VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[NG_F]

I have used a VED in 2002-2003 for ED mostly from the use of propecia,which I started in 2000.

My first pump was the actual VED device from Mission pharmacal.This pump has no gauge. I pumped a few times with this,with what I feel was excessive pressure.

I bought a Vacutech pump with a gauge on it 2 months later.I used pressures which were normal,between 5-7 inHg.I would stay in the cylinder for 10-15 mins at a time for a maximum of 3 sets per session,1 session/week.

I started to notice a slight propensity for my penis to curve to the left while in the tube.This I have not noticed before using a VED.

I would occasionally get some fluid buildup in midshaft(donut) but never any bruising or discoloration.My erections were great for the first few months but then were difficult to achieve after this,so I stopped pumping.

I've been having poor erections for the last 3 years and have noticed that my penis is constantly curving to the left during semi and erect states after sex by about 10 degrees.

I believe I may have permanently damaged the small arterioles that stem from the 2 cavernosal arteries.Particularly the left one as well as the dorsal arterioles and the bulbo-urethral arterioles that supply engorgement to the glans.

The first few times I  pumped my shaft and glans expanded massively and I had great erections.My penis felt very heavy and full well after pumping.

My erections lately are insufficient for penetration and my flacid looks very small with barely enough blood volume and weight to preserve the tissue I have left.

My latest colour doppler ultrasound with 50 units of prostin showed poor response during test,fair response after test and good/turgid response close to discharge,which took 2 hours and double dose sudafed liquid to obtain detumescence. systolic/diastolic pressures are as follows for right and left arteries respectively...Flacid: 11/0,13/0 cm/sec  5mins:67/12 cm/sec, 75/18 with a resistive Index of 0.82 and 0.76  30 mins: 122/0, 164/0 cm/sec.

Usual peak systolic pressures are between 25-40 cm/sec.

Are my pressures highly elevated because my arterioles are damaged and there is no distribution to the sinusoids in the corpora cavernosa thus not delaying arterial velocities?As if my arteries were firing from base to glans with no distribution? Is this possible? Or is this anxiety with high adrenergic tone and the test should be repeated with phentolamine as in the tri-mix formulations to get an accurate picture?

I would greatly appreciate any and all information and advice as I'm severely depressed with my potential stupidity.

I see a decent urologist in the next month.My family doctor oredered this test.

My doppler from 2003- 1 year after pumping with 25 units of prostin revealed an excellent pharmacological response throughout the whole test.
Peak systolic velocities were:  5 minutes: 41 and 25 cm/sec  and 30 mins:42 and 74 cm/sec.Even here we see the higher than normal pressure in the left cavernosal artery after 30 mins?

I have had urinary problems for the last 4 years to the best of my recollection,which includes frequency and urgency with problems starting and dribbling while attempting to stop.Slight pain and discomfort. Urodynamic study was normal performed last week.
I'm thinking that my excessive pressures might have torn my tunica around the corpora bodies as well as around the urethra?

I have not pumped since 2004.

I have been off of propecia for 8 months now.Nasty drug!

I would really appreciate some educated assistance.Thanks very much in advance.

[1966SS]

A thanks for all here that replied. Thanks for the invite to the site and the information on the VED device and Fastsize traction type device. I am planning to use both devices with the 26 week therapy schedule listed on this site. I was also wondering if I should be trying the verapimel injections during this physical therapy regiment? Is anyone trying these three treatment combinations with any success? Currently I have been taking 800 iu's of vitamin E which I can say in minor in treatment therapy compared to many on this site. I had recieved an email regarding a drug named Pentox which I am unfamilular with at this point.

All I know at this point and time is this bump in the penis and road of life I could do without. As I am sure many others here feel the same. Again, I appreciate the advise and replies from all. Sorry for the confusion on the user name. Your right Old Man it is a 1966 SS Chevelle. My first car at the age of 16 was a 1966 SS Chevelle.  I am 51 and have a 66SS parked in the garage which I will always own unitl they pry it from my cold fingers. I will change my name to SSChevelle. Again, thanks for the welcome. I look forward to getting to know some new folks online and hopefully getting a tool alignment.

SSChevelle

[Old Man]

SS1966:

You should take a good long look at the verapamil topic before embarking on a course of injections of the med. As far as I know, very few, if any, have posted good results with the injections.

