VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Rico]

N9I,

It is not sex, you don't want a erection, this is molding the tissue....it doesn't suppose to feel like a erection...you are conditioning the tissue, remolding it....I wouldn't even pump it if I was thinking of sex....do it and watch the news, that will depress you and you won't get hard:)...serious though it isn't sex, it is a exercise...

Rico

[ComeBacKid]

That weird feeling is normal, think about it, your doing something your not used to.  Give it two weeks and it will feel normal. In the beginning it felt weird for me as well, I remember the first time I tried out the soma, it was strange I put it away for a few weeks.  Just keep doing it, this could take more than 26 weeks, possibly a year.  In the beginning it will tight and not normal, this is ok, just take it easy and get used to it.  Stick to 10 cycles per day in the beginning.   Later as you get more comfortable you can up the cycles and time you hold your erections for.  If you have any questions feel free to PM me.  Trust me man you won't make this worse if you don't overpump.

[hopeful]

[Hey Rico.. I just bought a $30 pump- just to explore before making the move for a SOmma-2" diamater by 6 1/2 "- w/release valve- I suffer frm ED- and have heart arrythmia problem- and have not taken any Viagra, Cialis, etc- I have used it 4 times so far- and i am noticing an increase in girth after each use.. as for length.. my oenis head is stil curved- I do not pump it all the way...

What can you reccomend for ED.. that is natural- I am checking into NO, etc- Horny Goat Weed, ..

HOPEFUL  

[hopeful]

What type of unit are you talking about??

Hopeful

Dear forum members and guest:

I'm putting this under here but it could go under a couple of other threads...

I posted before that Dr. Ho massage was always of interest to me, I own one, when I first got my peyronies this is the first thing I thought of....I had much luck with it in fixing other injuries in my body....you can't buy one now, I don't know if the FDA or someone banded it or what, but they can't sell them in the USA....

[Rico]

VED veterans....Old Man, Angus and others with experience and knowledge of the VED use with blood thinners....can you please give some of us newbies some insight to the use of a VED with blood thinners....I know there is lots of interest in VED exercise and now the pentox/arginine/viagra program... We know DannyOcean doctor is against the VED and there are articles on not to use VED with blood thinners, is this with the restrictson ring only or does this apply to exercising with the VED also....do we have any experience in this area....Calling all Angles...

Rico

[Steve]

Rico,

If I'm not mistaken, Aspirin and Vit E (and maybe fish oil too) are blood thinners.  I've been using all three since well before I got Peyronies Disease, and I've had no problems associated with them and my VED (Soma).  I've heard/read that the use of thinners can cause blood to 'leak' through the skin under high vacuums, but this is something that I personally have never seen.

Steve

[Kimo]

Steve,,,i was on Vita E for the past 6 yrs, 400 to 800 iu a day, and was experiencing a lot of dizzy spells and couldn't figure out why until i read a post by ComeBackid that it was a blood thinner so i stopped using it and my dizzy spells went down , i still have them but not as bad....I stopped taking E about 4 months ago,,i had been taking it for my peyronies since the year 2000, i think maybe i took it too long, this is just my thoughts, can't prove it-but........kimo

[not9inches]

I have to say that this situation is most distressing and has consumed me. Im a 52 yr old healthy male, no injuries to my penis ever, no violent sex acts to cause this. I am going to apologize in advance for my posting, but then again...im not . Afterall, were here to help each other...the medical commuinity sure aint doing Sh#$@T. I am so hoping that posting my particular situation and pics, that somebody on this board will say...hey...thats exactly how i was. And can relate their experience. Again, what is so frustration to me is that I have no hardness that i can feel while flaccid or erect...no pain whatsoever. Hard or soft.  I am able to achieve an erection on my own, but am taking viagra as prescribed as well. And whats more...the two Urlogigist i went to both said to wait n see. I sure as hell would have liked to gotten a sonogram or x-ray....at least Id know whether or not im dealing with scar tissue or plaque.  Again, these pics i have posted are the very same ones i sent to my Urologist ( who asked me to send them)  They do show my erection from almost 2 yrs ago..and as recently as this month.  YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
http://www.geocities.com/peyroniehell/

I have been trying to get used to that pump (VED) because i feel like stretching the area where it is kinked will help eventaully...maybe 6 mos...a year down the road. I just am having trouble getting the nerve to pump it up harder than i can achive on my own. It feels ssoooooo damn strange.

