I've been using the heatpack idea that 'wakenbake69' originally posted / recommended.
I ordered the same brand 'Hot Hands'. I hold them in place with a wide Velcro tape wrap I knocked up myself.
After 8 days only so far, wearing one for a minimum of 4 continuous hours / day but usually closer to 6 hours, there is already a very marked effect.
Generally, everything feels 'normal' down there now. Any aching there was has completely gone (although it wasn't that serious pain as others seem to get, more just a constant reminder of your problem). That tenderness/pain that you get if you knock or catch a plaque has gone. The plaques are harder to find, not so pronounced if you know what I mean. Also, flaccid length seems to have gone up and everything hangs normally.
I have ordered a shed load of them and will continue to supplement my existing treatment routine with these heat packs everyday
Nice one! Where did you order them from?
I'm trying to find a good bulk seller so I can grab a whole lot of them, or maybe I should just bite the bullet and make myself an electric heating pad.
That's great news. Heat, like traction or VED, always gives me near immediate results.
I also noticed that it can make the bend more pronounced at times, only to return to a better state after.
If I could help you guys get some Japanese hand warmers I would!
What are some of the good hand warmer brands other than Hothands? They might be available on aliexpress.
Japanese hand warmers are called "kairo" and I use pokopoko brand. I got about 10 large ones for one dollar. I am hunting for a link for other guys to get some since hand warmers are much more common here.
New technique incoming as of this morning! 8)
Use a toilet paper roll. Wrap your penis in a medium to large hand warmer, then put a toilet paper roll over it to keep it in place. Twist it as you put it on a bit in order to fit the entire thing inside the roll. This is very comfortable for home use and keeps the heat hot and in place with compression. With some looser pants one could easily go outside without anyone noticing.
Do not sleep while wearing this
I think HotHands are quite pricey in the UK but I bought them from Amazon which was a UK supplier fulfilled by Amazon
Unsurprisingly, the best price per warmer was attained buying the '5 pairs' pack (the biggest pack I could find). I got a bit of an Amazon discount for ordering 5 packs of the 5 pairs packs. I ended up at about 0.77 pence per warmer. Although hand warmers obviously come in pairs, with HotHands, each warmer is in a separate sealed pack so you can just use a single each time without compromising the other warmer in the pair pack.
After reading many reviews of different brands, HotHands came out on top for two things. The lowest failure rate per warmer (some warmers fail to get upto full heat) and they last the longest. The 10 hours heat they claim is there for sure. I get 6 hours very good heat and I would say everyone of them has been good for 8 hours at a constant heat. Some reviews also mentioned this brand got hotter than others. They take about 10 mins out of the pack in the air and a few shakes to get up to full heat
I got a pack of 40 going though Flubit for £28.64.
Yeah I bought a bunch also. The dimensions are annoying though. A single one you could wrap all/most of the way around would be perfect.
It doesn't burn holding it directly to the penis?
Quote from: skunkworks on March 11, 2016, 11:25:07 AMdimensions are annoying though. A single one you could wrap all/most of the way around would be perfect.
Yeah, hence my velcro wrap to keep it over the plaque area :)
Quote from: basebend on March 11, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
It doesn't burn holding it directly to the penis?
No, they are hand warmers to go in your gloves. They do get quite warm, which you want, but don't get anywhere near hot enough to burn you (well the brand I use doesn't)
Read a study showing that heat over 40C for more than 2 hours tends to break down collagen (anywhere in the body). Careful though because it breaks down both bad (fibrotic) and good collagen. I would use a VED immediately after so the collagen "heals" in an expanded state.
I'm using them while strapped into my traction device.
Quote from: skunkworks on March 11, 2016, 07:49:24 PM
I'm using them while strapped into my traction device.
Good one ... I think that's the way to go. I will definitely do that when I get back to using traction
Quote from: Steveo on March 11, 2016, 07:39:08 PMCareful though because it breaks down both bad (fibrotic) and good collagen. I would use a VED immediately after so the collagen "heals" in an expanded state.
I always 'heat myself up' with the warmers before VED (for min 1 hr) but I wonder, having read your point, by logical deduction, it may not be a good idea to put the heat pack back on after VED?? i.e. you have 'softened' the fibrosis before VED with the heat, modeled it with the VED, then by heating it again losing the benefit of the VED modeling !?!?!
