VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[getting_there_in_oregon]

Ptolemy... your situation sounds real similar to mine. though when it happened to me i didn't know what it was... i'd never heard about Peyronies. i was, like many of us i'm sure, scared beyond belief. it was maybe almost a year before i even found out about peyronies. the first year all i knew to do was vitamin E. i ordered some of those enzymes like nattokinese later. i'm not sure if they helped... they didn't hurt. after a while my curve suddenly got less and my penis regained a little strength but since then hasn't changed much. very little in the last couple years. i've done little things, and finally become sexually active with some regularity, and less trouble then i expected. fear is the biggest hurdle.

now i'm thinking it's time for another round. i'm looking ot get a VED. and i'm open to any other suggestions! so send them on! my money flow has looked up so i'm down to order herbs, vitamins, whatever.

thanks again guys,

casey

[Tim468]

MY bias is that a hand held pump that is attached to the cylinder will cause movement as you do the pumping action. This seems intuitively to be not as good as a separate hand pump connected by a length of flexible tubing. To do that, I bought very high quality cylinders from a vendor and a hand pump from a science supply shop (at half the price of a porn or VED associated pump).

The pump was under $30, and the cylinder was about $60. I now have five cylinders, but I use primarily just three of them.

Links to the vendors mentioned are in one of my previous posts. Do a search of my posts using "VED", "cylinder", "Cost" and that should get you reduced down to whatever I posted that has the info in it.

Tim

[Tim468]

Here is a porno site (not safe for work) that sells quality cylinders: http://www.jennasloveshop.com/clear-acrylic-penis-pump-cylinders_246.html

Tim

[Angus]

Links to the vendors mentioned are in one of my previous posts. Do a search of my posts using "VED", "cylinder", "Cost" and that should get you reduced down to whatever I posted that has the info in it.

Tim

  Tim, your post about vendors is in the highlights of VED thread in the child boards and the links are active (stockroom.com, etc.). The text and links are about 1/4 of the way down from the top of the post.  Angus

[Hawk]

Guys,

Not to do double work but this information needs multiple references.

The information you two have supplied is so much under demand that I made a single topic of the information in our forum's Reference Library.  https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,642.msg12305.html#msg12305

[ocelot556]

Will a VED help to alleviate the problems associated with fibrosis in the corpora? I understand the mechanism for correcting the bend, but will the VEDs action help corpora-related scarring, or help a venous leak?

[jackp]

Ocelot
According to the Uro's I have talked to using a VED 3-4 times a week will help keep the corpora's healthy. A word of caution do not over do the pressure it will cause erosion on the skin, been there done that.
Have you tried the pills for erections, V, C or L?
Have you had a Doppler for Venous Leakage?
With a history of Peronies do not do the shots for erections. I did and have become 100% impotent from the fibrosis they caused. Use a VED and constriction bands for sex or consider an implant. Do not use the constriction bands for 3-4 times a week therapy.
If possible get your Dr to write a prescription for a VED and have one custom fit. They are costly but work much better than the OTC ones.
Jackp

[pal-31]

Jack,

What do you mean by custom fit VED ? i am in the process of ordering one by a prescription.

Thanks in advance,
Pal

[Old Man]

Pal:

I am not sure what Jackp means by a custom fit either. There are a number of VEDs on the market. Some are medical quality (kind of pricey, but very good), the over the counter type and even the "sex" toy models.

In my therapy, I have used three different models of VEDs. The first one that was prescribed for me was an Osbon Classic manual model which had a separate cylinder with a hose connecting it to the pump. The next model was an Osbon Esteem unit which was self contained once the cylinder was mated to the pump. Later, I acquired an Augusta Soma Correct model (the one withdrawn from the market) which has the three separate cylinders. It came with a therapy regimen consisting of 26 weeks of therapy based on using all three cylinders by their schedule. The Soma Correct model was replaced with the Somaerect VED which is marketed only for ED problems. However, it can be used for Peyronies Disease with modifications to allow for sizing.

If I were to recommend a VED for you, it would be one of medical quality that would allow for sizing of the cylinder to make a good fit around the penile shaft for the therapy. Careful use of VEDs have benefited many guys on this forum both for ED and Peyronies Disease. In my case, I depend solely on the VED for erections due to a radical retropubic prostatectory way back in 1995. I use the restrictor rings to hold up the erection after pumping it up.

If you are on Medicare or have good health insurance, they may pick up part of the cost of a VED prescribed by a physician for erectile dysfunction. So check out that option before deciding to order the VED. If I can help further, feel free to ask.

