VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[tired]

I have just finished thee 6th week with the ved and about to start with the largest cyl today. I dont see any improvement yet, but there is a tingeling sensation where the pain was when I first got peyronies. Is this something I should be concerned about? Thanks for any replies.

[Old Man]

tired:

That could mean just about anything. However, since you are having change with the fact that you feel something different you could be getting some results of the therapy. Each case of Peyronies Disease is totally different from any other, so only you will be able to know when you are getting good results.

Just stay on schedule with the protocol and be careful not to overpump the vacuum pressure.

Old Man

[Hitman]

i got the tingling sensations when i first started the use of the B cylinder and thats not surprising because that is the region of plaque.

[tired]

hitman                                                                                           thanks old man and hitman for the quick replies. hitman you said you also got sensations, did the ved help you? Old Man as I stated earlier in another post I also have some congenital curve issues and you have worked with men with both issues have you seen anyone with any improvement with the congenital issue? thanks again I really appreciate the people on this board.

[Hitman]

I'm in the third week of my VED use. so far I can report a slightly bigger penis in the flaccid state. the main difference however is the colour which is more pinkish than before. the pain on getting an erection is minimal compared to before the VED. It is also less curved when erect. However I belive my health condition is not helping at all.  

[Old Man]

tired:

I have no knowledge of anyone getting any corrective action using the VED for congenital curves. As Hitman says, it can promote a more healthy penis by helping with greater blood flow in and out of the corpora.

Old Man

[Tim468]

Old Man,

I have not yet heard of anyone doing the VED protocol in order to correct a congenital curvature. Have you? It seems to me that it might work for some folks (at least to the degree that penis enlargement seems to work for some folks too - this would be a form or "enlargement" on the short side, I guess).

Tim

[tired]

Thanks for the replies. I do have peyronies and a congenital curve, and am using the ved for the peyronies but was curios if it had helped anyone with congenital curve. Thanks again.

[Old Man]

Tim:

As I posted below, I have no knowledge of anyone getting corrective action for congenital curves using the VED therapy. Some I have worked with said they thought is was better, but they did not know for sure as they still had a curve after VED therapy helped their Peyronies Disease. They did not measure their degree of curve before starting the VED protocol.

I guess the jury is still out on that too. VEDs can and will keep one penis more healthy if used on a regular basis using only moderate vacuum pressure. I still use mine several times a week just for maintenance of what I accomplished during the regular protocol of therapy.

Old Man

[ghost24]

Hello,

Does the Vitality OTC from fitzz have a pressure gauge so that you can know how much pressure is in the cylinder?  If not, has this been a problem or dangerous to anyone using it?

Also, in the picture shown on the fitzz website, the manual pump looks like it's a little  plastic lever.  Has anyone had any problems with this breaking or any other durability issues?  It just looks cheaply made at first glance.

Also, on the website they mention gentlemen with peyronie's using shaving cream instead of ky to lubricate.  This seems like it would cause irritation, any comments?  Do you have to use lubrication when using a VED?

Thanks for your help.

Ghost

[Old Man]

ghost24:

Welcome to the forum. Glad that you are considering the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED. It is one of the best medical quality VEDs on the market for the price. You asked several things about this unit, and I will address them in the order you asked:

1. No, the VED does not have a pressure gauge with it. There really is not need for one since the person using it goes by the feel of the vacuum pressure. One will know immediately if he has used too much vacuum pressure. And no, I know of no one on the forum using a VED that has caused any permanent injury to himself. A few guys have overpumped and caused a temporary swelling and/or redness of their penis skin.

2. The lever is of a good durable material and so far as I know, no one has had any problem with the lever breaking. The unit does have a certain amount warranty in case there is breakage or malfunction of the VED.

3. Several guys on the forum do use shaving cream as a lubricant when using the VED. My personal take on this is that it would cause me irritation, so I don't use shaving cream. The VED comes with a tube of the company recommended lubrication. However, once that is used up, most of us use the Equate Brand of Personal Lubricant from Walmart. It only costs a little over $2.00 per tube and is an excellent water soluble lubricant. Yes, one should use plenty of lubricant when using a VED so that a very slippery surface is provided for the penis while sliding in and out of the VED. One must use the lubricant to keep the penis slippery while doing the 26 week protocol that is recommended for VED therapy.

