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IwillbeatPD

Hey everyone-

Just replied to another post with this and thought this would be a good thread to start for those of you who are single and trying to navigate this whole situation. Do you date with pyronies? What if you can't have sex? What if you don't know if you can have sex? Do you tell the girl? Do you not?


So many questions we all face, so hopefully this gives some perspective as I have pyronies with a slight curve, hourglass and hinging...but have been dating successfully.

In my head I've bounced around between implant, PEG, and ETG. Ultimately the two that would even be reasonable right now are implant and ETG. I realize being just a few months in is very early to be thinking about any of the above- but I'm a proactive guy and want to be prepared for anything that could come. Just educating myself.

In any case, due to recent events I don't think I'd do an implant. By recent events, I mean I actually attempted to have sex, twice, and both times were fine- even though the first time I was freaking out wondering if I could or if my dick would break. Anyway, I proceeded with caution of course and didn't go all out like the old me would have. I was careful and certainly didn't let her get on top. If anything felt weird I adjusted positions. One girl of course asked to get on top, in which I pretended I just "forgot" before finishing lol...but the story ended well both times. I do have to say, the mental satisfaction of just knowing you can have sex is incredibly satisfying. For those of you who go into hiding or isolation- I truly believe that's one of the worst things you could do for your mental health and your penis. Please don't do that. I've met plenty of girls who literally told me they wanted to wait a long time to even have sex. Now back to the story... Even if it's slow or careful sex- I'll take it. Oral sex has been fine too and I've had no issue there. I did wonder if the girl thought anything of the hinge, but honestly I don't think any of them noticed. I don't think it's uncommon for any guy to not be just rock hard EVERY time. So I would assume if she noticed any bending she assumed I was maybe 75% hard-which has truthfully happened in the past even pre pyronies.

Now back to evaluating options and solutions..., I think everyone needs to evaluate their exact situation and what's right for them. So many factors to consider honestly it would be too much to even try to list. For me, I have to ask myself. Assuming my condition stays the same-would I be okay with having careful sex the rest of my life? Or would I proceed with surgery (implant or ETG). Honestly, even though I don't like my situation I've accepted it. It's like a sports injury. If you tear your bicep, sure, you can do SOME things with the bicep after...but it will never be 100%. But 80% could be good enough for most- so you accept it and make life modifications accordingly. It's the same with pyronies for me. I'm modifying my sex life for the next 1-2 years. According to Dr Trost, and members of the forum, hourglass tends to show SOME improvement after a couple years. The hourglass smooths from what I read and it feels less disconnected. I firmly believe in the body's ability to heal and adapt- as with any injury. So my hope is in 1-2 years I'm a little better (cosmetically and functionally). If I'm not, then I'll certainly explore ETG. Or maybe an even better option is available then. But I think skipping ETG and going straight to implant at 36 is overkill, especially if I can have some type of sex now. I do understand the guys here who are sick of dealing with this and have been at it for years though. I mean we all make a choice. If you're completely miserable, can't have sex, etc...I'd do the implant in a heart beat. But if you can have sex, and you're still happy even with a couple adjustments to your sex life- I'd say wait on the implant.

I like to have a girl on top as much as any guy....but would I rather have a girl on top or would
I rather have my own natural (and functional) penis? Would I rather have an implant and go through the downtime, revisions, risks, paint points of being single with an implant constantly trying to hide it...or...not do anything, have no risk, and make minor modifications to my sex life (like telling a girl she can't get on top due to a sports injury).

Sorry, long post, but I hope this gives some perspective to anyone struggling with what to do.

I will say, cosmetically, I may eventually due ETG regardless if after a couple years the hourglass still bothers me. But from what I read, this procedure is generally a walk in the park compared to others with very minimal risk.

Ultimately, I just want to create a place where you single guys can talk. PLEASE, don't stop dating. Don't isolate, don't stop working out, don't stop being you. Shoot, if anything use this time to better yourself!

I think often times guys here start thinking that girls are dating you for your actual dick, believe me, that's not the case. Typically girls (quality ones) are much more focused on what you have to offer outside of the bedroom anyway. Any girl worth your while would be understanding of your situation as mentioned multiple times on this forum.