I guess theoretically if you have finished with the warmer but it has quite a few hours of heat left in it, you could put it in a ziploc bag and squeeze all the air out. That should stop the reaction and let you start it back up again when you next need it.
Edit. Ok these things are legitimately awesome. Maintaining a heat source during traction has been so difficult as to make it unfeasible, despite it being so important.
Oh and the tight ziploc bag works. I use them for 3-4 hours during my traction session, then put them in a ziploc bag and squeeze the air out. Next day they are good to go for another 3-4 hours at least. I've got three 3 hour sessions out of one heat pack, so three days worth from one pack.
I just started this along with PAV I'll let you know how I get on. I work alot from home so I just nuke a pack and place it over the plaque which is located on the top. Not sure if i should wrap it seems fine just to let it rest on top. Also VED after? or just take it easy for a few days before doing heat and VED?
Quote from: csm101 on April 07, 2016, 03:46:40 PM
Also VED after? or just take it easy for a few days before doing heat and VED?
IMO heat makes VED even safer because the tissue is more elastic, reducing the likelihood of injury.
Thanks I'll try it out
I have a simple and low cost way for getting heat treatment. My wife took a sock and filled with rice. Heat in microwave for about a minute and apply. It lasts about 30-45 minutes for heating and you only have to change the rice every 3 months. Been working great for me. She actually got some cloth and made a custom one for me...lol.
Kenix33 is on to something. The rice filled sock (uncooked rice) heated in the microwave works great. You can't however wear it to town like you can the heat packs, Hot Hands.
Jimbruski
You just can't beat the convenience of having a heatpack which is essentially at exactly the right temperature and needs no reheating for your whole traction session, then can be reused, getting 2-3 sessions in total out of each one.
That's true. I bought one of those small rice / wheat packs to try and I need to reheat it every 15 mins. It doesn't provide consistent or constant heat like HotHands heat packs.
Interestingly, on that point, after many weeks trial, I am certain now that direct heating with a heatpack for 2hrs before VED makes significant difference to my VED sessions. I can actually tell the difference between 1hr and 2hrs pre-heating.
After 2hrs of heating, I can definitely feel how much easier you inflate during a pumping session. There is no feeling of tightness anywhere if you know what I mean. Not only do I get really easy inflation, you actually get more inflation from the same number of pumps which must be a good sign (not saying I am over inflating).
Also after the VED session it feels better as well. Softer, looser and hangs better. Kind of hard to describe but after 2 hrs heatpack and VED session, it feels like you have no problem at all for quite a few hours afterwards ............. I see that as a good sign :)
Quote from: Gutted on April 09, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
Also after the VED session it feels better as well. Softer, looser and hangs better. Kind of hard to describe but after 2 hrs heatpack and VED session, it feels like you have no problem at all for quite a few hours afterwards ............. I see that as a good sign :)
Gutted, I am so glad to hear your success with the heat packs. I can confirm the same results around a longer flaccid hang, generally softer penis, and easier inflation during VED sessions.
I recently upped my pentox to 2x400mg twice daily and seeing some improvements also. I just ordered a bunch more cialis which I am going to take daily per Old Man's advice that LDDC can soften plaques. Combined with pentox, heat, and VED I am excited about making even more progress.
That's great to hear thanks wakenbake69 .......... that's two of us :) ...... corroboration from members on a Forum like this is a very powerful thing !
So, 800mg Pentox 2x a day ? ...... how long have you been doing that and what result did you get ?
I do the Cialis thing as well .......... 2.5mg daily at night
Aight Im starting heat pack therapy. Im doing it a little differently. I bought a reusable heat back that is about the size of my dick when erect. It looks like those blue ice packs. Basically, you drop it in boiling water and let it sit for 10 minutes, then apply for 30mins-1hr.
Its impossible for me to apply something for hours at a time, so I figured this is the next best thing. I will use this daily, at least once. I will also use it before and after VED, when I start it.
Will report.
Frisky
Are you guys applying the heat packs on the penis directly, or in the area (groins, abdomen)?
By the way Gutted, my balls aching is almost gone if not gone completely. I did heat for several days several hours in the area (not in the penis directly) and that seemed to work, although some days it was too painful that only ice directly in the balls calmed it down. But I have to say that the pain looks like is going away.