Using the VED, traction and verapamil injections IMHO just won't work together. There is too much danger in causing more trauma if the VED is used along with the injections. A lot of guys have posted about the black and blue after effect of the needle site after the injection. The vacuum pressure can and will cause that injection site to be traumatized IMHO.

So get well informed about using all three methods of Peyronies Disease therapy before using them by reading all the related topics and posts.

Old Man

[Tim468]

NG_F

I am not familiar with the data you present in terms of flow velocity etc, therefore do not feel I can be of help.

I am also not sure what pressure you used and if it may have led to damage to the penis - my bet would have been with the Propecia, not the VED as the cause of the problem.

The propensity for fibrosis with Propecia suggests that Pentox will help.

Tim

[LWillisjr]

SS1966,

Dr. Levine has published a study where he prescribed the following together...  1. Traction, 2. Verapamil injections, 3. Pentox.  His study claims a 70% success rate. But there don't seem to be many of those success stories on this forum.

I agree with Old Man that I would be careful using Verapamil with the VED. I for sure WOULD NOT use the VED for several days after a Verapamil Injection due to the trauma of the injection. And this then upsets the 26 week protocol. I think you could use the VED and traction together without the injections.

[kinoast]

double eagle, angus, Tim 468...

thanks for the advice on VED usage, especially with getting a good seal.  sorry for the delay in thanks, I've been away from the boards.

Old Man, no worries!  I was just trying to keep it light and kid with you a bit.  No damage to my psyche.  One has to have a sense of humor about yourself and it especially helps in these situations.  As my dad would always say (and I don't *think* he was talking about peyronie's): "If I couldn't laugh, I'd have to cry."

I appreciate your continued time and devotion to the board and its members.

Cheers all.

[Old Man]

kinoast:

No problem. We just need to make sure that all understand the proper way to use a VED and not cause further trauma. The fact that anyone has the mess is bad enough, huh?

Since I had it for so long, it has become rather serious business for me and I want to help everyone as much as possible. So take care and continue with your therapy. Be sure to report back on any results you might have with VED usage = good or bad.

Old Man

[alcohen]

The constriction rings that come with the VED...  What do they feel like?  I have heard that the end of your penis starts to feel icy cold.  Is this true?  For those that have done it, does using a VED and a constriction ring feel normal?  Is there any sort of constriction ring that could be used independently of a VED?  For example, if through the use of Cialis I could achieve a temporary full erection, could I then use just a constrictor ring to keep the blood in there?  Or is that not how it works?  

[Hawk]

A constriction band can make the glans fee cold after several minutes IF you are not having intercourse.

There are an assortment of "cock rings" available that will likely control venous leakage since the veins run very near the surface of the penis and the arteries are much deeper.  Just google the term and you will probably get millions of hits.  There are many types, from those that fasten around the penis to ringa that slip over the penis.  Some can be put on flaccid and you expand into them.  Some are designed to put on while erect.  They even come in various styles from nude looking to "heavy metal".  A simple rubber "O" ring works.

Here is a link to a medical grade adjustable band that I would recommend.  It is less traumatizing due to easy application and removal. http://www.phoenix5.org/sexaids/other/actis.html

paste this link and add another "w" for some idea on selection (I disabled it because I do not want to link to this site) ww.babeland.com/sexinfo/howto/use-a-cock-ring

[tired]

I was reading some of the oler questions in the ved section and I have a new question. I am on my 3rd week of the protocol and everything seems to be going smooth. When I first asked about the ved use I mentioned I was diagnosed with peyronies about a 2 years ago, but I did not mention I already had congenital curve downward. The peyronies is a curve to the left. In your opinion does this effect how or if I should be using the ved? thanks for any response, and especially thanks Old Man for your storehouse of wisdom.

[Old Man]

tired:

OK, you have a double situation with both a congenital curve and a Peyronies Disease curve. In my work with many guys with the same situation, we have found that the Peyronies Disease curve was helped, but the congenital curve remained the same. There is one penile condition called Chordee that does not respond well to VED therapy too. So make sure that you don't have that condition. It is quite similar to congenital curve in looks and it most cases only a qualified uro can tell the difference. So you might want to check that out with your uro on your next appointment with him/her.

If you are doing VED therapy now or planning to do it, I would strongly urge you to be very careful, at least at first, with your VED therapy sessions. Caution in not overpumping vacuum pressure is to be observed at all times.

