VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Old Man]

seaside2:

Really appreciate you posting your positive results from using the VEDs. I just hope that others will step forward and post their results with VED usage.

I highly urge any and all using the VED therapy to please post their results, good or bad. In addition, list what the positive or negative effects one experiences so that others may have the benefit of your experience. Even though each and every case Peyronies Disease is different from any other, it is basically the same category of problem. What works for one may or may not work for another, but our experiences can and will be of help to others. We are all in this together, so let's share our results, good or bad.

Old Man

[LWillisjr]

I realize there are several of you that promote and encourage the use of VED's. But in addition to Old Man's post below, I would like to encourage all those who have had either improvement or negative results from any type of treatment to post on the forum. I think one of the great aspects of this forum is that all treatment types are discussed. I see threads on Meds, VED's, and surgery. Maybe we should also start threads on Shock Wave therapy, stretching devices, etc.

I would think we would want to explore all types of treatment successes and failures. I see lots of good information here. But I also see where many people post a few times, learn about treatment options, and then unfortunately no followup as to the success or failure. Yes there are a few successes, and a few horror stories. But a dozen success stories out of thousands who visit this site doesn't add up statistically for me.

[Angus]

 Here's my success story. After making my own VED's and following the 26 week protocol for almost a year and a half, the curve reduced from 45 degrees to less than 10 degrees. There is also lost size restoration (NOT enlargment) and overall better erections as a result of VED use. From day one we have encouraged guys to post the good and the bad. Many pop on to the forum, get some questions answered and we never hear from them again. Unless this changes and men actually get out of the chair and DO something, then post results, we will be short in the results area. There is a hard enough time getting men to TALK about Peyronies Disease, let alone try a protocol and post results. No, we don't have thousands or even hundreds of men posting statistical results for a given treatment or protocol but there does exist a small but firm representation of men who have had success with VED use. There are already threads for traction and shock wave therapy (ESWT) on the forum... until men participate actively and post results in the appropriate thread, we will only have the smalll number of results posters to base a decision on.  

[terryd]

Here's mine so far been on HOME MADE VED for 8 week's first to week,s i scruded up started over twice but been on 26 week's just started week 6 with over an inch gain in length and girth went from 45 to about30-35 curve but notice when i go from small to bigger tube curve gets a little worse.Wife didn't no i was doing program we talk about it but that was all just talk.Made whoop 3 times since started all 3 times she made comment how big i felt so i told her now she believes it works and so do i.Ijust wont back what i Had.Getting closer

[bodoo2u]

I tend to stay with the smaller tube because it seems that I have better results regarding curvature. Like a lot of the guys that post here, I too notice fuller erections because of the VED. I do notice, however, that my penis is beginning to have this "weathered" appearance. I'm not sure if it's the results of the VED, Peyronies or if it's because I'm in my mid 40s and the it's time for a change of appearance, as in I'm getting old. LOL

[Iceman]

old man - is it necessary to use the biggest cylinder as the middle one allows enough room for me - whats the benefit..

cheers

[Old Man]

boodoo2u:
So you are in your 40s! Gee you are getting old, huh? In less than two months, I will be 79 and counting on many more. Golly, what would I give to be in my 40s again and know what I know now. Enough of the bantering from me- what you are seeing could be the result of the constant stretching of the shaft, etc.
Nothing to worry about. Penises change appearance all the time and there should be little if any concern about it. Just relax and enjoy getting some relief from Peyronies Disease if that is happening for you.

Iceman:

Yes, it is necessary to use the largest cylinder. The 26 week protocol is designed around giving your penis all the advantages of the small, medium and large cylinders. The small one sets up more of a lengthwise pull, the medium sets up a girth pull as well as lengthwise, and the large one sets up the maximum pull for girth and length. So, I recommend to any and all using the three cylinder model VEDs to stay on the protocol. Those using the home made VEDs with three separate individual cylinders should also use the same approach. The protocol, if followed to the letter, can and will produce positive in most cases. Only a very few cases of Peyronies Disease show negative results with the VED therapy.

And, in some cases, the protocol should be repeated if there are negative results from the first 26 week course. I know, I know, it does seem like a waste of time, but believe you me, the VED therapy will work, just have patience.

Old Man

[Angus]

Ah yes, I remember my 40's. Man, I was old then. I don't know what I am now... a fossil I guess  .

