VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[california]

Hi everyone,

I am looking to buy an Osbon Esteem (despite a recent appointment with my uro suggesting I would cause more damage by using it.  Once again, a lack of significant research leads to hearing opposite opinions from professionals in the field).  Because he was not all that positive on me using it, we didn't get into a great discussion about it so I was hoping someone could recommend a place for me to purchase it.  Also, do I need a prescription to purchase one or is that only for insurance reimbursement purposess?

Also, if my problem is primarily waisting and ED, is the Osbon a good bet?  If so, what kind of price should I expect to pay for a unit?

Sorry for the multiple questions - mainly looking for a recommendation of a reputable site to purchase a VED.

[antony]

Hi California,

it's the same for me, one doctor tells me to use it (like advice from Old Man or other persons here); and other one, "good' specialist too, tells me NOT to use it, not because it would be useless,but because it will damage more!! (i dont see how we can damage more).
But it's sure if we do nothing, it will not change of condition...
So i ask myself same questions, even if i think its really worth to try it.

[youngPD]

To Antony and California:

Just like you two I have heard contradicting opinions about the VED in our condition.I would say that putting the constriction ring looks to me as likely to induce further damage,while pumping VERY LIGHTLY may supposedly help  a bit.

Anyhow ,be it a good option or not,having no variety of REAL solutions ,what else can we do ??

[Angus]

Any VED or restriction ring has the POTENTIAL to cause more damage, but only potential. As recorded by many here, the VED used responsibly and carefully will not damage anything. The VED is a simple treatment that is easy to learn... and all the dangers and things NOT to do are recorded here on the forum, and if you have questions you can't find answers to, many of us are only a post away from answering. The VED has provided many men relief without any damage because they read about techniques and therapy, and asked questions. It is hard at first to put aside any images of the sex toy type VED's with their associated pictures, but this you must do. The theraputic VED is a much different thing to use, and very safe when directions are followed. You must read everything here on VED use, and ask many questions... they will be answered, and this may help you decide if you want to follow the VED therapy.  

[Ptolemy]

I've been using a Sonoma VED for 10 months now with little change. However, it feels like it is good "exercise" for the penis and I believe that without it, I would be in worse shape. I follow the vacuumtherapy.org protocol but where the protocol calls for 10 cycles each daily session, I use the device for 15 to 20 minutes. That may be too much I don't know but I am cautious on the pressure and have never felt any pain or discomfort afterwards. 10 cycles just doesn't seem like enough each day. Any comments from those of you that have achieved results would be welcomed.

[Old Man]

ptolemy:

As Angus says, VED use must be done in moderation and extreme care. Overpumping can and will cause more damage even if it is only to the surface skin. But, one does not want to do even that much damage.

By using the protocol, you are at least establishing a routine that you do the exercises. I see no problem with doing the exercises longer than the 10 cycles so long as you do not feel any pain or discomfort while doing the extra time, etc. Only you can determine what would be too much.

I have long since wondered to myself who so many guys simply hesitate to try using the VED therapy. From experiences that have been published on the this forum one should deduce that there must be some success to be had from VED usage. Each individual must decide what is best for himself though.

Anyway, the above is just the considered opinion of an old man who has been there and done that from over 50 years of coping with Peyronies Disease, ED, prostate cancer and other related men's sexual problems.

Old Man

[Tim468]

Here is an article written by Tom Lue:

LENGTHENING SHORTENED PENIS CAUSED BY PEYRONIE'S DISEASE USING CIRCULAR VENOUS GRAFTING AND DAILY STRETCHING WITH A VACUUM ERECTION DEVICE

TOM F. LUE and AHMED I. EL-SAKKA

Abstract
Purpose: We evaluated the results of chronic intermittent stretching with a vacuum erection device after circumferential tunical incision and circular venous grafting in 4 patients with penile shortening from severe Peyronie's disease.