Perspective! It matters so much. Think positive. I've been less active here for this reason. I will be checking in on occasion, but I'm living my life as usual, I'm dating, and I'm being positive! I really hope you all choose to do the same. I'm certainly not waking up daily and thinking about my penis all day. It's a choice. You can let it run (and ruin) your life, or it could be like any other minor
Adjustment you made in life due to an unforeseen circumstance.


Fit 37 year old athlete. Hinging and hourglass began Sep 2022. Tried VED, Restorex, tadalafil with no improvement. Implanted by Dr Hakky 11/28/23 with Titan touch XXL 26 cm no RTE's. Pre op 8.25Lx 5ish G. Post implant: 8.25 L x 5.5 G

Mikel7

You have a very good outlook and have conquered the worrying and obsessing phase that a lot of us go through in the beginning. Stick with your treatment plan and hopefully your condition will not get worse and you are out of the acute stage. Having the idea for an implant should not be one on your list.  
Lump 4/2020, age 63 , Dr Levine 6-26-20, Dors Curve 11/2020, Peyronies
Vit E400mg, COQ10, Heat Therapy, Penimaster, Pentox, Cialis, Restorex
SNHL 7/2020 - Stopped all Meds because ototoxicity  Heat/traction/VED are working. CPPS Diagnosis - Stable :)

Sonic

Good post. As for what you should do I really can't say. I understand any mans fear of getting an implant installed. My situation is at a point where this might be the only option in the future for me and it is a very scary thought. The risk of infection, the pain post surgery, the fact that you can never get erect again naturally and above all the risk of having to perform revisions. This is not an easy choice to take for any man in particular when you like me, live in a place where high volume surgeons really isn't a thing.

I envy those men who have this disease and find a way to constantly stay positive. For me it has been a painful journey of ups and downs. Sometimes I am positive, sometimes I fall into deep holes where I get incredibly down. Right now I am in one of those holes. Have not excercised in a month and feel like doing nothing. While my friends all have normal sex lives I am alone here in the dark with a disease that has crushed my sex life to bits and yet somehow I must find motivation to stay positive through all this.

It is a very tough task but I'll keep fighting. I have not been intimate with anyone since the winter of 2021. This is where the Narrowing, dents instability Erectile Dysfunction and hinge started. Prior to this it was only a curve but the rest was normal. I don't even want to think the thought about having sex in this state I will 100% end up with a fracture and this worry also makes the Erectile Dysfunction worse.
30 years. Sudden rightwards curve detected in June 2020
Narrowing on right side and about a 20° curve to the right.
ED + instability due to narrowing.

Indenialguy

I'm not single, but as a young guy who has faced the fear of being single due to my penis problems I just wanted to say this is indeed a fantastic post and I wanted to second the fact that shutting yourself away from women is the last thing you should do.

I have suffered from issues with my penis On and off for around 5 years (this includes loss of girth, weaker erections, length loss.) I was convinced my partner would leave me the second my problems started as it was a relatively new relationship and we were still in our mid 20's at the time.
I now sit here 5 years later engaged with a kid and another one due in March. Women, don't, care. Some will, but the good ones won't.

Honestly, we all know how awful this is on our mental health etc, but to the guys that are locking themselves away and giving up, please try and get yourself back out there. Women really aren't as obsessed with cocks as we all are, especially by a certain age they just want a good man who will treat them well.

Great Post and great energy!  
32 yo UK
Engaged with two young children
Injured 2017, healed
RE injured Sept 2022
Chronic flaccid pain since 2nd injury
Starting 5mg cialis daily, trying to obtain pentox online

Possible hard flaccid, possible Peyronie's, possible nerve damage

FrankPD

All of our situations are diff but this is some good sincere writing.  

Thanks for instilling the confidence!  

Stay safe!
I have a girlfriend
Age 48, No injury
Diagnosis January 2022  
Six plaques
Hourglassing when flaccid and semi-erect
Only have my congenital curve
Massaging with vitamin E cream twice a day 
5mg Tadalafil, Healthy diet
Discomfort/aching sometimes

Trapper

Quote from: IwillbeatPD on January 04, 2023, 12:02:06 AMI like to have a girl on top as much as any guy....but would I rather have a girl on top or would
I rather have my own natural (and functional) penis? Would I rather have an implant and go through the downtime, revisions, risks, paint points of being single with an implant constantly trying to hide it...or...not do anything, have no risk, and make minor modifications to my sex life (like telling a girl she can't get on top due to a sports injury).


