Traction

[Hawk]

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[AR]

Hawk.
First, regarding that last post, thanks for looking out for us.

I'm sitting here stretching with my new X4 and having a 6 oz. glass of wine, and I may have a second, before the night is through.  I read that while in traction, I shouldn't try urinating or defecating, having sex, or operating heavy machinery, but should I be concerned about 12 ounces of red wine?

PS. The strap system is totally comfortable, but getting it on without pinching myself has been problematic.  Ouch!

AR

[bodoo2u]

I tried to urinate the other day with my traction (noose) device on and it burned like crazy. I thought I was going to burst something, so I stopped and loosened the noose. I'll take it completely off next time.

WHEW!!! That was scary.

[Ptolemy]

jsotheby,

I think I have regained some of the length I lost, and most of the girth. The girth came first, but I'm still not as thick in the area of the plaque as i was before. The curve looks better most days, but sometimes when I wake up at night with an erection it looks like there has been no improvement. At this point I will be happy not to progress any further.

My results thus far are similar. Prior to Traction I had lost considerable length and have gained +25% of the lost length back. So I'm still about 20% short of where I was prior to peyronies. I don't have the "turtle" problem I used to have. Unfortunately night time erections show zero improvement in the bend.

I find wearing the traction device a huge impact to anything I do. I would never wear it in public and sitting is about all I do when it is on. And I find it distracting trying to work in my home office with this metal contraption extending out between my legs. Right now I'm working from home and wear the device 3 to 4 hour a day. When I get back into an office I won't get more use than an hour a day.

[Hawk]

PS. The strap system is totally comfortable, but getting it on without pinching myself has been problematic.  Ouch!

AR, are you putting the foam ring on your penis before you put the traction device on?  That pretty much eliminates any pinching and makes wearing it even more comfortable.

[bodoo2u]

Hawk,

Where can I buy a foam ring to wear with my traction device. I'm sure the added comfort would allow me to wear it for 8 hours a day. At present I use gauze to cushion the noose and it works moderately well.

Ptolemy: I have a homemade device that I purchased from someone on eBay and I am able to wear it under my clothes with no problem. I wear a loose pair of briefs that give me the room I need for the device, and at the same time prevent the device from moving too much. Although I mainly wear it at home I have been to the grocery store and and to the library with it on, and I can do almost anything in it, such as cut the grass and wash my car. Maybe you need to readjust the device.

[Hawk]

Boodoo2u,

...For instance X4 Labs includes foam for each type of retention system.  A foam ring that surrounds the head of the penis for the comfort strap, and a foam sleeve to go over the noose, pictured below.  I think other quality systems include similar pads.  The pads that come with the X4 feel like memory foam.  If you press your thumb into them it forms to the thumb and the thumb print stays for a period after removing the pressure.

Bodoo2u, clicking on the above quote will take you to a picture I attached to that post.  Other traction companies may sell these as well.  They ones that came with my device are memory foam.

[AR]

Yes Hawk,

I use the foam ring, but still have to work out the kinks (pun intended), when getting into my X4.  

Actually, part of the problem as I see it, is that the rubber strap is 1" wide with an ergonomic curve (that actually increases it's width), and the foam ring is only 1 1/4" wide which doesn't allow much room for error when tightening-in, and this is when I've pinched myself.  A better foam ring, I think, would be closer to 2" wide..?  

This is not a complaint but an observation.  I can tell this is a well designed tool and I'm very happy with it.

I didn't realize it was "memory" foam...I see a joke here.

AR

[Hawk]

The only time I ever pinched myself was the first time when I did not use the foam.  When I tightened the strap it drug some excess skin through the slot that holds the strap.    It was a good lesson and has never happened with the sleeve.

I say the sleeves are memory foam because they react as such.  They hold a print or depression and do not rebound like normal foam.  While I never read this, they have to be memory foam.