I am doing VED and is not coming back for now. But I can see that heat beforehand might help. I am just not sure where are you guys applying it.
Thanks!
Im doing it directly to the penis. Heat therapy is like cold therapy (ice packs), apply directly where the pain is.
I am doing it directly to the penis too. As per first post in this thread, I am using those HotHands hand warmers and I strap it on using a Velcro band I knocked up myself. I do at least 2hrs heating before VED. I do the VED treatment but don't put the heat pack back on afterwards because of 'Steveo's' post below on March 11th. You can see in my answer to him on the 12th that I am theorizing that reheating may therefore possibly destroy the effective 'modeling' of the plaque that the VED session does.
Krazy - Good to hear your aching has almost gone. It's a relief when it goes isn't it !! When mine had gone, I started the Forum 3 cylinder protocol from the beginning again. I am 3 weeks in and no sign of it coming back yet. Like I said in our other post, I followed 'Old Mans' advice and cut each VED session down from 15 mins to 10 mins. I also only inflate 30 - 40 % instead of the recommended 50% and I don't hold any longer than 5 seconds now. Was doing 10/12 second holds before. So all that combined with heat is keeping that inguinal / ball ache at bay so far
It is indeed a relief!! It really drives you nuts and makes you worry so much. I am happy we understood the cause and were able to then make a plan for it. I think once we start mastering how to do it, and with the pre-heat, we can help the body getting acustomed to that "exercise" that is the VED and therefore avoiding any aching.
I am also doing now 10 mins in total, although in my case I am holding each cycle one minute (following my doctor instructions) instead of 5/10 seconds. But if I feel any aching again, I will do exactly just as you, which is what Old Man also recommends. I am also using the small cylinder, and as you say, in that cylinder I can only reach 40/50% of the total length size. I pump until all the shaft is pretty much tight against the wall, symmetrically from the base to the glans.
Good luck Gutted!
Hey since most of you guys are using the hand warmers and I am using a blue-gel heat pack instead, I was wondering how warm/hot your hand warmers are when you first apply. It is a mild, comfortable warmth, or is it just below the too hot threshold?
Thanks
I found packs (gel or rice) that you heat in the Microwave get very hot initially, don't stay hot for long and the heat is definitely not consistent. So it is very hard to heat your plaques for hours non-stop at time.
The Hot Hands can get quite hot but I wouldn't say anywhere near the "too hot threshold"
I found you can control the amount of heat from the Hot Hands because the reaction that makes them hot requires air. Therefore when you wrap them back up in their cellophane wrapper, they cool down slowly. If they get too hot you can just do that to lower the temp a bit
I find when I open the pack for the first time and leave the warmer to sit in the air to warm up, I keep checking it to see how hot it is. When it's where I want it, I attach it over the plaques with my velcro wrap. I then find once it is inside your underwear and pressed against your penis the heat stays stable because there is less air getting to it than when you open the pack and leave it on the side in the open to start warming up
You just get a routine going with experience :) ........... but they are the only way I have found of getting stable heat for hours without having to take off regularly for reheat
Ive been doing this for a week now and I do see the pain reduction. I no longer need to take pain killers before bed. Still some discomfort but its getting better. I apply the heating pad on the pelvic bone area and work it to the penis over time. Every 30 mins I re-nuke it. I haven't used it directly related to VED yet I will try that next week
Well the heat treatment seems to be at an end. last few days the pain is the same or getting worse. Heat packs dont even numb it anymore. God i wish i new how to deal with this.
CSM - I don't know how your heat pack compares to Hot Hands hand warmers in terms of degree of heat output and consistency of heat output.
I guess for a start, your pack is cooling down over the 30min period it lasts before you re-heat it. Then you are having to take it off to reheat it.
Also, I attach the Hot Hands pack directly to the penis and place it over the plaques best I can. I just leave it there, uninterrupted for a min of 2hrs. It gets quite hot.
Are you also on Acetyl-L-Carnitine and Pentox as well ? They are seen to contribute to cutting pain. I am on both
Csm,I agrew with gutted. A reheatable pack isn't going to have the same effect. Strongly urge you to try the hothands warmers.
hey Gutted and Wakenbake. Thanks for the info, I will take a look for the hand warmers that you recommend. Also I just started Acetyl-L-Carnitine today. ive been the PAC protocol for about 4 weeks now.