Listen to Old Man. Use all the cylinders and follow the schedule. I did the 26 weeks three times in succession to get what I wanted out of it. And it worked. What you get out of this will be directly related to how much work and dedication you put in to it.

Don't worry about weathered appearance. We're not gonna look like teenagers forever. Well, all except for me... I've been told I don't look a day over 60   Think of it as kind of like a '57 Chevy... the paint might be a little weathered and dull but if it runs, that's all that matters  

[Tim468]

I bailed out on using the largest cylinder - I was rattling around in it like a BB in a boxcar.

Also, I tended to get my scrotum pulled up into it, which sucked (or more precisely, sucked on the wrong thing).

Tim

[crank]

Showing modest improvement in 50 days..pumping twice daily..homemade cylinders are 1.25", 1.50", and 1.75" on the i.d...

Some degree of encouragement..

crank

[Old Man]

Crank:

Have patience and keep up the daily schedule. Just remember not to overpump the pressure and "ruin" something. As Dr. Tim says, sometimes when you get lubricant on the scrotum, it has a tendency to get pulled up into the cylinder. If you have the sizing inserts that came with the VED, be sure to use the inner insert only with the smallest cylinder, and the outer (larger insert) with the medium and large cylinder. They are designed to help with getting a seal and to prevent the scrotum from being pulled up into the cylinder. I have had report of guys' testicles being drawn up into the cylinder because they did not use the insert(s).

Good luck and keep the faith, something good will happen for you!

Old Man

[jayhawk]

Old Man,
My question is, if you missed a week due to travel do you start over at week one of the 26 weeks or resume where you left off?
Sorry if this has already been covered!
Jayhawk

[Old Man]

Jayhawk:

For only week off the VED therapy due to travel or whatever, there should be no reason why you would start over at week one. I would suggest that you just pick up at the beginning of the weekly schedule where you left off. If you are off the schedule for two or more weeks, it might be best to start over at week one unless you are out in the area of the larger cylinders weekly schedule where are going for maximum girth and length stretching.

Staying on the schedule is of utmost importance, since any lapse of time can allow the penis to start shrinking back again. Daily stretching provides the best therapy for it, hence the value of nocturnal erections if one is in a natural state of sexual health for example.

Old Man

[jayhawk]

Thanks Old Man,
One other question, While my plak is on the top of the shaft starting close to the tip and going down about one inch, when I use the VED with the small cylinder  I feel more pilling on the underside toward the top. Is this normal? Or is there anything normal about our condition?
Jayhawk  

[Old Man]

Jayhawk:

Yes and no, there is nothing normal about Peyronies Disease. Each and every case is totally different from any other. Some symptoms are similar, but not exactly, each case present different ones.

The small cylinder does confine one's penis quite a bit when using it. Just be careful and do not over extend your penis in this cylinder. Use plenty of lubricant when using a VED, especially the small cylinder.

I am assuming what you mean by pilling is the skin or flesh crimping up or doubling up as you pump. If this is the case, you should not force the penis any further by pumping more vacuum. You should release the pressure while holding the cylinder against your body to keep the seal and let the pressure subside before resuming pumping. You might even have to remove your penis from the cylinder, add some lubricant and inserting it back into the cylinder to resume the exercise session. Above all, do not pump to the point of pain or discomfort.

Hope the above helps, but don't hesitate to ask questions, that is what we are here to do, help each other.

Old Man

[isitgone]

Thanks for this forum. Two weeks ago I purchased the Vitality three tube system from Augusta Medical. I developed ED after Prostatectomy in December of 06. After trying Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, Muse, BiMix, TriMix, only the Trimix could give me a stuffable erection. Then suddenly I lost two inches, had an upward curve of 30 degrees, and an hour glass indention. My plaque appears to be a small amount along the top and I have experienced zero pain. Immediately I went on line and found this forum loaded with info.

I am happy to report (after a visit to my Uro, just to confirm the Peyronies, who only offered surgery) that in two weeks I have eliminated the curve, kept the houglass, added a quarter inch and apparently some girth. I have not tried sex or the bands yet but I am close to trying them.

Questions: At 4 " a lot of base gets sucked in with the midsize tube. Would it be ok to use the smaller outer ring with the midsize tube? Do you think the BiMix /TriMix trauma caused my problem? Would you use the TriMix again?

