ED - Erectile Dysfunction (Started August 2005)

[ComeBacKid]

My daytime erections vanished rapidly after taking lexapro, and it would take me forever to reach orgasm.  Most of this went away after Ig ot off it, but the erections didn't come back like they normally were before the medicine.  In april when my peyronies acted up again, I lost all daytime erections, I think the combination of both of these effects is causing the problem.  I may try wellabutren in the future , but for now I'm sticking to some treatments and more treatments I have lined up next.

ComeBackid

[soxfan]

Hi Gents,

I thought that I would interject here. I feel that the link between testosterone and prostate cancer is false. Think about it, most men contract the disease late in life when there test levels are very low. If raging high levels of test were the culprit then pc would be epidemic amongst 18-19 year old boys, but it isn't. Rather, I believe that the true culprit is excess ESTROGEN which increases exponetially as a man ages.

I have started my own androgen therapy to help combat my Peyronies Disease. I am only one week in and I alraedy have seen a big incraese in energy, libido and better erections and incresed bloodflow to little Elvis!

Cheers.

[Hawk]

SoxFan,

Good to see you again.

I appreciate your remarks and your intent.

For brevity, and because this is not a general men's health or prostate cancer forum, I won't debate the pros and cons of an estrogen link to enlarged prostates and prostate cancer.  I am familiar with estrogen matabolites, but what is absolutely undeniable, is that once prostate cancer is present that it is fueled by testosterone.  Clinical studies conclusively demonstrated PC to be fueled by testosterone in a test tube, conclusively demonstrated in mice infected with human PC, and conclusively demonstrated in many thousands of men.  In fact, I believe it to be testosterone fed with even greater consistency than breast cancer is estrogen fed.  Testosterone suppression abruptly suppresses its growth, testosterone supplementation fuels its growth.  Once testosterone supply is cut off, PC will eventually (how soon, depends on factors such as Gleason score or grade of PC) become testosterone independent and is virtually unstopable once it is out of the prostate capsule.

I know of no research institution that would refute this, and not a single clinical study that would suggest otherwise.  If I sound adamant, it is the result investigation at a rate of 60 hours a week over a period of months on traditional, non-traditional, and alternative treatment methods.  It included many hours or face to face dialog with urological surgeons and urological oncologist at Memorial Slone-Kettering Cancer Center.  Appointments at Columbia University Center for wholelistic Urology, and many books. That is just as starters.  

We must keep in mind that unlike Peyronies Disease, this is a life and death issue for men.  Speculation that is in error, is a deadly error.

[Kimo]

I thought i'd write a post on this subject..I was always a high energy person, never realized it was because i had a high testosterone level...When i was about 45yrs old i started going down hill, no energy, depression, no drive, loss of erections and sexual desire...This went on for about 7 yrs and the uro i had at the time said i was normal for my age..I didn't like that answer and so finally changed Uro's...He said my test level was way down @ 300, and we should and could do something about it...He started me out on androgel, worked great for about a year and then my level started going down,,,so he changed me over to the androderm patch, which i've been on now for about 6yrs...When my testosterone level was brought back up,,,i started feeling great again,,no depression,,regained sexual drive and i didn't have to use as much viagra.....

I do have my PSA checked about every 6 months,,,,and i know that i cannot survive without having this test...replacement..It didn't make my breasts any bigger but it has given me a lot more body hair,,my wife liked that,,HA !

note;  that first year on the androgel drove my level back up to 831,,,and i had to tell the doc to lower it some how as it made me climb the walls,,to high for me at my age, i was so horny and couldn't do much about it,,,lol
So, he lowered my doseage and it helped...Since being on the patch it has always stayed very level without changing...I still use viagra about 75% of the time, but have even cut back on the amount to 50mg...

I do agree and know that you have to keep check on your levels and your PSA,,its very important....each person's body reacts differently....Everything that Hawk has said in the last post is right on, he has given great advise..

kimo

[Liam]

Has anyone used DHEA?  I have read several articles about the benefit for sex drive.  Now I will bring it to the real experts.   You guys.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dhea/NS_patient-dhea  -Mayo Clinic's DHEA page

[Kimo]

Liam,,i tried that too,, before i went on testosterone,,didn't do anything for me,,,,,just my opinion,,,,kimo

[ComeBacKid]

Soxfan,

What is andogren treatment?  My doctor tells me testosterone and these things will only boost your sex drive while your on them, and because your getting the testosterone from the pill, your testis quit producing as much, so in the end when you get off the pill your body may not produce as much testosterone.