Feel free to ask any and all questions about VED usage. Many guys on the forum are using it for their Peyronies Disease therapy and some have had great success with its use. Would suggest you go back over the VED compiled posts on the Child Boards topic to get a better overall discussion of its use. This topic also has many posts regarding its use.

Old Man

[tperry1010]

Hi Guys,

I just received my  my 3 cylinder Vitality VED from Fitzz today. Thanks to Old Man for all his help. I will post my results. I hope I am lucky as Double Eagle. I have a 90 degree bend, and am miserable.

Thank God for this site!!

Tom

[Michaelscott]

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the forum. I'm relatively young and have had Peyronie's Disease for about 7 years. With the advancement of viable treatment options for Peyronie's Disease I've decided to take a stand and try to fix my problem. I'm looking into traction and ved but my concern is that these methods may make my condition worse since I've had Peyronie's Disease for so long and calcification has probably taken place. Does anyone know if traction or ved can make Peyronie's Disease worse if the person has very hardened plaque and calcification? I've done a lot of research on the subject and can't seem to get any answers. I don't mind spending the time and money and getting no results, but making my problem worse is something I obviously don't want to do. Also, it is quite demoralizing to know that even if a successful treatment of Peyronie's Disease is introduced (like the drug by auxilium for example) that it might not be effective for people who have had the disease for a long period of time and likely have a lot of calcification. Any insights???

[LWillisjr]

Michaelscott,
I don't see how VED or traction use could make your Peyronies Disease worse. I don't think I have read any posts o this forum where usage of these made anything worse. I think the worse thing that could happen is that you would not see any improvment. If you think that you have calcification, Dr. Levine stated to me that once calcification sets in that the only treatment he know of that works is surgery. He is not aware of any therapy that will reverse the calcification.

[tperry1010]

Michaelscott,

For what it's worth, I've had peyronie's 3 years, have tried traction and it didn't help. Possibly because it is impossible to wear the awkward device the recommended time. I've seen no post on success with the traction device.

I have seen multiple post with success with VED, and it is much less awkward and time consuming. I am just beginning my VED protocol, and will post my results.

Good luck,

Tom

[jackp]

michaelscott
My peyronies started in 1995 I did not start proper VED exercise until 2007 after a failed implant procedure.

The year I was on the exercise recommended by Old Man let me gain back about 3/4 of an inch of lost length and made my penis much healthier.

I first met my new surgeon 7/08 and did not get my implant until 10/08 because of an accident. Doctor said to keep up the VED exercise until the day before surgery. I did and it lead to a better outcome.

The peyronies scar on top of my penis is the only reason I could not regain most all the lost length. I believe that if I had the exercise in 1995 or 96 my loss would not have so dramatic, 25%.

The exercise is on the Child Boards and Old Man is always glad to help.

Jackp

[Michaelscott]

Jackp,

Thanks for the reply. Did your VED improve curvature as well or just length?  

[jackp]

Michael
I am among the 1/3 of peyronies patients that the curve straighten after taking 400IU of vitamin E 3 times a day and potaba. Mine did in about 18 months. The down side was I lost 25% of my length. The doctor I was going to in 1996-97 could not offer any other help.

The VED did improve length, girth and my penile health after over 10 years of nothing but vitamin E.

Believe me I tried everything legal, and some not, trying to restore the damage. The only thing that helped was VED exercise recommended here.

I did have implant surgery last October that was from the other complications that followed peyronies, low testosterone, ED, loss of night time erections, venous leakage and corporal fibrosis. Remember surgery is the option of last resort.

Jackp

[hornman]

I am in my 4th week.  The second week on the B cylinder that is.  Things are feeling a little numb and the plaque seems more inflamed .  I am only pumping enough to hold a seal.  I am not going for size.  Should I continue with the program or give it a rest?  I certainly don't want to make things worse.

[UK]

MichaelScott

Just because you have had Peyronies for a long time does not mean you have calcification. A good urologist by touch or a scan would confirm this. Approx 30% of sufferers scar goes on to be calcified. If you have fibrosis (non calcified) for many years it should not then become calcified later on, it can be assumed to be stable at that point - that is what my urologist told me.