[aerosick]

Would you use the TriMix again?

(Off Topic, I think...)

Are you using the shots or the gel or?

Billy

[isitgone]

I have been using shots - not as bad as you think when you get results. Never had any curvature and a good six inches before I started them.

[Old Man]

isitgone:

For your information, the penile injections has a history of causing more plaque and nodules with constant use over a long period of time. Read back over some of the threads/topics and you will find cases that have been traced to the injections. In some cases, only one injection can cause plaque to start forming.

Have you given any thought that your present upward curve might have been caused by the injections? IMHO, penile injections should be avoided all possible as there are other means of achieving erection without the invasive needle, etc.

Old Man

[jackp]

itisgone
I agree with Old Man 100%. Never Ever Ever stick a needle in your penis and inject trimix, bimix, or anyothere ED injectable.
The VED 26 week program would be the best thing you can do for yourself now.
I had Peronies in 1995 and uro put me on Vitamin E and Potaba. Curve did correct itself in about 18 months but I lost 20% of length.
I started VED in October 2006 after heart stents that delayed implant surgery. Used it all wrong and caused problems. For about a year and a half before that I tried PGE1, Trimix and all the pills. Little to no help.
October 2007 implant surgery aborted because of corporal fibrosis and the uro penetrated my urethra. Cause of the corporal fibrosis, shots.
October 2007 I found this site and Old Man set me on the right path to use the VED. Using the pump and release method I had no problems with bruising and have gained back almost 1/2 inch of lost size.
I can tell my corporal fibrosis is better because of the VED therapy and now have an appointment at Vanderbilt for a pre op Friday and Implant Surgery scheduled 8/14 by the best doctor in the southeast.
Good Luck, listen to Old Man the VED therapy works!!!!
Jackp

[CHRISTODOULOU]

My brother (sorry he is not computer literate ) has been using soma for two months with no sign of improvement - please please help/advise

[Old Man]

Christodoulou:

You should go the Child Boards section on the Home Page of this forum. The link to the Child Boards is just below the link to the main forum topics.

Look for the VED topic, open up and get your brother to use the 26 week protocol for the Soma three cylinder model VED. It is well explained what to do there.

However, after reading and trying to follow the regimen listed there and you still have questions, just post them here and we will be glad to help you with any.

Old Man

[CHRISTODOULOU]

Old Man that's so kind to reply and so promptly. Sorry about my reply delay as our hours are different from yours as my brother is in UK and I am in Cyprus

Just spoken with him and he is using Soma therapy ED (without the 'V') 26 week protocol ''the new generation vacuum therapy'' 3 cylinder, supplied with instructions although I will also forward those on the Child Boards

His is the same as the Soma 3 cylinder model VED on the Childs Board, isn't it?

He has decided to be patient and continue

He asks ''once problem corrected satisfactorily do users stop or continue using the treatment therapy and if so for how long''? Does Soma really have approx 90% success rate as some UK doctors say

Thanks Old Man  

[Old Man]

Christodoulou:

Yes, I would recommend that he continue using the VED therapy in some form after completing the 26 week schedule. That is, provided he has seen satisfactory results from the first 26 week course. If he has not gotten the results he wanted or needed, then he should repeat the course again and again until he is satisfied with the results or that he can not get any further correction, etc.

I still use the three cylinder VED several times a week not, just for maintenance of the gains made with the VED therapy years ago. Most of the time it is 3 times per week every other day. I have not lost any dimensions by using this schedule. The old saw or adage "if you don't use it, you lose it" will be the rule after VED therapy if some routine of VED exercises is not maintained.

So, you should advise him to continue with the schedule and be patient. Peyronies Disease usually comes on slowly and most likely will go away the same way. As far as I know, the 90% success rate has been accepted by most uros in the USA. However, there does not appear to be any study done to back up that figure. The old Osbon VED company told me they expected to see the 90% rate with guys using their VEDs.

Hope the above helps for your brother.

Old Man

[Iceman]

oldman - i am trying to visualise how the VED works. Im just a little unclear - is there a scar , very much like a scar on your hand or leg after an accident in the flesh of your penis. And is this scar inflexible hence the bending and the VED pulls on this scar to try and remould your penis back into shape. So by constant repetition the scar is somehow moved - see my unclarirty here.....and does this scar turn into hard plaque after a period of time and by using the VED this somehow negates this hardening process??