Any comments?  

[ComeBacKid]

Will Cialis just give you random erections?  Does anyone know about this?  Is there any ED drug besides injections that will give one random erectiosn without stimulation?

ComeBackid

[Hawk]

ComeBackid,

The short answer is NO.  

All oral ED drugs require physical or at least psychological stimulation.  There may be an exception taken at night since night-time erections have more to do with sleep cycles than sex related dreams.  I personally would never take an expensive ED drug with their many side effects for night-time erections when 1/2 of a 3 cent trazadone works better and has no side effects, except possibly a slightly better nights rest.

I refer you back to a more detailed post on comparing these drugs.  Click below on the header below.

[Liam]

ComeBackid,  MUSE is designed for that.  How well it works is another question.  Cialis is desined to do what Viagra does.  It just lasts longer (up to 36 hrs).  It will allow you to have an erection when stimulated.   The idea of allowing "natural erections to happen for 36 hrs sounds good.  The problem is, the side effects last for up to 36 hrs. (up tp 24 hrs. for Levitra).

The only instant erection I know of is the injection (tri mix).

[Liam]

I am getting about 75% success from Viagra.  My erection is painful, but, tolerable.  I get the blue haze and my face gets flushed.  My Dr. prescribed 100 mg.  I cut them in half so I can take it twice as many days.  I get almost nothing from 25 mg.  I have a fair response at 50 mg.

I am wondering about other experiences with our little blue friend.  

[ComeBacKid]

I thought viagra is not supposed to be taken for patients with peyronies?  I actually have some here and I'm wondering if continued usage could help to restore daytime erections?

ComeBackid

[Liam]

There is a study about taking it daily.  I'll try to find and post it.

[Hawk]

I thought Viagra is not supposed to be taken for patients with peyronies?  I actually have some hwere and I'm wondering if continued usage could help to restore daytime erections?

ComeBackid, No disrespect but there are hundreds of posts here about members taking Viagra and we all have Peyronies Disease.  Dr. Mulhall insisted I keep injecting Bimix.  I refused so he said take Viagra at least 2 or 3 times a week.  He also had me on 25 mg every night for months before Peyronies Disease.

PS: to Liam.  If you are getting 3/4 erections at one year, you are home free as far as your surgery is concerned and your nerve function.  You regain most the 2nd year.  Your only concern is Peyronies Disease with its many symptoms from here on out.

[Liam]

Hawk,  I am highly encouraged.  It is 12:52 am my time.  This is one year.  

Yes, it's a little skinnier than before and not quite as long.  But, there is something to work with.  I still can't sustain the erection very well.  Thats OK for now.

When I had the surgery, I prepared myself to die and if I lived, to have ED (positive thinking at its worst).  Everyday and every erection (no matter the quality) is a blessing.  I have learned and am still learning to appreciate the things I have.

I'll stop before the violins start playing.  Before I do, I'll just say, all you guys have done more than almost anyone :::nodding to my wife::: to keep me focused on recovery instead of wallowing in misery.  

I am also convinced finding out about l- arginine has facilitated the improvements I have experienced in the last month and a half.  I learned about it here..

[ComeBacKid]

Hawk,

Your missing my point though,I know some on here take viagra, however how do they know it didn't make their condition worse?  My question is, why does it say on the label don't take if you have peyronies?  Who determined this, someone didn't just make it up, there must be some valid reason they have it there, and I"m trying to figure out why.

[Hawk]

Man if everyone listed what they got here worthwhile, I am sure it would be a huge list.  I got nothing from the doctor, I got it all here.  Besides support and satisfaction of seeing others find support, the biggest for me were:

Trazodone
ALC
L- Arginine

[Liam]

ComeBackid,

I can give you an educated guess in the form of a syllogism.  Men with Peyronies Disease have painful erections.  Viagra gives you an erection.  Therefore Viagra gives men with Peyronies Disease pain.