Surgery is apparently not the only option. I read but had my post removed as I provided the link to a partner site Q&A, that Pentox is now used by Dr Lue and others for calcificied scars as it is showing that it removes the calcium. I'm happy to message you where I read that. Pentox is shown to be effective in early stage active disease and not proven to be effective once regular fibrosis has set in.

I guess if you could get rid of the calcification then you could have more success with a non-surgical approach like VED or traction.

[phatkatwun]

I am now a little past half way through the VED protocol.

I started out with about a 90 degree upward bend, a kink near the end, waisting and very little blood flowing into the head with a natural or Cialis induced erection. The length and girth were considerable smaller because of the lack of use for a couple of years after having prostate cancer.

At the present time the upward bend has not changed and is still about 90 degrees, the kink near the end is still there, the waisting has gotten somewhat better and there is more blood flowing into the head from a Cialis induced erection. The length and girth has about returned to the pre-prostate cancer sizes. Erections are now essentially non-existent without Cialis and with Cialis they aren't adequate either.

I had radiation and hormone treatment for the prostate cancer. The PSA is now down to 0.301 and supposedly cured.

When using the VED my erections are the best I have had for the past 20 years, the length and girth are great. I have had trouble finding the best constrictor rings, but have found that when using two of the tight ones it will usually work. The good VED erection however, doesn't do much good because of the 90 degree bend.

I still believe the effort so far has been very worthwhile and maybe at the end of the other half of the protocol there will be some improvement in the 90 degree bend.

[ComeBacKid]

Phatkat,

Just as a friendly reminder if your doing the 26 week protocol you don't use the constriction rings.  However if your using the VED to gain an erection for sex you would use the constriction rings.  Using the constriction rings with the VED when doing the peyronies protocol is dangerous...

Comebackid

[phatkatwun]

Comebackid

I understand quite well. Two different issues.

phatkatwun

[default87]

Hello again, quick question for those you who ordered from fitzz.  I place my order over 2 weeks ago, and haven't received either of the 2 emails promised to me after the original order confirmation, or the product itself.  I sent an email to their customer care inquiring about this 3 days ago with no response.

Have anyone else had trouble dealing with this company?  If so, what did you do?

[ComeBacKid]

Default,

Not familiar with that company, do you have a website link you can post for us to examine.  You can make a ved from scratch at home, we have instructions on the forum to help save you a dime. Also a handfull of companies sell VED's, I got the soma correct model, its been so long since I got it and used it I forgot some of the information regarding it.  I plan to start using my VED again in the next few days, it seemed to help gain back size, especially girth.

Comebackid

[Old Man]

Default87:

The Fitzz company has a toll free number. Just give them a call and discuss your order with a technician. The company had a problem a few weeks ago with deliveries from their manufacturer. They were back ordered for their customers.

You should have received at least a confirmation of your order, so follow up on it.

Old Man

[tired]

Old Man:  many on here talk about your protocol as different than the one posted for the 3 piece medical ved, do you suggest something different? I already asked about just doing it the ten times only, and have been doing it like the posted protocol except doing it over and over for 10 to 15 minutes per day.If you suggest something different I would be interested in knowing. THANKS

[Old Man]

Tired:

No, I don't have a different protocol for the three cylinder VED than that posted in the Child Boards.

Sometimes, a guy wants to do something different to vary the protocol so I did develop what is called the "Milking Action" for use with the three cylinder model VEDs. This consists on nothing more than pumping up a partial erection and then simply moving the entire VED out from one's body an inch or two while holding the vacuum pressure, but do not release the vacuum while doing this. This can be done as fast or as slow as the individual feels comfortable with doing. Takes a bit of practice to get the hang of it, but it does seem to work better than just doing the regular pump up, hold and release cycles.

Old Man

[tired]

thanks

[Ironman]

Please post links to seller(s) of 3 tube devices. Thanks.

[Old Man]

Ironman:

The link to the web site for the Vitality OTC Three cylinder VED is:  www.fitzz.com

If you mention the promo code TEAM when ordering on line a discount is usually given the purchaser.