Materials and Methods

We performed complete circumferential tunical incision and covered the defect with a circular venous graft in 4 patients with shortened penis as a result of Peyronie's disease. Preoperative evaluation included determination of patient and partner expectations, potency status, measurement of penile length after intracavernous injection and color duplex ultrasonography to determine possible vascular communication. Lower saphenous, upper saphenous and deep dorsal veins served as graft materials. We advised patients to use a vacuum device on a daily basis for 6 months starting 1 month surgery. Postoperative evaluations were done at 6 and 18 months postoperatively.

Results

At 6-month followup 1 patient who did not use the vacuum device gained 1 inch in penile length and was not available for further followup. The other 3 patients each gained 2 inches but had decreased erectile rigidity due to narrowing in the grafted area (hourglass deformity). One patient who wanted a more natural erection elected penile prosthesis implantation about 1 year after grafting. The remaining 2 patients gained 3 inches at 18-month followup and regained partial penile rigidity similar to preoperative erections when the hourglass deformity improved. All patients were satisfied and indicated that surgery improved psychological well-being as well as relationships with partners.

Conclusions

The results in this small group are satisfactory. Our technique offers a reasonable solution for correction of penile shortening in patients with Peyronie's disease.  

[Tim468]

Another article:

Effect of incision and saphenous vein grafting for Peyronie's disease on penile length and sexual satisfaction.

Yurkanin JP, Dean R, Wessells H.

Section of Urology, University of Arizona College of Medicine, Tucson, Arizona, USA.

PURPOSE: We determined the effect of incision and saphenous vein grafting on penile length, erectile function and overall sexual satisfaction in men with Peyronie's disease.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: A total of 24 consecutive men underwent plaque incision and saphenous vein grafting with postoperative daily use of a vacuum erection device. Erect penile length, pain, curvature and erectile function were assessed before and after surgery, and overall sexual satisfaction was scored from 1 to 5 by a validated instrument.

RESULTS: Of the 22 patients in whom adequate followup data were available mean penile length was increased 2.1 cm. as a result of surgery (p <0.001). Median score of overall satisfaction with sex life was 4 or moderately satisfied. Of the 86% of men who achieved sexual intercourse after surgery 54% used no erectile aids and 32% required sildenafil or intracavernous injection. Complete erectile dysfunction was present in 14% of cases. Patients who reported erectile difficulty preoperatively were significantly more likely to have erectile dysfunction postoperatively that required erectile aids. Arterial insufficiency on duplex Doppler ultrasound was associated with a higher likelihood of complete erectile dysfunction. Complications in 33% of patients included complete erectile dysfunction in 3 and significant persistent penile curvature in 1.

CONCLUSIONS: Incision and venous grafting of plaque leads to statistically and clinically significant increases in penile length in men with Peyronie's disease. Preoperative erectile dysfunction and cavernous arterial insufficiency were associated with a higher risk of postoperative erectile dysfunction. Nevertheless, patients reported a high degree of satisfaction with their overall sex life.

[Tim468]

As the above articles show, the VED has a role in the management of penile shortening after a surgery. And why shouldn't that happen after surgery? We have a tendency to do this - to shorten - from inflammation and surgery is a challenge to our system. Talk about trauma!

So the VED and some of the meds and steps taken (like the VED) that don't "fix" the Peyronies, may help the patient getting radical surgery later. And as many of us have shown, the VED does not hurt when done right.

Tim

[youngPD]

To Tim :

First of all thanks for your effort and your valuable information.

I have some questions in case you could maybe help me with some of them:

In my country ,there's just one company who imports the VED ,and they have only the one cylinder VED.
'Old man' recommended using the three cylinder one ("soma erect" ?).I went into the company's site (the one who sells the "Some erect"), and sent them an email, asking whether they would ship outside the USA as well ,however they haven't replied.(2 weeks ago already)

Do you have any clue ,which source may ship it worldwide (what other alternative VED are recommended ?....I am not quite good at DIY constructions, so it looked kind of complicated for me trying to compose such a VED ,even after I've read previous posts about it).

