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Re: DRY FASTING
« Reply #100 on: January 03, 2020, 06:52:05 AM »

No but there is a study out there on TRT curing venous leaks (statistically significant vs placebo), so maybe first step should be to get your testosterone levels checked?
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« Reply #101 on: January 03, 2020, 05:53:06 PM »

The whole venous leak thing thrown around is weird. I hear it all the time.

This is the accepted definition of venous leak?
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Venous Leak is an inability to maintain an erection in the presence of sufficient arterial blood flow through the cavernosal arteries of the penis. The defect lies in the excessive drainage of veins in the cavernosal tissue of the penis, which undermines normal erectile function.
 

The veins natural function IS to drain arterial blood.
Arterial blood flow creates the erection by flooding the Smooth muscles which expand and hence push the Tunica to expand and hence TRAP/CONSTRICT the veins which slows down the outflow/DRAINAGE.

So then the question, is where is the problem? The arterial inflow,.. low pressure? The Smooth Muscles not filling properly to stretch the Tunica? The Tunica being faulty?
The Pelvic floor has also a function in retaining the blood inside the Penis..

I assume the veins are just doing their job..
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« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2020, 06:09:01 PM »

@skunkworks, I have been down this path of having testosterone for venous leakage and yes it does work but only while you are taking the testosterone and large doses of it. As soon as the testosterone was out of my system, the leakage problem came back. My testosterone levels were normal before starting and I took the steroid illegally as no doctor will prescribe in Aus unless your test levels are critically low. I have taken Reandron 2000mg a month or Sus 250 weekly at 500mg. This is a lot of testosterone and this was how much I needed to take to get really good erections for me.

The upsides of testosterone are:

Awesome sex drive
Better erections
More energy
More strength

The down sides with testosterone are:

It's expensive
Injections hurt
It shuts down your balls and they get tiny
It throws out your hormone levels
You have to get them illegally if your levels are normal and doctors generally don't want to go there even if your levels are low
When you try to come off steroids, there are nasty side effects especially if you have taken a higher dosage
You may need to take estrogen blockers
If you take them long term, your hormones can be permanently shut down.

Of course, you can take steroids such as Andriol which is in a capsule form and I have taken these to avoid the nasty injections but they are poorly absorbed and you need to take about 5 of them a day to keep your test levels up. Andriol is even more expensive than the other steroids mentioned. Also I have tried creams and they are crap besides Andractim which costs and arm and a leg.

I wish there was a way to boost testosterone and enjoy all the awesome benefits that it brings without the nasty side effects and costs but there isn't unfortunately.
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« Reply #103 on: January 03, 2020, 07:54:42 PM »

The whole venous leak thing thrown around is weird. I hear it all the time.

This is the accepted definition of venous leak?   

The veins natural function IS to drain arterial blood.
Arterial blood flow creates the erection by flooding the Smooth muscles which expand and hence push the Tunica to expand and hence TRAP/CONSTRICT the veins which slows down the outflow/DRAINAGE.

So then the question, is where is the problem? The arterial inflow,.. low pressure? The Smooth Muscles not filling properly to stretch the Tunica? The Tunica being faulty?
The Pelvic floor has also a function in retaining the blood inside the Penis..

I assume the veins are just doing their job..

Venous leakage speaks more to the symptom than the cause. Yours is a good point though as all surgical treatments for this target the symptom, not the cause. Probably why failure rate is so high.
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« Reply #104 on: January 03, 2020, 08:31:38 PM »

Venous leakage speaks more to the symptom than the cause.
RIGHT! hmm..

Blood leaves the penis through veins.
A penis that isn't hard will leak naturally. The "leak" is happening through veins. Normal!

The expansion of the Smooth Muscle cells within the CC will push the Tunica to it's limit(hard) closing off the veins that run along and through it.
IF YOU HAVE A PLAQUE(like black dot in diagram attached) sitting at/in your Tunica, the Tunica can't expand far enough to shut off the veins at that spot.(very obvious with hourglass)

The veins at that position are then as open as if the penis is flaccid. Hence why a lot of peyronies sufferers are diagnosed with "venous leakage".

