would be good to buy a replacement pump too, but now I will order a replacement tube from Augusta.
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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2010, 11:37:17 AM »

Alfapd

You miight want to try americandiabeteswholesale you can buy the whole vitality unit for 89.00 $. You can also buy spare parts for cheap including the pump or cylinders.

Good luck : fubar
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Re: Idea for buying Vitality with cylinders
« Reply #99 on: December 07, 2010, 12:46:21 AM »

Jesse

I would just take a shot on line that would be your best choice. As if they charge your card they would be obligated to send you product. Just a thought on obtaining on what you desire for a remedy.

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