[Ptolemy]

Ptolemy: I have a homemade device that I purchased from someone on eBay and I am able to wear it under my clothes with no problem. I wear a loose pair of briefs that give me the room I need for the device, and at the same time prevent the device from moving too much. Although I mainly wear it at home I have been to the grocery store and and to the library with it on, and I can do almost anything in it, such as cut the grass and wash my car. Maybe you need to readjust the device.

Well, I decided to quit being such a wimp and try an outing with the device on - nothing more than a walk down the block to Starbucks. I took 2 small links on each side out of the device to ensure it would stay on, pulled on the biggest pair of pants that I have and checked myself out in the mirror. Clearly I can see this contraption hanging half way down to my knee. I made the trip but felt too self conscious for a repeat. I guess for me it will continue to be a transaction executed at home.

[Hawk]

Ptolemy,

Riddle me this!  Why would a man who hangs down to his knees wear a penis extender???  Or, do you have very short thighs?

[Old Man]

Hawk:

He said half way to his knee! Even that would be a plus factor for a lot of us, huh?

Old Man

[Ptolemy]

Well maybe I exaggerated for effect. When you're used barely hanging at all and not only hanging but the device is keeping perfect beat with the right leg, it's enough to keep my brain engaged.

I don't know how you guys out of the closet can do it. I have to grab it and reposition it every time I sit down or stand up.

I'm thinking I should try sleeping with it on. I know they suggest not! I'm a light sleeper so a little less length and a little less tightness on the grasp should work. I would think like any stretching - less intensity more frequently is better than more intensity but less frequently.

[Pops]

To All,

Has anyone used the rubber band (Surgical Tubing) type traction before and was it successful? I'm referring to the type that anchors to the leg. I travel a lot and when using my personal vehicle to travel this sounds like it would be ideal.

[Steve]

I just ran across this abstract:
Penile Traction Therapy for Treatment of Peyronie's Disease: A Single-Center Pilot Study - Abstract it's by Dr Levine, and can be found at http://www.urotoday.com/3351/browse_categories/peyronies_disease/penile_traction_therapy_for_treatment_of_peyronies_disease_a_singlecenter_pilot_study__abstract.html

Steve

[newguy]

I just ran across this abstract:
Penile Traction Therapy for Treatment of Peyronie's Disease: A Single-Center Pilot Study - Abstract it's by Dr Levine, and can be found at http://www.urotoday.com/3351/browse_categories/peyronies_disease/penile_traction_therapy_for_treatment_of_peyronies_disease_a_singlecenter_pilot_study__abstract.html

Steve

Sounds quite positive. Like others though, I hold some reservations due to Dr Levines connection with fastsize. The device is even mentioned in the abtract and it comes off a bit as 'product placement'. Of course that's just my opinion, and I do believe that traction can be useful in treating peyronies disease. I just get a little nervous at how the waters can be muddied at times with various interests involved.

How many people here use a VED and traction in a kind of duel treatment program? It would seem that the two treatments combined could complement each other well.

[Ptolemy]

How many people hear use a VED and traction in a kind of duel treatment program? It would seem that the two treatments combined could complement each other well.

There are a few of us that post regularly to this site that have been using Traction since the beginning of the year. jjmnpi a little longer. I also use VED and I believe some others here do as well. I agree with you, I think VED and Traction are complimentary. After 3 months averaging close to 4 hours a day of use (currently I'm able to work out of my home) I have definitely improved on the curvature (or should I say straightening) and the length and girth have improved as well. It's still a little early to get too excited, this disease has the ability it seems, to set you up for a hard fall.

[Tim468]

To Pops: To my knowlege. no one here uses that traction system. I am about to order a combined set of stuff that include a failry cool device that attaches well and can be adapted to a standard traction device (which I shall also get) and to a leg band (or to one that goes along the inguinal crease - like a belt). I will let you know about it.  The main issue is what attaches to your penis - and might it be bad for you.