The other reason could be low arterial pressure into the penis which then doesn't create enough pressure onto the Tunica to shut off the veins. That might happen with people who are in bad health or untrained.(consider that trained legs are "moving"/"pulling" a lot of blood increasing pressure that influences/"trains" the penis arteries which are connected with the leg arteries)
Another, case is if there's not enough Nitric Oxide to relax the Smooth Muscles. The blood pressure alone won't be enough to expand the Smooth Muscles. And NO is getting there via arousal(mental arousal). 
And arousal is connected to Testosterone. Simplified: Low testosteron = low arousal = low NO = No Smooth Muscles expansion = No Tunica Expansion = "venous leakage"

I can't even imagine how one would manipulate the veins to fix "venous leakage".. Probably by narrowing the veins? If I put a thumb onto my base towards the pubic bone - venous leakage "fixed" but not where it matters(right at the tunica/vein insertion like in the diagram)
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Re: DRY FASTING
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2020, 10:00:14 PM »

@melting, I think you are totally correct about the plaque causing venous leakage. When I first started getting erection problems it was when I first noticed a lump in my glans area and because my glans area doesn't expand enough to get hard, it has an effect on my entire penis both hardness and size as well as how long erections last because the blood simply doesn't get pinched off well enough.
The high dosages of testosterone that I took didn't get rid of the plaque but I had much better erections because of the increased blood volume and nitric oxide that was produced from the steroids. Basically, I was taking several more times of testosterone of a normal healthy male. It was only a temporary fix and in the long run it would do damage to the cardiovascular system.
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« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2020, 07:28:04 AM »

Great explanation, melting!
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Re: DRY FASTING
« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2020, 01:13:35 AM »

I have a lump on the underside of my penis, basically where my spongiousum meets my perineum.  This causes my spongiosum to be deflated and makes my whole penis look flattened.  could this be a plque causing these issues?  I feel like there is some damage there because it feels ridged/bumpy upon touch
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« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2020, 08:04:24 AM »

I first noticed a lump in my glans area and because my glans area doesn't expand enough to get hard,
Yeah, I softened my plaques, stretched them with traction(years ago) and normally have great erections but if I have a bad day I will get erections that seem to leak and indent right where the remaining plaques sit. If I have high libido the increased pressure mitigates the plaques.
The effect will be different for everyone depending on where the plaque sits and the other aspects mentioned.

 
I have a lump on the underside of my penis, basically where my spongiousum meets my perineum.
Please check out diagrams of the area on google pictures. That area is naturally bumpy with lots of muscles.
What is possibly happening is that you got a "knot" in the muscles there. The bulbospongiosus muscle sits right there and is responsible for some of the blood movement up the spongosium. Engaging it can shoot blood up towards the glans but actually completely relaxing it during an erection, will increase the pressure.(it opens up allowing blood to move through). But also with low libido or low excitement it will naturally not fill up.

When that area is chronically tight you will get problems downstream into your penis.
It's a much softer tissue with a very thin tunica. So the whole shunting off mechanism with veins explained above doesn't apply as much and plaques wont affect it as much.
That said it could be you had an injury and developed a plaque there which is interfering now. But very unusual I think.
Is it a round hard encapsuled lump? If it's a muscle problem you possibly could massage such a lump out.(or find a pelvic floor therapist, they often use balls to sit on in this area to massage tightness out)

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« Reply #109 on: January 05, 2020, 08:17:18 AM »

Maybe a little off topic, but I just wanna say my testosterone levels aren't exactly ideal either (in the 400's ng/dl) but as you said a doctor won't perscribe me testosterone here in the Netherlands. I have been on TRT (had to buy it myself illegally) for about a year and did about 150mg per week. My libido was good during that time and I had a lot of motivation and energy to work out and made a lot of muscle gains. Mentally though, I didn't feel good about having to rely on an illegal source and I felt like everything about my body was finally good, except for my penis. I didn't notice any significant impact on erections or peyronies symptoms. Right now I've been off testosterone for about 2/3 years and I'm thinking of getting my levels measured again as I suspect it's now probably even low than what I started out with. If it's truly low (under 10 nmol/l so I'd say in the 300's ng/dl or lower) I might be able to get testosterone gel/cream. I wonder if it will be good for me to get back on TRT or if it's better for me to just let it be. I have tried it, so I know now that it's not the cure for peyronies per se, but it couldn't hurt plus I really liked the strenght increase and extra energy.
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« Reply #110 on: January 05, 2020, 08:42:11 AM »

The dosage makes the poison ;) There might be a dosage that's just right for you. If the source is clean and it helps you short and long term you shouldn't feel bad about breaking immoral unnatural regulations that only affect you.
I learned to refrain from extremes, they rarely help. It's easy to get desperate with out condition and try extreme stuff. I feel like some comments regarding fasting go into that direction too.
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« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2020, 06:57:46 PM »

Yeah, I softened my plaques, stretched them with traction(years ago) and normally have great erections but if I have a bad day I will get erections that seem to leak and indent right where the remaining plaques sit. If I have high libido the increased pressure mitigates the plaques.
The effect will be different for everyone depending on where the plaque sits and the other aspects mentioned.