[Ticker]

After a car accident in July of 07,I developed a sharp impact to my groin area from a coffee mug.Aug or Sept.07 I started to notice a difference occurring with my erections.Trying to avoid the situation,my wife spoke up one evening and said something about it.I immediately went to a Eur outside my area because of my embarrassment.He diagnosed me with Peyronies and recommended Vitamin E.To try to sum up my story,I have been to the Cleveland Clinic and they would not recommend anything but wait till the pain is gone (12-18 months) then surgery.Well thats not in my plans at all.I am currently taking Integral E 400 in the morning along with 3 or 4 Neprinol capsules(12-16 daily) I rub Topical Verapamil 15% twice a day since Feb 08 once in the morning and in the evening before bed.I take 1 Maxi Gamma 500 at night.I am in my 11th week of the 26 week VED plan.I have seen some improvement but not what I wish I could see.My wife has also commented that things seem much better with this approach.I have read to much about Neprinol in these threads.I have been reading these threads since Jan.08 and I finally logged in to share my experiences.Thank you.

[Old Man]

Iceman:

You have just about described what the VED does for Peyronies Disease in your post. Plaque, nodules and other symptoms brought on by whatever reason results in the bends, curves and distortions of one's penis is basically what Peyronies Disease causes. The theory behind VED usage is to first supply a good blood flow into and out of the penile corporal chambers. Nocturnal erections during life before Peyronies Disease did this for you. But since Peyronies Disease and other reasons nocturnal erections are no longer produced, one needs to supplement or augment erections by using the VED.

Another way to look at it this: the daily stretching of the scars, plaque and nodules over a period of time slowly breaks down the formation or further development. It also causes the corporal chambers to be engorged more fully than natural erections due to the higher pressure exerted by the vacuum.

So bottom line is that constant stretching the scar tissue and plaque helps reduce the body's tendency to "shrinking" that portion of one's penis. It helps keep the penis healthy by drawing more blood in than would normally due to the restriction of the Peyronies Disease symptoms.
Careful use of the VED therapy over a period of time usually results in a better overall situation for one's penis and can get rid of the Peyronies Disease symptoms.

The above is just my considered opinion based on my personal experience and that of others that I have worked with in VED therapy.

Old Man

[Angus]

Welcome Ticker. I'm glad you are here and posting. It sounds like you've done your homework and are on a good track. Be patient and follow the protocol with the VED. Good things are happening for you. Continue patiently with the therapy as it does take a commitment of time.  

[CHRISTODOULOU]

Thanks Old Man for all your help. He says that you reaffirmed his thinking and he will continue with the schedule, using Soma Correct Therapy and be patient and is prepared to, as you say, 'repeat the course again and again' to reach satisfied/needed/wanted/best achievable correction

Thanks again

Christodoulou

[Old Man]

Christodoulou:

You are quite welcome! That is what this forum is all about, helping each other handle this horrible mess called Peyronies Disease and its related problems.

Old Man

[Tim468]

Welcome Ticker,

You seem to be doing the things that work, although not many here swear by Neprinol (although they often swear about it's price!).

It is gratifying to hear of your wife's comments. My wife said roughly the same thing - when I am convinced things are getting worse, she says she cannot see any difference, and when she says it feels straighter or bigger or longer, my feelings of success grow (I was going to saw "swell"...). At any rate, keep up the hard work - you are doing the right things - and waiting is not one of them.

Tim

[Steve]

Old Man and others,

I had an observation today that I thought I'd pass on for comments.  When doing my VED excercise (in the middle tube), I noticed that the length that was produce seems to be entirely due to the tube being pressed deeper into my abdomen.  I made sure my body didn't move, and made note of where tip of the Glans was on a table.  I then pumped up, and noticed that the tip hadn't actually moved more than 1/4". I'm guessing that this is an indication of the loss of 'stretchability' in the penis due to the Peyronies Disease?  Any thoughts???

PS, I'm having trouble getting Notifications, so if I don't answer replys in a timely manner, that's why.

[Old Man]

Steve:

The middle cylinder lets your penis expand in girth more than in the small one. This why the protocol calls for using all three cylinder per the protocol. Each week presents a different set of pressures being applied to separate portions of one's shaft. The overall pattern of using the three cylinders gives the shaft a general workout all the way from being stretched further in the small cylinder to letting it fully expand in the large one.