To Steve and NewGuy: Levine has no choice but to use a medical grade device. It is likely that any one of them is as good as the other. I agree that he has what seems to be a sort of cozy relationship with them, as he is on their board of advisors (or some such title). I noted that when a surgical study came out of Seattle, that they used the ERecAid VED device to aid in post operative healing. I don't think that the senior author of that study was on the board of advisor s for ERecaid though! In all of these situations, although I think it really doesn't matter, one HAS to use the same device for every guy or else it is one more variable that is not well controlled for. If it is not medical grade, then it will not be approved by the hospital institutional review board. Finally, knowing the proiduct intimately will assure the principal investigator that the product is good enough. The relationships are always complicated when there is profit involved. Imagine what it's like when you are making something that is patnetable and can help millions of people - like a new drug for hypertension or something. Then the potential for abise is far greater IMO.

I am excited to see this out there. Unlike the Verapamil studies (or you-name-it studies...) the results he reports have been sort of replicated here by those trying it.

Tim

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0022534705656728

[newguy]

Maybe I'm just being too cynical . Realistically, the more studies like this that emerge the better, especially if they are from various sources. The problem being I suppose, that people are hardly clambering over themselves to study peyronies.

[AR]

Ptolemy, newguy.  I'm in my first month of the combo treatment with nothing positive to report (yet), but a question perhaps to Ptolemy:  what's your protocol within a day?  VED first, or after a stint in traction?  What time of day for each, etc.?  I'm worried that I might be over doing it.  My penis hasn't had this much personal one-on-one since I was like 14 or so... The other night after both traction and vacuum my wife and I gave it a whirl and I had a lot more hinging and pain than usual..?

AR

[bodoo2u]

I would say that you overdid it a bit. I find that when I use the VED immediately after wearing the traction device I tend to feel a "burning" sensation, which is probably inflammation, if not damage.

You need to be careful. Maybe you shouldn't do both methods in the same day, or have intercourse after using the VED. Just remember: the slightest damage could be fatal to your sex life.

[Ptolemy]

I do 20 minutes with the VED every morning, pretty much the first activity of the morning. The Traction does irritate the skin so the morning is when the skin on the penis is in the best shape for the VED.

With the Traction, since I only wear the device at home, I wear it whenever possible but not more than 4 hours in a day. Right now I'm working at home often. I don't wear it for more than an hour at a time. I found if I wear it 2 hours in a session I get more skin irritation. I'm also careful to monitor the tension. When the tension is too great and it slips off that also leads to skin irritation. I apply lots of skin cream after each use and use baby wipes to makes sure the cream is removed before I apply the next hour of Traction. I find cream leads to slippage. On those days that I don't get 4 hours I don't try to make it up the next day. I've tried making up the next day only to irritate the skin.

[LWillisjr]

I'm new...   but good to finally find a Peyronies Disease site that is somewhat current. Others I found haven't been posted on for months.

I currently am a patient of Dr. Levine. And just got my 6th VI today. He uses a 3 step treatment process for Peyronies Disease. IT includes...  1. Oral medication,  2. VI injections, and 3. Stretching. Admittedly for me, I have seen little progress so far. And even though Dr. Levine has statistical data that proves this treatment approach is effective, it doesn't work for everyone.

I've been using/wearing Fastsize since December. I'm up to 4-6 hours per day. Dr. Levine says to try to get to 6-8 hours per day as this is wear he sees his patients with the most improvement.

I share all the concerns about wearing it public, having to be careful when sitting, etc. A trick I started doing which helps me is to wrap a kleenex around the base of my penis before putting on the fastsize. This way the plastic ring is pressing against the kleenex and not my skin. I seem to be able to wear it quit comfortably now, I at least don't have the pinching and soreness from before.

[AR]

Welcome to the forum Iwillisjr.

I, along with Hawk and some others, use the X4 stretcher that comes with foam rings that fit around your penis and cushion it from the strap. Hawk posted the site somewhere down the line, where you can purchase these.

Just out of curiosity, how much dues it cost to see Dr. Levine?