I personally don't see any reason you should not use VED therapy. However, if you do and have any unexplained pain or serious discomfort from VED usage, be sure to check it out with your uro or at least you primary care physician.

Old Man

[Old Man]

alcohen:

Hawk has given you valuable information about restrictor rings/cock rings so be careful to use his advice.

Now, I am adding some more valuable words of caution to his recommendations:

DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT USE A RESTRICTOR RING OR RINGS IN ANY SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION WHILE USING THE VED FOR Peyronies Disease THERAPY! THEY ARE TO BE USED ONLY TO HOLD UP ERECTIONS FOR SEXUAL ACTIVITY!! SERIOUS DAMAGE CAN AND WILL OCCUR IF THEY ARE USED! IF USED, THEY WILL PRECLUDE THE OUTFLOW OF BLOOD FROM YOUR PENILE CHAMBERS WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR SAFE VED USAGE.

Note: Caps used for high emphasis.

Old Man

[Thin Man]

alcohen and everyone,

In reply to

... if through the use of Cialis I could achieve a temporary full erection, could I then use just a constrictor ring to keep the blood in there?  Or is that not how it works?

PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. I DID JUST RECENTLY AND WAS INJURED FROM IT.

Please see my recent message in General Comments on Peyronie's

Reply #1120 on: February 02, 2009, 10:48:02 PM »

My injury suddenly worsened about 10 weeks ago from carelessness on my part - I was using an erection ring while experimenting with a very low dose of Cialis (which wasn't working that well for me obviously). Huge mistake, please don't do this. I had a very painful ejaculation and immediately developed an hourglass deformity about mid shaft, further narrowing of the distal half of my penis, and some shortening, still no curvature, but greatly reduced erectile and ejaculatory function which I hope will improve.

I just saw Dr. Wessels about this today and he feels there is very little he can do for me. I'm curious to know if anyone else has had a similar experience. For me using the ring and Cialis together seems to have caused an internal explosion of sorts (so far as I can tell right now - ultrasound coming). Maybe this wouldn't be so for everyone, but I got the new injury very suddenly directly following this incident. It's terrifying to see something like this appear so quickly. The hourglass has slightly improved over 10 weeks and the pain has subsided by now, but I've lost about half an inch over time. Also I was having an easier time getting erections in the first month, seems to be somewhat more challenging now.

Thin Man

[Hawk]

I use ED drugs and constriction rings on a regular basis for sex.  I use a ring that is snug but not overly tight.  It makes all the difference in the world to what would otherwise be a borderline usable/unusable erection.

I have used the Actis adjustable noose and clear rings that come with a Vacurect VED.  They are flat like a washer with a funnel like hole in the thin center material.  http://www.vacurect.com/howitworks.htm

Neither of these ring snap onto the penis like a rubber band.  One is adjusted with a slip knot.  One is put on flaccid and provided snug tension as you get erect.

[bassman]

Gentlemen,

I am beginning to run low on the lubricant that came with my VED. I know it needs to be a water base product, is this something I can purchase at a drug store or do I have to order it from the VED manufacturer ?
If I can purchase it from a drug store what type / brand would you suggest ?

Bassman

[Old Man]

bassman:

The best and cheapest lubricant you can buy is the Equate Personal Lubricant from Walmart. The cost is around $2.00 per tube. It works just as well as KY gel and the lube from the VED manufacturer. And, the price is much less.

So trot on down to the WM Super Center and stock up.

Old Man

[bassman]

Old Man,

Thank you, can I use KY gel in a pinch ?

Bassman

[Old Man]

bassman:

You can use most any kind of water soluble personal lubricant. Do not use any lubricant that is not water soluble, such as petroleum based ones. These will cause the VED pump to fail early if any should be drawn into the pump mechanism. They are difficult to clean up too. Ky gel is an excellent water soluble personal lubricant, just a bit pricey but it is OK to use.

So, be careful to use the correct water soluble items. They also provide for easier cleanup.

Old Man

[bassman]

Old Man,

Thanks for your wisdom !

Bassman

[mikesb]

Old Man,

Thanks for your wisdom !

Bassman

I echo that sentiment and thank you sincerely for answering my PM's during this initiation period (for me) to VED protocol, your advice has helped immeasureably!!! (Well, maybe several months down the road your help WILL be measureable).

Mike

[Old Man]

bassman & mikesb:

Thanks for the kudos, but that is what we do on this forum - help where we can. Just keep up the good work and make some progress.