Old Man

[pal-31]

Old Man,

Thanks for your help again. You have shared some great information with me on the forum and in PM's. I appreciate your thoughts and information.

Thanks again,
Pal

[jackp]

Custom Fit;
What I mean is that the Dr. wrote a prescription for the VED and made an appointment for me to meet the company rep in his office.
The rep went over my choices of brands and sizes of cylinders and restriction bands. I tried them in the office to see which worked best for me.
The one that was the best for me was the Augusta Medical and the mid size restriction ring.
I had a Rejoyn that I purchased over the net and it was not doing the job.
That is why I called it a custom fit.
Jackp

[pal-31]

Jackp,

Thanks for the information. I got an RX for the VED but no appointment to see a rep. I am working with the vendor now to purchase one, but we are waiting on the insurance company to see what they will cover.

Pal

[Old Man]

Pal31:

FYI, some uro groups have a representative from the VED makers that come to their offices and personally talk to the patients that are RXd VEDs. I had forgotten about that when the subject of custom fit came up. Other groups do not have access to having company reps visit their office and just simply RX the VED and let the patient find the source, etc. I guess it based on how large the group of uros is and what their office policies are, etc.

Anyway, most VED makers do have technicians to help out with questions and problems as they arise with patients.

Old Man

[meanmrmustard]

I just bought the SomaCorrect Xtra and after my first two sessions, I have the following questions:

1. is there any indication that you shouldn't use the VED when you have varicocele? I have varicoceles on both sides, and kind of felt a light, but burning sensation in that area after pumping the first time, maybe due to the pressure applied to the scrotum in order to achieve/maintain a seal ...?

edit: I realized my second question is answered by Old Man in the "VED Highlights"-Compilation here https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,439.0.html
2. the VED came with cylinders in three different sizes, however, I'm a bit surprised by their small size. pumping with the smallest one feels a little uncomfortable, with my erected penis touching the cylinder on all sides, even when using the medium-sized cylinder, the (erected) glans are directly touched by the cylinder to a heavy extent, is that OK?

[Old Man]

MMM:

I know of no reason that varicoceles should interfere with VED usage. However, the VED should be kept as close to the body as possible when first starting to pump up so that the scrotum and any adjacent skin cannot be pulled up into the cylinder mouth. Later, after you have mastered the best pumping situation for your own situation, you can move the VED up and down the shaft to establish the milking action that helps with the regimen.

Strongly urge you to stay with the 26 week regimen that is posted somewhere on the VED thread section of the child boards compilation, etc. If you cannot find it, let me have your email address and I will email you a copy. It can be obtained from this website: www.vacuumtherapy.org.  (I am sure this address is correct - if not let me know.)

Now about the three cylinders and their tightness, etc. They are purposesly designed to confine the penis as much as possible in order to keep it straight while pumping vacuum pressure. However, you must use plenty of lubricant to allow for a very slippery condition so the penis can slide easily especially into the A or small cylinder. If the A cylinder is too tight after trying to use for several days, just simply leave that one off and continue the regimen using only the B and C cylinders. BTW, just be sure you do not experience any pain or major discomfort while using the VED. If you do, try to find the cause and take corrective action.

Special caution note:  You should be extremely careful not to injury the varicocele(s) as you may develop a major problem with them.

I will be glad to answer any and all questions you may have about the VED or the regimen. Best to you and happy pumping!!!

Old Man

[jackp]

I have been back to using the VED for about 2 weeks now. A week ago I started using "old man"s routine.
I have not been able to measure girth but I have gained 1/4" in length. Girth feels fuller.
I have to go in the hospital Thursday for back surgery and will like to see if the gain holds up until I can get back to the routine.
Jackp

[Samwise]

Hi everyone, I’m new to this forum but I have been browsing them for quite a while. I plan to stick around here for a long time so hugs for all the guys out there with crippled penises.

Moving along rapidly… I decided to order the somaerect system. I got in contact with Augusta Medical and they referred me to the Australian supplier. After a long 6 weeks of waiting for the product to arrive, I received the satchel and to my dismay found the response II system waiting for me inside. So I called up the Aussie supplier again and they told me they don’t sell the somaerect. Never have. So according to them it must be a mistake on my part even though I’ve been asking for the soma all along  . So after all this waiting I am left with a relatively useless product (from a Peyronies viewpoint), a bunch of wasted cash, and the anger and frustration that comes with it.

