Promising treatment

[MIKEHAWK]

Priapus Shot - YouTube

I tried this and my curved penis is almost straight!, I'm going for my second shot soon usually you only need one shot for penis enlargement... but i don't got erectile issues but a curved penis.

I really suggest those that have this to give it a try. I also changed my diet and I am now in training for the Triathlon, I am doing the whole raw foods thing.

Wish me luck, I'm now aiming to regain thickness as my penis is almost 100 percent straight but the curve cause a loss in thickness.

[MIKEHAWK]

Priapus Shot - YouTube

I tried this and my curved penis is almost straight!, I'm going for my second shot soon usually you only need one shot for penis enlargement... but i don't got erectile issues but a curved penis.

I really suggest those that have this to give it a try. I also changed my diet and I am now in training for the Triathlon, I am doing the whole raw foods thing.

Wish me luck, I'm now aiming to regain thickness as my penis is almost 100 percent straight but the curve cause a loss in thickness.

Also it's called PRP or platelet rich plasma technique but i heard Doctor Runels technique is better fit for dysfunction. So i went to try this instead.

[Knight]

Really? Sounds almost too good to be true!   Certainly going to do some research! Thanks for sharing!

[james1947]

MIKEHAWK

Can you give us some more information regarding your Peyronies?
Can you give us the link to Dr. Runels?
Some on the forum are under PRP treatment, but they results are far less impressive than yours.
We have a few topics regarding PRP on the forum

Welcome to the forum
James

[MIKEHAWK]

DrRunels - YouTube

His youtube channel.

Yes but a lot of people also have poor results due to the fact that their out of shape. Your penis is mostly blood vessels, and a lot of people are out of shape and probably don't respond well to treatment.

I got injured cause I didn't want to wear a cup during football. mutiple guys tackled me and I landed on someone's knee while another guy was on top of me. Most awful experience ever, worse then getting in kicked the testicles when you have your penis crushed between someones knee and your thigh.

scar tissue is on one side of my penis.

[rellisacct]

Mike,

With all due respect, I think that the headline is a little sensationalist. I have had multiple (5) PRP injections and have had moderate improvement. I am 31, in good shape, workout, play tennis twice a week, and eat right. Granted my scarring is all through my penis and not localized, but I think that this "cure" statement is a little over the top.

However, I do believe that everyone should give it a try if they have the financial resources. There is definitely some benefit to the injections.

[james1947]

I would just like to add that like everything with Peyronies, what works for some is not assurance that will work for others.
And yes, as rellisacct has stated:

I think that this "cure" statement is a little over the top

James

[MIKEHAWK]

mine was pretty localized but started to spread later on as i waited but it was still on one-side of my penis not both sides. I was just excited with the results. Also i would like to add it stopped the pain, i have had this injury for like 2 years now. Also my diet change is really drastic too. But i would also like to add I'm pretty young, in my early 20, at the age of 30+ i heard it's pretty natural to have some loss in penile size due to natural wear and tear. Which is usually associated to scar tissue and hardening of the blood vessels.

I'm just happy i stop re-injuring my penis during sex, i was actually terrified of sex because of the fear of rupture, but now I don't get random pains at the localized area.

Also have you tried Doctor Runels Patent technique though? or was it provided by a random urologist? because he has done plenty of clinical trials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet-rich_plasma

Also i would like to add the quality is different for different clinics. I'm not trying to say Doctor runel is the best, When it comes to results you have to go a clinic where the PRP Machine is a high quality product. Some machines don't fair that well, and studies have shown the results with different PRP machines that extract plasma. Although the studies are based on injuries and not peyronies disease, i am going to guess the concept will be similar.


Proponents of PRP therapy argue that negative clinical results are associated with poor quality PRP produced by inadequate single spin devices. The fact that most gathering devices capture a percentage of a given thrombocyte count is a bias, since there is significant inter-individual variability in the platelet concentration of human plasma. More is not necessarily better in this case.[4] The variability in platelet concentrating techniques may alter platelet degranulation characteristics that could affect clinical outcomes.[2]

Above article is from WIkipedia but I have seen this from a news article way back. I enjoy fallowing modern science, i am like a jock-nerd.