I am also rubbing  on my penis Aloe vera lotion and 99.00 % aloe right out of the bottle , vitamin E and Crisco Extra Virgin Olive oil ( which says by the way....ideal for dressing and marinating)  I alternate these items every other day.  Im also taking Vitamin B complex, Vitamin C, Fish oil pills and some voodoo medicine I bought at GNC called Staminol. This all seems like so much wishful thinking...but when you are desperately try to preserve what you have, you try anything.  

[Tim468]

"I just am having trouble getting the nerve to pump it up harder than i can achive on my own."

A brief note before I get to work here.

We may pump to a degree of hardness that is harder than we can get on our own - if we have problems getting hard. But the purpose of the VED is NOT to get harder than we can "get on our own".

Rather, it is to apply a straightening force to the penis by "erecting" it within the confines of a straight tube. The idea - whether or not we are confined within a smaller or larger diameter tube, is to apply a force that goes longitudinally (down the length of the penis), instead of simply filling out to the natural limits of the tunica albuginea (TA). Since the TA will limit the degree to which you can fill out (think of a piece of tape on a balloon), the VED allows you to stretch THAT part of your TA specifically, whereas a "natural erection" does not do that.

I would add two caveats. First, a natural erection DOES help Peyronies Disease in my very strong and not-so-humble opinion. But a VED may help stretch out a constracting placque more than a natural erection.

Secondly, a very strongly worded warning. Although some argue that a gauge is not needed, most pumps that come with a gauge also come with a release valve. A release valve is vital to being able to go up and down easily on the application of a vacuum. I read again today the case report of a guy who damaged his penis using a cheap pump, with constrictor bands applied (but without little tassles that allow you to grab them to take them OFF!!!), and for good peasure he used is after first getting a natural erection!

So, he applied enough force to damage his penis in midshaft, and to tear the root of the crura that helps hold it straight up. He thus developed a Peyronies disease placque (having started out using his cheap device to aid a natural erection) and for good measure, he is now impotent since he developed a "vascular leak".

So, be careful to stick to the protocol, and to not apply too great of forces, and to not be IMPATIENT to get results.

Here is the abstract (I have added bold for emphasis):

Vacuum erection associated impotence and Peyronie's disease.

Hakim LS, Munarriz RM, Kulaksizoglu H, Nehra A, Udelson D, Goldstein I.

Department of Urology, Boston University School of Medicine, Massachusetts, USA.

PURPOSE: Use of a nonmedical, catalogue type vacuum erection device resulted in a case of vacuum induced vasculogenic impotence and Peyronie's disease. MATERIALS AND METHODS: A 66-year-old potent man used a nonmedical vacuum erection device (cylinder plus a hand pump without a pressure-release valve and a doughnut-shaped ring at the base without tension bands) after having achieved a spontaneous rigid erection. The resultant excessive overinflation of the penis was followed by dorsal curvature, diminished rigidity and decreased erectile maintenance. RESULTS: Physical examination revealed a dorsal mid shaft Peyronie's plaque. Nocturnal penile tumescence testing and office injection testing were abnormal and demonstrated partial, short-lived, dorsally curved erections. Dynamic pharmaco-cavernosometry and pharmaco-cavernosography established vasculogenic impotence with site-specific crural (unrelated to the Peyronie's plaque) veno-occlusive dysfunction and dorsal penile curvature. CONCLUSIONS: Vacuum erection devices create pulling forces on the penis. We estimate that the pulling forces in this case were prohibitively high (approximately 29 pounds) [Note - this equals approximately 1,500 mm Hg or "torr]due to absence of a pressure-release valve and to the preexistent erection at vacuum application. These intense pulling forces are hypothesized to have damaged the tunica in the mid shaft (Peyronie's disease) and the crus (veno-occlusive dysfunction), the latter being the site of attachment of the corpora to the ischiopubic ramus and a most likely location for high magnitude pulling forces to exert an abnormal injury effect. The patient underwent a Nesbit plication procedure and presently performs self-injection for satisfactory sexual activity.

Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware

[not9inches]

Tim468

You wrote:
Rather, it is to apply a straightening force to the penis by "erecting" it within the confines of a straight tube. The idea - whether or not we are confined within a smaller or larger diameter tube, is to apply a force that goes longitudinally (down the length of the penis), instead of simply filling out to the natural limits of the tunica

If this is the case, can't you just simply stretch your flaccid unit by hand on a daily basis as a therapy? I do follow you on the concept with the smaller tube. But if your only attempting to stretch longitudinally...whats the difference between doing it by hand or the VED?  Will the VED stretch it longer/further?

[Old Man]

not9inches:

Just to add my 2 cents to Dr. Tim's comments about the VED. You asked if jelqing would give the same results as stretching one's penis in a cylinder would not be the same. IMHO, jelqing has its place if done with extreme care and on a mild scale. If done with too much pressure and with added force to cause the head portion to be overfilled with blood, it can and will cause one further damage. There are several guys on the old BTC forum who did over pressurize their penis and caused further damage.

The main objective of using the smaller sized cylinder in VED exercises is to hold the penis is a very confined straight condition and over a period of time, cause the penis to adjust to the added pressure and re-mold itself, etc. If one has hourglass areas, they will be caused to have a greater pressure in the smaller cylinder than if one uses the jelqing exercises which of course has no confined cylinder area.

Note to all:

Again, I must re-iterate that extreme caution must be observed in using any and all VED exercises for Peyronies Disease therapy. It is not necessary to have a pressure gage on any VED device, but ANY VED pump being used, MUST HAVE A QUICK RELEASE VALVE SO THAT THE PRESSURE CAN BE RELEASED INSTANTLY IN THE EVENT OF BEING OVERZEALOUS IN PUMPING.

If one feels more comfortable with having a pressure gage, by all means use one. However, the fact that that the gage is installed on the VED does mean that one cannot overpump. So, bottom line, use your best common sense when usng any and all VEDs for Peyronies Disease therapy. The best rule of thumb is, if it hurts don't do it!

Lastly, if one is totally impotent, ED drugs don't work and you must use the VED for erections, caution again must be exercised not to overpump because when applying the retainers to hold up the erection pressure usually increases at the point of sliding the retainer(s) off the cylinder onto the penis. Any retainer(s) being used must also have "ears" or "tabs" that allow the retainer to be removed at the proper time. Retainer(s) must never be left on longer than 30 minutes at a time. In addition, you must keep the penis lubed well while sliding the retainer(s) off the shaft to prevent pain or damage to the shaft, etc.

Regards to everyone. Old Man

[Hawk]

If I am not mistaken, not9 was not referring to jelqing but plain longitudinal stretching not unlike the traction devices.  I think he asks an interesting question, "if longitudinal stretching is the goal, why not use traction devices that stretch exclusively in that direction or even manually stretch for the same period and frequency that you would with a VED?

[Rico]

Hawk,

I never felt that the traction or manual was as good as VED....the reason being is that the VED has the use of warm blood also, you have a light touch on the pump to warm up with, plus the st recthing is done in a symmetrical way with the tube, this is a huge difference, you could end up molding your unit by hand into all kinds of shape.....from the very beginning the VED seem so much superior than traction, I wouldn't do traction myself, gravity with no way of shaping, just pulling down...

I put a long post on here about this a little while ago, I don't know what happen to it, cyber space somewhere:).... but I sum up my post as the three cylinder in my opinion for shaping and holding your unit in a symmetrical straight jacket to mold it in conjunction of warm blood and the ease of use with a manual pump....well(now you have to imagine hoisting beers in the air)....BRILLANT!!!!!!!!!  

Rico

[Old Man]

Hawk:

Traction devices and manual stretching in any shape, form or fashion will not bring as much blood flow into the erectile chambers as the VED. The vacuum pressure exerted and being held for short periods of time allows at least some oxygen to be dissipated in the erectile tissue.

Manual stretching will do the same, but the extra pressure of the hand around the shaft or head portion of the penis will exert additional stress on that tissue which would not be good. The mild pressures exerted by the VED under controlled conditions has a better cause and effect IMHO.

Anyway, enough on this subject from me.