So, I am thinking of turning the response II system into a three cylinder arrangement with a bit of modifying. Do you think this could be done? I know some guys have made their own VED’s so it seems possible. I can also return the product, but then I wouldn’t know where to turn next as I am not aware of any three cylinder VED’s available in Australia. Does anybody know of a way to get a three cylinder VED over here?

Any advice on the subject would be much appreciated, as I’m sick of waiting and want to get started on the treatment right away.

Cheers,

Sam

[Tim468]

My two cents..


I would return it for a refund because of the duplicity in the ordering process, and then I would order a good cylinder or three from a good vendor of VEDs with a cheap hand pump. I assume that international ordering is fine, though who knows, there may be some Australian law forbidding the importation of sex toys (there is in Texas, I think).

Search my previous posts or a summary in this post on how to make or get one cheaply that works quite well:

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,642.msg12305.html#msg12305

Also, the medical grade devices may be of value if you are looking for help in maintaining an erection during sex. The base is made differently on some of them to allow for a constriction ring to easily slide off and onto the base of the penis to stay there, trapping blood in the penis to allow sex (we get complaints from our partners when we try to wear the cylinder during sex!!). But other than that issue, I would not bother with a medical grade device at all.

Tim

[Old Man]

Samwise:

Also, my two cents. I strongly recommend that you contact Augusta Medical again, make your email/post to the attention of Louis. He is the sales and marketing division supervisor. Give him all the particulars of what happened and explain that you want the three cylinder model and not the Response II. He should be able to help you with returning the II. The II is a good unit for erections, but not especially good for Peyronies Disease therapy. It will help some, but not to the degree that you desire that a VED can or will do for you.

I am sure that the sales rep can get you to the right place for the Somaerect. The Soma Correct has been taken off the market so you will not be able to find one of those anywhere unless some one has old stock, etc.

Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help. As Tim says, you can make your own using his and Angus's method that is explained elsewhere on the forum.

Old Man

[Hawk]

Old Man can correct me if I am wrong since he knows more about this than I do, but since you may have missed this point: The Soma correct technically has been taken off the market but in fact it was just renamed to the Soma Erect.  In any case, even if I have the name wrong, the same 3 cylinder model exists under a different name and without any advertised claim of treating Peyronies Disease (a legal wrangle).

I too would follow Old Man's advice and return it.  You might let Augusta know that you discussed it on this forum and many of us are interested in how responsive they are to your complaint.

After all, it is their product, and it was them that referred you to that supplier.

[Old Man]

Hawk:

Yes, you are technically right about the Soma Correct being reincarnated as the Somaerect. Due to the wrangle with FDA, Augusta simply slightly modified the sizing inserts and got the approval to sell the VED as an ED unit. The Correct model had the 26 week protocol with it along with other media about how to use it. The Erect model does not have this protocol with the package.

I still have the old Correct manual model and got the updated sizing insert from Augusta and the problem of pinching was eliminated for good. As far as I know there is no basic difference between the models. I currently use the old Osbon Esteem as well as the newer Correct model as modified.

Old Man

[Samwise]

Thank you all for your kind words and advice. I have taken your recommendations and will be returning the product. I am going to get in contact with Augusta Medical again as Old Man suggested, and see what they can do about fixing this mix-up. I'll let you know how it goes.

Sam

[Old Man]

Samwise:

Have not heard anything from you on the forum lately. Bring us to date on what has happened with your Response II VED. Let us know if you got the problems solved.

Old Man

[vpavl]

Samwise:

Have not heard anything from you on the forum lately. Bring us to date on what has happened with your Response II VED. Let us know if you got the problems solved.

Old Man

I've Peyrony desease 20 years,I've begun VED now,

[Old Man]

vpavl:

I am a bit confused by your post. My post was addressed to Samwise whom I have been working with toward getting a proper VED for him in his country. He was furnished the wrong VED when he ordered it and I have been working with him to get the right VED.

Are you saying that you are using the Response II and if so, let the forum know how it is working out for you.

Old Man

[Hawk]

I think it is a case of Vpavl making the mistake of many members and not reading the entire "Read Me First" area.  One topic there is "How to Post" https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,316.0.html

[getting_there_in_oregon]

  so i got my VED today! pretty stoked.

first off. i have NO trouble getting erections. my peyronies is the sort from an injury - bending the penis while it was erect, leaving me with an hourglass sorta effect. it's skinnier in the middle.

so. should i use the rings things to go around the base of the penis to keep you erect? i'm thinking not to... because that's for 'erectile disfuction' which is NOT my problem.
i'm assuming what makes a VED good for peyronies is that the vacuum effect pulls outward, maybe pulling apart some of the area bound together by scar tissue?

am i getting this right?

thanks! getting there.

