VED's - Vacuum Erection Devices

[Old Man]

boodoo2u:

The vein probably overextended itself due to the added pressure exerted during pumping. This can be a serious problem for you if continuing to pump rather high pressures. This is why that caution notes about this has been posted on the forum over and over. DO NOT OVERPUMP has been stated in all of my posts about any and all regimens and/or protocols for VED usage.

I really don't think that you have caused much damage with the vein if this is the first time you have seen this occur. If it has been occurring many times, you could be causing further damage. So, bottom line, just be careful to use only enough pressure to maintain a partial erection while doing the Peyronies Disease protocol/regimen, etc.

Moderation in pumping is the understatement of the year in any VED therapy. Regular VED therapy sessions every day, if possible, is the best approach to VED usage for Peyronies Disease.

Old Man

[Angus]

Maybe one of our members that is more schooled in anatomy can say what significance that blood vessel is. And you realize that less pressure and pumping is in order from here on out. If you were pumping until penile skin is super tight you were probably pumping too much vacuum. No one's really mentioned this next thing, but I'm jumping in with it. There's probably not a man on here that's used a VED that hasn't experienced this scenario: While using the VED behind closed doors, an erection is obtained and the user wonders "well, if a few pumps produced THIS, I wonder what a few more pumps will produce", and curiosity to see if a yet bigger erection can be obtained takes over. A few more pumps and voila, you let off the pressure after a minute or two and behold the swelling taking place on the skin. This happened to me early on with the VED... thinking a few more pumps might produce the Louisville Slugger we all dream about. The swelling did go down after a day or so. I started keeping the vacuum down to a reasonable level (reasonable being no pain, skin not stretched super-tight and reasonable holding times, say 15-30 seconds). I'm not saying this is the case with you or any other members, I'm just throwing the scenario out there just in case so men can be on the lookout for this. More cycles with less vacuum per day, plus daily use without skipping days produced results for me. It's a scary thing to look down and see that swelling, but I too don't think you've damaged anything. Remember, with the VED, less is more (less vacuum = more results). A body part, whether it's a penis, arm, leg or whatever, responds to traction, a cast, pressure, vacuum or whatever therapy when it is ready to. I think you'll be fine.  

[bodoo2u]

Thanks for the words of encouragement and the sound advice. I felt a little stinging, but I thought it was the VED pulling on the plaque, which in my case runs the entire length of the right side of my penis. As a result of the plaque, if you can call it that, I'm more like a banana (but worse) than the upward bend that a lot of the guys describe here.

Can either of you, or anyone, tell me which situation is more prevalent; the banana curve or the upward/downward bend?

[Old Man]

boodoo2u:

I don't think that either one takes precedence over the other. There about as many with upward curves as there are with downward curves. Most consider banana curves to be congenital though.

Go to this website and you can view thousands of penises showing curves and bends of all kinds:

www.ejacu.com/

This site is not for those who have a weak stomach as it shows many pictures that some would consider to be porn. The site explains that it is published strictly for information and not for porn. It will give you a good insight about what many other men possess, etc.

Old Man

[Liam]

Can either of you, or anyone, tell me which situation is more prevalent; the banana curve or the upward/downward bend?

I suspect, due to the shrinkage componant of the condition, a plantain may be a better comparison for some.  



A "banana" curve is not always abnormal.  I suspect more guys have a bit of a "banana" curve than don't.

[Hawk]

A well known Peyronies Disease doctor told me that a downward curve was no more than 10% of Peyronies Disease cases.  It is also not usually considered a candidate for Verapamil Injections

[bodoo2u]

Believe me, my plantain/banana curve is not congenital. I was straight as an arrow before a dent and slight bend appeared overnight, just like that. The rest is... well, you know. I try not to drink alcohol because I think about it too much when I do. That's probably a sign that I haven't dealt with the situation on the level that I should have by now, which has been more than two years. But why confront it when I can't do anything about it.  

[pal-31]

Dear all,

I am thinking about adding the VED to my treatment plan. I have a few questions, though, do I need a prescription ? could it be covered by insurance ? where do I buy it from etc..