Old Man

[ComeBacKid]

For anyone who is even considering jelqing I'm just going to echo Old Man's comments in that the VED is much more effective and safe than jelqing.  I've tried jelqing about 4 years ago for 3 months in a desperate attempt to correct my peyronies at that time. It did virtually nothing and I did end up injuring myself from jelqing to hard, nonetheless I recovered without any permanent damage. I've now been using the VED for over 3 months and have not injured myself once, its been very safe when used with safe and effective pumping pressure.  The VED also gives a much better stretch and filling of the chambers of the penis than jelqing ever gave me.  For anyone even considering jelqing I would recommend against it, it doesn't give a consistent and equal filling of the penile chambers like a VED does.  If one tries the VED they will quickly see it will leave your penis "pumped," even after your done and will give you quality bloodflow.  If one googles jelqing and damage they can find many horror stories, and don't kid yourself if you overpump your penis using a VED you can do serious damage, however safe effective pressure will not do any damage.  Here is a wikipedia link on penis enlargment as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_enlargement

If anyone needs any help or is looking into the VED feel free to contact me for support via PM.

ComeBackid

[DannyOcean]

This is interesting because just last night I was contemplating the connection between the VED and some of the various penile enlargement exercises out there like jelqing.  I wake up today and hit the forums and here you guys are talking about it.

I can understanding the reasons for not jelqing or stretching but there is one thing I do want to ask about.  When I was younger (25 or so, I'm 30 now) I did some of the enlargement exercises.  One I remember was the "uli" where you achieve a semi-hard erection and then squeeze your PC muscle which forces more blood into the head of the penis.  Then with one of your hands you grasp the base of the penis, trapping the blood in the penis (in essence you're making a manual cock ring of sorts...).  Anyway, it seems like an effective way of engorging the penis with blood.  I'm just throwing it out there because I'd be curious to see what people thought of whether this was a good thing or not.  

I'm such an over-achiever and the fact that the doc said "no VED" is killing me.  I want to be doing more about this but except for meds, exercise and sleep there isn't much...bummer...

[ComeBacKid]

DannyOcean,

That technique is basically like jelqing, when you jelq you make the ring and you move your hand up your shaft forcing blood into the head, I've seen no scientific studies on these manual penis enlargement excercises, if you go to the sites especially www.penilefitness.com you can tell just from the testimonials that these people aren't real, you can do serious damage to your penis by doing these methods, I would avoid them period.  When I first started out penilefitness was just in english, now years later they have expanded to include spanish, italian, german, japanese, chinese, russian, and french langauges, it appears they have taken their lies international.  I will say I know for a fact that this site in particular had a message board where you could talk to others, and in fact the owner or owners would go on different screenames and act like they were real people who had done these excercises and made their penises bigger, the whole thing was a scam and still is today.  In fact some of the same owners have different penile enhancement sites claiming to be different companies.  There are some people who believe jelqing actually works however I would never try it again, the bottom line is the information these online sites will SELL you is already available online for free, so theres no need to pay.  Remember if you fall in the 5-7 inch range your in the average category and this should quite easily satisfy your mate if you know what yoru doing  

[Rico]

I started my fifth week with the VED...as the people know with the three cylinder you go for two weeks with the small then two weeks with the medium tube and then back for a week to the small tube, which I did last night, I had marked the tube on my last pump before putting it away to move to the b cylinder, Put a piece of electric tape on the spot I was at....last night at the end of my session which is ten minutes, five warm up and five to  feel it is right, I past the tape mark, about a 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch gain....now the head of your unit becomes more cone shape in this smaller tube, but a gain is a gain from the first time, so to me it is positive and once again makes sense to me on the going back and forth of different sizes to move the plaque from front to back like a piece of taffy....or pizza dough....I have to give my kudos to the Old Man and Angus, they have been a big help in coaching me on the VED and it would of been very hard to do with out there help....and if Hawk and others wouldn't of put this forum together, I would be taking vit e or potaba and topical verapamil and going backwards instead of forward....God Bless You All!!!

Rico

[not9inches]

Ok guys. I'm going to get serious with the VED. Now...which size tubes do i need to get? I already have a good pump with gauge and quick pressure release.. I measure about 4 and 3/4 around.  Im looking at ordering from these guys.  http://www.bostonpump.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=2                                           ...but the measurements V.S. tube size seem small. any suggestions?

