What exactly is the point of VED? Do I need to do it if I can get erections?

[ohnoohno]

So I'm about 1 year into my peyronies journey, it's gotten worse over time unfortunately and I have no idea if this was due to me using the VED or just peyronies itself... I actually left my penis alone for 3-5 days a couple months back and when I started treatment again I noticed it was worse so not sure...

Anyways, I can still get erect if aroused and of course when taking cialis too I have night time erections etc... I am wondering should I continue using VED or is it only to get erect?

Plan to get implant later on but until then...

[Pfract]

Well, the VED doesn't cause injury unless you overpump. It helps to stretch out the penis and oxygenate it, especially combined with medication. It's a matter of staying consistent with your usage and following a protocol.

If you are trying to improve the condition then keep using it. If your erections are satisfactory, there's no need.  

[Sonic]

I am not a VED expert so really I shouldn't talk here. But logically speaking I am not suprised so many on here end up damaging themselves when almost everyone are using pumps without a pressure gauge. People literally have no idea how much vacuum they are producing in numbers whereas with a pump like LA pump and similar there is a pressure gauge so that one can be 100% certain you are always pumping within a safe range.

If one applies too much vacuum force, which can be very ease due to medical pumps mostly lacking a pressure gauge it can indeed cause more harm than good.

[ohnoohno]

Yeah simply no idea lol, going to give it a shot for a week see how it looks after and decide.

Either way I am 90% likely getting implant at this point so just want to make sure I prepare myself to have the best success when it comes down to it (aka regain length/straightness)

 

[Sonic]

Yeah simply no idea lol, going to give it a shot for a week see how it looks after and decide.

Either way I am 90% likely getting implant at this point so just want to make sure I prepare myself to have the best success when it comes down to it (aka regain length/straightness)

Alright brother. I think Dr Hakky or maybe someone else has a specific implant protocol prior to implants for this purpose. If you can't find it online I'll try look it up. I think someone on here even recently did that pumping protocol before getting his implant. It could be the guy with username Trapper.

Edit: It was indeed trapper and here is what he wrote

''I'm scheduled for surgery with Dr. Hakky on April 4th. He told me to pump my dick up to a full erection and hold it and release for 5 cycles (10 minutes) daily.

So it seems Dr Hakky recommends that shortly before getting an implant you should pump up to full erection and hold for 2 minutes and perform 5 cycles.

2 minute holds x 5 cycles = 10 minutes as trapper wrote.

[ohnoohno]

Thanks mate

[IwillbeatPD]

Honestly man, I wondered the same thing for a long time. The point of the VED is to get blood flow. But when you get an erection, or even use heat, it does the same thing. If you get an erection and maintain it for 10-15 minutes a day, that would seem better (and 100% safer) than using a VED. At the end of the day a VED still isn't natural. You're not supposed to get an erection by a device sucking blood into your dick. Read soooo many horror stories about injuries from
VED, and I'm pretty sure dr Trost says NOT to use it.

One of the only advantages I ever thought was, when using the small cylinder-it keeps your penis straight as it becomes erect and holds it in a straight position the whole time as it can't bend in the small tube. For those with a curve this probably wouldn't work or you'd have to use the large cyclinder. Anyway,you could create this same affect with a natural erection by GENTLY stretching it out straight. I say stretching- NOT pulling or forcing. Huge difference- be smart. Only a very gentle pressure in the opposite direction, and out while keeping your erection. To me this is somewhat training your penis to go the right direction. Modeling your penis- if you will.

100% just my opinion on the matter- not claiming to be a doctor here

Also, if you can have sex safely, I would. At times I've had sex 3 times in a night while on tadalfil. Imagine the amount of blood flow and stretch your penis gets from that amount of time erect. Not to mention, the tadalfil is going to make the stretch that much greater from the extra blood flow.

It's like physical therapy to me, same concept. You need to USE your dick and get the internal tracfion of a natural erection. And also the external traction from something like stretching or restorex. I use both and have lost zero length and have no curve, only the hourglass. Makes me wonder what I would look like if I didn't do anything- probably not good though.

 

[ohnoohno]

What horror stories have you heard from VED as I havent seen much but I feel like I could be amongst these cases. I saw a picture of my penis a few months after I had gotten peyronies the other day and it genuinely made me sad knowing despite having this condition it wasn't as bad as it is now.

I've lost a considerable amount of length too which is brutal.

If I could go back in time I would have literally never touched it with VED or manual traction, I would have just not touched my penis at all apart from taking cialis.

My only real hope is the implant.

[IwillbeatPD]

What horror stories have you heard from VED as I havent seen much but I feel like I could be amongst these cases. I saw a picture of my penis a few months after I had gotten peyronies the other day and it genuinely made me sad knowing despite having this condition it wasn't as bad as it is now.