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Pal

[Liam]

It is possible your insurance will pay if your doctor prescribes it for ED.  It is somewhere between difficult amd impossible to get insurance to pay with a prescription because of Peyronies Disease or with no presciption.

The two major brands are Augusta Medical and Osbon.  There are several other brands out there.  The three cylinder types (diameters differ) are popular here.

Read "Highlights of VEDs" for more good info.

[Ptolemy]

The logic behind the daily use of a VED using the VacuumTherapy.org protocol seems sound to me (assuming I understand it) - gently (below a pain threshhold) and frequently (daily) stretching the plaque and the entire penis in a straight manner. The 3 sizes make sense as well, small to gain length, the large to gain width (especially in the hour glass area) and the middle size for well I guess closely resembling where I really want to get to.

So my question is why wouldn't a natural forming erection (using visual stimulants like erotic material or porn) assisted by the VED stretching be the best manner to "exercise/stretch" the penis to the state I would want to get to.

BTW, I've tried to read as many posts as possible to avoid the regulars here repeating themselves with answers and comments already posted. There is a lot here to get through.

[ocelot556]

I'm concerned with this as well, as my health insurance runs out next month and I worry about getting to a uro who will prescribe a VED for me in time (because - 500 dollars!? For a cock vacuum!?)

But I'm young and don't suffer from ED, knock on wood, so I generally get a few hardons a day. I try when I can to manipulate them to the opposite side of the bend, but I'm not sure if that's an exercise in vanity alone and that I'm just wasting time better spent with a VED (which is true anyway, from what I've seen and read here, but still...)

[Tim468]

My personal experience is that using porn runs the risk of helping one most in developing a porn addiction.

Having a "natural" erection doesn't seem to add anything to the erection induced by the VED. That is, the amount of stretch seems to be no different if I am aroused or not. One canfeel more blood angording the part of the erectile tissues that are not inside the VED chamber, but other than that, there is little difference.

Tim

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

From my experience with VED usage, the difference between a natural erection and one induced with the VED is this:  A natural erection is brought about by only the amount of pressure that your heart normally pumps out. An erection induced by the VED is brought about by a pressure that is higher than the body pressure and therefore forces more blood into the areas that a natural one cannot reach. It usually reaches the areas beyond the hourglass effect and on into the head portion so the whole penis feels a similar amount of blood flow.

So, bottom line, if you are able to induce a natural erection, you should keep this in mind when using the VED. You do not want to use more VED pressure than is comfortable without feeling pain, etc. This is a caution that any and all should be keep in mind with VED usage.

Best to you, Old Man

[Angus]

Welcome to the board Ptolemy. Be persistent with your VED use. It took over a year of persistent use for me to get results. I think you're on the right track.  

[Ptolemy]

Thanks for the welcome and encouragement guys.

I feel like I wasted a good year on topical Verapamil. It was during that 14 month period that the plaque grew from a small pea sized lump to a rock the size of a quarter. I can't help but wonder if I would have been on the VED during that rapid growth period if the VED would have stretched the plaque such that today I would have less bend. Since using the VED (9 months now), there has been additional growth so I can't be sure that it has helped although as I mentioned below, the theory behind it makes sense to me.

What is the opinion of any of you that have an opinion on the use of a VED when plaque growth is taking place? Would you recommend a VED at the initial onset of Peyronies or wait until it somewhat stabilizes?

And have any out there had bad experiences with VED's?

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

IMHO, the best time to start VED therapy for Peyronies Disease is at the initial onset and diagnosis. I wasted many years trying just about everything that included all the old wives tales, etc. At one point, even x-ray treatment was tried (45 3 minute bombardments) which did absolutely nothing. It is my belief that the quicker VED therapy is started, the better off one is with their therapy/treatment.

Yes, many of us have had at least one bad episode with VED usage. That is why you will see a caution note from any and all of us about using too much vacuum pressure with the VED. Overpumping the pressure can and will lead to edema of the foreskin (if not circumcized) and/or edema of the shaft skin. It can also cause the surface veins to be overextended and possibly rupture. So, bottom line, use our experience to keep out of trouble.