[james1947]

at the age of 30+ i heard it's pretty natural to have some loss in penile size due to natural wear and tear

Wrong. Personally my penis length and girth didn't changed from the age of 16 to the age of 62 when Peyronies started.

James

[MIKEHAWK]

at the age of 30+ i heard it's pretty natural to have some loss in penile size due to natural wear and tear

Wrong. Personally my penis length and girth didn't changed from the age of 16 to the age of 62 when Peyronies started.

James

you probably just didn't notice, there are so many reasons to penile loss not just wear and tear. Testosterone level decline is also one which is really common among men 30 and older which also decrease penile size. Most professional athletes quit sports at age of 30 with the exception of MMA fighters since with technique you can compensate over the lack of testosterone.

This also go hand in hand with hardening of the veins and arteries as it's harder to fight off fat, with lower testosterone. There are also plenty of other things such as becoming less efficient at producing Nitric oxide in our blood. Less efficient at producing Anti oxidant so that our tissue and cells will be breaking down a lot faster.

I have a lot of family members that are doctors. Men's sexual prime is generally right after puberty while woman's prime are at the age of 30. So there tend to be a lot of misconception that men's sexual prime is at the age of 30 too but we actually start to lose size at this age.

I'm not wrong, because if you realized that a lot of men with Peyronies take a supplement that's called AL CARNTININE which acts as an ANTI OXIDANT that stops oxidative affects.

Naturally your ability to produce ANTI oxidant starts to decline so wear and tear is really obvious starting at the age of 30 and older.

my older brother fallowed my fathers footsteps as a doctor and told me so. I'm the black sheep LOL.

Also the ability to to produce anti oxidants actually starts to decline after the early teenage years. Some individuals actually get wrinkles during their late teenage years, around the age of 17 to 19.


Pentox, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Cialis, L-Arginine, Ubiquinol & VED

also i notice your list of supplements that your currently taking. I recommend you replace L-Arginine with L-Citrulline, L-Arginine supplement is hard on the liver and is not recommended for the age of 60+, also it's shown to be ineffective since most of it is destroyed in your stomach. L-Citrulline is shown to be superior to L-Arginine and doesn't cause diarrhoea.

[james1947]

MIKEHAWK

I don't think I am an exception, but at the age of 66 I don't have any wrinkles. Maybe will come later
Regarding penis wear and tear, I had sex at least ones a day from young age, gone down to 3 to 4 times a week by the age of 62 when Peyronies started. Now ones or twice a week.
My penis was 7" (18 cm) when young, same at the age of 62 and a respectable girth. Lost 2&1/2" to Peyronies with no treatment during the first three years, got back 1/2" by my treatment, mainly by VED.
Peyronies started by an accident during sex.
My testosterone is much higher than regular for my age, still very strong sex drive.
Other blood checks like cholesterol and sugar are excellent, blood pressure 110/70 to 120/80, hearth bit 60 to 65.
I am not making any special diet, eating everything, drinking beer, 5'9" (180 cm) tall, 160 lbs. (73 Kg) weight, very little body fat.
What in your opinion I should do and to improve what?
By the way I have changed my treatment because of financial reasons (no insurance here where I am living now).
I will change in my profile.

James

[MattFoley]

If this process is essentially PRP, does this mean any PRP trained doctor can do this or is it a specialized technique that only certain doctors can do, i.e. Dr. Runels?

[George999]

I personally think this is really interesting and I really appreciate Mike sharing it.  BUT PLEASE Mike!  EDIT the title in the original post and TONE IT DOWN.  The title you chose makes you look like a scam artist.  "Promising treatment" is a much better description.  It is much better to undersell on this forum than to oversell.  People here are SO SO used to being oversold on treatments.  They soon end up at the point that they just want to vomit when they see a subject line like yours.  I am SURE that the treatment you are suggesting here is very effective, but a cure it is NOT.  At least not for most patients.  Perhaps for a few and we DO wish you luck with all our hearts, indeed we pray that you be completely restored to normal in every way.  But the sad fact is that just because one person encounters a cure, does not automatically mean that it is a UNIVERSAL cure which is something else altogether and something rarely encountered in medicine when it comes to these sorts of degenerative diseases.  BUT ... we are EXTREMELY glad for you and for your success with this procedure!