This is the logic of a law suit.    

It's the same reason the FDA says VEDs should not be used by men who have Peyronies Disease.

If they didn't put the warning, they could face legal action.

Stupidity.  This is one reason for the slow advances in medical research.

[Rico]

I would like to say that l-arginine is used by almost all the fighters in the UFC(cage fighters), it along with nox and amino acids, there are many blends you can buy at GNC or other health stores, You can buy it in bulk. The brand I like is expensive, but when I do use it, even before the french dick doctor's condition, I got some hard wood, plus great pumps in the gym. Trac was one brand I used and also my favroite(because of taste ect..)was xyience. There are many on these blends out there, and if you don't like to take pills and want a complete blend: They have three arginine in them hci, ketoisocaproate and alpha-ketoglutarate along with three creatines and three glutamine, most of you are pretty well informed on here and I hope I don't offend anyone with maybe already know knowledge. God Bless you.

Rico

[George999]

Elsewhere on this forum, I have mentioned maca.  I just want to mention it again here as it has done good things for me without any of the side effects that some of the other solutions have.  Incidentally, maca works for both men and women.  Basically it seems to work by making the body more sensitive to available hormones.  So while not raising testosterone levels, it nevertheless increases the effect of the available testosterone.  Its effect is very subtle and very smooth, gradually increasing over a period of weeks.  For me it has been very satisfying.  I have been taking 500mg twice a day now for probably three of four months and my wife is taking it two.  Its really very cool in my opinion.

[Fighter]

George999
I heard good things about Maca so I just order some over the net. I have order it in the powder form. It recommends to take 5 to 15 grams per day. Do you think that would be too much? I see you only take 1 gram per day. I lift weights and work out 4 days a week so I thought maybe I should take 5 grams every other day until my body gets use to it then maybe 5 grams per day. What do you think?

[George999]

The great thing about maca is that it is actually a food.  People eat it in significant quantities like potatoes or rice.  So the only damage you are likely to see from it would be to your pocket book.  For me one gram does the job.  But I didn't have an ED problem going in.  So for some folks it might take more.  And for those who are wanting to have children and can't, research has proven that maca raises fertility, at least in men.  Additionally, I think you will find that it just makes you feel better.  Personally, I take it in tablet form (even those can be chewed), but it has a pleasant flavor and you can even cook good things out of the powder just like you would with flour.  Thats the way they use it in Peru.

[ComeBacKid]

Is this stuff safe or doctor recomended?  Did it increase erections for you guys noticeably?  It sounds like an anti-depressant almost to me if it makes you feel good.  I just have some skepticism because if it boosts your libido well, why aren't more people using it, or are they?  So its a powder you put in your food and eat it with meals?  Tim any thoughts on this?

[George999]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maca

[Liam]

mmmmmmm Maca beer  ::::ala Homer::::::

[Liam]

Due to renewed interest I am reposting this PubMed piece.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1984101&dopt=Abstract

[Power]

Has anyone in this forum had any success using nightly viagra to overcome ED? Did erection quality improve after discontinuing use of the drug? There was a 2004 study that suggested it works. Thanks for any replies.

Power

[ComeBacKid]

Power,

Your question comes just in time as we have been discussing, trazodone, half of a 50mg pill taken at night.  Hawk intitally told me about this, saying that it gave him nighttime erections, which we know are healthy for the penis, because at night while sleeping for some reason the blood has the highest oxygen content.  These nighttime erections keep the penis healthy, check our resource library under the collagen/oxygen I believe it is.  Anyway, Hawk told me this drug helped him, so I tried it.  The very first night I took it, I became a little sleepy and dozed off kind of and awoke with a solid erection, probably the most solid I've had in about a year.  I then awoke later that night with another solid hard on.  When I woke up the next day my penis was hanging bigger due to increased bloodflow, I was stunned.  Lately trazodone has been discussed and apparently there are some studies going on with it.  Here is a table breakdown of anti depressants I found.  I was worried that while trazodone may increase nighttime erections, for some reason it won't give you daytime erections, and I thought maybe it would have a decreased libido effect like most anti depressants, however this doesn't appear to be the case.