Also: is there anyone on board who got some results like gaining back size WITHOUT using pills in conjunction with the VED (I am kind of scared to use Viagra or such, daily )?

Thank you all in advance for the answers,
Ron

[Tim468]

Here is what I just did. I clicked on the little magnifying glass next to the search area. That took me to the advanced search. I searched for "VED" and "handpump" in the same pump posted by me and found:

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,25.msg5289.html#msg5289

That link takes you to the post that has cheaper (NOT "do it yourself" at all) VED options. You order the cylinder and the handpump and get going and you save a lot of money. Also, you can add larger cylinders as you go to spread out the costs.

Tim

[Old Man]

youngpd:

Since you have not heard back from the Somaerect company site, Send them another post and make it for the attention of Louis in Marketing and Sales department.

He should pick up on it and answer your post. Again, their website is:  www.augustams.com.

There is a site in the UK that markets the Somaerect, so you might want to do a search for it on Google or Ask.com. If I can help further, just let me know.

Regards, Old Man

[youngPD]

To Old man and Tim:
Thank you very much for your help.I will try to get the pump in the following days and hope it would works well for me.

All the best,
Ron

[shrout]

5 months into the 6 month protocol with a VED I've realised you don't actually need any lubricant on the inner end of the device in order to get a decent vacuum. You simply need a bit of experience in getting the correct angle, and not to press too hard. Strangely enough pressing too hard against the body seems to be as counter productive as not pressing hard enough. I found this out by accident, and it's going to save me a few quid.

As for my progress, I can't say there's been any dramatic change. I found it impossible to take accurate measurements at the start because the angle of deviation and the length of the penis changes with the strength of the erection. Once you achieve a full erection measurement becomes almost impossible, because it begins to subside as soon as you begin to measure. A partner would be useful here, but at present I don't have one, and I'm not about to ask my sister or a neighbour for help.    All I can say is that I believe thare has been a small improvement, and I'm suffiently encouraged to keep going with it, especially in the light of my recent discovery.

I found JJMNPI's post re. traction is very encouraging, and I'd very much like to try it along with the VED, but finances don't permit just yet.  

[Hawk]

I found it impossible to take accurate measurements at the start because the angle of deviation and the length of the penis changes with the strength of the erection. Once you achieve a full erection measurement becomes almost impossible, because it begins to subside as soon as you begin to measure. A partner would be useful here, but at present I don't have one....

Measuring your penis is a very simple matter that has been discussed here many times and as recently as a week ago.

[Tim468]

Well, Hawk, sometimes it is a moving target if you are unable to maintain an erection. I in fact measure two lengths; the erect length, and that I can get in a cylinder. I do not measure inches, but changes, using crude measures in the side of the cylinder (my finger breadths, on it, actually). Using a tape and measuring from the base can be hard if one's penis is sagging fast.

Tim

[Hawk]

Well, Hawk, sometimes it is a moving target if you are unable to maintain an erection. I in fact measure two lengths; the erect length, and that I can get in a cylinder. I do not measure inches, but changes, using crude measures in the side of the cylinder (my finger breadths, on it, actually). Using a tape and measuring from the base can be hard if one's penis is sagging fast.
Tim

I am shaking my head  

I said in an earlier post that measuring changes in penis length is a very easy matter.  I said that because it is and I cannot begin to understand the confusion, controversy, or ongoing discussion for this straight forward issue.

The fail-safe method #1 of measuring changes in penis length

Stretch the flaccid penis first thing in the morning.  Maintain a log (no pun intended).  Changes in the loss or gain in erect length will be detected whether the change is due to tissue growth (more cells), elasticity, or cell size. Results are unaffected by degree of erection or losing erection during measurement since you have no erection.  Angulation is also not an issue with this method.