Regards, Old Man  

[Ptolemy]

Thanks Old Man. I understand the wisdom of caution and patience. More specifically though, has there been any adverse affect on the plaque using the VED? i.e. Speculation that VED usage may have triggered or in some manner fostered plaque growth. If no, it would seem to me that with prudent use of the VED there are no documented down side cases or horror stories.

I'm concerned about the size of my plaque. It has increased slightly since VED usage but the plaque may not be as hard. It's too early to tell and because I feel it multiple times every day, any change is based on what I can remember from previous months (is the plaque bigger or is it my imagination?)

[Old Man]

Ptolemy:

I can't speak for everyone about adverse effects of VED usage. In my case, there were none. My plaque was about the size of a quarter on the right side of the shaft. VED usage over an extended period of time did away with it. Then several years later, another plaque nodule appeared on the left side. My uro injected a number of verapamil shots into the plaque which seemed to aggravate it and caused the size to grow. We stopped the injections and resumed the VED treatment. This time it took about 6 months to eliminate this plaque.

Along with the VED therapy, I took large dosages of vitamin E, some C and a multi vitamin each day. So, under my regimen of therapy, I did not have any adverse side effects from the VED.

As I said, the above is only my individual case. Each case of Peyronies Disease has its own characteristics, so you have to look at the overall picture when considering VED therapy. Just remember that any treatment you do might could be beneficial toward reducing the symptoms. So, each person has to decide his approach to any therapy. Another consideration in the Peyronies Disease equation is the age that a person "gets" the problem. The older a man is, it seems to be harder to find an effective treatment, etc.

Be glad to help in any way, so feel free to ask any and all questions.

Old Man

[hector]

Does anyone know of a comparable but more affordable alternative to the $600 SOMAErectStf vaccuum erection device.  I have a limited income and no insurance, but would like to give VED a shot.

[hector]

I just noticed Augusta Medical Systems offers and over the counter VEDl they call the "Vitality" system.  Does anyone have experience with it, relative to the more expensive prescription VEDs?

[jackp]

I tried one of the over the counter VED's and it did not work well.
Uro Rx for Augusta Medical Ved with custom fit by the rep in his office was $450.00
I was not on medicare at the time and paid out of pocket. The Augusta Medical is far superior to the OTC one.
My .02 Cents
Jackp

[Old Man]

hector:

I endorse jackp's post to you. The Vitality VED would work fine if you were only going for erections. The Somaerect with the three cylinders is far superior to the one cylinder model VEDs. I have three VEDs, the Osbon Classic manual, the Osbon Esteem manual, (both of which are the one cylinder type) and, the Somaerect manual model. I had the best results using the Somaerect unit. However, if finances are of concern for you, you can make your own VED as Angus and Dr. Tim have done. Check back on the child board topics for how they did it, etc.

The three cylinder manual model should be the best choice for therapy for Peyronies Disease since it provides varying degrees of vacuum pressure as well as varying degrees of "confinement of the penis" in the small and medium sized cylinders. The 26 week protocol is designed to give the best overall therapy for Peyronies Disease based on my long term usage of VEDs.

So, as jackp says, I prefer the multi cylinder model VEDs for Peyronies Disease therapy. Most insurances will kick in some payment if the VED is prescribed by a uro or family physician with documented evidence of Peyronies Disease. Be sure to ask about that if you decide on using the VED and you visit your doc again.

Old Man

[Tim468]

jackp,

Would you be willing to share what model you tried? Either here or in PM would be fine with me - but I think it is important for us to share what we found helped and what hurt, and why.

Tim

[jackp]

Tim
The VED is the Augusta Medical System model EP3038. I only have one cylinder because of the custom fit in the Uro's office by the VED Rep. I have stiff fingers so I recommend the battery powered model.
A tip, the Wal-Mart brand gel works just as well as the expensive ones.  
Jackp

[Tim468]

Thanks Jack,

I was also interested in which one was "over the counter" that wasn't good.

Tim

[Kimo]

Hey Guy's, thought i'd report on my progress..I recently reported that i was hit with this disease now for the 3rd time,,didn't really bend this time but my penis looks really deformed....So i have taken the advise of Oldman and gotten on the wagon and have been using my Osbon Esteem VED....And i can say,,i don't know why i waited so long to get started.