Please keep us informed as to any progress or results whether it is good or bad. The forum members need to know what helps and what does not.

Old Man

[Art]

Good Evening !  
    I joined this forum back in December of  '08 looking for help finding a VED with some sort of credibility (use , durability and reasonable cost) and hopefully a successful track record "correcting the curve".

    Judging by a majority of the discussions I have read, drugs (potentially negative side effects to the rest of your body), surgery (physically hazardous and certainly quite expensive) and "wait and see" ( my urologist's recommendation) all offer no real CURE in the immediate future.  I am 64 now so I cannot afford to wait much longer for either the medical community or the drug industry to announce the "Miracle Cure" – Take two pills & call me in the morning.

I did follow Hawk's advice and purchased a Vitality OTC vacuum pump from the Fitzz Corporation.  Unfortunately, either their shipping department and/or UPS messed up the initial order.  I waited close to two weeks and did not receive the product.  I went to the UPS web site and discovered the product was not even picked up.  

    The gentleman at Fitzz was sincere in his apologies and assured me it would be "on its way" the next day.  Indeed, it was and it was delivered two days later.  The really nice part of this process was Fitzz's attitude about correcting a problem even if it was as simple as a missed placed order form.  When I opened the box I was pleasantly surprised to find they had upgraded my order and shipped the battery operated model (I had ordered the "manual" model).

     I am aware of the warning about using too much "negative pressure", but so far that has not been a significant problem.  I was very careful, even a bit too cautious the first few times I used it.  The controls on the pump respond quickly and are easy to use.  

    I did modify the daily regimen just a bit.  Instead of maintaining negative pressure for only ten seconds at a time, I hold the vacuum for almost a minute, ten times per session.  I think I understand the philosophy of "training" my penis, and all that is inside it and I would think veins, vessels and tissue would learn quicker if held for longer than ten seconds.  When exercising other parts of our body we emphasize duration, i.e. walking or running a bit longer each session to increase our lungs ability (and capacity) to exchange oxygen.

    So would it make sense to hold my penis straighter (and eventually a bit longer) for longer time frames, teaching the tissue that this is your new shape, this is your new capacity ?  In any event, I have been using it for a full two weeks and so far I have not experienced any bruising or unusual swelling.  Once again, I am quite careful as to the amount of negative pressure I apply.

Thank you for the recommendation.  And thank you for all the efforts and hard work you do to keep this site working so well.

[Old Man]

Art:

Glad that you got some fast action from the Fitzz company. I have personally been in contact with the company president about the delays, misplaced orders and in some cases leaving out 2 of the cylinders from the order package. He assured me that corrective action would be handled ASAP.

He has made corrections for a number of orders lately and that is good. One of his problems occurred when his supplier, Augusta Medical Systems, had a problem with delivery of the cylinders from their supplier. That problem has now been resolved and things should be back on track.

It is good to hear that your problem was quickly resolved and your order was updated to the battery powered model VED. Based on my experience with using the VED for helping with ED and Peyronies Disease problems, I would like to state that holding the pressure too long between cycles of the exercise can and will eventually cause your some serious problems. The experience of many on this forum have come to realize that less is better in "remolding" the penile corpora tissues. More frequent holding cycles will over time produce better results than the longer holding times.

Many uros are now coming to realize the value of VED therapy in more ways than one. Of course, it is an excellent tool to produce erections for those of us who have an ED problem. It can and will produce one of the best erections that a person can possibly get. However, if used improperly, the VED can cause serious damage, so that is why you read about the cautions posted all over this forum about the correct amount of pressure. The watchword for VED therapy is this: if you feel discomfort or pain in any form, this is an alert that you have over pumped the pressure.

So, be forewarned that you must, repeat must, exercise your best judgment about the amount of vacuum pressure you use. None of us want to hear that you have caused further trauma to your most prized possession.

The bottom line for VED therapy is that less is better than more. Read all the posts you can about what others are doing in the protocol. It is a tried and proven tool for Peyronies Disease therapy, at least, based on the experiences of those on this forum.

My recommendation for you is to try holding the pressure at varying levels and different holding times until you find one that is comfortable and you feel no pain or discomfort. You implied that you might have had some swelling with using the VED. If you did, this is a sign that at some point you did over pump the pressure.