The fail-safe method #2 of measuring changes in penis length

Mark the straight tube of the VED in increments using a straight ruler.  Your VED now doubles as a ruler.  Of course it is only necessary to mark a couple inches near your current length in 1/4" increments.  Note how far you extend into the cylinder with a full erection.  Note the length at the beginning or the end of a session (same time in the session each time you compare length).  Since the VED gives and maintains a maximum erection while in the tube, there are no variables for "degree of erection, or losing an erection while measuring.


Use either method, or even both methods one day a week.

IT IS THE CONCLUSIVE, FAILSAFE, AND ACCURATE, METHOD OF DETERMINING LENGTH CHANGES!

aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  I feel better  

[shrout]

Sorry Hawk,

I can honestly say I've never come across ( pardon the pun   ) that information before... it may have been on a part of the site I rarely visit.

Whatever -- having just used method #2  I can say that I've lost approx. 1" in length since my pre-Peyronies days. And since I intend to continue using the VED for another 6 months, I can now keep an accurate record of any changes... which will be as valid as if I had done the same thing from 0 months to 6 months... no?

[Tim468]

The data on erectile length versus stretched length suggest that it is precise (that is, reproducible every time that you do it), and always will stay in a fixed relationship to the actual erect length (ie if you shorten an inch, the stretched length will also shorten an inch.

Reproducibility between subjects is more variable, though. Some stretch to their actual length, and some to about 2 cm less.

I think that issue many of us struggle with is not "how long", but a more qualitative picture that includes angulation, differences or changes in girth at different points (ie above and below an hourglass deformity), and how well it maintains blood on it's own. Stretching a penis or inflating it passively in a VED does not address any such questions.

Tim

[Hawk]

My posts were addressing one issue.  Measuring changes in length, and the easy fail-safe method for doing so.

I also cannot accept that any penis will not stretch to erect length when pulled to the limit by holding the tip, but somehow would stretch further with blood pushing the tissue from the inside.  This is especially true since erection, if anything would take up tissue to fill out girth.  A tug to length is as long as a penis is going to get at that moment with a tug, a push, and erection, or a wish.

[Tim468]

Here is the article. I was off by a half centimeter

Penile Length in the Flaccid and Erect States: Guidelines for Penile Augmentation

Hunter Wessells, Tom F. Lue and Jack W. McAninch

"Mean flaccid length was 8.8 cm., stretched length 12.4 cm. and erect length 12.9 cm. Neither patient age nor size of the flaccid penis accurately predicted erectile length. Stretched length most closely correlated with erect length."

The attached figures show more. What you see is a good line of correlation beteen stretched and flaccid length. However, you will note that not all men fall right on the line, with a range of up to 1-4 cm differences in stretched and erectile lengths in individuals. Note that the "outliers" are more often longer when erect than when stretched - more dots fall farther above the line of unity than below it.

My point is that your message is correct, in general, but it is not correct for every individual. The attached figures demonstrate that.

I included other figures from the paper to show the lack of correlation between what you "show", and how much you "grow".

The first figure is used to show why it is that older men appear to be shorter - they have more fat there hiding it. Also, their stretched penile length is less than in younger men due to normal age-related loss of elasticity.



Tim

[getting_there_in_oregon]

Who out there has used a VED? do they actually help? (i honestly always just thought they were quackery)
it sorta makes sense though... does it help pull it outward?
..anyone have personal experience with them and can suggest a good one to purchase?

thanks!!

[getting_there_in_oregon]

ohh... let me add regarding my VED question below...
 i'm not having any problem getting erections. i'm a young guy and wake up with erections pretty much every morning. and get them throughout the day. might a VED help with the bottle neck and general condition?

opinions?

[Old Man]

getting_there:

Suggest that you select the VED topic in the Child Board section of the main forum. You will find a wealth of information regarding usage of VEDs in that topic.

Many of us have used the VED to great success. Others have seen no positive results. However, that should not deter you from using one even if it is just for helping keep your penis in a healthy state.

So, read all you can in the VED section suggest above. Then if you still have questions, there are many on this forum who can steer you in the correct direction.