Anti depressant study

This site is a writeup on anti depressants and effect on your sex drive.  Table 1 downt he page has a good breakdown.  It lists trazodone has having an increase on ones sex drive.

Here is another study done just on trazodone for erectile dysfunction.  They couldn't reach a solid conclusion but that doesn't mean trazodone will or won't work, they need a bigger study and more of them.  To me the fact that I saw an increase in my nightime erections and Hawk did as well, combined with the fact that they are doing studies on trazodone increasing libidio tells me others must have seen the same effect and reported it to their doctor.  This new interest in trazodone(which is very cheap) is exciting, hopefully they can conduct some more solid studies.

Trazodone Study

[Hawk]

Actually, Joshua also reported (in this thread) that he had immediate results as well, and a man on the old APDA forum reported the same.  The response is undeniable in 4 out of 4 people that I can document trying it.  As ComeBackid knows, but did not go into detail, this is a 1/2 of a 50 mg tablet is minuscule fraction of the dose for anti-depression and trazadone is non-habit forming.

[Liam]

Found this summery on these two drugs and their effect on ED.  There are others on the website.

Trazodone A mild antidepressant with a rare incidence of priapism. Its effect on penile erection is thought to be the result of serotonergic and (a -adrenolytic activity. Clinical trials have shown a positive effect on nocturnal penile erection (Saenz de Tejada et al., 1991) and sexually stimulated erection (Lal et al., 1987). A combination of trazodone and yohimbine has also been reported to improve erectile function in some patients (Montorsi, 1994). The major problem of trazodone is its marked sedative effect, which may render sexual activity more difficult.

Pentoxifylline 400 mg t.i.d. was shown to be effective in improving penile brachial pressure index and erection in a placebo controlled trial.

http://www.apsir.org/html/kualalumpur97.htm

[ComeBacKid]

Hawk and others taking trazodone,

Did anyone notice besides nightime erections, that during the day their flaccid penis is more "pumped," and hangs bigger?  I read that it dialates blood vessels.  I was wondering if its ok to be on a drug like this while doing the VED and pumping blood through those dialated blood vessels.  Trazodone seems to have helped me a lot when I take it, Hawk you hit a home run when you found that drug.

ComeBackid

[Blink]

I was immediately drawn to the trazadone discussion. I had taken trazadone after the death of my daughter. I remember the effect it had on my sex drive. When I got an erection during sex, it was by far harder and lasted longer. I can recall telling a friend that I felt like a kid again, it lasted much longer during sex!  When I saw the posts on trazadone, I remembered the good stuff that happened. I was taking a much higher dose than in the discussions. I did contact my family doc and asked for a perscription of 50mg trazadone. He gave it to me without a visit, which saved me money in gas and the visit copay, and the stuff costs less than $4.00  for a script. I asked for a months supply @ one pill per day. I'm cutting the pills in half, so I'm getting two months supply for the cost of one. Add me to the list of satisfied customers, Hawk. The results are the same as the other four. That's Five outta Five, a perfect score!

                                     ComeBackid: I don't know why there would be a problem using a VED while taking the stuff, I used to be like a rabbit in the sex department when I was taking it before, and at a lot higher doseage! I've been under a lot of stress lately, and this stuff works great restoring sleep patterns. After seeing all of the expensive treatments and scams out there, it's great to find an inexpensive pill that does what we are looking for it to do! Keep the Faith, Blink

[Liam]

I found this and thought it was interesting.  Make sure to see the source web page.

Regeneration of Cavernous Nerves after Neurostomy
As growth hormone has been reported to improve nerve regeneration, we studied the effect of rat growth hormone (GH) on the regeneration of nitric oxide synthase (NOS)-containing penile nerves and the neurons in the pelvic ganglia after unilateral cavernous nerve neurotomy in rats. The results show that GH injection significantly enhances the regeneration of NOS-containing fibers in the dorsal and intracavernosal nerves after unilateral cavernous nerve injury. Electrostimulation in the GH-treated group revealed a greater maximal intracavernosal pressure and a shorter latency period. We believe that GH administration may present a new and more physiologic approach to the treatment of erectile dysfunction after radical pelvic surgery.