Now..im gonna ask...DOES THIS REALLY WORK>??!!??

[Old Man]

not9inches:

I think that you should look back in the previous posts on this topic by Dr. Tim. He has listed the site where he purchased his cylinders. They are of good quality and he has had great success in building his own VED.

The site has many size cylinders and you can select the ones you need based on your size there.

Regards, Old Man

[Angus]

Ok guys. I'm going to get serious with the VED. Now...which size tubes do i need to get?

   Hello not9....
   The tube sizes are sold by diameter or distance across. Since you know your circumference, you can use this formula: To find the diameter - divide the circumference by 3.1416. Convert your 4 3/4 to 4.75 then calculate. Good old Pi comes to the rescue. My calculator indicates you'd want a tube that's 1.5 inches across I.D. (inside diameter), provided you decide to go with the multi-tube protocol. There is a reason that the smallest tube size is almost the same size across as a penis.
   To answer your question... yes, this stuff really does work. It takes a commitment of time and patience, however. We don't have a magic, golden bullet yet that snuffs Peyronies Disease out with the wave of a hand or the gulping of a pill. This is re-modeling therapy. Please send a PM to Old Man if you have more questions. He has the therapy and much advice well organized into an understandable format. He also has extensive experience with the multi-tube devices and protocols. Some of us have quite a bit of knowledge on VED use, but Old Man is the Professor Emeritus upon the subject here. With Honors! This would be time well-spent.
   And... a warm welcome to the board!
   I know this next part should go into the Light Side thread, but..........
 
   In our case, Pi are not square.... Pi are Round!
   Old, bad joke. But I couldn't resist!  

[Liam]

My VED pump broke.  I sent an email to Augusta Medical to see if it was covered.  I also asked about upgrading my tubes to the Soma Correct.  This is the nice email I received one day later.

Good Morning!

Your product is registered and you have a life time warranty on the pump and cylinder.

Send the pump only to

Augusta Medical System

1022 Jones Street

Augusta Ga. 30901

Enclose a check or money for $5.00 inside the package with the defective pump for return shipping.

*******On the outside of the package underneath your return address put

xxx xxxxxxxxxx (deleted by Liam)

If this is not on the outside of the package, it will not be accepted.

You can purchase the cylinder inserts that go inside of your standard cylinder for $53.00 each.

Thank you for choosing Augusta Medical System and have a great day!

Shelba

I was impressed with the quick response.

Liam

[Mister Dillon]

Very encouraged with the results of my first month using the new SomaErect.  The device is easy to use and once I got used to it there was no discomfort.  I think they solved the pinching problem with the old unit.

I am excited that I have already made progress in just the first month of use.  I noticed better non aroused hang and fewer turtle like appearances (disappearances).  Now the turtle only seems to come around after exercise.  The best news is that I have seen good improvement in the curvature of my penis.  I started at around 70 degrees and I am now at less the 60 degrees.  ( you can see I had a lot of room for improvement ).

I still have another day before the end of my first month but I will be away from my computer for about 10 days and I wanted to share my good results with anyone thinking about a VED.  It works for me so far.  I will update in another month.  I will be happy to answer any questions but as I said I will be away for 10 days.

Mister Dillon

[Steve]

Congrats Mr Dillon,

Here's hoping for an additional 60 degrees of improvement!

Steve

[Angus]

 
    Mister Dillon, your report is fantastic. We so desperately need guys to report both positive and negative results. And that your results so far are posivite... that's just, as we used to say, super duper!

   

     

[Rico]

Mr. Dillion:

It is always good to see a step ahead, we all know what it is like to go backwards and sideways with this condition.....keep up the good work....Thanks for your post.... Sometimes Hope is all we have and you sharing will make some of the people who hit the wall at two months and put the VED away maybe rethink this, or you using the three cylinder approach also..... I thank the forum and the Old Man and Angus for there help and once again you for sharing....God Bless YOU!