Old Man

[gigidoc]

For someone trying to correct the curvature without a need for extra length or diameter would the smaller cylinder A be the best option? Is there any beneficial effect on the curve from the larger cylinders?
Also I was wondering if a baby aspirin would have a similar effect to Pentox since both have similar blood thinning properties.

[Tim468]

The effects of Pentox have (probably) nothing to do with blood thinning properties. IT is the inhibition of TGF that makes it work (though it may exert other effects like inhibition of TNF too).

So the answer is no, aspirin will not do the same thing.

Tim

[Old Man]

gigidoc:

The main purpose of using the A or small cylinder in VED therapy for Peyronies Disease is to confine ones penis into a small area to that it is held very straight. In addition, it puts a pulling pressure lengthwise which helps with more stretching of the affected area(s) of the penile shaft.

The three cylinder protocol is designed to give an overall therapy effect on ones penis. It was developed through many trial and errors on the part of the manufacturer. The protocol is the result of their in house testing along with input from some who were enlisted to provide feed back from demo models provided them.

It does not work for all, but it has been suggested that about 85 to 90 percent of users report at least some success in therapy for Peyronies Disease. So far, as far as I know, there have been no official trial/studies done officially to give credence to the above figures. There has been a study done by a firm in Birmingham, Alabama, but their results seem to have not gotten published yet.

Old Man

[tperry1010]

I purchased a 3 tube Vitality  and have been pumping a week. Although all has gone well so far, I am naturally cautious about over pumping and injuring myself. I instinctively want to pump as much as possible to cause the most remolding, but I stop when I am engorged and it becomes "mildly " painful.....and my penis seems to have grown about 40% in length. Does that seem about right??

Also, the 26 week protocol calls for only 10 pumps per day of 5 to 10 seconds duration' which translates to a total of 50 to 100 seconds a day , not including pumping (takes me about 5 seconds per time.)

The Special note says you can modify, but to use caution!  50 - 100 seconds a day seems very low to have an effect, but it's great if that's all it takes.  I am going to try old mans "milking action."

I would be interested if Double Eagle (the most recent success story) followed this protocol. Any input would be appreciated.  

Thanks

TP1010

[Hawk]

... have been pumping a week....and my penis seems to have grown about 40% in length. Does that seem about right??

 So are you saying you increased like from about 5 inches to say 7 inches in length in a week

No that does not seem about right, in fact it seems utterly unbelievable!

[ComeBacKid]

I did the full six months and followed the protocol for cylinder use.  As for time on each pump and hold I did my own thing.  In the beginning like the first three weeks you just want to get yourself used to lightly pumping and play around with the VED.  After this I went and held each erection for like 25 seconds, then let it go just about flaccid.  This worked for me I noticeably gained size back, mainly girth with slight length gain.  It will work, it does take time though and patience and gets tedious after awhile!

Comebackid

[double eagle]

I would be interested if Double Eagle (the most recent success story) followed this protocol. Any input would be appreciated.  

The first 2 weeks were 10 second holds. The next three were 15 second holds. I am now up to 20 seconds per hold.

I do not think I will go past 30 seconds each.

I have noticed that while the curve to the left had decreased, the upward curve increased a few degrees. I always had an upswing to my natural curve, I have just noticed a little bit more.

I also have noticed that the size of the "hardening" has gotten smaller, but I have noticed another set of "nuggets" has formed on the top side of my penis as well. These don't feel as compact and round, it feels more like a series of bumps, almost like little "half" pearls.

I wonder if the original has broken up and moved around? Maybe that might be the cause of the "success"?

Anyone else experience similar?

[Hawk]

Hopefully most will NOT experience this but keep in mind that plaque formation on the opposite side of the penis will reduce the curve.  It is caused by disease progression, not reduction.  Such situations reduce the curve by shorten the penis much like a Nesbit tuck.

[Iceman]

OLDMAN - can i give the ved a break for a while ( say a week)  or does one have to use it every day??

[Old Man]

Iceman:

You can do whatever you want to with the protocol. However, it is designed to keep the penile tissue under a systematic means of exercising or stretching.

I recommend that if you are off the schedule for more than a week to start over. So, I guess that you would be safe to lay off for a week and then resume at the weekly schedule you left off, etc.

Remember, that consistency is the keyword in VED therapy.

Old Man

[double eagle]

One helluva gut/reality check!  