AR

[Tim468]

Many who use the noose of the foam rings find that placing a piece of BabyWipes material as a cushion works even better than paper, tape or other stuff. It seems the hypoallergenic properties along with Aloe in the material make it quite good for the skin. I learned this trick (but have yet to try it myself) at the largest "penis enlargement" web site online (ie lots of guys with lots of experience).

Tim

[Pops]

I've been looking for a traction device I can wear when I'm traveling and located the vacuum cap type device on the web and felt this would be the thing. It's not much to it and I was going to order it until I found it cost $90.00 plus shipping. So, I think I'll try to build one. I went to the hardware store and purchased some PVC pipe caps and I'll start with that on my project.

Does anyone know of a source for the rubber sleeve needed to build this fixture? Does any one know where to buy surgical tubing? Walmart and hardware stores don't have any.

[jackp]

Pops
Clear tubing is available at Home Depot and Lowes in the plumbing department. They also have an assortment of fittings.
Should be ok for use outside the body. Just wash with soap and hot water.
May work for you.
Jackp

[LWillisjr]

AR,

To my amazement.....   Dr. Levine was covered under my medical insurance plan. I just started to see him in December and waiting for the insurance bills to catch up. I'm sure I have some sort of copay or something. During the first visit he does require/schedules a penile duplex ultrasound. And I did get a bill from the hospital for my share (after insurance) of a couple hundred dollars. He immediately started Verapamil injections. I'll check and email/post any information on this.

[AR]

Thanks for that info Iwillisjr.

jackp:  I think Pops meant "surgical tubing", which is translucent, amber colored, and very elastic rubber (at least the kind I've used in the past).  If this is what you meant Pops, try a hobby shop (believe it or not), as they use it to launch  RC sailplanes.   Also, I just remembered, they use it in physical therapy clinics, in different opaque/bright colors and thicknesses that denote it's stretchability, and hence, it's resistance.  Perhaps Tim can chime in on this.

If you do construct something, please try and take pics and post them for us to see.

AR

[Hawk]

Pops,

Many towns of modest size have a medical or surgical supply store that sell all that stuff to pretty much anyone.  At least that is my experience and I have to think there are about a million places on the internet.

[Pops]

If all of you are familiar with the type of apparatus I'm referring to you know it will take a large, soft and pliable type of tubing. This tubing will have to roll down over the end of the penis and not be so tight as to cut off circulation. I feel that I'll only find this on the web. I'll keep you informed of any progress.

[Tim468]

Pops is referring to the "VacADS" device. It is handmade by a guy who seems pretty devoted to making PE stuff and he seems to be well respected in that community. He makes silicone sleeves that roll onto the penis and give some traction. It is possible that a medical supply house oculd seel a "Penrose" drain that does the same thing (not sure if that is available outside the OR).

He makes them with soft silicone that is stickier than rubber, and softer. I was planning to try out his new system in fact.

Tim

[AR]

Thanks Tim,  I just googled VacADs... and, Yikes!!  I guess it 's discreet and you could go out in public with it, but it looks a little medieval...

I was reminded by one of it's permutations of wrapping around the waist - that in the dark ages of my penis problem I was concerned that the direction I "tucked" might have some baring on my condition and subsequently threw-out all my constricting briefs, and went to wearing loose fitting boxer-briefs which I found, offer more freedom and a more natural hang... God, the theories we're left to conjure!

I'm curious Tim, what is it's draw for you?

Please keep us posted.

AR

[Old Man]

AR:

Funny that you would change from briefs to boxer style shorts. I had a vasectomy many years ago and the surgeon recommended using briefs then. I refused to wear them as, like you freedom counted, but I soon realized what he meant. The added hang pressure cause my testicles to hurt and I had to wear a few of my wife's panties for a while to compensate. OK guys, go ahead and laugh, but they worked!

Later, after my prostatectomy, my uro stated that I should try the briefs again to relieve the pressure. So, I tried them again and have been using them now for 13 years without any problem. His explanation of why to wear them sounded logical to me. He said that one's penis supported in an upward position, not downward was much easier on the penis and testicles not hanging down without support was better than being unsupported by boxers. I soon found out that he was right, and the rest is history. He knew of no reason why being in the upward position would cause trauma or injury to the penis. Made sense to me.