Regards to you, Old Man

[Kimo]

Happy New Year everyone,,,just a short update on my VED usage..It's been about 3 to 4 weeks now and i have seen some improvement which is very encouraging...I have gained some length back but more noticable in the girth...I pump every morning after a hot shower for about 15 to 20 minutes...My girth is much bigger,,,especially when flacid more than ever before,,i'm happy with that..

This is just my experience and thought i'd share it .

Kimo

[pal-31]

Happy New Year to everyone !

Kimo,

Congrats on the improvement. I am going to start with ved myself hopefully soon if the Dr. give me the prescription.

Quick question, I noticed, in a previous post, you also mentioned you are using the topical verpamil. Are you using the topical and ved currently ?

Hope you continue to see results
Pal

[Tim468]

Mr Oregon...

I think the jury is still out regarding the value of the VED for bottleneck of hourglass deformity. It has obvious helpfulness for the bends, but not as obvious *theoretical* value for the former conditions. Nevertheless, I think that Old Man is correct to suggest it will be generally helpful.

Tim

[Old Man]

Oregon:

I agree with Tim generally about VEDs not doing much good for the hour glass deformity. However, in my individual case, it did reform the shaft in several places that I had the hour glass effect. Today, I have very little, if any, symptoms of Peyronies Disease. The only curve that I still have was the slight upward curve that is only congenital.

It took the greater part of a year doing daily stretching and "milking action" therapy to do the job. Overall, the VED proved to be the only therapy/treatment that did any real good for my Peyronies Disease sypmtoms.

The above is saying that the VED will relieve each and every case of Peyronies Disease. So, bottom line, each case of Peyronies Disease is just that - individual. Each person must find what works best for him.

Old Man

[Kimo]

Pal,,,,I am not presently using the topical verapamil,but have used it in the past with very good results both times.....


I am presently using the VED as i was recently hit again for the 3rd time with peyronies,,,i'm not really bent this time but more deformed,,kinda the hour glass look, i am using the VED to help stretch the tissues and hopefully keep things from getting any worse,,, i believe it is working good for me....I do still use viagra for sex, whether it's with my wife or to masturbate.....

kimo

[pal-31]

Kimo,

Thanks for the info. I am going to private-message you if you dont mind

Thanks,
Pal

[jjmnpi]

To All:
I've been using the Fastsize extender for 3 weeks now to stretch the scar tissue. I was thinking about combining that with a VED to promote blood flow to the areas. Any thoughts or opinions on this?

jjm

[Old Man]

jjm:

Based on what I know about VED usage, I see no problem with combining the VED with the extender therapy.

However, one word of caution, just make sure that you experience no pain or discomfort when using the VED. Have no info on what you need to do about using the extender though. Overpumping pressure with the VED can and will cause further problems such as edema of the glans or foreskin, etc.

Keep us posted on what is happening if you decide to use both the items.

Old Man  

[Ptolemy]

It took the greater part of a year doing daily stretching and "milking action" therapy to do the job.

What do you mean by "milking action?" Were you massaging the penis from the base to the top? Do you feel it was helpful in your recovery?

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

OK, the milking action term is my own that I applied to a method of exercise that I did with the Osbon Esteem VED.

I purchased the inner/smaller sizing insert from the Timm Medical Div. of Endocare, Inc (present owners of the old Osbon VEDs). The Esteem came with a larger sizing insert which proved to be too large for my size, etc. Both innner and outer inserts provided a closer fit around the shaft of the penis so that more pressure buildup is allowed and felt more comfortable. You may or may not need additional sizing help.

Now to describe the milking action. It is sort of like milking a cow's teat only with the VED cylinder. This is how I did it: Get a good tight seal around the shaft of the penis, pump up to a fairly good erection, while holding this pressure at a moderate amount, move the entire VED assy, out from the body about an inch or two based on one's length, hold the increased pressure caused by this pulling action for a moment, let the VED pull back to the body, again holding the pressure and seal. Repeat this action on a steady pace for as long as you do the exercise, in my case, about 15 minutes a day, etc. You can increase the exercise time according to how you feel and not causinig any pain or discomfort. Caution is pumping is the watchword in any VED therapy exercises.