Source:  http://urology.ucsf.edu/faculty/facLue_Interest.html

[Hawk]

While I have not thoroughly looked at this information (I am falling a sleep at the wheel),  I would be VERY hesitant to allow the administration of growth hormone after any form of cancer surgery.

[Liam]

Hawk,

I whole heartedly agree.  I had to read through the article a couple of times to make sure I was reading it right.  The electro-stimulation sounded especially bad.

Liam

[Tim468]

Now Liam, hang on. They use electro-stimulation to make the rats get little rat erections, because it's just so hard to find good rodent porn they can read.

Tim

[Liam]

LOL

[scott]

I've just finished reading through all the communications from the beginning of this forum, and have learned quite a bit.  The importance of nocturnal erections and trazadone was especially intriguing, and I will be pursuing that with my doctor day after tomorrow.

Trazadone aside, I want to convey some experiences I have had with antidepressants over the last few months:

SSRI=selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor
SNRI=selective serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor

(All the antidepressants I'm going to discuss list possible sexual side effects, although these are usually minimized by physicians, who frequently downplay side effects to avoid self-fulfilling prophecies on the part of their patients.  Personally, I think I can handle that information up front, and have made it a point to become much more educated about the drugs I've been prescribed.)

Cymbalta (duloxetine) (SNRI): I experienced gradual loss of erectile ability and libido.  After two weeks I was unable to ejaculate.  I had tremors in my hands which persisted as long as I was on the drug.

Lexapro (escitalopram) (SSRI): Loss of libido and lack of ability to ejaculate.

Prozac (also known as Sarafem) (SSRI): TOTAL loss of libido, diminished erectile ability, and ability to ejaculate.  I remember telling my doctor, you don't even want to bother to try.

Remeron (mirtazapine) (SSRI): Diminished libido, inability to ejaculate.  You also want to eat everything in sight.  Interestingly, I later learned that this drug was widely used in nursing homes as an appetite stimulant, certainly an off-label use.

Celexa (citalopram) (SSRI): I could keep an erection, but could not ejaculate no matter how hard I tried.  This one is a close chemical cousin of Lexapro.  Celexa was developed first, but the patent expired, so Lexapro was developed as a mirror-image drug to attempt to recapture market share.

DISCUSSION: Depression is a real problem, and I would not discourage anyone from pursuing any avenue to help to alleviate that problem.  In my case, we were trying these as an adjunct to Neurontin for neuropathy pain in my legs.  I also suffered from mild (sub-clinical) depression.  HOWEVER, this is a case where the cure was worse than the problem.  In each instance, my erections improved and I was once again able to ejaculate when I discontinued the drug.  I agreed to continue to try drugs because of the pain in my legs, but finally decided antidepressants aren't for me.  Since many Peyronie's sufferers probably suffer from depression over their situation, it is not unlikely that some of them are on antidepressants.  If so, they should take a look at antidepressants as a potential source of at least part of the problem.  And to save you some time and money, I have since learned that if one SSRI affects you negatively in a sexual way, they probably all do.  I reserve comments on Wellbutrin, which is not a SSRI, but rather works on norepinephrine and dopamine.  I haven't tried that one, because it appeared that my tremors on Cymbalta had to do with norepinephrine.

Hope this is helpful to someone, and thanks for all the information in this and other forums.

By the way, as a novice computer person, could someone please inform me as to the mean of lol and LOL?  Thanks.

[Blink]

Scott, wow! you said a mouthful there. That was some interesting stuff. BTW :LOL means Laugh Out Loud! BTW means BY THE WAY  Keep the Faith...Blink

[ComeBacKid]

Scott,

I tried both celexa and lexapro, my doctor told me that lexapro was a newer and more refined version of celexa with less side effects.  Nonetheless I noticed with the lexapro it was extremely hard to ejaculate, this is the common side effect from it.  I also slowly lost my libido, which now seems to be totally gone, even being off of the drug for a year.  I'm trying to find a medication to restore that libido and random daytime erections.  