I highly recommend briefs that give more support than the open boxers which allow everything to just hang loose and are more susceptible to injury. Anyway, this is just my observations from my past history. If one is doing the traction therapy, boxers are in order to allow the extra space needed to have room for the device.

Old Man

[AR]

Old Man:

Damn.  My wife will kill me if I go out and spend more money replacing all those briefs I threw out!  Also, she thinks I look sexier in these new boxer/briefs... but thanks for that info.  Knowing this I'll pay closer attention to my hang and see how it feels.

Auh.., by the way, which colors of your wife's panties did you like best..?

Smiley face here.

Best,

AR

[Old Man]

AR:

Yep, briefs do act somewhat like a jock strap to help hold things in place! She only let me have those that had holes in them and they were assorted colors. She said that after I wore them she did not want them back again! Had to wear a pad due to some slight incontinence - urinary that is.
The panties helped hold them in place so they did not slip around, etc.

Oh well, I guess that one does what they have to when in a storm, huh?

Old Man

PS: AR, all you have to do add smiley faces and other icons in your text is simply place your pointer on the one you want to insert and left click on it with your mouse. It will show up in your written text as a symbol or letter, but when you post it, it will show in the topic as the icon itself.

[AR]

Thanks for putting a "smile" on my face today Old Man, I appreciate your humor.
 AR

[Tim468]

So far I cannot recommend the guy who makes the VacADS system (autoextender dot com). Although I feel he is dedicated to doing it, he is lackadaisical in his inability to communicate with his customers. I have yet to get my order (five days and it has not shipped yet) and he has ignored multiple emails to him - not good. Moreover the only way I can get hold of him is through a PE site (which I prefer to not go to) - he seems to be able to post there just fine.

I am pissed off and feel unlikely to be able to give a good review here. Hopefully the product - if I ever get it - will cure my ill-will. He sure has not.

Tim

[trigger]

I have done a lot of research and reading on this forum. Thanks so much to everyone for there input it really has made me realise how much i never knew and still need to ask the man that "may" be cutting me open.
I haven't really read about much success with traction or VED for a congenital curve. Anyone had any results? i did watch a webcast with Dr Levine and he says there's an improvment using traction but then someoen else mentions that he is part of the company who makes them,  so he would say that.

[AR]

Tim:
Sorry to hear about your problems with the VacADS guy. I know how frustrating a situation like that can be; especially when you really want or need it, (but when is that not the case?)  Maybe back off and take a deep breath.. ?  If he only knew how many interested and potential parties like myself are reading your reports!  Best, AR

trigger: Keep reading!  
I use a stretcher, (with nothing ill to report) and it makes no difference to me wether Dr. Levine is in the business or not... actually, it could mean that he believes, or has seen that they work..!?  I don't know about congenital curves.  Good luck, AR

[newguy]

Not the most positive comment to post, but I've been using the fastsize lately for a few hours a day, increasing useage whenever possible. A week or so back the left side of my penis (the shorter, peyronies side) started to ache (a dull constant ache) and only today has it stopped. I am taking pentox in the hope of countering any potential damage, but am a little worried that as far as my condition is concerned I may have inadvertently made a bad situation worse. I guess I'll have to wait a few weeks to gather a firm opinion about that. It's possible that I have been using it too aggresively... on a couple of occasions I masturbated shortly afterwards too which was a little stupid of me maybe. It's very possible that I am just disproportionately worried about something that is really not all that serious at all, but I have learned not to shrug off anything penis related!  

[Ptolemy]

Newguy, there are more experienced guys out there than me but I'll give you my 2 cents worth.

1. I can't see masturbation as hurting (or helping) peyronies after or before traction provided your style of masturbation is not hurtful.