I think I would take the implant over watching my dick thin down to the width of the hourglass so it looks uniform and is more functional. That said giving up natural erection is scary To each his own though big decision taking the step for surgery. Personally I just don't want to lose anymore girth and restore what was lost.  
33 years old, symptoms started early 20's but never really bothered me until the last two years
Trimix worked well but caused more scarring. 
Titan 24CM XL+ 1 CM RTE'S Dr. Hakky 4/4/23
Hyaluronic acid penis filler by Dr. Hakky June 2023

Dan1

Ugh dating is just terrible lol.

Since my long term relationship ended 4 years ago, I've only been able to be happy when I isolate myself and pretend sex or love just isn't an option.

I'm aware of how destructive that is however, so every few months I'll work up the strength to try and date someone or have a sexual encounter.

To have any success with an erection I need to do Nofap for two months and have my diet and body under strict control. Typically though I fail to perform and it leads to a shameful situation.

The problem I run into, is that even if I am successful once or twice, it is usually not pleasurable for me, and leads to pain and inflammation.

Once the pain kicks in I will start becoming focused on my condition again, which makes future erections near impossible, and thoughts of self hatred very likely.

I find that even more painful than sex, is any kind of cuddling or post-pillow talk. Just laying next to a partner you're attracted to, but physically can't enjoy, can be very weird and traumatizing. It's like the feeling of human connection is right there, but there's this barrier you can't quite break through. Like putting your feet in beach sand, only you can't take off your rain boots.

All my experiences have led me to contemplate whether I'd be happier with someone or alone. I am an introvert after all. I have a date this Saturday so I'm still trying, but it really feels like I'm doing nothing but triggering my trauma each time, which then takes weeks to recover from. The better the person I meet, the worse the situation.
37, Single, Started in 2003.
Bend was 60 degrees down/left in 2021. Now 50 w/new scar formation.
Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6. Fasting, pills, traction, topical therapies, red light, sunlight, daily Viagra, simply not obsessing over it.

Hawk

Have you ever tried the approach of a date or two without sex or foreplay?  This would be a date designed around an event (concert, art show, lecture, etc).  Develop a relationship first.  Then, openly confide that you are struggling with an issue.  Make it clear you like them, love closeness and intimacy, but need to be able to experience that without demands.  You and your body will perform better with that relaxed atmosphere of "NO PRESSURE".  Learn to experiment without pressure and no rush.  Take 2 hours cuddling, touching, and savoring each other.  I think the woman will be VERY satisfied because you will learn to be a much better lover.  Most women think intercourse is far over-rated as compared to what we will call outer-course.  

The game of casual sex before building a relationship and personal intimacy is a losing game for shallow people. It is not a game that someone in your situation is going to find very fulfilling.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Dan1

Yes I've only had sexual experiences with someone after getting to know them through dates, with the exception of one girl I met at a friend's cottage, and one whom the first date went really well.

My love life has typically consisted of me being in relationships that last 3-10 years starting from when I was 16. Today at 37 however, I've found dating moves faster, and I'll often be the one turning down advances until I feel more comfortable.

This in itself has become a problem however, because I'm basically never comfortable anymore, and so by always waiting for these perfect moments of "No pressure" I've let multiple experiences and potential partners get away. It's something I'm working on.

I think after my peyronies progressed beyond a certain point, it's become a bit less about the stresses of trying to pleasure her, and a bit more about dealing with the fact that I myself can no longer feel pleasure. Even receiving a blowjob just feels awkward.

So like I've communicated with trusting people and entered relationships with those who appear happy with cuddling or me almost exclusively giving them oral. But even if this leads to a few fleeting moments of happiness, it almost always ends up manifesting into negative thoughts about myself that I've only been able to get rid of once I isolate. Words of affirmation rarely work on me.

But there's so many conflicting thoughts that go into all of this.

You seek touch, but touch causes pain.

You seek acceptance, but can't accept yourself.

Isolating helps me get a lot of my negative thoughts under control, but it inevitably leads to loneliness and then a new type of depression forms.

I'm still alive though.

Tomorrow I try again.

2pm mimosas with a girl I haven't seen in a decade.