In one week i have already noticed a big difference, i am already longer and bigger in girth than i have been in a long time. I will follow Oldman's instructions that he has provided, he is a wise old owl......everyone should take his advise, he really is trying to help all of us. He said to get the lube at walmart, i did,it was 2.00 a tube...

Since my wife is so bad ,,,she was just schedualed this week for a major back surgery in January, it's pretty much impossible for us to have intercourse, so now with the ved it has made it possible to masturbate and relieve some pressure, i'm really glad for Oldman's advise.

Thanks Oldman,,,,,your great. I will keep you all posted with my progress.

kimo

[Angus]

Good for you and glad to hear this. Stick with the program. After a few weeks you might hit a wall with the therapy where you think nothing much else is being accomplished. Remember how important it is to stay committed at all costs to daily VED use. Significant relief may well take longer than the 26 weeks so stay with it... if you do I'm sure a bigger payoff is down the road. This has worked well for Oldman, myself and others.  

[Angus]

VED construction hadn't been talked about here for a while, so this post is to make the subject a little more visible. It is possible to make a VED at home and you don't have to be rich to buy the parts. I have made VED's for myself that work great and Tim468 has made them as well. They are simple devices with no magic involved in their use. Below is a link to my post from a while back that describes how my VED's were made. All of them are safe to use. Tim has several posts back in this thread dealing with VED construction as well. The bottom line is: If you can't afford the $200US or so for a prescription VED, you can make one at home for a fraction of that amount of money.


https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,25.msg2539.html#msg2539

[Hawk]

If someone will track Tim's links and supplier links/post down (like maybe Tim   ),  I will make a post in the Resource Library that has all the VED construction links in one easy to find Post that has its own topic.  These tend to get lost even in the "Newly diagnosed board.

[ComeBacKid]

I noticed improvements mainly in flaccidness after 4 months on the program using the soma correct.  After quiting pumping, my results disappeared after about a month.  I do believe the ved is credible, and have heard enough guys say it works, key is to take it really slow, results will trickle in, and won't be seen for weeks.  Be patient and don't p ump that sucker up like a basketball!  

good luck,

comeback

[antony]

For the guys who say VED therapy does work, do you use it to improve a curvature or regain size, or for recover from impotence (i dont know individual cases of evrery one here) ?

[Angus]

The VED will improve curvature given enough time, and will help with size improvement by way of better blood flow, but will not make you bigger than what you were born with. I did not have impotence, just Peyronies Disease, but blood flow and erection function did improve for me with VED use. The VED therapy helped me go from a 45+ degree angle to well under 10 degrees which is less than some congenital curves guys have, so I call my VED therapy a success. Old Man... your turn!

[pal-31]

Guys,

Would you please share with us how you got your VED. Did you get a prescription ? did the insurance pay ? did you order over the net and recive it in the mail ? or you had to get it at the pharmacy etc.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Pal

[Old Man]

antony et al:

I agree with the previous post by Angus about what VED exercise therapy can do for one's Peyronies Disease syptoms. In my case, it brought my Peyronies Disease to a standstill and at the moment with no sign of Peyronies Disease. It gave me back the lost dimensions that developed with the Peyronies Disease after a radical prostatectomy in 1995. I had a 45 degree downward and a 45 degree curve to the right. The bend(s) occurred about midway down the shaft when flacid as well as erect. It took about 6 months of daily VED exercises to see any results and another 6 months to get rid of the remaining symptoms.

However, since a non nerve sparing radical surgery left me totally impotent, the VED is the only means of achieving an erection. It gives me the best erections I ever had. The therapy is still done three or four times a week just to keep what I have gained back from its use. As ComeBacKid says, if the maintenance therapy schedule is not maintained, one can lose what has been gained through the VED use.

In my experience over the past 13 years since the radical surgery, I have worked with many guys on and off this forum with VED therapy. There only a few cases that I know of that did not benefit in some way with their VED usage. Some gained a lot, others gained somewhat and only one or two failed to realize any help. This could have been due to the fact that they did not adhere to a daily schedule of exercises.