The constant daily pattern should present the best approach to VED usage. However, in your case, you do not seem to be getting as much accomplished as others with the therapy. I know that at this point you are beginning to wonder if you will ever see any positive results. Yes, you already have gotten positive results in that you have caused your penis to realize that it can be stretched and pulled to allow better blood flow. I would strongly urge you to continue the exercises, but maybe modify the procedure you are using in some way to allow for a different method, etc.

You might would want to try the "milking action" as I mentioned to you earlier. I would be glad to help you with developing a sub procedure using it for you if you want me too.

Old Man

[Iceman]

oldman -

been on the VED for 6 weeks now and I feel that there is more stretch - it actually feels like a relief when i stretch it - almost like getting a massage for a back or neck injury - its actually like a big relief - is this normal??

[crank]

Steve:

I'm having the same experience with my small cylinder ..the loss of elasticity limits the stretch..at that point the negative pressure pushes the cylinder backward into the groin because it can't pull the glans further into the tube..

The Boston University website reported that one-third of the patients showed calcification ,as I recall, in about 2400 patients..I think that's where I am...the penis is the most elastic body part we have (expanding 3-5 times relaxed size) and when that elasticity is lost, we get the bends..

The larger question is, will VED therapy improve the elasticity ?? that one is up in the air in my mind..and you have been pumping a long time now without any change..I could be in the same boat..

crank

[Old Man]

Crank and Iceman:

I really don't believe that either of you have been using the VED long enough to see major benefits yet. The constant daily stretching can and will help with the elasticity of the tissue. You just have to keep up the exercise therapy and maybe modify your procedure a bit to help with the pulling back of the VED into your groin area.

What I do when the VED wants to push/pull back into the groin area is this: with my left hand I hold the entire assy. tight and out from my body while applying a moderate amount of pressure. This will keep it from drawing backwards somewhat. Then after the amount of time I want to hold the pressure occurs, I hit the release button and let the entire assy. ease back somewhat without releasing all the pressure. This takes a little practice, but it will eliminate the pressure against the groin and at the same time applies more pressure on the penis.

Another tip that I use when using the small cylinder is to add extra lube as far out into the cylinder as I can reach. Also, I apply a little extra lube to the head portion of my penis. Using both inserts, I start the cylinder down over head while holding down the release button on the pump. At the same I push my penis into the cylinder and jockey the assy. around a bit to help the penis slide in further. After it goes in as far as it will, then I add vacuum to help pull it on in further. Work slowly and do any adjusting you need to get as much of your penis into cylinder during the cycles of pump up and release.

Once I have started the pump up and release cycles, I do the holding procedure stated above. You just have to experiment with using the VED for any tricks that work for you. Bottom line though, you must have patience and not try to expect results too fast. It does take time to see good returns.

BTW, some guys see good results faster than others due to the differences in their Peyronies Disease symptoms.

Regards, Old Man

[Angus]

   What Old Man says is absolutely true. Hold the small cylinder with the left hand (right hand if you're left handed) and push the cylinder away from your body as you pump slowly. You will have to equal the force that is pulling the cylinder into your pubic bone. As the penis reaches erection status it cannot stretch lengthwise any more and the pulling force is transferred to the tube that has no where to go except towards your body. Go VERY EASY with pumping at this point and prepare to stop pumping because your penis is telling you it cannot stretch lengthwise any more. This is a good time to stop creating more vacuum; just hold that cylinder so it can't push on your body, hold the vacuum for several seconds, then release. You may be tempted to apply that "extra" pump or two to see if the penis will stretch that "extra half inch" you've always dreamed about. DON'T. Stop right there as the extra vacuum won't speed up the therapy and will eventually cause edema of the skin, swelling, redness and all sorts of bad things. Keep in mind you are NOT enlarging anything... you are trying to re-coup any shrinkage that has taken place and improve blood flow to the penis. Moderate vacuum with a steady schedule is ALWAYS the best approach as you cannot speed things up with outrageous overpumping. Stay away from that at all costs.  

[crank]

Hi Old Man and Angus:

I just did a pumping exercise following your advice to hold the cylinder slightly away from the body...It worked great..I'm still pumping at 140-160 mm, so I don't think I will harm the tonk at that pressure, but I am going slow on that..