Good luck on your protocol and keep the forum posted on your progress or lack thereof so that others can benefit from your experiences. We all are here to help others in any way possible, so feel free to join in with any comments or questions you might have.

Old Man

[McNally]

I use Viagra 100 mg (up from 50 mg a year ago) to aid intercourse mainly in maintaining an erection. Do constriction rings provide any benefit other than maintaining an erection? I feel like I read someplace, sometime that they might actually help straighten the penis during an erection. Any truth to this or is it a case of a misread or another one of my mismemories?  

[Hitman]

3rd day of the first week in the VED program  

penis is noticebaly bigger in the flaccid state. less curvature when erect. first day I used the VED I got a phantom effect. erections are coming by but rather slowly. Oh and the foreskin feels funny.

I'm going to an endo because I suspect hormonal deficiency and also I'm dieting down. I tested my Vitamin D levels and they are very low.

All in all good so far.

[Tim468]

McNally,

Don't use constriction rings for anything except erectile dysfunction, and then limit the time to 20-30 minutes. They do not allow you to take off the VED and walk around without it, acting as a form of non-erotic erection that keeps you pumped up. Instead, they run the risk of leading to vascular problems.

If Viagra works for you, then use that. You might find Cialis works well and builds up a benefit over time (like two weeks, such that you can find a "maintenance dose" (ie 5 mg a day) that keeps you ready to play. The VED is to work on getting out the kinks (so to speak) in Peyronie's.

Tim

[ComeBacKid]

Hitman,

You will notice your hanging bigger in the flaccid state, long after your done pumping, this is normal.  I got quite a jump in size, but I had quite a loss of size due to my peyronies, so I probably ended up being back to where I was before I had peyronies, but still this definately is a good feeling to gain size.  Just be sure to pump slowly and if you notice any little red dots it means you are pumping to hard, if you don't notice any, that is good, that means your pumping right.  Another thing for anyone pumping, you need to make sure after you pump and hold an erection or as big as you can fill the tube, then release the air and let your penis go totally flaccid again in the tube.  Restriction rings shouldn't be used with VED therapy at all!

Comebackid  

[Fredca]

What happens if you are using VED, for say 26 weeks, and you stop using it? Does your penis slowly fall back to its original state?  

[jackp]

Fredca
I started the VED exercise recommended by Old Man 10/07. Was making nice progress. 7-8 08 a accident put me in the hospital with a punctured esophagus, collapsed lung and put my heart into a-fib.
I was in the hospital for 10 days. When I came home I looked 110 instead of 65. I looked at my penis and thought I had lost all I had gained and more. I was not using the VED for about 2 weeks before starting back. In less than a week I was back to where I was before the accident.
IMHO opinion keep up the VED exercise. It helps!
Jackp

[hornman]

OK, I received my VED and am on my 3rd day of use.  I have the 3 tube manual pump.  I'm hoping  it will be benificial to my unique case of peyronies.  I have the hourglass deformity and the waisting is at the very base of my erect penis. This means that the tissue I am trying to remodel is really not within the tube. Old man - Should I skip the smaller tube?  The larger tube will allow more of the dented areas to be drawn into it.  I don't have much of a curve.  Maybe 15 degs.

Hornman

[Mick]

I followed the 26 week protocol, finishing in August of 2007.  My results were quite good (you can see them in the Childs Boards); thereafter, I used the VED sporadically for about 3 months, then went about nine without using it at all.  I have just recently resumed using it 3 times per week.  There has been virtually no change since the completion of the 26 week protocol, but I must admit that I feel healthier since I resumed pumping.  

[Old Man]

hornman:

No, I would not skip using the small cylinder. It is only for the first two week period and you need your penis to get acclimated to fitting into the confined space. Just be careful not to use too much pressure to adversely affect the Peyronies Disease symptoms at the base as you said.

After you finish the first two weeks of the protocol, just use the B and C cylinders as shown in the protocol listing. As Mick says, one should use the VED for maintenance of size and a healthy penis if for nothing else.

Used properly, the VED will in most cases afford at least some relief of the symptoms. It is also a most valuable help for ED problems by using the restrictor rings properly and with the right tension.

Old Man

[tperry1010]

Old  Man,

I figured out how to post after reading Hawks simple instructions. Still would appreciate some guidance on ordering all the tubes on the Vitality so I can use the "Three tube protocol"

Has anyone have any experience with a traction device verses a VED. I tried traction for several months with no success;I simply couldn't wear the device for more than a couple of hours at most...also caused bruising which led to off and on use, instead of the 6-8 hours or so a day they recommend, which was unreasonable. More consistent long term use may have produced better results, but at least with the VED, the protocol is reasonable.