Hope this gives you a better insight of the exercise. If you have further questions, feel free to ask.

Regards, Old Man

[shrout]

Might try that milking action OM, now that I feel quite confident in my ability to manipulate the VED.

I'm wondering why we are told ( in the instructions for the SomaErect, at least ) that lube is required on the inner end of the VED in order to get a good seal against the body, and also to lube the inside of the tube as well as the penis every time. In my experience you can get a perfectly good seal using no lube whatsoever, and you only need to lubricate either the penis or the tube, not both, to get plenty of slide. Are they cynically trying to sell us as much of their expensive lubricant as possible? It makes me wonder.

What are other people's experiences in getting a good seal ?

[Angus]

   I would imagine that their reasoning for recommending so much lube is to help men who find the VED awkward get a better seal. For me, the smallest tube only needs about a half teaspoon of lube smeared around on the inside with a wet bottle brush for good lubricity; no lube is required on the penis; just circling the bottle brush around the tube opening provides plenty of seal. The larger tubes just need a small bit of lube smeared around the opening to get a good seal (for me). And for the brave souls, shaving a ring around the base of the penis bares up the skin where the tube touches and makes getting a seal a whole lot easier. I guess my anatomy isn't just right to get a perfect seal with no lube   but at least lube isn't required in the larger amounts you describe that are called for in your instructions.  

[Old Man]

Angus and Shrout:

I have helped quite a number of guys with orientation of their VEDs when RXd by my local uro group. Many guys just don't want to bare themselves before a female technician trying to show them how to use the VEDs. So, my background with VEDs does cover a lot of demo work.

Saying the above to kind of back up my following statements about lube. The amount of lube needed is based on a person's anatomy down there. If one has a large penis he would need more lube than say a guy with less endownment. The main reason that the VED companies state that lube must be placed inside the cylinder as well as on one's penis is based on trials that are conducted using guys without any experience with VED use. As a person gets more and more familar with their VED, then they can modify the instructions to the point is works for them, therefore less lube may or may not work, etc.

Also, if a guy has not been circumcised, he would need the added lube to keep his foreskin and glans more lubed to prevent chafing and/or irritation. A circumcised guy would therefore probably need less lube, etc.

Shrout:

I use the Walmart Equate brand of person lubricant which comes in a plastic container of about 4 gel ounces and lasts quite a time for me. It only costs about $2.00 per tube and for me it works better than the high priced lube from the VED companies. Have been using the Walmart brand for about 10 or 11 years now with no problem.

As Angus says about using lube on the mouth of the cylinder for a better seal is usually recommended in the instructions. I find that one has to be extremely careful in lubing the penis so that none gets on the scrotum. This usually makes the scrotum pull up into the cylinder mouth which causes much pain. So use only enough lube on the mouth to get a seal and to prevent chafing or irritation during the therapy exercises. If you can get a good tight seal without lube and you have no pain without it, go that route.

Happy pumping and keep a daily routine for doing it.

Old Man

[Ptolemy]

I find that one has to be extremely careful in lubing the penis so that none gets on the scrotum. This usually makes the scrotum pull up into the cylinder mouth which causes much pain. So use only enough lube on the mouth to get a seal and to prevent chafing or irritation during the therapy exercises. If you can get a good tight seal without lube and you have no pain without it, go that route.

Thanks again for all your help OM on many areas.

On your comment above I found this to be a problem using the large tube. I found a little more pressure (holding it more tightly to my body) during the initial stokes until my penis expanded at the base sufficient to fill the larger size tube was an adequate remedy.

I also found without lubrication inside, I would experience discomfort as the size - especially length - of the penis increased. So for me I like a lot of lubricant. Shaving cream works but is a little too runny.