Many thanks for the help..

You guys are always encouraging and I know that it takes a lot of time and endurance to change things..I'm hanging in for the duration..

crank

[Old Man]

Crank:

Just a foot note to Angus's post. You know what he means when he says small cylinder is that if your are using three separate cylinders, etc. If my memory serves me right, you have the three cylinder Augusta model and of course the small cylinder is nested inside the medium and large cylinders. So yours will be contained altogether, all three nested, etc.

Old Man

[LWillisjr]

Crank,
Just to be clear....   the bend from the Peyronies Disease is not caused directly by calcifed plaque. In my case, the plaque formed and the bend occured almost overnight. While the plaque might be slightly elastic, it certainly is not as elastic as the tunica, and therefore the famous Peyronies Disease bend.

One thing that actaully concerned me is that my specialist told me that.... over time, the plaque would then further calcify, making it even harder to treat.

Let me state, that I'm not against VED therapy, but for some of you guys who are not seeing any improvement from the therapy, if it were my penis I would be trying something different. The calcificatio of the plaque is something I really wanted to avoid. Maybe I'm over-reacting.

[Tim468]

crank,

That phenomenon is real - if you align the tip of the penis visually with something beyond it (like the edge of the bathtub in my case), you can judge lengthening better than by measuring advancement down the tube itself.

The compression of the fat pad is simply part of getting to the final pressure in my case. The amount of vacuum required to pull the tube tightly against the body wall is less than that required to maximally stretch my penis - so this means that only after the tube is firmly against my pubic bone does it feel like the final bit of stretching of the penis occurs.

For a middle aged guy - any guy - losing 20 pounds around the waist is a better way to add 1-2 cm of length to the penis!

Also, I do not think that calcification is required to make the plaque area hard to stretch out. In all cases (all cases with a bend) the tunica is tighter and less stretchy, only in some cases is it calcified. As calcification is a late sign of disease, it is true that it is harder to expect reversal. OTOH, Lue's first report on Pentox reported reversal of calcification.

Tim

[Iceman]

tim246 - have you got that report from dr lue???

[Tim468]

I have it somewhere. I googled Lue, Peyronie's and calcification and saw it. But I saw something better too. Lue has written a review article that is excellent.

http://knol.google.com/k/tom-lue/peyronies-disease-acquired-deformity-of/YjC9Puq6/B9bMvg#

What a find!

[Steve]

Old Man,
Yes, I am trying out what I interpret as your 'milking' excercise, following my 10 reps of the 'normal' protocol.  I've added this extra in the last 4 months or so.  If you have any further suggestions, I'd love to hear them because so far, mine has proved to be one of those 'stubborn' cases
One observation is that there is some discomfort around the base of the penis when milking with the smallest and largest tubes.  With the middle tube, the extra pressure/stretch is much more gradual.  I attribute this to the 'uniform' ID when using the middle tube (I have the newer sizing/sealing ring that extends down to the top of the middle tube -- no gap).  When I use the smallest tube, the combined sizing rings result in a small gap from the end of the small ring to the top of the small tube.  This results in a short section with a larger ID.  Likewise, when I use the largest cylinder with the normal sizing ring, the ring is a smaller ID than the largest tube.  In both of these cases, the differing ID's cause a bit of discomfort when they pass over the plaque located at the base of the shaft, so I'm much more careful when 'milking' with the smllest or largest cylinders.

Tim,
My thinking about the tubes 'pulling' into the groin mirror yours.  As the tube(s) are pulled into the body and press into the pubic bone, that would present a natural obstruction to further movement of the tubes, and allow the remaining force to be applied to stretching the penis.  In addition, I would think that this would expose more of the penile shaft to the vacuum force.  This in my opinion would be important if some or all of the plaque is located near the base of the shaft (as some of it is in my case -- results from the 12 Verapamil Injections I'm convinced).

Steve

[Old Man]

Steve:

The milking action can and will help with the VED exercises, but just be carefull not to aggravate the plaque/nodules by running the inserts over that area. Refrain from doing that if possible when milking the shaft, etc.

Also, vary the amount of vacuum pressure you use while doing the milking exercises. That worked best for me over an extended period of time.

Old Man

[Quinn]

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum. Firstly I'd like to say what a wonderful site this is..it has really helped me to come to terms with my condition and enabled me to take the all important step of seeking help from my Urologist.