Have you tried restorex? I was a little late to the game with that but firmly believe in it. Oddly enough, my penis is MORE straight now than before Peyronies Disease. I saw some pics yesterday from 2017, I swear it's acfually straight now after Peyronies Disease and using restorex. Initially I stretched against the curve. Now that it's pretty much straight, I just do a straight stretch for 30 min 1-2 times a day. Feels amazing and I actually think it could have given me even more length. You stretch anything enough and it will adapt, seems like common sense to me. At the very least I think it can help you maintain your size.

Like you, I'm in a tough place of continuing to be careful in sex it getting an implant. Made another post recently if you want the full story, but meeting with dr Clavell next month to talk about it. Regardless of that apt, I don't think I'd proceed until January for insurance reasons.

I've lost a considerable amount of length too which is brutal.

If I could go back in time I would have literally never touched it with VED or manual traction, I would have just not touched my penis at all apart from taking cialis.

My only real hope is the implant.

What changes happened lately with your penis?

For the VED stories, so many here have damaged veins, arteries-like serious injuries. Forcing blood flow into an area is risky. With a natural erection it's controlled. With a VED you could literally explode every vein in your penis if you pumped enough. Not a risk I'm willing to take. That said, I have tried it and thankfully was super careful going in- but stopped just because I don't believe in it. And it's risky as hell. Natural erections are better imo.

 

[bentoboy]

Can you please elaborate on the connection between VED and the vein damage? I have been using VED for over a year and considered it to be a useful tool to minimise the damange of Peyronies. However, recently the veins on my penis substantially enlarged, and I suspect that VED was the cause. I have no issues with erection and can have sex, although I keep on getting more and more bumps/plaque/scar tissue all across the penis and not sure what the cause is. I've been thinking about stopping VED and traction for some time to see what happens

From my perspective, VED really helped to stretch the tissue and maybe even slow the progression of Peyronies for some time (at the first stages). Now I can barely see any added value of VED and it might actually be damaging the tissue  

[IwillbeatPD]

The VED quite literally pulls blood into your dick. The way the blood gets there is through the veins. The difference between this and a natural erection is the natural erection isn't forcing anything. I'm no doctor but I think it starts with you being stimulated mentally or physically- which then creates blood flow to your dick and you get an erection. Your body isn't going to send so much blood flow to your dick that it's going to explode the veins. However, with a VED- there is nothing natural about that. It's a ARTIFICIALY created erection made by forcing blood into your dick. Because it's artificial, you can absolutely pump too hard and destroy the veins in your penis. That alone was reason for me to not want to continue it. Not to mention, I always questioned the long term affect of creating artificial erection after artificial erection. I always opt for the natural route, and I'm not sure I would trust that constant VED use wouldn't cause at least some level of issues. Do I think 10-20 uses would do anything? Prob not. But what about 500 times? 1000 times? I would only recommend a VED to someone who can't get a natural erection even with pills. I legit don't see a reason to use the VED if you can get a natural erection. You'll find differing opinions on this topic- this is mine. At the end of the day you'll have to form your own opinion.

On a side note- when you weight train your veins become more pronounced. That's the body preparing for extra blood needed for your muscles. So, I wouldn't necessarily worry about that in my non doctor opinion. I'd only be worried if you said you bruised your dick or it turned purple or something. I'd ask yourself this though...how will your natural erections be after creating so many artificial ones? Let's say your veins got bigger from the VED, but then you stop using it. What then? Are you veins now too big for the normal amount of blood flow from a natural erection? I don't know the answers to that but it would certainly be on my mind if I was using a VED regularly  

[IwillbeatPD]

Also, I wouldn't think your additional plaque is caused from VED use, but prob more so from the sex you're having with a peyronies penis. If you're not hard enough it can cause damage over time. Shoot, I was hard a while back and my dick slipped out and it hurt like HELL. Sure enough, now I have a small bump on that part in addition to my normal plaque. You'll read countless stories here about guys who continue to damage their penis and it only gets worse.

Let me be clear, I don't blame you at all for having sex still and if anything I would recommend it- even with the risk for damage. The alternative is no sex and less elections which is also a problem physically and mentally for you. You can only do the best you can- which sounds like you are. Have safe sex as long as you can. If you develop enough plaque or issues that you can't then it's time for an implant. That's the boat I'm in. I have careful sex and will continue that as long as I can. If it ever becomes a real problem where I can't or it's just way too unstable even with tadalfil- then for sure I'm getting an implant. Hope this helps man

[bentoboy]

Thanks for your answer,

Honestly, I am quite sure that the plaque/scarring had not been caused by sex as I was not particularly sexually active for a few years (because of Peyronies). Scarring usually appeared unexpectedly and when there was  no sex or any other factor that could cause it.

In fact, the emerging of new plaque correlates with me doing VED and traction on daily basis (I have no other explanation). At the same time, I find sex to be quite healing and not much affecting my condition. I noticed that after sex my condition looks much better and I feel better overall (increased blood flow). My view is that sex is not affecting much my condition provided I avoid situations when my penis bends too much. Also, I read something about sex activating some hormones that promote minor healing, which could also be useful maybe?