[Crooked_Stick]

I have the same question as Matt Foley....also if this procedure is viable why are urologists not offering it...from what I see it's a bunch of quack like longevity clinics doing it. I would be sceptical about one of those people putting a needle in my penis.

[MIKEHAWK]

If this process is essentially PRP, does this mean any PRP trained doctor can do this or is it a specialized technique that only certain doctors can do, i.e. Dr. Runels?

Anyone that have a high quality machine. Not just Dr.Runel, if I remember correctly there is a PRP assiocation that constantly improves that procedure. WARNING: it's advised that the person injecting it is a Urologist LOL

Since I don't want to travel to America any-more because it's expensive. I'm going to Asia to get it done, which allows me to get it done at 1/4 of the price.

I have friends in Asia that own a Western hospital, that have a hospital grade PRP machine that's used to speed up healing for injuries and surgery. Mostly done for burned victims or joint issues.

They recommended me to go with them this summer. I don't speak the Asian language but were just going to hang out in Asia for fun, and I'll use this opportunity to get a few shots in.

Basically 150$ USD a shot in Asia and it's like 1500$ a shot here... LOL

PRP Skin Regeneration Treatment 自體生長因子注射療程分享 - YouTube

also PRP has been popular in China for a long time, I'm going to probably get 12 shots in before i leave and come back after the long vacation.

The doctors at the western hosptials are from all around the world, Europeans, Canadians, Americans. Speak fluent english. I'm excited.

[MIKEHAWK]

Quote modified by moderator. Please read the forum rules!!!
to me, it's a cure as in restored proper function where as I can use it during sex without being scared. Of course once injured you can never go back to the same as before because the main scar tissue is still there unless someone used gene therapy which is still in testing stages and highly cancerous.

I went from a 8 inch penis as a kid to a 6.5 now I'm 7.5 so that's still pretty impressive change. Although the damage is obviously there. Alot of scar tissue is broken down, the excessive one anyway.

Urologist do provide this treatment but you want to make sure the machine is a good one.

[MIKEHAWK]

Again, Quote modified, please read the forum rules regarding quotes!!!
start slow, eat plenty of food that's high in Anti oxidants, foods that create nitrix oxide like Beets, also water melon, get a blender and even use the Rind of the water melon as it contains most of the L-Citrulline and drink it. Add Omega three Fatty acids into your diet as it's essential and should be part of your supplement profile as it lubricates your blood vessels effectively.

I'm trying the Raw foods diet too and it's great i suggest you give it a try. Raw foods diet are super high in anti oxidants.

[MIKEHAWK]

Quote modified by moderator. MIKEHAWK, continuing not to obey the forum rules will result in banning you from the forum!!!
Moderators have other things to do also, not just correcting your posts!!!
I don't think it's quack, It was done for tiger woods years back and people said it was placebo but now Kim Kardashian has used it for buffering out her wrinkles and it seems really applicable to me. Now Kim Kardashian is not a bad looking woman considering she's age 32! most woman her age won't even look like that specially after pregnancy, Beyonce look destroyed after she got pregnant. Both woman are of the same age.

wow i feel like a teenage girl talking about celebrities.
Even my female friends that got PRP done for wrinkles had a huge noticeable difference in their wrinkle lines.

[rellisacct]

Mike,

I'm not knocking what you're saying by any stretch of the imagination. Before injections, I couldn't even get an erection but now I can (albeit very weak). Additionally, I got my PRP injections performed by the lead researcher in penile tissue regeneration at Wake Forest University, so yes he was using the top of the line centrifuge. I have personallly seen my tissue regenerate from the point of there being huge indentions with hourglassing to looking somewhat straight and normal. I have been a proponent of people who have localized scarring to give it a try if they have the financial means to do it. This could very well lead to good recovery for those individuals. But a cure, this is not.

I am very interested in your Asian trip though. Please let us know how it goes and if you see some good results. I can't continue dropping $600 per individual shot when my penis has such a long ways to go.  