Rico

[not9inches]

This is directed to primarily to "old man" and "ComeBackid" as i feel they are the most qualified to ask. But anyone else that has gone the full 26 week therapy course please add your 2 cents.  I've since gotten the smaller (1 and 1/2) cylinder to begin my stretching exercise. if you could...is there a link to a site or anything that tells you exactly how to proceed with this therapy. Such as how many times a week...how long for each tube size ...etc. Greatly appricaite the info.  

[ComeBacKid]

Not9inches,

I'm glad to see you pursued the ved therapy since we last talked.  You do the VED every single day, each week you rotate to a new cylinder size.  Every day you do 10 cycles according to the protocol.  One cycle is pumping a full erection and holding it for 5-10 seconds.  Some people hold for longer such as myself now that I'm 15 weeks into the VED program, I'd suggest simply following the instructions in the beginning until you get a feel for the VED, the first week will feel weird and "tight" especially in the A tube. There is one site on the 26 week protocol with some instructions, although its not the most detailed, take a look at it.  

http://www.vacuumtherapy.org/index.html

Click on extras to see the schedule for rotating each cylinder by the week.  
Small- A
Medium- B
Largest- C

Take your time pumping and pump slowly, do a few then stop as the blood filling up your penis lags behind your pumps.  You should never feel any pain while your pumping, if you do release pressure and don't pump up as much.  If you see any red pin size dots on your penis after therapy that means you most likely pumped to hard, or your on a blood thinner and I'd recomend getting off of it if thats possible.  I'm glad you decided to go with the VED, keep us informed on any results you see down the road, we need to do a better job at keeping data on this, we have many people on the VED right now as we speak!

ComeBackid

[not9inches]

ComeBackid

can you email me your phone number to call you? I have some specific questiosn to ask about the VED...would be easier than to try to write them..   my email is    peyroniehell@yahoo.com    

[ComeBacKid]

Is anyone here that is using a VED also on the pentox treatment?  If you are shoot me a PM.

ComeBackid

[Steve]

It seems like quite a while since I've heard any discussion of the traction devices here on the board.  Is anyone still using them and have there been any results?

Inquiring minds want to know

Steve

[bassman]

Hi all,

I am a new member and have had Peyronies Disease for 4 years now. I was very encouraged by what the Old Man and others had to say about using VED's to help in keeping the penis functioning with blood flow and possible remodeling. Since I have not been in a relationship for awhile I am concerned that if you don't use it I'll will lose it? I can still get an erection but I don't very often these days.

What would be the best system for me to purchase and get started with keeping safety in mind since I do not want to injure myself any further?

Bassman

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[Liam]

Hey, Mr. Bassman.  I want to be a bassman, too.  (Does anyone know the song?) Sorry I had to do that.  Is it like the musical bass or the fish?

Soma Correct is what I am upgrading to.  I think most people are using that.  Augusta Medical Systems make it.

I've been using one since my prostate surgery in July 2005.  No problems.  The first week I over pumped and got a little hickey.  No big deal.

The "protocol"  :::bowing in respect:::  everyone talks about sounds reasonable.  However,
I have just been pumping and holding and releasing several times in a row.  I try to do it nightly.  I have no real baseline with which to compare.  My opinion is I am better off having used it than if I had not.  Once I get the Soma Correct, I will start the protocol.  If nothing else, it will provide a structured format.  But, I doubt the creators had different people use different methods and compare.  Who knows if there is a better way?  This way seems to be successful for many.  So go for it.

[Steve]

Hi Bassman, welcome to the group.

Like Liam said, the Soma Correct is the 'unit of choice' for most of us here, but there are 2 drawbacks (so to speak).
1) Its very pricy > $500 from Augusta Medical!
2) You've got to get a Dr's prescription to purchase it from Augusta!

I've seen some posts in here from some who've bought it from some other suppliers off the internet without the Rx, but the price was still kinda high.  You might want to search the messages for some home-made units that are much less expensive.  I believe that our own Dr Tim has posted some links to find supplies of the individual parts, and if you look way back in the posts (probably over a year ago), I remember someone posting some much more detailed descriptions and photos of some home-made VEDs.

Good luck in your search, and welcome to the group!

Steve

[bassman]

Did you have to get a prescription from your doctor to purchase ?