After having using a reusable heat pack for a few weeks now, I must say that this form of therapy IS effective. I have noticed better erections at night and more random erections during the day, more sensation in my dick, and less pain. Furthermore, I only use the heat pack for ~30 minutes daily due to my schedule. Hopefully there is more benefit for longer periods of time, which I hope to include once my schedule frees up.
I am using a reusable blue gel heat back that you heat up my dropping in boiling water. I just ordered a hothands variety pack, so I will see how those compare. Part of the variety pack is a hothands with a built-in adhesive, so it will be interesting to see if I can adhere it to my dick without having to create some custom strap.
Will report.
We touched on similar last year https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,6318.msg66748.html (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,6318.msg66748.html) but I've just discovered heated tape http://www.carbonheater.us/ (http://www.carbonheater.us/) and a site that gives pretty good instructions on building http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-carbon-heated-gloves/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-carbon-heated-gloves/).
I haven't got the brainpower to work out the details but I'm sure we have in the community, any takers? :D
Wow good find on the carbon tape, that could be a perfect solution.
Lonelyboy,
We can probably make such a heater device in many ways.
Last week I built a 3W heater device, powered by a 12V transformer and controlled by a thermosensor feedback. Yes, it looks like something from a junkyard, but it works ok. I have so far only used it for 3 sessions of 30min each, skin temperature 42°C, so I cannot say anything about the therapeutic effect.
The heater itself is a standard flexprint heater that I have cast into latex.
I like your carbonheater idea better than my flexprint though.
I wish it was my idea ;)
It looks to the untrained eye that we ( :) ) should be able to make a tube with a specific length of the tape to provide the optimum temperature powered from a USB connection, could power it from a laptop even (might not be enough current?) or if not from a normal phone USB plug, should be thin enough to be able to use at same time as tensioning.
Have you thought about IR or ultra violet heat strips. One of those with a power supply and feedback loop ought to work well. I'm looking into that now.
Has anyone tried contrasting? AKA when you apply heat for a few minutes then immediately apply cold for a few minutes then keep alternating like this for a while?
I might try it.
Quote from: FriskyDingo on May 10, 2016, 12:51:43 AM
Has anyone tried contrasting?
Yes I do this. If I have any inflammation or pain relaTed to inflammation I will first use a heat pack, then use a cold gel pack. But the time the cold pack warms up to room temp, I am pain free. I will usually warm my dick back up just to get blood flowing again.
Is the main reason to use heat packs to reduce discomfort or pain?
I don't have any pain luckily.
The bend has been steadily increasing for me. I will be asking my urologist for a VED when I see him in a couple of days. Wondering whether to buy some of these heat pads too.
The main reason (for me) is that there are two positive studies on using hyperthermia to treat Peyronie's.
Aight wakenback ill try the contrasting.
Perspex, supposedly heat therapy causes increased blood flow to the applied area. Blood vessels expand and there is a better delivery of oxygen. Heat therapy is used to reduce pain for chronic ailments.
I bought my on Amazon with 2 day Prime shipping very cheap. Looking forward to trying out this idea in combo with my new VED. I like the toilet paper roll suggestion too, very clever.
I recently got myself some HotHands. They're good! But....has anyone else noticed they seem to become less hot once applied and down your trousers? Perhaps you just become desensitised. I find attaching two - one above, one below - works best.
I know what you mean Peety
I have taken them off sometimes to check, but they generally still feel hot. I think you're right, you can get a bit desensitized I think. They quite often leave a bit of a red patch where they have been touching me .... so it must be hot !!
When I take them off I give them a good shake to aerate them which does heat them up more before putting it back on. I also find that once you take them out of the sealed wrapper if you give them a good shake and leave them standing in the air for about 15 mins before use, they get very hot and definitely don't seem to cool at all after that unless you reseal them in cellophane.
As you know, the heat comes from the reaction of the contents with air. So the less air circulation the more likely they are to cool a bit. I wear very loose boxer short underwear and secure them with a relatively thin velcro strap so they still get enough air circulation to keep hot.
Cheers
Gutted - Do you apply the heat pack directly, with no fabric or anything in between it and skin?
