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Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« on: October 10, 2021, 03:36:56 PM »

I would pump twice a day for 30 minutes holding full erections for 1-2 minutes.
I never felt pain but would feel soreness.
After doing this for almost a month my eq went down the drain so I stopped.
It has been a month and it has not recovered. I hypothesize the pumping expanded my penile tissues past the healthy limit and this damaged the elasticity in one way or another,
which reflects in the larger flaccid and softer erections.

I've been doing alot of research and I'm seeing alot of accounts of VED causing diminshed EQ on many penis related forums.

I'm really not sure what to do now. I'm getting blood work and an ultrasound but even if they detect something how would I even treat it?

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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2021, 10:04:07 PM »

I do not believe the VED had anything to do with Erectile Dysfunction.

I think your Peyronies Disease progressively affected your Erectile Dysfunction or you are undergoing psychologically-based Erectile Dysfunction because of your anxiety over Peyronies Disease.
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2021, 08:34:38 AM »

Also if anything you are overpumping by what the protocol defines on forum. you shouldn't hold more than 5-10 seconds, and the whole session should last around 15 minutes (and never to a full erection)..
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 02:24:59 PM »

I do not believe the VED had anything to do with Erectile Dysfunction.

I think your Peyronies Disease progressively affected your Erectile Dysfunction or you are undergoing psychologically-based Erectile Dysfunction because of your anxiety over Peyronies Disease.

Hawk my peyronies has progressed at all , im confused why you would make that assumption with no knowledge of my condition
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 10:20:45 PM »

im confused why you would make that assumption with no knowledge of my condition

I make the conclusion that VEDs do NOT cause Erectile Dysfunction from 18 years of Peyronies Disease and Erectile Dysfunction forums interacting with thousands of men using VEDs.  Just because you get Erectile Dysfunction after doing something is not evidence that the Erectile Dysfunction was caused by the thing you did.  Many men who never use a VED get Erectile Dysfunction after Peyronies Disease.  What evidence do you have that the VED caused it other than you used the VED?  What other things have you done in the last year?  maybe those other things caused Erectile Dysfunction???
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2021, 11:26:08 PM »

Anbil: VED's are prescribed by doctors to TREAT Erectile Dysfunction, so they don't make the erection worse. Quite the opposite. The only way that you can hurt yourself is by extreme overpumping on an erect penis. If you are not doing that, then you are fine. Have you wondered that it may not be the VED  making it worse?

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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2021, 07:14:29 PM »

I make the conclusion that VEDs do NOT cause Erectile Dysfunction from 18 years of Peyronies Disease and Erectile Dysfunction forums interacting with thousands of men using VEDs.  Just because you get Erectile Dysfunction after doing something is not evidence that the Erectile Dysfunction was caused by the thing you did.  Many men who never use a VED get Erectile Dysfunction after Peyronies Disease.  What evidence do you have that the VED caused it other than you used the VED?  What other things have you done in the last year?  maybe those other things caused Erectile Dysfunction???

Hawk I don't like how casually dismissive you are of my thread in your initial post, such as your assumption that my peyronie's caused erectile dysfunction when it is a small dent at the tip that has not progressed in months.

I agree with you, it is not likely that light VED use can caused or worsen Erectile Dysfunction. Obviously your experience means alot, even if you are coming off a little aggressive.
In my case I overpumped. I should revise my thread title to IMPROPER VED use.

It is very likely that VED caused this because I was getting extremely strong involuntary erections even during traction, which I shared in a couple threads.
After a month of very reckless VED use I no longer have that issue. My penis is less rigid when erect and larger when flaccid.
Now when I try traction I no longer get these strong INVOLUNTARY erections. And no I never did anything else that could affect Erectile Dysfunction while I was pumping.

In terms of my title, you can do the research yourself. If you google Bathmate/pump along the words "softer erection" "worse EQ" or "venous leak" you will get quite literally hundreds of hits.
It is clear there is a trend from doing a few minutes research online, that using these vacuum devices can lead to a decline in EQ.
Also as further support, Landon Trost and Dr Levine both seem to think VED can potentially be harmful.




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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2021, 11:21:05 PM »

I find it strange that you view supporting or stating facts as aggressive.  I was courteous and professional.  I did not call you names or insult you.