And regardless of if it goes good or bad, there's some tea and a hockey game waiting for me when I get home.
37, Single, Started in 2003.
Bend was 60 degrees down/left in 2021. Now 50 w/new scar formation.
Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6. Fasting, pills, traction, topical therapies, red light, sunlight, daily Viagra, simply not obsessing over it.

Hawk

Dan,

I understand your thinking and concerns.  I can tell you have thought a lot about this.  I wonder if there are any underlying issues like general depression unassociated with Peyronies Disease or maybe even some natural introvert issues (although it does not sound like the latter because you get lonesome for company).

I understand you to say that the thought and the actual experience of laying and touching, kissing, etc without pressure does not appeal to you or seem to remove the stress and improve your confidence to proceed.  If I am understanding correctly, why do you think this is the case?  Does your mind drift to obsessing over your condition? Is there any chance your libido is just diminished, unrelated to Peyronies Disease?

Both of these have solutions.

What are your thoughts?
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Dan1

First off, Hawk. Thank you for taking the time to read what I wrote and even responding. I wasn't expecting that.

I've been through 20 years of this, from some moments of recovery that have led to confidence and great sex, to other moments of rapid progression that have taken me to dark places. Ultimately though the trajectory has been downward.

I bring this up because I feel like I've been through my periods where having erectile dysfunction was purely mental, and I was able to overcome it to one degree or another. Like maybe I was nervous over revealing my penis to one particular partner, or maybe it had just been too long since I was last active.

The difference today however, is that I no longer like the feeling of having an erection. It is sometimes painful, yes, but that's an oversimplification. It's also numb and awkward feeling, and overall makes me uncomfortable.

This causes a problem, because now if I do step out, meet someone nice, get into bed, and beat all my regular blocks to succeed in getting an erection, I kind of end up hating it. Sex doesn't feel good. Oral doesn't feel good. My penis just doesn't seem to feel good no matter what. So a session often becomes about trying to satisfy the girl while pretending it's good for me too. And then a week of soreness follows.

This lack of sexual satisfaction has caused me some psychological problems. Because while I still greatly desire feeling physical pleasure and connecting with women in that way, the actual experience has now become associated with negatives, which means I'm back to more of those cases of mental erectile dysfunction which I thought I had almost defeated.

But it's not just sex that's a problem.

Like you asked why cuddling for two hours doesn't appeal to me. Well it appeals to me greatly. But the problem is that getting close to someone in that way also causes blood flow, and even a small amount starts causing my scars to stretch, tightness to form, and different types of pain depending on the day.

I may sometimes be able to enjoy those moments, but usually I can't get passed the pinches of discomfort without being reminded of why I'm sad. And even if it's a strictly romantic situation where she's agreed to no sex, I often can't help but feel like... damn... I wish that I was healthy and we could.

All of this has caused my brain into a mental paradox that's probably more complicated than I've been able to describe. Any kind of feeling of love or romance, or even just general happiness, may now directly lead to physical or mental anguish. And what works one day as a coping mechanism may not work the next.

It's why if I'm in the dating scene for long enough, my brain eventually can't handle it. Having someone dress beautiful around you, putting on perfume, and telling you that you're attractive, can be highly traumatizing for me in the long run.

To use a metaphor: It's like being a food lover and telling yourself you're going to try and enjoy only SMELLING food for a while. You may be successful at first and even find great satisfaction out of it, but eventually, for me anyway, you're going to want to eat. And it feels like every time the cravings become so unbearable that I decide to take a bite, there's a razor in the cookie.

After a while you start asking yourself, if I can no longer eat food without cutting my mouth, why do I keep putting myself in situations where I'm smelling it?

And honestly, I know the answer to that. And so I do keep fighting to eat again, and I do keep trying to appreciate food in new ways. But I guess I'm just trying to explain why isolation sometimes feels like the most logical and best option.

And just to check off your remaining questions.

Yes I am a introvert. But introverts feel lonely too.

And yes, I do suffer general depression unassociated with peyronie's disease. However I find these unassociated factors often end up combining into one.

For example, a semi-recent death in the family led to me focusing less on my diet, and the higher stress and poorer health combination suddenly made my peyronies worse, which thus led to extra depression.

I've found my mind and peyronies so connected in fact, that I've almost become scared to be sad now. One of my worst cases of progression occurred in the three months the girl who I thought I was going to marry dumped me and married someone else.

