Stretching Exercises

[michaelb]

My doctor recommended manual stretching exercises instead of a manual device.  Anyway regardless of opinion on using a device or not, I've noticed that stretching may actually be detrimental in terms of pain.  I was doing the exercises 3x a day as instructed for a while.  Still had painful erections of course.  I stopped doing the stretching for a while and the painful erections almost stopped.  I went back to some stretching and the pain started again, so I again stopped.  I am assuming the stretching is causing more inflammation, which I would also assume would lead to more scar tissue? I could of course be completely wrong but it's something I have noticed and am very positive that the stretching causes pain to return. Thoughts?

[james1947]

michaelb

I assume you are right:

I am assuming the stretching is causing more inflammation

This is the reason of the pain.
But I think:

...I would also assume would lead to more scar tissue?

I think not. But is just my private opinion.
Are you taking some oral medications/supplements? Pentox for the pain maybe?

James

[michaelb]

Yeah Pentox, Colcrys, Ubiquinol, Acetyl, blah blah, the whole deal.  I don't think the stretching could be effective at this point anyway.  Hopefully getting Xiaflex injections in a few weeks but finally wasn't waking up at 3am in crazy pain anymore and then I went back to stretching and the pain came back.

[hopefulson]

yo man ive been doing some  stretches i found on a ebook and they helped but then the second week i was suposed to do more nyways i jus  started having pain i did it right i think the first couple times and it helped now im not sure what kinda excezises if u feel like describing them im mad curious the ones ive been doing say its advised to do on 5 conseacutive days which i really havent been doing and now in the second week it takes lik 4 hours and i have to keep getting a 60 percent errection each time i do one rep

....alright V ima take your advice this time dnt give up on me ive been eatin super healthy n everything i figured out my strech for the ligiments slightly up to my chest and way right. btw my penis shape keeps changig doing this i think i finaly got it where it suports itself again no more trying to watch porn to make sure it works ima just wait plus i get so much anxiey while my penis is healing

[NeoV]

Pain is never a good sign, stop before it happens.

Since I am the one here claiming to have nearly cured himself with manual stretching, let me just say that I never needed to stretch hard at all.
I only stretched at a downward angle with a slightly engorged penis in order to stretch the connective tissue, putting very little of not any strain on the penis itself.

Only my opinion of course.

-V

[Douglas Hall]

NeoV,

I am interested in your stretching approach. Where exactly is the connective tissue you targeted?
I have indentation at the bottom third on the left side, narrowing on the bottom 1/8 of the right side...baseball bat like.

Anyway, I have rotation 45 degrees to the left when flaccid, semi-erect.
I wonder if I have plaque on the inside of my body causing this, or if ligaments are the case like you have alluded to?

Any advice?

[NeoV]

Hey Douglas, I'm so sorry for replying so late. I always want to reply to these questions correctly, and since it's a touchy subject (all of our cases are different, may be dangerous), I tend to let them go too long! Anyway, I do firmly think that stretching has helped me immensely if not basically cured me of a bad dent and hour glassing.

In my case, I benefited from stretching my penis downward, gently. Usually slightly engorged. I sit at the edge of a chair and will pull it down towards the floor and slightly right and left, often times under one leg. Reach being one leg and grab your penis and pull it down and behind that corresponding leg. This gives me immediate reduction in deformity, and even more when slightly engorged. Target the connective tissue, not the penis itself, this should be done very lightly. Also try stretching straight out from your body and at various low angles.

This all started when I read online what people had been doing to stretch their ligaments and found a ridiculous stretch the "fowfer", where you basically grab your penis from behind you and pull it under your butt and sit on it or use a pillow to hold it while lying on your side.

I tried this and immediately by deformity was 90% gone. Why? I have simply no idea. It seems that I always had a very high erection angle, and somehow this structural problem lead to inflammation after sexual activity and ejaculation. I am not completely sure of the nature of my Peyronie's yet, but the symptoms are obvious. Anyway, I started standing and stretching my penis under and behind. It looks ridiculous, but somehow it works, standing in the shower grab your penis and pull it under your ass and straight behind you. Do not stretch the penis, stretch the ligaments. You will be able to feel a stretching above your penis and in the lower abdomen. This differs from the above "under the leg" stretch in that you are literally pulling your penis straight backwards and under your butt while leaning forward. I wouldn't be too engorged while doing this, but I am able to.

I also sometimes do something while erect. While erect I push down on my penis from the very base, as not to bend the penis itself. I essentially try to lower my erection angle. After a few light pushes and some time my deformity starts to go away until it's no longer noticeable. Again, why, I do not know.

I do not think the "fowfer" or the erect bending is really needed but I would recommend the fowfer just to see if it helps your deformity.
Or, just forego all of that and do my first method, the main and only method I really do now.

Be very careful, it's very easy to tear something, I myself have heard a snap before (some 4 years ago), and another member has reported the same thing. I am sure you can injure your penis and case Peyronie's by over stretching the penis. Another member just reported new dents from stretching. I am proposing you stretch your connective tissue, which I would call the susensory ligament and the triangular ligament which connect to buck's fascia or some other fascia. I don't know the mechanism, I just know that it works.

Again, this is all based on personal trial and error and it has been miraculous for me personally, all of us are different so please be careful if you try the above. Do it at your own risk.

-V

[UrsusMinor]

Michaelb--could you share exactly what your doctor recommended?

BTW, Neo is our pioneer on this topic...