The Wellbutrin will increase your sex drive, this is what my doctor has told me, I didn't ask him about trazodone, but have noticed erections at night, and increased bloodflow during the day, making for an increase in size due to blood vessel dialation.  My doctor to confirmed that the SSRI's usually have some kind of sexual side effects.  

The viagra seems to give me more full and solid erections, I'm just undecided whether I should be taking it daily when I'm already on Iono, VED, ALC, L Arginine, and trazodone.  

ComeBackid

[Kimo]

ComeBackid,,,At about 45 yrs old i started loosing all my libido and was that way for a few yrs,,,it was not from taking any meds, my body just quit making  testosterone, it was about 10yrs before i found a good URO who tested me and said it could be fixed..He put me on ANDROGEL, it looks like KY Jelly and you just rub it on twice a day on your shoulders,,,WOW, what a difference it made for me,,matter of fact it took my testosterone levels too high for and old fart like me,,,,As for numbers go 200 is considered 0 and 800 is considered normal for a 20 to 30 yr old,,,it brought mine up to 831 and let me tell ya,,i was climbing the walls, man i was hornier than i could stand,,so he lowered the dosage and it was better....Anyways,,you might think about having your testosterone level checked out,,,,it's just my thoughts....

Malamapono,,,,,Kimo

[Liam]

Scott,

Tried Remeron for 2 months.  I gained almost 20 lb.  I started having edema in my ankles and feet.

I changed to Wellbutrin and the edema went away.  The weight is coming off much more slowly than I put it on, though.  No sexual side effects except maybe some improvement.  I can't give the credit to the Wellbutrin.  But, at least it hasn't hurt.

[zigwyth]

Just got trazadone at 50mg. prescribed. Is anybody here real drowzy through the day with headaches after taking this? I'm on so many sups with Trazadone and Pentox, not sure what's causing this. Any Thoughts?
Zigwyth the Twiggith

[Rico]

Zig,

I'm not taking it, the 50mg I think is double what people are taking that are not looking for a anti depressant. I think they are taking 25mg. I have read that you will feel dozy for the first couple of hours in the morning, but it should go away. Also your body will adjust to it after several weeks.

Mixing and matching a whole bunch of supplements? I think we can go over board with them. It is hard to tell also what is working and what isn't. There have been too many positive reports with alc, arginine and over all good diet to discount these in my opinion.

I thought about taking the tazadone also, thought it might be good for depression and erections. I have night time ones, so I decided to go the route of exercise, it always puts me in a good mood, endorphins.

I had to back off the dmso, it burnt my skin after six applications. So I'm taking a step to the left and adjusting.

So far for me what seems to work is.....a good arginine, alc, glutamine sports mix, a well thought out and consistent diet, epsom salt baths, and lots of sleep....this is where the trazodone might help some people, the stress of this or when life gets in the way....you need sleep to heal....my self, if I go for a three mile run, do some weight training ect.....I get the same results, the epsom salt baths also induce sleep for me....

This weekend instead of soaking my self in thacker, I made a tee time, I going to play 18 and get some fresh air....a good dinner...movie and a warm bath...maybe a cold beer afterwars at the 19th hole....

Every time I think of a new supplement, the first thing I do is look for foods with this in it, and it to my shopping list for groceries, natural is better....

The first several months is hard with peyronies, you become anxious, question your mascunity and become depress and stressed out...then start looking for the magic pill.....

I have only had this now for four months, I can have sex if I choose, I'm a lucky one.

I take now cq10/vit e(it comes in the same pill) msm, fish oil(omega three) along with the arginine, alc sport mix......serrapeptase(trying this).......The only reason I'm doing this enzyme is the lady at the store said she seen results in four weeks on her c section scars, I'm very doubtful, it doesn't dissolve the same plaque, but she could really care less if I bought it or not, the live testimony and the cost was 17 dollars for a month I added it to my list.

I was told and believe you have to limited the number of supplements, try to get it down to under six, some say four, I count my sport mix as one, this is because they have been put together to work hand in hand, and fish oil(omega three), I don't count, but do believe this is one of the most important supplement to take, I don't see it working against anything. Hard drugs, pentox, trazadone ect...put  together by your doctor for a specific condition, well then if this is your choice I would talk to him about your other supplements....