As Angus stated, blood flow is the key to a health penis. So, anything that promotes better blood flow on a regular basis can and will improve penile health.

Old Man

[antony]

Ok thanks, i know it will not give bigger size than when you were born (it's ok i had good size before the accident), but can it help to regrow as original size or about? As for me i don't have a big curvature, even a little one, but a very big shrinkage of size and impotence.
I will try to get the soma erect , Old man has already spoken to me about that, but i was (for the moment) rejected by the prices.
And my goal is to recover erections, i would do it in this direction, not only make better a curvature, coz it's not really my problem, but i was asking myself it if was good for Peyronies Disease or for all types of impotence by total fibrosis. But i was told it could create more scars too, so i'm really in doubt. What is sure is, as Old man says, if i do nothing now, it wont recover by itself and could stay like that for life. At the point where i am, even if it makes more scars, its worth to try it. I will try to get this soma erect so.

[Old Man]

pal31:

My VED was prescribed by my uro after my radical prostatectomy since it was a non nerve sparing one. It left me totally impotent. Since I am on Medicare with supplemental insurance coverage, it was paid for my those insurances. The uro group that I use had the VEDs for sale through their office with a factory qualified technician who taught me how to use it properly.

All medical quality VEDs must be prescribed by a physician. As far as I know, any and all prescriptions for a VED must be for ED therapy. They have been turned down by most insurance companies for Peyronies Disease. Over the counter type VEDs are usually not of good durable quality and soon fail so be careful if you should choose one of those.

Most insurance companies will pay at least a portion of the cost if prescribed by a physician or urologist. I would suggest that if you are considering purchasing a VED that you query your insurance company as to whether or not they will pay for one for ED.

There are several good medical quality VEDs on the market. I will not name any company or companies on the forum to perserve the integrity of its policy against that, but will be glad to furnish my known sources in PMs though.

Also, one can make their own as Angus and Dr. Tim have done. Prior posts on this topic lists the link to how they made theirs.

Old Man

[antony]

Thanks, i had not seen your answer i posted mine just when you had posted yours.

But the thing i'm not sure: i understood that i had helped you a lot with Peyronies Disease symptoms, but: did you have the impotence with these Peyronies Disease symptoms, impotence by fibrosis? i know you had total impotence after the prostate surgery, but before? The same as Angus, had it helped you to correct the curvature, or to recover some erections lost by Peyronies Disease ?

I would be ready to do it daily if it really helps. What makes me doubting is that, on all sites that deal with fibrosis, they tell 'if fibrosis lead to total impotence' (like a Peyronies Disease when very well developed, or a bad scarring after a shock like me or Ron, or after a priapism like PainIsGrowth), the only solution is implant. VED is not mentionned as a solution.

Also, is that normal that penis size continues to decrease regularly?? has somebody had it (expet Ron who i know is the same)

[Old Man]

antony:

I have had Peyronies Disease since the age of 24. During those past 54 plus years, have had just about any symptom you can think of with this mess. It has occurred and regressed several times during that period of time.

Yes, my impotence occurred as a side effect of the non nerve sparing radical surgery. It was never experienced before the surgery nor from fibrosis of my penis.

Have never had as much fibrosis as you seem to exhibit. I do firmly believe that using a VED on a moderate basis can and will help with better blood flow through your corporal chambers. Whether or not it would help with your fibrosis, I have no clue. You would just have to try using the VED on a regular daily basis over a period of time to determine if the exercises will help.

Old Man

[antony]

Ok thanks Old Man, i knew you had Peyronies Disease young but i was not sure if you had suffered from ED by Peyronies Disease or fibrosis.
I will try but my penis has changed so much anatomy and consistance (even the sperm has totaly changed of look, constitution, etc, i dont know how it is possible i'm disgusted) that i dont see how it could return to normal, but i will see for order soma erect as soon as i can.