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

Glad that I said something that really helped for you. I would like to caution you about using shaving cream for lube though. It can and will cause skin irritation over a period of time, especially if you use the milking action type of VED therapy that I did. The faster moving of the cylinder up and down the shaft with shaving cream could cause a problem. You will just have to try it for a while to see what happens. The low price of the Walmart Equate Personal Lubricant makes it a viable option to the high priced ones the VED companies send with their units. I still recommend using plenty of lube for the Peyronies Disease regimen since the less friction there is, the better.

As I said in earlier posts, the shaving of the pubic hair eliminates a lot of problems with getting a seal. You do have to keep the hair shaved on a regular basis though. Not a bad price to pay for a good seal though.

If you continue to have a problem with the cylinder opening being too large, you might have to find some way to reduce it. Based on which model VED you have, the manufacturer should have several sizing inserts to help out.

Regards, Old Man

[ocelot556]

I apologize if this is a question that has been asked before, but in relation to a VED - will the benefits of using one reverse if you stop use? That is, you use the VED for a few months and see some straightening. This is because of the chronic force applied to the scar tissue stretching it - but will that scar tissue contract again if the regimin is not continued?

[Mick]

Hi Ocelot:

I finished the 6 month program last Feb. with pretty good results.  Since then I have used it sporadically but not at all the last few months.  There have been  no changes, good or bad during this past year.  Hope this helps.

Mick

[Old Man]

Ocelot:

I got rid of my Peyronies Disease using the VED after prostatectomy. I use it several times a week now just for maintenance in case the Peyronies Disease should take a turn to worsen. I am convinced that once a person has Peyronies Disease that it never completely goes away. Suppose that it may be in "remission" if that is a proper term for it.

Anyway, I know of no one who has reported return of their Peyronies Disease symptoms after quitting VED usage. That is, assuming that they saw results with its use.

Old Man

[Angus]

I apologize if this is a question that has been asked before, but in relation to a VED - will the benefits of using one reverse if you stop use? That is, you use the VED for a few months and see some straightening. This is because of the chronic force applied to the scar tissue stretching it - but will that scar tissue contract again if the regimin is not continued?

   I too used the VED to reduce the curve tremendously (45 down to less than 10 degrees). I too use the VED for maintenance weekly, but for various reasons have skipped the use of it for weeks at a time over the last couple of years. The curve has not gotten worse but has remained at it's corrected state.  

[Ptolemy]

Ocelot:

I got rid of my Peyronies Disease using the VED after prostatectomy. I use it several times a week now just for maintenance in case the Peyronies Disease should take a turn to worsen. I am convinced that once a person has Peyronies Disease that it never completely goes away. Suppose that it may be in "remission" if that is a proper term for it.

Anyway, I know of no one who has reported return of their Peyronies Disease symptoms after quitting VED usage. That is, assuming that they saw results with its use.

Old Man

I'm confused by your post. (Possibly it is me). It sounds like you recommend continued VED usage in the 1st paragraph but in the 2nd paragraph you cite that symptoms don't recur when you don't.

[getting_there_in_oregon]

WHICH should i purchase !?!?!?

http://www.rejoynstore.com/revathsypepu.html

is this a good one?

any suggestions for a VED to purchase?!?!?

i also found this model?
http://www.drugsupplystore.com/servlet/the-27/Impotence-Aid-Manual-Vacuum/Detail
is it good because i can get it even cheaper somewhere else...

thanks so much.

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

After re-reading my post, I think that you are right. What I am saying does in a way contradict itself.

What I am trying to say is that if one used the VED and saw results, they should continue VED usage to preclude the symptoms coming back. On the other hand, if one uses the VED for an extended period of time and sees no results, there would be no need to continue the treatment.

However, I would recommend using the VED for a period long enough to determine that no results would be forthcoming. Some guys have used the VED for over a year without any sign of positive results. So, one must determine in their own situation if they should continue long term usage of the VED.