[Old Man]

Getting there:

By all means, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT, use the retainer rings for Peyronies Disease therapy with your VED. Those are used strictly to hold up erections induced by the VED for sex. You could cause extremely more damage to your penis if you do use them, so don't.

Again, you are cautioned not to use excessive vacuum pressure while doing the Peyronies Disease therapy exercises. Develop whatever procedure you wish to use for your therapy, but again, DO NOT OVERPUMP THE VACUUM PRESSURE! Follow your routine on a regular basis each and every day to produce the best results.

We are here to help each other with Peyronies Disease problems, so if you have questions about VED usage, by all means post them so we can help. There are many guys using VED therapy and each and every case is different. Any one of us may have a procedure that would help someone else, etc.

Feel free to ask for help, don't just go it alone.

Old Man

[Samwise]

Howdy people! Just thought I'd let you know how things have turned out with the little product mix-up I experienced. Well, I'm very, very happy. Sorry about the slow response, but I have recently been on holidays and did not have access to a computer. When I got back yesterday I called the Australian supplier and we agreed on returning the Response II for a full refund. Some of you may have read the small update I added to my last post – it has now been deleted because the problem has been fixed. Shortly afterwards I checked my emails and Augusta Medical had sent me one (two, actually) which explained that I could in fact keep the Response II and that they could sell me the additional cylinders that come with the SomaErect. The additional cylinders fit right inside the standard cylinder that comes with the Response vacuum. In fact, the only difference between the Response II and the SomaErect (function-wise I presume) is the additional cylinders. So, luckily for me the Response vacuum had not been sent away yet and I cancelled the return.

In the email I received from Augusta Medical, they asked me if they could get my physician's information so that they could get their distributors in Australia to get in contact with him. This would allow them to offer something new to the distributor and would help other people suffering from Peyronies Disease in Australia, which I think is great. I would urge any Aussies that are reading this to spread the word on such products and Peyronies treatments in general to create a greater awareness of the options available – and those that should be made available – in this country.

I would also like to give a big thankyou to Old Man for all his efforts and support in helping me get this sorted out. He is kind man and a real gentleman. If anyone has any doubts about his status in this forum, they should be dismissed as he is only here to help.

Also, if anyone is interested, Augusta Medical have been very kind and helpful in this. 10 out of 10.

Sam

[Ptolemy]

The 26 week protocol calls for one week on each cylinder (small, medium, large) over a 3 week period and repeating the 3 week sequence until week 23 where it calls for the large continually. Now that I have started Traction in addition to VED therapy, the small cylinder (promoting length) seems redundant. I'm thinking I simply should be rotating between medium and large. Thoughts?

[shrout]

I've found that common or garden hair conditioner acts as a pretty good lubricant, if that's any help to anyone.  Cheap as chips, as they say.

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

My recommendation to you is that you should stay on the prescribed cylinder schedule as shown in the protocol. It was developed around some studies that show it to be a viable one. Skipping the small cylinder may or may not preclude further development of length. Using both traction and the VED as the same time IMHO could be redundant based on how you use the protocol, etc.

My experience has taught me that staying with one routine of exercises for an extended period produces better results than  what I call intermittent usage, etc.

So, bottom line, I strongly urge you to stay with the prescribed schedule of cylinders.

Old Man

[Angus]

  The small cylinder serves a distinct purpose with its confinement and longitudinal stretching combined with an erection. It provides an exercise that is different when compared to traction. I second the recommendation to not skip the small cylinder.  

[Ptolemy]

Angus and Old Man, I appreciate the advice and will follow.

[pal-31]

Hi Guys,

I have a quick question about the VED I bought the Soma which comes with 3 cylinders. When I opened the box and the case that it came with it. I found that the 2 smaller cylinders A and B if you hold them out and look at them are a little cloudy as compared to the big "C" cylinder. I mean the way the plastic looks just by holding it up and looking at it. Is that expected because the way they are wrapped may be. They would not resell a return, would they ? The box was closed and looked new.

Thanks in advance
Pal

[Old Man]

Pal-31:

The Soma Correct that I have also looks kind of clouded when you hold A and B cylinders up to the light. Also, they present a slight tinge of lavender under certain light conditions.