One has to look at there age also and general eating habits and health condition. I take a prostate vitamin, I'm over 50, no prostate problems, but prevention is the best medicine, it is really a condense tomato paste...I eat a steam beet every night, great for your colon health....

ALC l believe is more needed for someone over 40.....

I know for myself, you can read on post on this forum or somewhere on the net, like I took capro and my peyronies went away, and we all want to be saved also...I'm just as guilty, I had a bad experience with burning and taste on the dmso years ago, but kept reading post on it, pretty soon I had it on, now I have a sun burnt looking penis, and back to the drawing board.....I'm talking as you can all see to myself again on here:)....but I'm sticking now to the diet I have put together, this I can tell is helping me with all aspects of my life, and is the life style one should lead, peyronies free or not, plenty of fresh air and exercise, humor, pray, and some supplements, once again the only one I'm taking that I wouldn't take anyway is serrapeptase, the ALC I found because of peyronies, and I would take this anyway.....

I checked into the ved, my insurance won't cover it....the new model should be out in several weeks, I talked to the rep at soma, and gave him my urologist name to get the prescriptson I need....since most of my program is leaning towards a physical approach to this, the VED seems to make sense to me at this point in the game.....Take care and God Bless...

Rico

[ComeBacKid]

Zig,

Yes the first few times taking trazodone, I got real drowsy, this effect will go away over time, try taking only a half of the 50mg dosage, I think this is what most of us are on.  The only side effects I've noticed are some dehydration, and aching feet in the morning, along with that drowsiness.  The effects seem to be lessening now that I've been on the drug consistently for awhile.  

I still have the "fuller," feeling penis when flaccid, but have noticied a delay time in ejaculation, similar to what I experienced while on lexapro, then it was even harder to ejaculate.  I will keep you posted if I notice any other side effects.

ComeBackid

[Hawk]

The ONLY side effect I have experienced is that if I am real sleepy, (like now) and take 25 mg it will make me more sleepy.  I never felt tired in the mornings, never drained, groggy, or dehydrated (I drink 6 - 8 glasses of water per day).  I certainly never felt any pain and I do not think pain is even a listed rare side effect.

[hopeful]

Hi Rico,,

This is Hopeful.. I have trouble with the baths- mainly because - I feel weaker- and my heart arrythmia.. What about just soakling a wash cloth with warm eposm salt- and applying to th penis... do you think it works- I have the Epsom Salt creme which I am using as well.

Hopeful

Zig,

So far for me what seems to work is.....a good arginine, alc, glutamine sports mix, a well thought out and consistent diet, epsom salt baths, and lots of sleep....this is where the trazodone might help some people, the stress of this or when life gets in the way....you need sleep to heal....my self, if I go for a three mile run, do some weight training ect.....I get the same results, the epsom salt baths also induce sleep for me.

[hopeful]

[Kimo- are you stil on Androgel?- and how much does it cost- and what are the side effects.


Thank you,

Hopeful

[zigwyth]

Thanks guys. Actually I have noticed taking a little longer to ejaculate as well since starting the Trazadone. It is helping me to sleep however. Have pretty bad insomnia. The Bath soaks definitely help. I actually ordered Dead Sea Salt online for other skin issues originally. Headaches are probably due to Stress.
Zigwyth

[Rico]

Hopefull,

I had tried to send you a message(pm) several days ago, you mail box is or was full. I don't know if soaking your unit in a warm wash rag with epsom salts will do much. Epsom salts won't dissolve the plaque, this is more for inflammation and to relax. Hot and cold therapy is also good for circulation, run warm water on the scar for one minute and then cold, do this seven times for each 14 total minutes. Arginine/ornithine/glutamine is something I would also take for wound healing. Taking MSM orally also along with some fish oil.....take care..Rico

Zig,

If you are having head aches, make sure you are drinking lots of water, start with 12oz as soon as you get up, put a large glass next to your bed also. If one becomes thirsty, this means he is already becoming dehydrated, you should never feel like you need a drink. Also don't drink tap water....filter or best is distilled, regular water is full of rock minerals, these we don't digest, cause of kidney stones ect...you need to get you minerals from plants(veggies/fruits, raw)....take care...

Rico