[MattFoley]

rellisacct, what was the cost of the whole procedure? I'm trying to find someone here in the SF Bay Area that does it.

[rellisacct]

Hey Matt,

Dr. Terlecki has been charging me $575 per injection and have received two injections each time I have gone, totalling $1,150. As we say down South, that ain't cheap. I feel that he is reluctant to give me more than 2 injections each time I go for some reason. I truly believe that with enough injections all throughout the penis, there could be some significant improvement, probably back to 75-80% of normal. But as I've said in previous posts, there is such a long ways to go and it could end up costing me well over $15,000 total. MIKEHAWK might be on the right track when he says that he is looking to Asia for further injections.

[MattFoley]

rellisacct, thanks for that info. This is a lot more affordable than the stem cell treatment but possibly not as effective. Nevertheless, it sounds hopeful.

[MIKEHAWK]

MIKEHAWK, it is really tiring to modify your posts. Please read the forum rules


O-Shot helps maturing women in the bedroom - YouTube

Works for women too, it was on the news.

[MIKEHAWK]

rellisacct, thanks for that info. This is a lot more affordable than the stem cell treatment but possibly not as effective. Nevertheless, it sounds hopeful.

I really suggest you try it and then report in telling us how it went.

[MIKEHAWK]

MIKEHAWK, it is really tiring to modify your posts. Please read the forum rules


O-Shot helps maturing women in the bedroom - YouTube

Works for women too, it was on the news.

I read the rules. i am confused on what i wrote that's against the rules?

[james1947]

MIKEHAWK

Forum Rules and Member Rights - ALL MUST READ AND FOLLOW - Peyronies Society Forums
Paragraph 7. Limited Use of the Quote Button
See also my addition in red to your posts. I think is very clear.
Maybe you read the rules, but don't understand them.

James

[Norm]

MH,
Let me try. First, putting the other peoples quotes in your posts takes up a lot of space, especially when you quote their entire post. You can reply by referring to them without showing their quote. That is why it is against forum rules. If you are doing it inadvertently, then my guess is that you are replying from the email notices that you have set up to receive. That does it every time. Stop doing it that way and go directly to the forum to post your reply. There, it won't quote unless you tell it to. Secondly, be very judicious about posting links. Every link requires that a moderator go look at it to make sure you are not sneaking in spam or getting off topic. I hope this helps
Norm
Ps- I really suspect you are replying from your email. Stop doing it that way and problem solved.  

[LWillisjr]

I agree with Norm. The issue can also be that you are hitting the 'Quote' button to a post instead of hitting 'Reply'. We try to keep threads on a particular topic so we know what you are replying to. If you hit the 'Quote' button, then edit the quote down to only what is relevant.

[MIKEHAWK]

Platelet-rich plasma: What's behind the hype?

According to Steven P. Arnoczky, DVM, "Unlike pharmaceuticals regulated by the United States Pharmacopeia, in which the precise contents, concentrations, and potency are clearly known, PRP preparations have no such guarantee."

Some variations in PRP products may result from differing methods of preparation, but even when specific protocols are used, the platelet concentration of the final PRP can vary greatly among techniques and even within a single technique. In addition, platelet concentrations can vary from day to day in PRP produced from a single individual, depending on factors such as diet, general health, medications (eg, coagulants), and exercise.

"The final platelet (growth factor) concentration will be dependent upon the amount of whole blood used, the platelet recovery efficacy, and the final volume of plasma in which the platelets are suspended," he explained.

[MattFoley]

Thanks, MIKEHAWK, that makes sense and may explain the difference between standard PRP and The Priapus Shot.

[MIKEHAWK]

Yes, Matt it said that it's diet and health dependent too. If you plan on doing this, better get in shape and eat plenty of Beef and steak before going .

[MIKEHAWK]

rellisacct, save your money and get it done in Asia like me. I don't even speak Chinese, i'd just get my friends to translate. I'm planning to get as many shots in as possible in this vacation, I mean the Plane ticket might be expensive, but I mean 5 treatments here is 5x1500$ for both sides of the penis...

in Asia i can get it around 100$ to 150$ per treatment, it also makes no sense that it's 1500$ per treatment as your using your own blood and barely using their materials at all.