I had to grab the old tape measure!  

No loss in length! WHEW!  

[tperry1010]

Hawk,

My 40% increase was in reference to the growth in length from completely flaccid to fully pumped; not a permanent increase. Sorry for my misstatement.

T Perry

[Hawk]

Hawk,

My 40% increase was in reference to the growth in length from completely flaccid to fully pumped; not a permanent increase. Sorry for my misstatement.

T Perry

Thanks for clarifying.  I knew something was wrong.

In reference to your question, the percentage of increase from flaccid to pumped up, or to erect cannot be estimated since it varies so much from individual to individual.  In some men flaccid size is close to erect size, others more than double in size between the two states.

[Hitman]

thanks for clearing that up  

[gourdo]

hi there, question for those who know such things...I just bought and received the Vitality 3 cylinder VED, and after reading some posts here believe I am using it correctly. I've tried it twice so for with similar results... after pumping to the point of definitely feeling the negative pressure, it's not resulting in anything close to an erection. I'd say 2 on scale of 10 at best.  I pumped a few more times to verge of discomfort but same result. Is this normal? I have no problem getting very hard when aroused, but this contraption doesn't really do the trick in that regard. Am I doing something wrong? Will it possible to still achieve positive results for peyronie's from the VED if I'm not getting erect?  Any feedback or suggestion is much appreciated.

 

[seaside2]

Gourdo, Check Oldman's post # 2040. The objective here is not to develop an erection, it is to minimize and hopefully reverse the effects of Peyronies Disease. I have used the 3 cylinder protocol for about 8 months now. The results have been good. I did not do before and after measurements, but qualitatively, my erections are stronger, curvature no worse, perhaps slightly less, length and girth no worse, perhaps slightly better.

The one unexpected benefit that I have received is the ability to go off Flomax. My urine stream is much improved and the side effects of Folmax have disappeared.

I too do not achieve an arousal type erection using the VED, which is fine for me in that I have little trouble achieving an arousal erection. Being somewhat older, it takes a little more effort, but that's part of the fun.

I don't remember who stated this, but I have been using the "milking" technique and find that it seems to help bring more blood into the penis, and makes for an improved result. It takes a little practice, but is worth it to me.

[Hawk]

I have used a single cylinder VED for years and i dsagree with some of what Seaside2 seemed to be saying.

The goal of a VED IS to get an erection.  Old Man may have correctly said the goal is not to get an engorged uncomfortable erection or something to that effect but the erection that results should surely at least rise to the level of approaching enough firmness that it would be suitable for penetration.

Gourdo, I would suggest that you hold the negative pressure that you mention and give the VED ample time to slowly draw the blood in.  Release, then each time you repump, the erection should fill a bit more until it eventually gets to at least a level that could sustain intercourse.  At the point you experience any of the following you have pumped too much of an erection: pain, stretched tight skin, dimpling, dark red dots on the surface of the skin, edema or fluid collection under the skin.

The idea of the VED is to hold the pressure until the pressure equalizes by blood SLOWLY flowing into the penis.  Even if you do not have a normal VED erection you could cause problems by pumping too much pressure too fast and not allowing a slow fill of blood.  Bottom line is it is not just the size of the erection that has to be controlled but the speed of the erection.

[seaside2]

Hawk.

I think we are saying the same thing, just in a different manner. My understanding is that having an erection just for the sake of an erection is not the ultimate goal, improving the Peyronies Disease is.

Make sense?

[Hawk]

Seaside,

That does make sense, it is just that I read Gourdo's post to say his penis would not even approach a usable erection while in the VED.  It should.

An erection scale sometimes used by sexual dysfunction doctors is:

1 - totally flaccid with no apparent blood fill
2-
3- fuller flaccid hang
4-
5- may accomplish penetration with extreme effort but not erect enough for intercourse (what I call a stuffer)
6- an erection that is just erect enough to have intercourse
7-
8- Solid typical erection
9-
10- the most engorged erection you have ever had.  

Using this scale I would expect VED therapy to get the user to a 6,7,or 8 level

Dr. Mulhall's office uses this scale when regulating the dose of bimix or trimix injection for erections.  The user emails the dose used, the number of the erection, and duration of erection.

PS: I recommend against injections for ED.