Hey, Mr. Bassman.  I want to be a bassman, too.  (Does anyone know the song?) Sorry I had to do that.  Is it like the musical bass or the fish?

Soma Correct is what I am upgrading to.  I think most people are using that.  Augusta Medical Systems make it.

I've been using one since my prostate surgery in July 2005.  No problems.  The first week I over pumped and got a little hickey.  No big deal.

The "protocol"  :::bowing in respect:::  everyone talks about sounds reasonable.  However,
I have just been pumping and holding and releasing several times in a row.  I try to do it nightly.  I have no real baseline with which to compare.  My opinion is I am better off having used it than if I had not.  Once I get the Soma Correct, I will start the protocol.  If nothing else, it will provide a structured format.  But, I doubt the creators had different people use different methods and compare.  Who knows if there is a better way?  This way seems to be successful for many.  So go for it.

[jon]

FWIW, many of the more reputable fetish toy sites sell pumps w/ pressure gauges, and cylinders of varying diameter. all of which cost significantly less than the $500 Soma Correct. I can post links later if you all would like, but being as how I am at work right now, I can't surf to those sites.

[Old Man]

Bassman:

Answered your email earlier, but forgot to mention that the Somaerect does not come with the old Soma Correct 26 week protocol, but it is available on this thread earlier. If you have trouble locating it, I can email a copy to you.

The Somaerect does require a prescription to purchase. It is marketed for ED, but it is used for Peyronies Disease also. Another note, a pressure gage is not required for using VEDs for Peyronies Disease or ED therapy. It is a good safety device, but the general rule of thumb to use a VED is this: if pain or discomfort is experienced while pumping pressure with a VED, stop immediately and use less pressure.

Regards, Old Man

[Liam]

Yes, the doctor gave me a prescription.  I am not aware if it was necessary to purchase.  It did get my insurance (BC/BS) to pay (80%).   Go to the Augusta Medical and email them.  They have been courteous to me so far.  They have worked with some of the guys on the forum.

Around here, Old Man is the resident expert.  I'm sure he will help you anyway he can.  I see he offered to send you the 26 week protocol.

I also agree with the "rule of thumb".  Good old fashioned common sense is often the best safety device.

[vincenc]

Hi

Does anybody on the forum have any experiences buying VED in Europe? Has anybody from Europe tried to purchase Somaerect from USA? Would the prescription written by a doctor in EU be valid at all? Or is it maybe possible to buy Somaerect in EU also?

Can someone recommend any other VED brands that are maybe more popularized in EU and can also be used for Peyronies Disease? A while ago someone on the forum recommended an internet site (http://www.stockroom.com) where relatively quality cylinders and pumps can be purchased...Of course using an international order one could easily buy VED from them....but would need to pay some extra money for import duties and taxes... Can anybody remember of any similar internet services in EU?

Thank you very much in advance!

Have a nice day!

[Rico]

vincec,

I put augusta medical systems(they make the soma) in europe, and vitality medical came up, they carry them plus several others, just google it and put in europe behind it....

[Old Man]

vincenc:

The Somaerect is sold in the UK. Email Augusta Medical Systems and ask for their UK representative. Also, you might want to ask Dr. Tim for the sites where he purchased his VED material to make his own VED.

Angus has also made his own VED and would probably assist you should want to go that route.

Old Man

[vincenc]

Thanks Rico and Old Man! Will contact them and ask for their representative...I would be very grateful if dr. Tim or Angus can recommend any additional sites...I am not so much interested in building my own VED, but if there would be a chance to buy a quality device with various cylinder types I would probably give it a chance...

Thanks!

[percival]

Hi Vincenc
My urologist recommended a VED from Farnhurst Medical here in the UK - http://www.farnhurst-elite.co.uk
It is a simple single cylinder device but well-made and reliable.
Good luck
Percival

[Angus]

  Welcome to the board, Vincenc...

     A few thoughts...