[Liam]

even the sperm has totaly changed of look, constitution, etc, i dont know how it is possible i'm disgusted

Maybe something else is going on. I'd report this new symptom to your urologist.  I've never heard of this related to Peyronies Disease.  I don't think a VED will help sperm production  

[jackp]

old man & antony
My 100% ED is from fibrosis, scar tissue, in the corporas.
My loss of size is from the Peyronies and fibrosis. I have lost about 1 inch or 3cm that brings me down to 4.5 inches in the VED. I can not use the constriction bands they are too painful with the fibrosis.
Do Not get over zealous with the VED, I did and caused penis skin erosion that took 3 months to heal.
Old Man you are the VED Pro. right now I use the VED about 4 days a week to keep what I have while waiting on the Implant. Try not to over pump and cause skin erosion again. What do you recommend?
My Uro#2 did make the comment after the failed implant procedure about my fibrosis, he said, "no wonder you have so much trouble getting an erection."
Uro#2 also said that the fibrosis was made worse by the tri-mix shots. He believes that the PGE1 in the shots is a cause of fibrosis in patients with Peyronies. (Wish Like #$%^^ he had told me that before he gave a script for trimix.)
My advise to anyone with Peyronies DO NOT DO SHOTS FOR ERECTIONS. In my case the shots did not work even full strength at 100 units.
Even with my troubles I feel blessed in some ways. Old Man had Peyronies at 24. My curve started at about 52 and corrected about a year later with Vitamin E and Potaba. Stupid me thought I was rid of Peyronies Disease but it went to the corporas and started fibrosis there. I have not had cancer only BPH which Saw Palmetto keeps under control. If we look there is a bright side to everything. Going to a new uro next month and I understand that he teaches the implant procedure at least once a week.
This is getting too long. You guys have a good day. Rain is only Liquid Sunshine.
Jackp

[Old Man]

jackp:

I underscore what you said in your post about injections to one's penis. Know from experience that any invasion in the erectile tissue with a needle can and will cause problems. After my verapamil injections, I developed Peyronies Disease all over again after getting rid of the symptoms for the most part. My statement is this: NEVER GET INJECTIONS IN YOUR PENIS UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY DEEMED NECESSARY!

Now, having said that, I agree with you about the implant. Read with much interest your PM to me about your history with ED. ED is becoming more and more of a problem for many guys. I just wish that I could get the message out to all young men around the world - "take good care of your manhood while young so that you won't develop the problems we now face as we get older."

Let me know if there is ever anything that I can help you with.

Regards, Old Man

[antony]

Liam : i spoke about that to urologist; he just says 'it's ok don't worry' what can i do , i have no force now, doctors are about all the sames in this sphere of medicine, i did a spermoculture (no bacteria found) but it's not a problem of bacteria, it's the 'structure', the 'looking', the 'consitution' of the sperm which has changed, before it was like fluid and went out from penis in 'ejection', with 'force', now , when i arrive to the moment of ejaculation, the penis becomes incredibly hard, as if it was 'congestioned' in every tissues, and the sperm just goes out from urethra slowly, with no force, not in expulsion, and with a crazy 'structure', it looks like piece of glue, if it continues like that, i bet i will never be able to have kids, it's like 'non fertile' sperm. Don't know what is there, coz doctors say nothing , i put pressure on the last one, he just told me to do a new spermoculture, pffff. Anyway i know VED will not help for that. Only my generalist doctor thinks maybe because of the torsion/twisting of penis, maybe urethra is no more right inside, and so also twisted, so the sperm can't be ejected by a 'right' way, but follows the twisting in expulsion, so can't be ejected with force, but it does not explain the structure of it. It's as if all my penis was rotten, from inside and outside.

Jack P : but i have a question : what exams did you pass to be sure it was fibrosis (even if we know it,  but do you have a medical exam proof?? Like echo doppler, or MRI, or anything, that SHOWS this crap fibrosis?)?
I doubt of VED for the reasons you mention, that i'm scared to create penis skin erosion, i have enough problem like that, and not sure it's useful to recover natural erection and original size. I bet it's useful for correct a curvature or help in a 'classical' Peyronies Disease, but my case leaves me skeptical.
Do you feel with your hand the fibrosis in your corpus cavernosa, or does the urologist feel them?
You say PGE1 injections are no good for fibrosis (i don't use them anyway, i only had 2 of them for making doppler and test), but i was told they are often given to people after prostate cancer and surgery, in order precisely to prevent from fibrosis?