I'm not sure I've given you the reply you were looking for, as I seem to have ventured off and started journaling. But I thank you for your comment anyway.
37, Single, Started in 2003.
Bend was 60 degrees down/left in 2021. Now 50 w/new scar formation.
Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6. Fasting, pills, traction, topical therapies, red light, sunlight, daily Viagra, simply not obsessing over it.

Hawk

Wow! Dan, members are seldom so thorough and articulate in their posts.  I don't have time to do Justice to such a great post right now, plus it deserves some thought so I will be back. I will say that with your insight into the dynamics of your physical/mental states I think you have a huge advantage of dealing with this and having a great life.  As a famous celebrity with MS once said, life does not have to be perfect to be great.  You have the tools and potential to prove that.

In the mean time, please do us all a favor and fill in your signature line that appears under your posts.  It helps us understand your story and prevents repetitive questions and answers. - Thanks

Later!


 
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Dan1

Thanks, Hawk. There's no need to respond further unless you feel compelled to. Your acknowledgment and kind words have already been more than enough.

I will fill out my signature line.
37, Single, Started in 2003.
Bend was 60 degrees down/left in 2021. Now 50 w/new scar formation.
Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6. Fasting, pills, traction, topical therapies, red light, sunlight, daily Viagra, simply not obsessing over it.

Hawk

Dan,  You have properly used this board for psychological aspects, and I don't want to be the one to drag it off-topic, but now that I read your signature, I will at least ask if you have thoroughly looked into and considered Xiaflex and an implant.  While I cannot guarantee that an implant would relieve the pain and any numbness, this would be my thought process (keep in mind that I tried all the same things you have plus VED over the 15 years I fought Peyronies Disease and ED.  What we do not share in common is that my pain only lasted a few months and was only 2 -3 on the pain scale.  I also had no numbness, and my libido was annoyingly high.  The high libido and the fact I was married only added to the psychological pain. I did not have the option of withdrawing.  Not only could I not properly satisfy my sex drive, but worse, I felt terrible because I was unable to give my loyal, understanding wife the satisfaction I knew she missed, a heavy burden to the self-esteem of a man who loves his wife.

Back to my thinking on the topic:
You have nothing to risk with an implant.
If it were a total failure, I don't see that it would be any worse than withdrawal from relationships and sex.
With a great surgeon, implants have a very high success rate (95 -99%)
Implants have a very good record for resolving the lingering pain some men experience from Peyronies Disease.
An implant by a high-volume surgeon would totally resolve ED and deformity issues.
An implant would prevent any future loss of size.
An implant would likely fix your issues now rather than waiting for some uncertain development in treatment or some improvement.
After the initial euphoria over resolving your issues, an implant first removes all the obsession[ that is ever present with Peyronies Disease and ED.
Implants are known to have at least as much positive psychological impact as they do physical impact.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Dan1

Regarding pain, the full sentence I would have written if not restricted by a character limit would be "Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6 depending on level of activeness". The level 6 is often the result of a new scar forming, which doesn't seem to take much when my diet and stress isn't in check.

I understand that psychological pain you've described from not being able to satisfy yourself while also not being able to satisfy someone you love. It's heartbreaking. I really don't know what's been worse, being in a relationship with peyronies, or being single with peyronies. Both have had their own unique negatives.

I have not seriously considered Xiaflex injections or implant surgery, mostly just because both really scare me. I'm also in the middle of a job transition that's important to me, which means money is unpredictable, and it might take two to three more years before it isn't.

I do understand there's a good chance I'll eventually need to make a decision between implant or permanent withdrawal from sex (at least in terms of PIV). And from what you've described, it may be a decision that's better made sooner rather than later.

I've been studying a group of people in Japan who live in isolation. They are called hikikomori. During certain phases of my life I've been drawn to their type of lifestyle, and not just because of peyronies, but also general social anxiety.

Luckily, I have a big enough family that even when I enter that recluse mood, I'm forced to regularly socialize. That now includes a one-year-old nephew who I sometimes help babysit. Still though, I can sometimes get anxious even with friend groups I've been around my whole life. It didn't use to be such a big deal, but the progression of peyronies has seemed to increase those feelings tenfold.