     Number one, most here have agreed that staying away from inexpensive sex-toy marketing VED's is a good thing. Cheap plastic tubes and badly designed seals make for a potentially bad experience with these so please don't be temped by the ads. They have cheap rubber seals that will fall apart and the therapy discussed on this thread would be compromised by their lack of quality so lets eliminate "novelty" quality VED's from the choices. A $20 VED's design really doesn't serve our purpose here.
     That would leave 3 basic choices: Buy a medical quality VED as has been discussed here (Soma or other), assemble a VED from purchased quality components as Tim and some others have done, or make one yourself from raw materials obtained locally (which is what I did). A VED assembled from purchased quality components as Tim and others have done is certainly a viable choice for you, or you could purchase a quality medical unit as many others have done. Old Man, Tim and others have a wealth of information here just a click away if you have questions about the potentially confusing choice of tube sizes, pumps and understanding the therapy protocol.
     On the message board home page there is a link to the developing Child Boards which ultimately will be summaries and highlights of the threads in the main board area. Highlights of the VED thread have been put there in a read-only format which would be a good place to start as many of the posts regarding purchasing VED's and components have been listed. This would give you a good overview of the thoughts of members here without having to begin with searching the rather lengthy main thread right away. The VED Highlights contains much condensed information about buying a VED, assembling a VED, and discussion on the sometimes confusing subject of tube sizes. Again, ask questions whenever you want.

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/board,18.0.html
     

[vincenc]

Hi

Thanks Percival and Angus for your advice!

I agree that cheap plastic VED are not advisable....I am not considering buying something like that...But since I am relatively young (29) and still have rather strong day and night erections, I do hesitate to buy an over 500$ VED.....  Simply because I am still not convinced totally, that erection provoked by VED makes a big difference compared to natural one....  But on the other hand...there are some positive stories on the forum...so why not give it a try....

Thanks!

[Tim468]

Costs of a "cheaper" VED system:

Tube 1 (2" X 8.5" cylinder) - $72     or       (55)
Hand pump with gauge      - $30     or       (27)
Tube 2 (1.5" X 9")            - $72     or       (55)

Total                                $174   or       ($137!)

Hand Pump:

http://www.scienceartandmore.com/browseproducts/Vacuum-Pump---Hand.HTML

Cylinders - Boston Pump (on sale for $55 right now!):

http://www.bostonpump.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=12

Go for it, I say!

Tim

[Mister Dillon]

I was just on the Augusta Medical web site (http://www.augustams.com/)   to purchase some lubricant and I noticed that they have a less expensive version of the SomaErectSTF VED that does not require a doctors prescription.  It sells for $199.
It is called the VitalityOTC

 I don't know if this is new or has been around for awhile but the unit looks exactly like the SomaErect STF except it does not include the small cylinder (A).  I would think that they will sell you the small cylinder  for the list price of  $55.  Then you would have the same Medical grade VED for $254 plus shipping and tax.

I hope this helps.

Mister Dillon

[Rico]

Mr. Dillion:

That is a good point, I was on there site yesterday and didn't see that, it wasn't listed with the other products, by itself on bottom of page, plus it OTC(over the counter), no prescriptson/no insurance coverage also......with mine I got all the stf(size to fit) bands for ED, which I don't need and another piece to help put on constriction ring.....this looks good Mr.Dillion and if you aren't getting coverage anyway,  it looks like the standand c cylinder, I wonder if the b and c nest together in this tube, one could call and ask, I would suggest to go with all three cylinders, the progression of going to a to c might be too much till one is condition, I know some people also on the forum like the b cylinder for the fullness they get from it and if they had to choose would pick that one and the a cylinder, me I like having all three..... but if they do nest together and you bought that for 199. and 110. for the tubes it would be 309.  I paid 443. with tax so that would be a good savings....

Also you can get lube cheaper at any drug store, ky, Walgreen's has there version of this also cheap....I brought some astro glide per Angus, it really goes a long way, little more to spend and also thinner, but it is good lube, for clean up, I like the Walgreen's brand of ky, much cheaper and as good or better than Augusta, plus no shipping....

Rico..

[vincenc]

Thank Tim and others...I will check the offers on these sites....

Whishing you a nice day!

Vincenc

[Mister Dillon]

Rico

I am not clear what cylinders come with the unit from the pictures but information list the following:


Negative Pressure Chamber
Primary Sizing Adapter
Secondary Sizing Adapter

This could mean it comes with all three cylinders

I have tried the other lubricants but I refer the one that came from Augusta Medical  I sets up better on the seal for me

Thanks

Mister Dillon