I have had Peyronies for over 10 years and currently have a bend of 40-45 degrees towards the left. Following consultation with my urologist he suggested a VED, which I have now been using for the last 3 days. Initially I was pumping up to the point of discomfort, but after reading the advice on the forum I have stopped doing this. I would be grateful, however, if one or two questions could kindly be answered

1) I was advised to use one cylinder only by a rep from the Soma company that provided my device(the "B" or middle sized one). I subsequently have no other cylinders and wonder whether I would still gain therapy from the 26 protocol?

2) My pump is manual and I am currently applying 2 pumps every 10-15 seconds until fully erect whereby I then hold for 20 seconds before releasing the pressure. This appears to be the advice that was given to me..unless of course I have misunderstood it. Should I continue with this regimen or adopt one whereby I pump continuously until fully erect then release after 10-20 seconds?

I'd appreciate any advice given. I wish you all the best and will keep you up to date on any developments

[Old Man]

Quinn:

Welcome to the forum. You have come to the right place for help with your Peyronies Disease problem. Many of us on the forum are using the VED therapy protocol that was originally published by the Augusta Medical Systems for the old Soma Correct VED. We have adopted that protocol and it is posted on the Child Boards of the main forum. If you have the one that came with your VED, you can follow it. However if you only have the B medium cylinder it precludes you from using the 26 week schedule unless you purchase the A, small cylinder and the C, large cylinders. If you desire to do so they are available from this company on line:  www.fitzz.com

Visit their home page and look for the sexual health link in the left margin and it will take you to the page where you can see the various items they have for sale. They carry the Augusta Medical line of VEDs. We can help you with this if you need it. I have no clue as to why the rep only gave you the one cylinder. It might have been due to the fact that the Soma Correct VED was taken off the market for Peyronies Disease therapy. The Somaerect replaced it, but was limited by FDA for ED therapy only. Who knows??

The schedule of pumping that you were told to do is not one that I would recommend for you. Waiting so long between pumps does allow for the best scenario. Most of us are using a different approach. We usually pump very slowly, but faster than you were told and when we reach a comfortable state of vacuum, we hold it for about 10 to 15 seconds, release the pressure and while holding the seal against our bodies, we repeat the cycle for about 15 minutes for each pumping session. Two of these sessions per day can be done with no problem

You should visit the VED thread that compiles many posts about the VED and its useage. It covers just about anything you would need to know about VED therapy. It has the 26 week protocol listed in the beginning of the topic. It shows one schedule for those using three separate cylinder VEDs they made themselves and one schedule for the purchased three cylinder model VEDs. After you have read through it and still have questions, just let it be known and we can get you answers.

Good luck to you and again welcome to the best Peyronies Disease forum on the web.

Old Man

[toto]

Great site. I went to the fitzz website and I want to make sure I order the right product. First of all, I think the "Vitality Plus 3 Cylinder Vacuum Therapy" is the one I want? Secondly, if it is in fact then what kind of pump should I get, battery or hand? Thanks in advance and what a wonderful site.

[Old Man]

toto:

Yes, the unit you stated in your post is the correct one you need to purchase. I would highly recommend the manual powered unit which is listed for the $229.99 price. I believe that shipping and handling is included in that price also. The battery model unit costs more and is really not necessary unless you have some disability that precludes using both hands.

Should you decide to go ahead and purchase this unit, the 26 week protocol for using it for Peyronies Disease therapy is listed in the Child Boards section of the main forum. Just sign in, open the Home Page, and look for the link to the boards that is listed just below the link to the main forum topics. There are two protocols listed there, one for the bought three cylinder model VEDs and one for those guys who made their own VEDs which has separate cylinders that do not nest together like the bought versions.

If you need further help, just let us know. Welcome to the forum and sorry that you had to join the ranks of the Peyronies Disease clan!!

Old Man

[CHRISTODOULOU]

Hi Old Man

I trust you are well

My brother asks if it is necessary or advisable to take vitamin D while doing Soma therapy which leads me on to ask your opinion on combined treatments as per Ticker's approach posted on: July 23, 2008, 10:06:14 AM

Is the advised optimum treatment for Peyronies actually a combined treatment approach of Soma/VED therapy and something else and if so what is it?

Thanks

Christodoulou