Thanks,

TP

[Hitman]

how long does it normally take for tissue modelling to take place?

[mikemck]

Has anyone used the longer tubes for the Vitality device?

How much longer are they?

Are they the same diameter as standard at each end?

Thanks.

[mikemck]

I have been using the Vitality and am about 1/2 way through the 26 week protocol.  I have regained about 3/4" of lost length.  The hourglass deformities seem somewhat improved. Originally I had about a 45 degree upward bend about 1/3 of the way back from the end.  That seems to be about 35 degrees now, although it is hard to know if I get the middle of the protractor in the same place each time.

With the 3 tubes vacuum is created in the space between the tubes.  This pulled on my skin at the openings between the tubes near the base.  This caused a lot of pulling on the skin as my penis stretched into the tube, especially with the small tube.  I couldn't pump much vacuum without much discomfort from pulling skin.

I have recently started using strips of electrical tape across the space between the rubber ring and the inner tube.  Now the small and medium size tubes are much more comfortable to use and I can pump more with them.  

[MJ33]

Can someone explain the rationale behind the 3 cylinders, and why does the protocol start with the smallest cylinder and move to the largest? I would have thought you'd start in the largest cylinder which could accommodate a larger penile curve, and then gradually move to the smallest diameter cylinder which would force the penis into the straightest line?

[Old Man]

TPerry1010: Go to the Fitzz web site to get their phone number. Then call them about how to order the extra cylinders.

Hitman: The time it takes to realize results from VED therapy varies between individuals. You just have to continue with the protocol and observe any and all changes you experience.

Mikemck: See note to TP above. Their representative will be able to assist you. Also, you should ask the company rep about the problem of the "pinching effect" you are experiencing. There were some VEDs that were sold with an insert problem. There has been a fix for this so ask about that too. Glad to hear you are seeing some good results from the therapy.

MJ33: The three cylinder model VEDs are purposely designed to start off the therapy with the penis being confined into a smaller space to help start the "learning curve" of the penis to remold or remodel its shape. Being in a confined space, the cylinders keep the penis in its most straightest position thereby sort of forcing it to remain straight while in the cylinder. The medium and large cylinders are so designed so that the penis can experience more open space to stretch in girth and length as well. This protocol was developed after many trials and errors of the company that designed and manufactured the VED. So, if your are into VED therapy with a three cylinder VED, I strongly recommend that you stick to the scheduled cylinder protocol.

Regards to all, Old Man

[getting_there_in_oregon]

i remember reading posts about this so if someone could remind me...

how do you buy the lube in a normal drug store? where is it usually found? what's it sold for.... (i know it's not sold as VED lube! hehehe)

[jackp]

Lube is water based KY.

The best place to buy it is Wal-mart store brand found where the condoms are sold.

Works just as good or better than the name brands, and only about $2.00 a tube.

Jackp

[Old Man]

ggg953:

I tried to answer your last PM dated Sunday 2/15/09. Your inbox is full and cannot accept any more messages. You should open your message center inbox page. Locate the the boxes in the right hand margin of each incoming PM. Place a check mark in the square indicating which messages you want deleted, then scroll to the bottom of the listing and click delete selected message(s).

Then and then only will you be able to get more PMs. You can determine how full your inbox is by checking the percent it is full in the left margin of your inbox page where is shows how full your inbox is, etc. You can determine how many incoming PMs you are allowed by the percentage of fullness shown. (For example: if you inbox shows 10% full and you have 10 messages, you are allowed 100 incoming PM. Note that this is an example only and that each member has different allowable incoming PMs.)

Old Man

[NG_F]

Toby:

Sorry to hear that you have not seen any good results of the VED therapy. From what you are saying, your plaque and other symptoms came after you started using the VED. Sometimes this happens and that is why I always try to state the VED therapy does not work successfully for all. I know that you don't want to hear that, but I must be truthful about it. However, don't give up the ship just yet. I may take as much as a year or more on the VED to see good results. It has in some cases that I have seen.

Anyway, try and keep a positive attitude about it all and keep up the schedule to the letter.