 Please check out diagrams of the area on google pictures. That area is naturally bumpy with lots of muscles.
What is possibly happening is that you got a "knot" in the muscles there. The bulbospongiosus muscle sits right there and is responsible for some of the blood movement up the spongosium. Engaging it can shoot blood up towards the glans but actually completely relaxing it during an erection, will increase the pressure.(it opens up allowing blood to move through). But also with low libido or low excitement it will naturally not fill up.

When that area is chronically tight you will get problems downstream into your penis.
It's a much softer tissue with a very thin tunica. So the whole shunting off mechanism with veins explained above doesn't apply as much and plaques wont affect it as much.
That said it could be you had an injury and developed a plaque there which is interfering now. But very unusual I think.
Is it a round hard encapsuled lump? If it's a muscle problem you possibly could massage such a lump out.(or find a pelvic floor therapist, they often use balls to sit on in this area to massage tightness out)
  How can this be diagnosed?
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« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2020, 09:23:42 PM »

There is no way any of us can help you diagnose this.

Get to one of the expert doctors that we recommend. There are a handful across the U.S.
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« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2020, 10:46:03 AM »

I second that and I have no idea how to exactly diagnose that.
It's just a logical deduction that plaques and/or "low nitric oxide" will interfere with the natural function of an erection in the way I described which then could be diagnosed as "venous leakage".
If a doctor would diagnose me with "venous leakage" I would want him to detail for me how the venous leakage exactly occurs and what effect any measures would have. Often we just get offered a fix of the result but not the underlying issue.
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« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2020, 04:13:51 AM »

There is no way any of us can help you diagnose this.

Get to one of the expert doctors that we recommend. There are a handful across the U.S.
which doctors are recommended please show me where to find the list.  Preferably in California Thank you
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« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2020, 04:15:21 AM »

Is it ok to use dmso + absorbic acid while on a dry fast and water fast?
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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2020, 04:56:57 PM »

Why not? I have no idea why it shouldn't.
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« Reply #117 on: January 13, 2020, 05:48:16 AM »

My issue is blood is not flowing into the penis and spongiousm with enough pressure so my penis is plump.  Mu penis is like a balloon with no air in it only the cover is there nothing inside.  I believe this starts at the perineum and behind the testicles and goes into to the penis shaft something is not putting the correct blood pressure in there to make it plump.  Do you think fasting can help this?  I just finished another 24 hours of dry fasting will do another day of dry fasting then try water only fast until 2/1/2020.  Basically the blood flow is not entering my penis shaft and spongiousm with enough pressure so penis is deflated and spongiousum is very soft when erect.  I think the area behind the testicles and maybe in perineum is where the issue starts from. 
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« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2020, 05:53:32 PM »

which doctors are recommended please show me where to find the list.  Preferably in California Thank you

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,4063.0.html
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« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2020, 08:08:58 AM »

JS I tried to PM you.

What do you do for a living that would allow you to not shower, eat or drink water for nine days?
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« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2020, 08:50:45 PM »

IcebergLlama, so sorry my inbox was full! No wonder why I haven’t gotten messages in months. I cleared some space up now though.

For a living I swing trade stocks, currencies and crypto as well as co-owning a business with my cousin, which allowed him to pick up some slack for me. I haven’t done a hard dry fast in a while though. Currently water fasting. Will do another dry fast in a few months, most likely.
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« Reply #121 on: August 05, 2020, 05:18:48 AM »

Hey guys,

Thought I would just post a quick update here:

MY PDs has vastly improved with the use of traction, ved and presumably fasting (will do a summary in the next few months).

I have done several fasts, including a 7 day water fast, 2 and 3 day dry fasts.

Just finished the three day one yesterday. I clearly noticed a tingling/contracting sensation around my plaque on day 2 as well as on other injuries on my body. During the fast the plaque was MUCH softer and smaller. I obviously didn't take cialis while fasting but managed to get erections nonetheless.

From what I understand, this is not a once off treatment and am planning another extended dry fast for about 4 days in about 3 weeks from now.

All I wanted to say was that out of all the treatment methods out there that I have tried, it feels like this one could have the biggest impact.

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« Reply #122 on: August 07, 2020, 08:20:11 AM »

Update:

I've noticed a very clear reduction in hour glassing. As its only been a few days it is premature to say anything with certainty at this stage. My penis "feels" fuller though (also started taking 2.5mg cialis, so maybe that could be it?) and the dent is smaller, definitely.

Rigidity in top 1/3 is not identical to bottom 2/3rd s but getting there. I'm sold on dry fasting (and ved plus traction) and will be doing another 4 day dryfast in circa 2 weeks.

Please report your results good or bad from dry fasting on penile health too! thx
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« Reply #123 on: August 08, 2020, 07:48:34 AM »

7 day fast, awesome stuff mate. They aren't easy!
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