Centrifuge For Prp, Centrifuge For Prp Products, Centrifuge For Prp Suppliers and Manufacturers at Alibaba.com

I mean the machines itself isn't too expensive, your basically just paying the Urologist to do this. If only I studied Urology, I would Just buy one and inject myself weekly.

[MIKEHAWK]

Medical Breakthrough in Penis Enlargement Getting Results at Dallas Clinic -- DALLAS, June 13, 2013 /PRNewswire/ --

A Dallas Anti-Aging Clinic is Entirely Too Proud of Its "Breakthrough" Penis Enlargement Shot

More news articles about this.

[Forester]

MIKEHAWK if you can please let us know where exactly in Asia where we can get these PRP shots for $150 per shot and if the providers speak English or French (or any other western language).  You did mention that you were planning to attend a "western hospital" in Asia where the providers can speak in many western languages.  Also is the type of PRP shot that they do Asia different than the "Priapus Shot" that Dr. Runels does?  

Furthermore what was your overall impression of Dr. Runels if I may ask.  Did he screen you for endocrine related problems that he thinks may be connected to sexual dysfunction? Did he seem knowledgeable with regards to peyronies disease? What were his bedside manners like and was he rushed? (If you are willing to answer this question it might be more appropriate to start a new thread in the "Urologists and other Doctors" forum but I figured I would ask you here)

[MattFoley]

Forget the Urologist. If I could figure out how to use the machine properly, I would draw out my own blood, spin it, and re-inject it myself.

[MIKEHAWK]

Mattfoley, i don't think i got the guts, since my penis is important to me.

[MIKEHAWK]

Forester, I'm not familiar with Asia but my friends are. I got it done by a clinic that does P-Shot, it's the same Patent as doctor Runels but not the same Practitioner. I'm not familiar with America either, me and my friend were just travelling and goofing around for fun, and thought we got nothing to lose since were just injecting blood plasma into our penis.

I'm not good with directions or remembering faces or names but I'm a fellow Canadian.  

[MIKEHAWK]

Dr. Ko PRP : Platelet Rich Plasma Treatment Information - Toronto

Forester if your interested in PRP then your in luck, Dr.Ko is suppose to be the Pioneer of PRP treatments.

You can probably call him up asking if this exist in Canada or where you can find it in Asia.

He works in Both Asia and Canada.

I can not give out the name of the Hospital that my friend owns.  

[MattFoley]

MIKEHAWK, since you're open to alternative chemical treatment techniques, have you looked into injecting PEG MGF, IGF-1, TB4, and Erythropoietin? If you look into what these do, i.e. Angiogenesis, Endothelial (blood vessels) cell differentiation, etc. you'll see why there's a strong possibility they may have a positive impact on Peyronie's.

I was planning to test these chemicals directly on my penis after I have had a chance to completely study them. I have used those peptides, etc. on my body as a whole with no complications and some benefit.

Thoughts?

[stopthismadness]

Not to go off on another tangent, but since you mentioned angiogenesis Matt, here is a very recent small abstract (have to pay for full text) I've found mentioning angiogenesis and apoptosis mechanism on fibrosis. seems like a relatively new study, I would say it's worth taking a look if you're seriously willing going to go on that experimental route.

Apoptosis and angiogenesis: an evolving mechanism fo... [FASEB J. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

[MattFoley]

Thanks for the link. I think we may be on the right track with this.

[MIKEHAWK]

stopthismadness, do you mean the creation of blood vessel actually causes the death of scar tissue? that's really interesting, I didn't come across this research before, thanks for sharing.

Mattfoley, I wouldn't try anything that my friends haven't done before.  I'm too scared I might mess up and lose my penis.

If you have success with this treatment, you should get a research team together and make it accessible for people like me

[stopthismadness]

Angiogenesis is the formation of blood vessels from existing blood vessels. "This review considers the emerging evidence that angiogenesis or vascular regression contributes to fibrosis" ; reading that in the abstract doesn't sound like a positive to angiogenesis to me, but I haven't bought the full text, and I don't plan on it. If someone does, do tell what it says, it does seem interesting. On the other hand "Vasculogenesis" is the formation of completely new blood vessels where there are none;I have no idea how that occurs, and MIKEHAWK, I  never said the creation of new blood vessels would cause the death of scar tissue.