If the box was sealed or appeared to have never been opened, you can be asssured there would be no used material in the package. As far as I know, when a product is returned to them, they inspect it and then destroy it as FDA would not allow them to sell used equipment.

The large C cylinder on my unit presents a totally clear look with only a slight tinge as mentioned above. I am not totally sure of this, but the cylinders are supposed to be made of Lexan and sometimes this material does present different hues under different lights.

Hope this helps, but if you want further asssurance, just call Augusta and ask them about it.

Old Man

[pal-31]

Thanks Old Man, as always. I will check with Augusta just to make sure, but I think I already know the answer.

Pal

[pal-31]

Does anybody have any tips on when to stop pumping. I know this may be a tricky thing to explain and I know to stop if there is any pain. However, when does one know the right time to stop. This is for the Peyronies treatment protocol.

Thanks,
Pal

[Angus]

  Stop pumping vacuum when you have an erection that feels full and the skin is starting to tighten. You will see this and feel this. You'll learn to stop pumping before this threshold happens. Pumping past that point will produce puffy, swollen skin and redness which will tell you that you've "over-worked" things, so you want to avoid that at all costs. Regular VED use with moderate vacuum is the ticket; that's what worked for me.  

[Old Man]

Pal31:

Another rule to follow in pumping is this:  pump slowly, pump a few cycles and hold the pressure and you will feel the blood flowing in after each pump. Waiting between cycles will allow the blood to "learn" a flow rate, etc. Practice makes perfect is the rule of thumb in almost everything, so go slowly, let your penis develop a "feel" for the added pressure since it probably has not been inflated as much as the VED does for it.

Above all, be patient, take it easy as Angus says and you will see better results than if you just pump up until the old tool feels like popping open!!

Old Man

[pal-31]

Thanks guys

I was just trying not over pump, but I think in doing so I did not pump enough. So I thought I ask.

BTW, do you guys follow the protocol of 10 cycles of pump and release ?

Thanks again,
Pal

[Ptolemy]

Regular VED use with moderate vacuum is the ticket; that's what worked for me.

Why is "under pumping" more effective than say pumping as much as possible but just below a level that creates a problem?

Why is a pumped erection in a cylinder more beneficial for peyronies than a sexually stimulated erection in a cylinder? Is it simply that blood flows more freely to restricted areas/peyronies areas in a vacuum?

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

You have asked the $64,000.00 question about pumping with a VED. Think about it for a while - overpumping the erectile tissue will cause more damage. The moderate pumping give the erectile tissue time to "learn" its new stretched condition. Overpumping can and will permanently damage the tissue causing serious problems. Believe me, several guys that I have worked with found out the "hard" way. Now, they are having to battle the damaged areas along with the Peyronies Disease.

Overpumping can and will cause edema of the foreskin, shaft tissue and even the head portion can be inflated to such a state that it will get damaged. It can also cause bleeding if carried to the extreme overpumped condition.

So, bottom line, as it has been said many times on this forum, use extreme caution in pumping and use only enough pressure to get the desired results of inflating the corporal chambers to such a state it is comfortable and not painful, etc. Constant moderate pumping on a routine daily basis for a longer period works better than overpumping for a shorter period, etc.

The protocol that is published by the VED companies usually do not state that overpumping can be done with further damage resulting. I suppose that they assume that a person would not go so far with pumping as to cause pain, etc.

Let us know if we can help further.

Old Man

[Angus]

Regular VED use with moderate vacuum is the ticket; that's what worked for me.

Why is "under pumping" more effective than say pumping as much as possible but just below a level that creates a problem?

Why is a pumped erection in a cylinder more beneficial for peyronies than a sexually stimulated erection in a cylinder? Is it simply that blood flows more freely to restricted areas/peyronies areas in a vacuum?