Thanks to him, a while back I Googled "fowfer." (Doing so will take you some strange places indeed.) One version of the fowfer is to lay on your side with knees bent, as if you were sitting in a chair and someone tipped you over. Part your thighs and push all your junk between them. Close your thighs. Then begin to straighten your legs. This will pull on all your junk at once, but won't especially stretch the penis in particular.

Beneficial? Who knows? Gentle stretching (note emphasis) ala what Neo advises, strikes me as a good idea. Vigorous stretching strikes me as a bad idea.

[Douglas Hall]

V,

Thanks for the reply. I am trying to visualize this.

"Reach being on leg and grab your penis and pull it down and behind that corresponding leg."

What do you mean exactly by the reach being on leg?

[NeoV]

Douglas, forgive my typo! I meant one leg. not "on" leg.

Sit at the edge of a chair with your legs spreed slightly apart. Your penis should be hanging off the edge. Now reach your right hand around the outer side of your leg and under it, and grab the glans from under your leg. From this position you can stretch the penis down quite easily, and even down and slightly behind your right leg. The same can be done on the left side with your left hand.

As Ursus says, gentle! I use almost no force in doing this. Ursus did you try the fowfer lying down? and what was the result in your flaccid deformity?

-V

[UrsusMinor]

NeoV, yeah, I've tried the prone fowfer a few times. It's really The Nutcracker Suite: It mashes all your junk at once. It's also a very strong pull when you begin to straighten your legs, so I take it very easy. The pull is felt 90% in the ligaments above the genitals.

I'm not sure yet what I think of it yet. But I've also been doing some of the easy stretching you recommend. And VED. And ALC and Ubiquinol and Pentox and low-dose Cialis. And although I'm getting erections, and even encouraging them, I'm not doing anything with them.

Something has begun helping my flaccid hang, that's for sure. For a while there the standard position of my penis was pulled up tight and hard, almost pointing straight forward. And that's really, really not normal for me. I was more of a "shower" than a "grower;" my penis was pretty long when flaccid, and a lot of people assumed I was bigger erect than I really was. And when I got Peyronies, it all retreated.

So I'm pleased with my overall results, though I still have pain. And I think, but can't prove, that the stretching is is helping--if nothing else by reminding Mr Happy where he is supposed to go!  

[29mUK]

I also sometimes do something while erect. While erect I push down on my penis from the very base, as not to bend the penis itself. I essentially try to lower my erection angle.

Interesting that you suggest this - since the onset of Peyronies Disease, my main symptom is that of excruciating pain if I attempt to angle my erection away from the body (to have intercourse for example).

I am sure you can injure your penis and case Peyronie's by over stretching the penis. Another member just reported new dents from stretching.

I am confident that - whilst I found a small lump in my shaft several years prior - jelqing is the cause of my Peyronies Disease. How bitterly ironic that an exercise intended to increase size has ended up having the reverse effect! The moral of the story is, that I think you're absolutely right that stretching can cause Peyronies Disease.  

[Voltage]

Let me put it simple;

I got my peyronies, Ed and nerve damage from stretching. Don't do it.
Use a certified traction device at their prescribed regimen.  

[UrsusMinor]

Very interesting, Voltage. Are you claiming that you got the disease from only stretching gently?  

[Voltage]

I was definitely stretching vigorously. I tried the usual techniques the internet will teach you. Jelqs, rotational stretches. The bare bones. I never pulled to the point of ripping my dick apart, but apparently it was enough from two sessions. I was new to the scene and the proper safety methods were not addressed to me. (I had never even known peyronies until after I had it).

That being said, despite my failure to stretch gently. I have a life long consequence for going too far. Traction devices have a well thought out plan, plotted and charted to ensure your safety. Otherwise they'd face a surplus of law suits. Safe guard your dick from further injury and stay away from the stretching. That at least will always be my personal advice.

[LWillisjr]

Jelqing and some of the other 'techniques' on the internet....  call them what you want but I don't consider them stretching techniques. At least we do not consider them therapy for Peyronies Disease. And I here case after case of damage young men ha e caused themselves as a result.

Traction therapy is something we do recommend and applies careful gentle traction to help reverse the scarring of Peyronies.

[UrsusMinor]

Interesting that you suggest this - since the onset of Peyronies Disease, my main symptom is that of excruciating pain if I attempt to angle my erection away from the body (to have intercourse for example).

I guess everybody is different. My curve, which is pretty strong, is out toward glans. Any pressure out there (such as engaging in penetration) hurts.

But I can take the whole erection and point it up and down, hinging from the base, without any real discomfort. I can feel a stretch because I am pulling on the internal ligaments. But no pain.

On the other hand, sitting here flaccid typing, my penis hurts like hell on the left side of the plaque. The plaque is symmetrical. Why does the left side hurt? If I moved to Australia, would it hurt on the right side instead, because of the Coriolis Force? The whole damned thing is a mystery!

[UrsusMinor]

Safe guard your dick from further injury and stay away from the stretching. That at least will always be my personal advice.

Noted--but I also note that people have injured themselves by overpumping VEDs, and no one seems to be arguing that you should never use VEDs.

I think the key is careful and gentle.  

[NeoV]

I have completely stopped stretching the penis itself, and I've found that stretching from the foreskin gives me the most reduction in deformity. I don't know why, but again it feels like I'm stretching the connective tissue.

[james1947]

Yes Ursus.

Just aggressive stretching and/or aggressive VED usage may cause injury.
Careful stretching and careful VED will not.

James