Anto

[Angus]

even the sperm has totaly changed of look, constitution, etc, i dont know how it is possible i'm disgusted

Maybe something else is going on. I'd report this new symptom to your urologist.  I've never heard of this related to Peyronies Disease.  I don't think a VED will help sperm production  

  Dehydration will cause thickening of spermatic fluid... if you're not drinking enough water this will happen and it will become thick and "dribble" out. Drink lots of water... many glasses a day not only for this but for general health. Coffee and soda pop doesn't count... water is needed. If this continues, I'm with Liam... report this to your urologist so he has all the information... the more you tell him... like Everything you notice, increases his chances of figuring out what's going on with you. I'm certainly not a doctor, but dehydration has caused this with me in the past. Tell your uro Everything.  

[antony]

Thanks for advice Angus.I think i drink lot of water, but maybe not enough.
I told urologist but he seems to doesn"t mind so much 'dont worry, dont worry'.
I admit it's makes bad effect to see this thing.

[Tim468]

Not sure this relates at all to VEDs...

Low "sperm" output (we are apparently talking about semen which contains sperm) is often due to retrograde ejaculation wherein semen goes East instead of West - it goes backwards up into the bladder where it mixes with the urine. A diagnosis can include a urinalysis after ejaculation to see if sperm are mixed in the urine.

Another reason is a low testosterone count. In the face of a rapid fibrosis, I would worry more about what the testosterone level was.

Tim

[antony]

In fact the theory is that coz the penis is damaged, so the urethra is maybe no more 'right' too, and that the sperm can't be ejected normally, following a 'right' way, but a way in 'diagonal'. And we don't know why the 'structure' has changed.

But here is not a case of retrograde ejaculation (often caused by medicine like alpha-bloquant used in prostate adenome), my ejacultation does not goes up into bladder, it goes out by urethra, we can see it, but not ejected, just like 'drop after drop', and with a very disgusting 'hard-glue' structure.
I bet it deals with the penis damage, coz 2 persons who have had exactly the same problem i have, appeared in the same circumstances, also have this symptom, with no answer from doctor.

I will re-chek my testosterone but the other day when i did the blood analysis, it was all normal (after, was it well done? i don't know, but the laboratory told me all blood analyses -and testosterone level- are normal -and better than that:despite the fact i eat often sweety things (sugar) -i say that coz i saw a post on food-, my levels of cholesterol was really low, so it seemed to be ok here too)

[George999]

Antony, FYI there is simply no "right way" for sperm to be ejaculated nor is there any special consistency to the ejaculate itself.  These vary from person to person and they will change many times during your lifetime.  Worrying about them is a waste of time and psychological energy.  The main thing to be concerned about is to get both your PSA tested and your prostate physically checked anally on an annual basis.  And you should periodically check your own testes for abnormal lumps or changes.  Other than that, rest at peace.  - George

[antony]

George, it was maybe coz of my english, what i wanted to mean by 'the right way', was more 'straight away' (the direction). I mean: before my penis was pointing right and straight away so ejaculation followed this 'straight way', now it is damaged,there is like a torsion (twisting), like a form of the letter 'S', so the sperm, instead of going straight away, follows the 'S' and so is ejected with no force at all, but drop after drop. For the change of structure, it's both strange and disgusting, and happened really after my penis trauma, but no doctor knows.

For the prostate, i had 'rectal touch' (by 2 diferent uros and neurologist too) who said prostate is soft, no painful, normal size, so probably does not come from that. They told me PSA was more in suspission of cancer, but at my age and after 'clinical' exam with finger, there was no chance of that.

But what makes worry is that all hapenned at the same time after this shock, and if one day i recover erection or normal penis (what is not evident now far from it), i feel as if i could be sterile (non fertile sperm) too.

[Dani]

George, it was maybe coz of my english, what i wanted to mean by 'the right way', was more 'straight away' (the direction).

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