  The vacuum in a cylinder will draw blood in as an external force, and an "over pumped" or extreme vacuum creates an erection with more "power" than a persons natural blood pressure will create; you can think of natural blood pressure as an internal or natural force. I would rather call a moderate, comfortable vacuum something like normal pumping or vacuum as opposed to "under pumping". Pumping to an extreme to get an extra extra hard erection will be detrimental and WILL cause edema, skin swelling and in some cases pain that takes a while to go away, and as Old Man has stated, some guys have learned this the "hard" way with more damage. I have always held that moderate (or comfortable) vacuum used on a REGULAR basis with a plan will help with Peyronies Disease; I have said in previous posts over time the thought "less is more" with the VED, meaning that more regular, daily use with a comfortable vacuum level will produce results over time. Thinking that an extreme pumping session with too much vacuum for a "super erection" to try and "straighten" things faster will be counter-productive in the long with with edema, skin swelling, pain and so on. The body will re-mold and shape at it's own pace with VED therapy, sometimes much longer than the 26 week protocol calls for. Pumping an extreme, stretched to the limit-almost painful erection won't convince body tissues to stretch or re-mold faster in my opinion. These are my thoughts after years of VED use, with much trial and error in the early days. I mean the same as Old Man says in regards to moderate pumping giving tissue time to learn its new stretched condition, just putting it in different terms. Trying "harder" with the VED can be dangerous and counter-productive. Using a VED need not be scary or strange; pump a moderate pressure, don't push the limits with too much pumping, use it daily, and the experience of using one will be less threatening and be less of a "chore" or inconvenience.  

[Tim468]

Somewhere, perhaps even in this thread, I posted a case report of a man who developed fibrosis of his penis from overpumping (too high of pressure for too long). Too much will damage tissue, including the delicate internal structures and tissues of the corpora (never mind edema to the skin).

As Mark Twain said "Too much of anything is bad for you, except for whiskey, where too much is just enough"

Tim

[Angus]

Somewhere, perhaps even in this thread, I posted a case report of a man who developed fibrosis of his penis from overpumping (too high of pressure for too long). Too much will damage tissue, including the delicate internal structures and tissues of the corpora (never mind edema to the skin).

As Mark Twain said "Too much of anything is bad for you, except for whiskey, where too much is just enough"

Tim

   I'll drink to that. Cheers  

[Ptolemy]

I appreciate all the info. It really helps. There is always the tendency to try to get the penis as large as possible every VED session. Your word help manage the impulse.

This disease unreal - I've experience nothing in my life like it. The unwillingness of the disease to respond to anything. Some days the plaque feels like it's smaller and not as firm, the penis feels larger without as much bend and days later it feels smaller - shorter with a huge dent and bent like a right angle.

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

Yes, there is a tendency to want your penis to "grow" using the VED. However, I don't think that it is reasonably possible that one can get their member to extend beyond what was given to you in the beginning. Under some circumstances, you can regain the lost dimensions if you use the VED with caution and not overdo the exercises. You must keep a regular schedule and not skip days if at all possible.

Pumping with too high a pressure can only lead to further problems immediately and in the future.

Constant daily moderate use has been proven by many on and off this forum to work best in VED therapy. So, keep the faith, be patient and maintain a good daily schedule.

Old Man

[getting_there_in_oregon]

so i've used the VED a few days... then i read more posts and wondered if i might be over doing it which sounds like it could be bad.

so, for Peryonies (as apposed to erectile disfuction)

Q 1. do you use the rings? the one's that keep it erect?

Q 2. and how much do i pump? it never seems like a rigid erection from the pump. is that normal? it definitely fills with blood. and i think i'm getting it all the full. i read that you stop before it looks swollen and puffy and red and all that so i think i'm okay (though the big vain looks like it's might pop, sorry if that's gross but that's how it goes having that vian so much on the surface)

okay so any pointers would be great. just wanna MAKE SURE. cuz the last thing i need is for therapy to turn into damage.

thanks!

[Old Man]

Gettingthere:

Yes, you should be concerned about overpumping the pressure. The best advice to you is just pump only enough pressure to get your therapy going, but not to the point of pain or discomfort. Use your best judgment about when is enough pressure. You should be able to know when you have reached the point that your penis has reached its point of best condition, etc.

Now, YOU DO NOT USE THE RETAINER RING(S) FOR Peyronies Disease THERAPY! Those are used only to hold up your erection, if needed, after you have reached your fullest comfortable erection. (Again, don't overpump your erection if going for sexual activity. Most of the time, you will gain a small amount of pressure when you slide the retainer ring(s) off the cylinder.) Above all, be careful in Peyronies Disease therapy and in going for an erection for sex so that you don't inflate your penile chambers beyond a comfortable harness or size, etc.

The VED is a wonderful tool if used properly and in moderation. Using it beyond a comfortable level at any time can and will cause problems for you. If ever you experience edema, irritation or other problems on your penis while using it, cease the VED use and wait for the area(s) to properly heal before continuing VED use.

We are here to help in any situation, so feel free to ask questions on the forum and don't go it alone with your therapy.

Old Man