2. I spent the first 16 months of my Peyronies applying verapamil. IMO it was a total waste when had I known, I could have been doing more helpful treatments. During that period the plaque grew from the size of a small pea to the size of a quarter, my penis went from straight to a 90 degree bend and I lost about an inch and 1/2 of length. I can't help but wonder if I would have spent the first 16 months on Traction and/or VED if I would be a lot better off today (less bend, more length and less plaque). I have learned for me to use pain as the threshold to work within. I have felt some stretching/ache with the Traction and will reduce the tension depending upon the feel. I've got to believe that since stretching is what I'm trying to achieve, there will be some new feelings around the plaque area.

In the early days of this disease I was looking for a quick cure even though I was told and read that it doesn't happen. I noticed things about my penis that never would have entered my brain prior to peyronies. Some of the guys here have spent 10 years or more working on improvements. For me, listening to the guys here and applying my own lessons learned through the process works best. Bottom line, I don't think you've done any damage and doing nothing to treat this disease is the worst thing you can do.

[AR]

Hey Guys.

Newguy, and Ptolemy:  Until a couple of weeks ago I was doing both stretching and pumping. Some times intermittently, and sometimes both in the same day, and often times, making whoopee with the wife afterwards.  ( I mean, how much handling and attention can you pay to your Johnson and not feel the need to try it out..!?)  During these encounters I usually felt acutely fragile: more pain than usual, and more need to fist it to penetrate and to get it going...

The last time I pumped, (I'm pretty sure) I over did it; having sex later that evening was more painful, curvature "seemed" to be greater, distal flaccidity greater, and in general, more stressful than ever before! I've been pretty bumbed since, and haven't had the courage to substantiate or dispel my fears...

It is my belief, based on my experience and intuition, that tells me: it is not a good idea to either have sex or to masturbate "shortly" after racking ourselves with these machines of hopeful potential..!!

I'm sickened to think that, as you put it Newguy, "..I may have inadvertently made a bad situation worse."

I'll look forward to Old Man's or other veterans response to this issue, and when I get up to getting my protractor out, I'll post what I've learned.

AR

[Ptolemy]

Yes, I agree that the veterans are the best to listen to on this. I must say though that you are a lot braver than I am. Any pain or abnormality that I feel - during treatment or sex - triggers an immediate stop.

[Angus]

   Guys... I know you're concerned with possible new damage, pain, aches, wierd feelings, and being scared that something else awful has happened after traction, the VED and sex all in the same day. Think of it this way: Traction and the VED put a little stress on a penis; traction in lengthwise stretching and the VED in the length and width-wise planes. All I can say is (from experience here), to learn to give things a rest after traction or a VED session. Keep tensions on traction and pressures on the VED within reason and don't go near a discomfort or pain level. I've believed all along that with a tension or stretching/remolding therapy that "less is more", or in other words, a reasonable, comfortable amount of tension or vacuum administered in a regular, day to day schedule will produce results more favorable than taking things to the pain threshold. I full well know that thoughts like "Well, maybe just a little more tension or vacuum will stretch it out longer and harder and get me straighter faster..."" These same thoughts ran across my mind when I started out. I learned quickly, however, that my body cannot be rushed! My body told me when the limit of pressure was reached and when "it" thought the session should end, after many cycles. A few times at first, I didn't listen to my body and kept right on, trying to see how big I could get it during a session. The resulting swelling, skin edema, redness and the crazy way my penis looked after this put the ol' fear in me. I started listening to the physical messages by body was sending me... I could feel the stretch happening while pumping; I discovered that going beyond this point to discomfort levels was NOT helping me out and not speeding up any straightening.
  Give things a couple of  days to settle down, to let some swelling and edema go down, then start your protocol with very reasonable tension and pressures. Listen to your bodys messages. Don't be tempted to go for that extra stretch or pump. Stay with reasonable amounts on a more regular basis and your body will be much happier. I seriously doubt that any of you have caused more damage in there; a penis is tougher than you think. For lots of us it took quite a hit to do the damage in the first place (hard, rough masturbation or a badly aimed thrust during sex) and I don't think anything any of you have described would cause more damage. Just take it easy. Don't be so anxious to try it out after a period of traction and/or the VED the same day. Give things time to recover from the treatment and settle down. If you are still compelled to be close to your significant other right after a serious traction or VED treatment, I recommend making microwave popcorn or kettle corn, obtaining beverages of your choice, then watching a movie in the darkened living room; light a couple of candles. Hold each other close. Making out is allowed, but not during the last 10 minutes of the movie... no man with morals would allow himself or the companion to miss how the movie turns out!
  Everyone just calm down a little, be reasonable with these treatments, and don't be compelled to "hop to it" so fast. Life is good, and movies and popcorn are good. After treatment, keep the ol' jeans zipped (or buttoned) and enjoy some serious hugging, movies and popcorn, and life will be good.
  PS: Orville Redenbachers Movie Popcorn doesn't stick in teeth as bad as some other brands          