As a counter to my own point, there is this video that I've found meaningful titled THE ANSWER IS NOT A HUT IN THE WOODS. If anyone has similar thoughts of isolation it might be worthwhile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK2SMIOHYig
37, Single, Started in 2003.
Bend was 60 degrees down/left in 2021. Now 50 w/new scar formation.
Chronic flaccid pain varies from 2-6. Fasting, pills, traction, topical therapies, red light, sunlight, daily Viagra, simply not obsessing over it.

Hawk

It will take a while to decide how insightful that link is since my mind rehashes things for days before drawing conclusions.  I will say, however, that it is a thoroughly entertaining link.  I would probably enjoy it better in text form since his speaking was so fast-paced that it left no time to ponder what he just said before he was on to another thought.  I enjoyed it.  Thanks for posting.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Andy_1492

I to have read into the Hikokomori and I understand how it may seem comforting.

Some people like to indulge in things they liked as a child as it takes them back to a happier time before bad stuff happened.

When a situation becomes bad to the point it is absurd and you feel you just can't win there is the temptation to say I don't want to play this game anymore and retreat into yourself.  
30 yo - Single
Dent and relatively mild ED 2012
Worsening in 2021 with a slight curvature and increased indentation
1000mg l-arginine/500mg l-carnitine/133mg Vit E

Hawk

There is always the temptation to avoid self-discipline and go for the immediately easier route.  Whether it is fighting depression, diet, exercise, or education, the list goes on and on.

Here are a few lines I find to be profound from ― M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Traveled: A New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth

First we must understand that ""Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths. It is a great truth because once we truly see this truth, we transcend it. Once we truly know that life is difficult-once we truly understand and accept it-then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is accepted, the fact that life is difficult no longer matters.

Most do not fully see this truth that life is difficult. Instead, they moan, more or less incessantly, noisily, or subtly, about the enormity of their problems, their burdens, and their difficulties, as if life were generally easy, as if life should be easy. They voice their belief that their difficulties represent a unique kind of affliction that should not be, and that has somehow been especially visited upon them, or else upon their families, their tribe, their class, their nation, their race, or even their species, not upon others.  I know about this moaning because I've done my share.

Life is a series of problems. Do we want to moan about them or solve them? Discipline is the basic set of tools we require to solve life's problems. Without discipline we can solve nothing."

"Delaying gratification is a process of scheduling the pain and pleasure of life in such a way as to enhance the pleasure by meeting and experiencing the pain first and getting it over with on your terms. It is the only decent way to live."

"This inclination to ignore problems is once again a simple manifestation of an unwillingness to delay gratification. Confronting problems is, as I have said, painful. To willingly confront a problem early, before we are forced to confront it by circumstances, means to put aside something pleasant or less painful for something more painful. It is choosing to suffer now in the hope of future gratification rather than choosing to continue present gratification in the hope that future suffering will not be necessary.
We cannot solve life's problems except by solving them."

"We cannot be a source for strength unless we nurture our own strength."
 
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

Mikel7

Quote from: Hawk on February 27, 2024, 10:25:51 PM"Delaying gratification is a process of scheduling the pain and pleasure of life in such a way as to enhance the pleasure of life in such a way as to enhance the pleasure by meeting and experiencing the pain first and getting it over with. It is the only decent way to live."

This has been the one in my own life that is oh so true.!
Lump 4/2020, age 63 , Dr Levine 6-26-20, Dors Curve 11/2020, Peyronies
Vit E400mg, COQ10, Heat Therapy, Penimaster, Pentox, Cialis, Restorex
SNHL 7/2020 - Stopped all Meds because ototoxicity  Heat/traction/VED are working. CPPS Diagnosis - Stable :)

Andy_1492

I agree you can't have a satifisifed mind unless you take steps to address the addressable.

 
30 yo - Single
Dent and relatively mild ED 2012
Worsening in 2021 with a slight curvature and increased indentation
1000mg l-arginine/500mg l-carnitine/133mg Vit E

Hawk

Quote from: Mikel7 on February 29, 2024, 12:07:36 AM"Delaying gratification is a process of scheduling the pain and pleasure of life in such a way as to enhance the pleasure by meeting and experiencing the pain first and getting it over with on your terms. It is the only decent way to live."

in my own life that is oh so true.!
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 74 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums