Anti Oxidants - General

[ak123]

Hello everybody,

This new meds claimed to be as follows:

Vitaslim HEALTH is the most effective Omega – 3 product
• 300 times more powerful than Vitamins A and E
• 48 times more powerful than fish oil
• 34 times more powerful than coenzyme Q 10

Do you think it's true or just advertisements?

Another question: A urologist once told me that anti-oxidants will not be effective in the stable phase. It's only effective during the active phase to help the body to recover to the original state but in the stable phase the body considers this state as the final one. How correct or accurate is that?

[james1947]

My concern is the source of the Vitaslim HEALTH supported by local doctors only.
I was expecting from an excellent product manufacturer to add some known and internationally recognised test lab to prove his statements regarding the  Vitaslim HEALTH composition.

• 300 times more powerful than Vitamins A and E
• 48 times more powerful than fish oil
• 34 times more powerful than coenzyme Q 10

James

[George999]

Krill Oil has been around for ages.  It is an excellent source of Omega 3s, but beware of hype promoting specific brands.  A number of brands use Neptune krill oil.  The only difference is potential additives or additional processing.  Shop around.  - George

[ak123]

Hi James. Yes, totally agree with you. I know that you are working on the protocol of VED + Pentox + L-Arginine + Acetyl L-Carnitine from few months. Did you get any improvement so far?

[james1947]

ak123

The gains are 1/2" in length (from 2&1/2" lost), some girth improvement and most important for me better erections.
Not too much improvement as for now, but in my opinion the main reason is that I have not done nothing in the first three years with this disease.
Also I added components to my treatment in a very slow pace because of allergic reaction concerns, for example Acetyl L-Carnitine just one month ago and increased Pentox to 3*400mg daily just two days ago.

James

[ak123]

ak123

The gains are 1/2" in length (from 2&1/2" lost), some girth improvement and most important for me better erections.
Not too much improvement as for now, but in my opinion the main reason is that I have not done nothing in the first three years with this disease.
Also I added components to my treatment in a very slow pace because of allergic reaction concerns, for example Acetyl L-Carnitine just one month ago and increased Pentox to 3*400mg daily just two days ago.

James

OK, thanks for your information James. No doubt that starting treatment during the active phase is much more better but I don't feel regret coz I did my best at this time by going to many Urologists. Unfortunately all what they did is to prescribe Vit E + wait and see!

[ak123]

Hello,

A urologist once told me that all anti oxidants taken during the stable phase (i.e. after 6-12 months of the disease begin) will not be effective. He added that in order of these supplements to be effective it must be during the active phase when the body tries to recover to the original state, afterwards the body considers this deformed state as the normal state.

Is this true? Did anyone get improvement by oral treatment during the stable phase?  

[Hawk]

I have never heard that opinion before but I find it very interesting and to at least have some sound logic behind it.  

[ak123]

I have never heard that opinion before but I find it very interesting and to at least have some sound logic behind it.

But hope it's not true.  

[james1947]

I can witness from my own experience that Oral Treatment, Pentox and Supplements helping also during stable phase.
The improvements are slow, maybe even very slow, but have improvements.
Progression and improvement of my Peyronies. - Peyronies Society Forums

James

[Hawk]

We know pentox can help during the stable phase so that still leaves the answer about anti-oxidants in question.  Even if they do not, I would take they to just guard against an new flare-up of another active phase.

Maybe George will have some input here or a link to some clinical data.

[George999]

I am not sure it really matters.  If you have had Peyronie's and are now in the "stable phase" (whatever they mean by that), you are vulnerable to reinjury and ending up back in the "acute phase" AGAIN.  Certainly antioxidants can help prevent that from happening.  Why take chances?  The medical profession tends to look at medicine so analytically that they lose track of common sense.  - George

[ashtown]

I've recently started taking astaxanthin, which is supposed to be a strong antioxidant and I gather it is a major component of krill oil. Taken together with turmeric I'm hoping this will make a difference.  

[goodluck]

In my experience the tumeric did help with pain when I was in the acute stage.

I don't know of any studies that say anti-oxidants will improve peyronies but they will certainly help your overall well being.