[newguy]

Thanks all for your advice, I'll be sure to take it on board. I'm going to have a break for a few more days, then tentatively enter back into my routine. For what it's worth I've never had any problems whatsoever with the VED. I only recently added traction into the routine, so I think what happened is my of a sign that I need to ease myself in and not be so gung ho. I'll be sure to post an update regarding this if there are any negative developments.. hopefully there won't be. For what it's worth I do think that use of a combination of the VED and traction device combined is possibly the best treatment for peyronies currently available. It's just a matter of knowing your body well, realising that sometimes less is more, and viewing any treatment program in terms of years rather than weeks. It's a marathon, not a sprint .

[jackp]

newguy
If masterbation causes problems all of us are in trouble!.
From just reading your post sounds like Venous Leakage. Have you had a color doppler lately?
Usually I do not use the VED exercise and then have sex. I use the VED and constriction rings for sex but it is not the same as exercise, and usually hours apart. As far as traction I have never used it so I have no opinion.
As venous leakage get worse the ED gets worse, as the ED gets worse then the fibrosis of the corpora's starts. Vicious cycle and for me the VED exercise has help with Old Mans guidance.
Gung Ho is not good. I hurt myself with the VED to start out with a edema and took weeks to heal.
Lots of Luck and do not be so hard on yourself.
Jackp

[newguy]

An update to my previous post. The aching had stopped as I mentioned in the post, but a day later it returned. There has been a dull ache for around two weeks now. I'm hoping it goes away of course. Erection quality is not quite as it was before that time also, i am also thinking that there may be some slight changes to the fibers which is worrying to me. I've booked an appointment to check this out but it's not for another ten days. Hopefully at that time I'll know more.

I am still not totally sure what caused this other than possibly a more enthusiastic routine. Maybe I overworked my little fella. For the time being I am going to take viagra, vit e, ibufrofin and pentox. I'd been doing these things before, but not all concurrently. I'm hesitant to launch back into traction right now,  but do you guys think it'd be a good idea to attempt to continue with the VED? I've had a few days off to allow this problem to go away. The ache remains, but has lessened, and if damage has been done, I want to at least ensure that I have some kind of damage limitation process in place.

[Old Man]

Newguy:

I see no reason why you should not resume the VED therapy. Just use a very minimum vacuum pressure and do not do the session to excess. IOW, just take it easy and do the exercises with extreme care and if you feel any further pain or discomfort quit immediately and wait a few days before trying again.

Traction is another story though since it requires extended periods of time, so use your best judgement there.

Old Man

[Ptolemy]

I don't remember reading of either the VED or Traction making Peyronies worse IF the use was reasonable. I have never had much pain with my Peyronies so I'm not the best to comment on pain but what I would do is exactly what Old Man says on the VED and with Traction I would use but with much less tension. I believe if I was using Traction (gently) while the plaque was growing more rapidly, that I would have less bend than I do today. Unfortunately we are all experimenting here and our study group is narrowed down to our own penis.

If I am remembering, it appears that those with pain have rapid development of Peyronies but are more likely as well to achieve quicker resolution. I think the guys like me with slow development make for the most difficult to remedy.