Anyways, I'm curious about this PRP.  I'm looking forward to see others come forward with any positive results.  

[MIKEHAWK]

stopthismadness, I'm just not too familiar with the scientific terms ,and i know Apoptosis is the program of Cell death just got confused for a moment. Was just asking if that was what you meant.

Why not give it a try? a lot of people have gotten great results with it, usually an 1 inch increase in size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vascular_endothelial_growth_factor

Vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) is a signal protein produced by cells that stimulates vasculogenesis and angiogenesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platelet-rich_plasma

Components[edit]

The efficacy of certain growth factors in healing various injuries and the concentrations of these growth factors found within PRP are the theoretical basis for the use of PRP in tissue repair.[1] The platelets collected in PRP are activated by the addition of thrombin and calcium chloride, which induces the release of these factors from alpha granules. The growth factors and other cytokines present in PRP include:[1][2]
platelet-derived growth factor
transforming growth factor beta
fibroblast growth factor
insulin-like growth factor 1
insulin-like growth factor 2
vascular endothelial growth factor
epidermal growth factor
Interleukin 8
keratinocyte growth factor
connective tissue growth factor

PRP stimulates both vasculogenesis and angiogenesis. So It seems to be just what your looking for.

[stopthismadness]

I'm on the fence about it, I'd honestly like to see more evidence of improvements emerge before I do anything concerning anymore needles and trauma to my member.  My issue isn't in size, it's in this scar tissue and plaque that prevents expansion, trapping of blood, and my full erectile capability. If it can get rid of or help ameliorate that tissue permanently, then I'll seriously consider it.  Also, it's a really expensive investment and I don't have that kind of money at my disposal right now, not to be mention I'd be especially let down if it didn't work and I took the loss. If PRP does really stimulate vasculogenesis this goes back to what you were asking me previously: Does the scar tissue go away with increased vascularization? Scar tissue with more blood supply, will it change? Can it hold and trap that new blood flow? Lots of questions. Maybe the tissue will remodel over time with an adequate blood supply and increased oxygenation to the damaged parts, that is in theory why we try to increase the blood flow to the scar tissue and plaque with all of these methods concerning VED, pills, and supplements. I'd like to hear more from others that get this done and who are continuing it. It does sound like something if it truly does work.

[MattFoley]

MIKEHAWK:

I'm just insane enough to experiment on my penis. I know what PEG MGF, IGF-1, & TB4 can do. I've injected them into my muscles for growth spurts. TB4 can heal damaged cells. I've used that as well.

Erythropoietin "has a range of actions including vasoconstriction-dependent hypertension, stimulating angiogenesis, and inducing proliferation of smooth muscle fibers."

I will likely begin treating myself within the next couple of months. If I have success with it, you can imagine how very rich I'm going to be. If it fails, I'm seriously screwed.  

[MIKEHAWK]

Matt where did you find Thymosin beta-4? also this sounds like gene therapy to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymosin_beta-4

It has been studied in a number of clinical trials.[5]
The thymosin beta-4 peptide, if used after a heart attack, might reactivate cardiac progenitor cells to repair damaged heart tissue.[6][7]



TB-4 has been found naturally in human`` blood platelets,`` white blood cells, the thymus gland and the spleen. Because of its naturally high concentration in the human body and its ubiquitous distribution, it's believed to play an important role in cell survival, as well as in the repair and regeneration of damaged tissue.

https://theconversation.com/cronulla-sharks-and-thymosin-beta-4-is-it-doping-12694

I looked it up and all i can find is stuff for horses and dogs   where`s the ones for humans lol i enjoy lifting weights too and have a back injury.

AHAHAHAHA oh! it is used for horses, so it's just not fda approved.  

[MattFoley]

MIKEHAWK:

PM me.

[MIKEHAWK]

i just noticed bigger size and firmer straighter penis. only done it once looking for more.

[MattFoley]

That's great. What else can we ask for? Straighter and firmer is all I want. Have those results been retained or has it gone backwards?