As I stated, since I had positive results, I continue to use the VED several times a week just to preclude the Peyronies Disease returning if at all possible. Hope this clears up your question. If not, let me know.

Old Man

[Old Man]

Getting there:

First, let me say that I have not seen either VED in person, so I don't know for sure about the quality of each.

The Rejoyn unit appears to be of a better quality based on the pictures. The other unit appears to be less well built. But again, one would have to personally see each unit to determine the best quality. The price of each seems reasonable though.

They could be a cheaper alternative to the higher priced Osbon and Augusta models. Only you can determine which would be best for you. I would have to personally see each one to recommend a choice between the two of them.

Maybe some one else on the forum has had experience with these VEDs and can recommend one or the other.

Old Man

[Angus]

  It's hard to tell anything about a VED online without seeing it in person. The Rejoyn one seems to be the better of the two, but that could be only saying it has the better picture online. But, be advised that you cannot get different size tubes other than what is supplied with them. The Rejoyn comes with a 2 inch diameter tube. A Large tube they sell is two inches longer but the same diameter. The second VED link has poor information with sentence fragments in the description and a very poor digital image, but you'll have to decide what is best for you. Consider the fact that if you are interested in the multi-tube VED therapy as outlined elsewhere on the forum, neither of these have a small tube available.  

[jackp]

VED / Augusta Medical vs Rejoyn
I have both. The Rejoyn did not do well for me. Bought it new over the net from the store that sells Rejoyn.
When I had to have heart stints in October 2006 Uro took me off trimix and said to use a VED. I told him that I had a Rejoyn and it did not work well. He arranged for a custom fit Augusta Medical to see how it worked. Needless to say I was impressed with the Augusta Medical. Pricey $450.00 out of pocket (before I was on Medicare).
8 weeks post op from the failed implant attempt I have started back using it 3-4 times for exercise. The couple of Uro's that I have talked to want me to use it 3-4 times a week to help the corpora stretch out and assist for the next implant attempt.
I am of the opinion that once you have Peronies even if the curve self corrected like mine did that you always have Peronies. Peronies has attacked my corpora and I have a lot of fibrosis. The fibrosis has caused penis shrinkage and have lost about 1.25" of length. Hind sight I wish I had been using a VED after the Peronies attack in 1996. For those of us with Peronies keeping the corpora healthy is a must. My only regret is that the Uro at the time did not tell me about the VED and let me shrink telling me that there was nothing he could do.
My $0.02
Jackp

[Ptolemy]

Quick Historical Overview – See History for more detail
June 2005 Contracted disease by bending penis during sex
Aug 2005 Felt pea sized lump
Feb 2006 Began topical verapamil – Wasted time and money for 1 year
Jan 2007 Began VED treatment
Jan 2008 Began Traction treatment in addition to VED treatment

I did no measurements prior to VED treatment. With the VED I mark the outer tube to record/monitor changes in size.

When I began using the VED I was 30% below my maximum size (prior Peyronies Disease size) with a 90 degree upward bend.

Over time VED treatment increased the length from the 30% loss to a 12% loss.

Today I tend to use the VED less aggressively and currently have about a 20% loss in size. I'm sure I could get more length with more effort but I'm concerned about the risk. The 90 degree upward bend without the cylinder still exists. But I do get a sense that the bend is softening.

Overall I would say the results for the year are below my expectations however, I believe that I would be much worse off had I never used the VED. I feel like the plaque is still growing down the shaft but I'm able to retain if not regain some length. Alternatively, possibly the plaque is not growing; I'm simply stretching the plaque by using the VED. The plaque has always felt as hard as a rock. I have always operated the VED below any pain threshold. (You guys are good a scaring the hell out of me on overuse.)

It will be interesting to see what impact the Traction device will have. I will not be able to wear it to the office so my usage will be only 1 to 2 hours per weekday rather than the 5 to 7 recommended. My plans are to use the VED every morning and the Traction in the evening.