Old Man

This is what has happened to me.I was recommended the use of the VED for ED from my urologist.I started using it in 2002

For the first 2 months I had amazing turgid erections with very profound glan expansion, something I have not seen in 5 years.

After this I noticed my erections were starting to suffer,I became flacid coming out of the tube and my glans started getting small and soft.

I also noticed that in the tube my erection starting bending slightly to the left.
I did not use any excesss internal pressure.

I then switched to a pump with a reliable gauge on it and always stayed within propper pressures and tube times.

My erections did not improve at any point after this,so I discontinued the use of the VED. I was also on propecia from 2000-2008. I've been off now for 8 months.

The curve is very pronounced in semi-erection 40 degrees to the left,but straightens out to less than 10 degrees during occasional erections.

I did not have this curve or this amount of ED prior to VED usage.

Did I damage tunica or soft tissue in the cavernosa ie)sinusoids? Will any therapies or treatments help ie)pentox,vitE, Acetyl-L-Carnitine ?

My penis is always shrunk in the flacid state and I rarely get spontaneous erections.Morning erections are short lived and subside after urination.
My hydraulics seem broken as sitting on the toilet seat and going to the bathroom does not induce PC muscle  erections like in the past.

Doppler ultrasounds from 2003 and 2008 show good response in 2003 but with high velocity in the left cavernosal artery after 30 mins (76 cm/sec) usual range is 25-40 cm/sec.
In 2008 I had a poor response after 5 mins,fair after 30 mins and good to turgid upon discharge.Velocities were very high at 64 and 72 cm/sec right and left arteries after 5 mins and 128 and 164 cm/sec right and left cavernosal arteries.

Is the rapid flow from damage and lack of dispersion/distribution to the helecine arterioles and sinusoids or is there a constrictive adrenergic involvement involved as I did experience a  turgid erection shortly after the test was over.

I am so angry to listen to this urologist.I feel that I may have doomed myself with some permanent damage? I would appreciate any input.

I will see the best and do whatever it takes  to fix my condition as much as possible.I will not touch the VED again unless recommended by a very experienced urologist in these matters. Thanks in advance for any advice and information.

[Ptolemy]

NG_F, how can you be sure the VED caused your problem?

[NG_F]

NG_F, how can you be sure the VED caused your problem?

I had not even a slight curvature before and minimal ED so...but I'm not 100% It could have been weird coincidental suseptability from my usage of propecia I guess  

[Old Man]

NG_F:

I agree with Ptolemy. Don't think that the VED did any damage to your penis. Most likely it was the Propecia. There are reports from guys on this forum that the med caused them to develop Peyronies Disease or so they thought.

Suggest that you ask your uro about it and let him/her decide if you have Peyronies Disease or not.

Old Man

[Old Man]

G:

Sorry that I cannot answer your PMs. Your inbox is full and so far you have not deleted any of them. You will have to delete at least a few of your incoming PMs to open your inbox so that you can receive answers, etc.

My post below dated February 15, 2009 states how you delete the PMs in your inbox. So, before you can see my replies to your PMs you have to get your inbox opened up, etc.

Old Man

Edited 2/20/09.

[double eagle]

Almost 6 weeks into my therapy which has consisted of using the 3 cylinder Vacuum Erection Device, not using ANY drugs, no surgery, no creams, no injections and I have progress, SUBSTANTIAL progress.

I did not do any measurements besides the "bend". When I started, I had roughly a 80-90 degrees bend in the top 2 inches of my penis. It was at it's worst at 87 degrees using a protractor. I could not engage in intercourse, because it was difficult to even enter. Of course, I pushed through and did it anyway.

As of now, I have roughly a 10-15 degree bend. I AM MAN AGAIN! I can even masturbate again! The wasting is still present, but since using the pump, I have had other "favorable" effects on my penis. I have noticed a substantial gain in girth in the flaccid state as well as length. No difference in erection length, but the wasting girth is coming back slowly!

Life is good!

[Hawk]

Double Eagle,

So do I understand that, you went from about a 90 degree bend to about a 10 degree bend is 6 weeks

[double eagle]

That would be a correct understanding.

Needless to say, I am absolutely blown away! Wouldn't believe it if I did not live it.

I actually started noticing change about 4 weeks ago.

I will keep you posted if anything changes (let's hope it changes to better).

[Tim468]

Double Eagle, posts like yours make me feel pretty damn good on a Saturday morning!

Tim