I stated facts as did Pfract.  I am sorry that you take offense that we don't accept conclusions of one person in 18 years who base their conclusion on:
I had good erections
I used a VED
I have weaker erections

Erections are affected by a wide host of issues.

Considering the decades over which VED's have been prescribed for Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies Disease you cannot expect anyone to accept one case or even 100 cases of anecdotal accounts.
You don't even offer how a VED could do this.  Did it damage your nerves?  Did it destroy hormone levels? 

Your account that "B" followed "A" is not evidence that "B" caused "A".
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 06:29:28 AM »

I can testify on regards to the VED therapy as outlined in this forum that it has improved my EQ quality and not damaged my penis or worsened my peyronies in any way.  I am approaching the 1 year mark of doing this about 5 times a week. :) 
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Re: Why does VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2021, 10:38:53 AM »

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In terms of my title, you can do the research yourself. If you google Bathmate/pump along the words "softer erection" "worse EQ" or "venous leak" you will get quite literally hundreds of hits.
It is clear there is a trend from doing a few minutes research online, that using these vacuum devices can lead to a decline in EQ.

You can't be talking about things like these as if they are facts. Hits on Google do not mean these are facts. ALSO a bathmate is not a real medical vacuum pump. If you took 5 minutes to read a little bit about Erectile Dysfunction and peyronies, especially the guidelines on how to manage Erectile Dysfunction (https://www.auanet.org/guidelines/guidelines/erectile-dysfunction-(Erectile Dysfunction)-guideline) ( https://www.auanet.org/guidelines/guidelines/peyronies-disease-guideline   you would know that the vacuum pump is recommended by doctors worldwide as a second line therapy when pills fail. You may not agree, but they are real doctors and they are the ones treating the condition. Not you.

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Also as further support, Landon Trost and Dr Levine both seem to think VED can potentially be harmful.

Where is your source for this?

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Why does OVERPUMPING of VED frequently lead to worse EQ?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2021, 08:23:14 PM »

I find it strange that you view supporting or stating facts as aggressive.  I was courteous and professional.  I did not call you names or insult you.

I stated facts as did Pfract.  I am sorry that you take offense that we don't accept conclusions of one person in 18 years who base their conclusion on:
I had good erections
I used a VED
I have weaker erections

Erections are affected by a wide host of issues.

Considering the decades over which VED's have been prescribed for Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies Disease you cannot expect anyone to accept one case or even 100 cases of anecdotal accounts.
You don't even offer how a VED could do this.  Did it damage your nerves?  Did it destroy hormone levels? 

Your account that "B" followed "A" is not evidence that "B" caused "A".

I am taking offense to your erroenous presumption that my peyronies is the caused of my Erectile Dysfunction.
This gives the impression you trying to confirm your own bias rather than have a productive discussion.

Hawk I took time to write a logical explanation of my reasoning, which it doesn't seem like you read before deciding to strawman me.
If all youre going to do is dismiss my experience without even listening to me, why not just delete my thread?


You can't be talking about things like these as if they are facts. Hits on Google do not mean these are facts. ALSO a bathmate is not a real medical vacuum pump. If you took 5 minutes to read a little bit about Erectile Dysfunction and peyronies, especially the guidelines on how to manage Erectile Dysfunction (https://www.auanet.org/guidelines/guidelines/erectile-dysfunction-(Erectile Dysfunction)-guideline) ( https://www.auanet.org/guidelines/guidelines/peyronies-disease-guideline   you would know that the vacuum pump is recommended by doctors worldwide as a second line therapy when pills fail. You may not agree, but they are real doctors and they are the ones treating the condition. Not you.

Where is your source for this?

Here is what Dr Trost has to say about VED https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?topic=15950.0. I've seen it a few times from him and Levine.
I have read about peyronies and Erectile Dysfunction for quite possibly 10000 hours. Everything you guys know I know. Yes I know VED is often used to oxygenate the penis in those with
severe Erectile Dysfunction. There have been little to no studies on EQ.

VED pulls in veinous blood in the opposite vector of penile veinous flow. I think most of the confusion is because I am referring to OVERPUMPING, which I already
explained but didn't seem to register with you.

You both seem like good guys, so before this thread devolves, I urge you to please carefully read what I wrote.
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Been doing daily heat,traction,pentox,ved,cialis since initial onset of pain

Currently still experiencing pain and dent unchanged
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