Astaxathin is well know to help with vission and prevent age related issues.  Eat plenty of veggies that are red, yellow, and orange too.

[ashtown]

I only started on the turmeric a few days ago and strangely enough I've had more pain than usual during this period, which is perplexing. It seems like just the gentlest prod of the scar for a couple of seconds now will provoke a painful ache that lasts a couple of hours or more. I'm certainly not pain free at the moment despite everything I'm trying.

The reason I tried astaxanthin was that I read of two guys on this forum who had basically declared themselves Peyronies free and noticed they had both used astaxanthin, so I figured it might be a missing part of the puzzle. Again I've only been on this for a short period.

One curious thing about the astaxanthin is that it seems to have cleared up a coating on my tongue that has been stubbornly persistent for more years than I care to remember, despite trying all sorts of medicines and I was intrigued by this so I did some digging and managed to find a vague references inside a Google cache for a deleted webpage stating that heavy toxic metals entering the body through the atmosphere could cause this tongue coating and astaxanthin would fix it. The bit that got my interest though was when it mentioned fibromyalgia as a possible illness linked to these toxins and that struck me as being similar to Peyronies.

[pizzaman]

I started taking 8mg of astaxanthin per day after reading about the positive reports here too. Even if it doesn't help with the Peyronies, it's good for overall health. I've only been taking it for a couple weeks, and I read that it takes at least a solid month to really make a difference because it needs time to get into your cells.

[ashtown]

I've also heard astaxanthin has a cumulative affect and that ideal dosages are around 8-12mg per day, though with Peyronies perhaps we could go a little higher. I saw a video on YouTube with a doctor who mentioned people taking 40mg per day with no real benefits, however they do turn bright pink after a while... Like you pizzaman I've only been on this for a couple of weeks and take 3x3mg per day, so I look forward to any real breakthrough.

At the moment I'm feeling a bit frustrated because I've been attacking this on several levels and not really seeing any progress at all. The plaque may be a little softer perhaps but it's also considerably bigger than a couple months ago, so it's hard to imagine it shrinking and disappearing at the moment. The degree of curvature doesn't seem to be improving either.

[ashtown]

I've just been reading that astaxanthin boosts collagen. Does that mean it's a bad idea with Peyronies?  

[MattFoley]

ashtown, if we assume that Peyronie's is a result of a failure of the auto-immune response system, then we might assume that more collagen may result in further problems. If you are still experiencing further degradation of your situation, then it might be a mistake to add a supplement that may encourage further collagen build-up in your penis.

I would think that a solution has to be found in order to stop the auto-immune failure. Is Vitamin D3 a possible solution for that? It might be worth looking at. My main focus is the Pentox, Citrulline, and Cialis cocktail that I mentioned (2,400 mg/day Pentox, 2,000-6,000 mg/day Citrulline, 5 mg/day Cialis). That's aside from the other supplements in my list.

If you're unsure of a supplement, please consider leaving it out of your protocol.

[james1947]

Matt

You have some medical supervision when on 2,400mg daily Pentox?
My doctor told me that one of the side effects of Pentox can be internal bleeding.

James

[MattFoley]

James,

My doctor prescribed it that way based on the Dr. Lue study. You were the one that gave me that info, remember? I thanked you for it.

[james1947]

Matt

I know I have given to you the link, I was just worry you have increased the dosage without consulting a doctor.
Sorry if I sound like a mother, sometimes is happening to me.

James

[MattFoley]

James, thank you. I appreciate your thoughts and concern. This is what it's all about, watching out for each other.

[ak123]

I'm currently on COQ10 & Omega 3 as anti-oxidant + 3x400 mg Trental/Pentox + L-Arginine & L-Citrulline + Acetyl L-Carnitine. Do you think I should substitute COQ10 with Astaxanthin? And Omega 3 with Real Krill?  

[George999]

Krill oil IS Omega 3 and one could even argue that it is a better form of it than fish oil, however fish oil does have some advantages.  But they are essentially equivilant in function.

Astaxanthin is NOT an equivilant of CoQ10 and would NOT provide the same benefits.  CoQ10 is a proven treatment for Peyronie's and Astaxanthin is not.

- George