Yes Skunk. I find the Hothands don't get hot enough to put a layer in between but I do find the microwave reusable heatpacks (rice/wheat) get very hot and do need a cover. Problem is the reusable packs cool down pretty quickly anyway
I have used the hot hands several times now and really like these. I apply one pack directly to the skin with the toilet tissue roll as a holder and bend my penis against the side with plaque so it sort of stretches it while heating. To clarify I have on jockey underwear which helps by holding the toilet roll in place as I rest lying down. I used the heat for about and hour followed by the VED device for around 20 minutes. I would consider this something akin to physical therapy for your Peyronies, not a quick fix. One result I was not expecting is after the first application of heat the dull pain at the base of penis where I think I have a broken vein that I had been experiencing for a month now, totally went away. This may be a coincidence, but I'm very happy to report the dull pain hasn't been back in several days. I'm also taking Vitiamin E and D daily and trying to eat right. I'm hoping for continued success with this treatment plan!
Quote from: Tbones on May 16, 2016, 03:35:39 PM
Comments about pain reduction
That's good news Tbones, I can confirm that the heat packs help a lot with pain. I never get pain anymore and I think its because of the heat packs.
What VED does everyone use? Is Androvaccum safe?
Bcool ...... don't want to derail this thread which is on Heat Packs but the answer to your question on what VED people use is here :
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hey guys im 3 months with an awfull new lession, i started using hypertermia like 3 weeks ago, its amazing what it does, my bad bad wasting and turtling is so improved the days i consistenly use heat at least 1 hr
I think during the acute stage it could improve the result on the long run because as more blood runs into the tissue this doesnt die, i belive this because pentox improves blood flow and coq10 that gives extra energy to the cells so it can resist longer, but if theres enough bloodflow then this problem is minimized or i hope so
i have seen that hyperthermia is not recomended (therapeuticly for other purposes) during recent lessions cause this increase inflamation, but well, i´ve been doing dumb things like smoking (alters healing by reducing oxigen and constricting blood vesels) rough sex (3 hours with weed) (that was 2 weeks ago and that awesome erection was thanks to heat my gut feeling sais)
however i discontinued some days and now im noticing worse turtling and increased plaque it may had been natural (or forced progresion (rough sex)) but i dont know, i have a small dick and some ed problems , plus deformity is starting to kick in, so, would you guys continue heat or no?
thanks guys and i think this is it, hyperthermia for the win
So after a over a month of using a reusable heat pack I would highly recommend this.
Furthermore, I have found contrasting, by alternating between a heat pack and an ice pack, to also be effective.
I only use these treatments for about 20 minutes a day, some times I can do up to an hour. I think I would see more improvement if I used them for at least an hour every day, but I don't have the time at the moment.
These following things have been most effective for me:
1. Heat packs (including contrasting)
2. Pine bark extract
3. Serrapeptase and Nattokinase
4. Meditation
I implemented these things independent of each other, so I was able to notice a clear improvement from each of these. I recommend these four things because I clearly noticed an improvement, its not like it kinda helped or I think it might have helped. Each of these have clearly helped with my corporal fibrosis induced peyronies.
FriskyDingo,
Can you elaborate on how these have helped you?
I've been using heat packs along with VED for a few months now but haven't noticed any change.
I haven't used many supplements however so I'd appreciate the additional info.
Thanks,
Jimbruski
So basically when I got injured I had a lot of numbness in my junk. It was always cold afterwards with little sensation. The heat packs have helped bring back much of the sensation I lost. As a result, I get a lot more erections and just feel better down there. I also had a lot of pain, which seems weird because I had numbness too. Its like the pleasure receptors got numbed but not the pain receptors. I have noticed a further reduction in pain using the heat packs (although much of my pain has gone since using the other treatments).
Hey Frisky,
Do you put the heat pack around the penis(front side, back side...). Since you and I have corporal fibrosis, I wonder how do you apply the heat.
It is interesting what you say about the enzymes. I have never tried them, but I might give them a try soon (once I am done fasting).
Thanks!
Krazy,
I bought a reusable pack that is supposed to be used on your neck. The pack is quite long. What I do is I lay down with my dick up against my abdomen and and I rest the heat pack on top of it so that my dick is in between my abdomen and the heat pack. Heats up my entire junk.
These look kinda interesting - Technology (http://www.mythermedic.com/mythermedic/index.php/cabric-inside.html)
Could maybe take the cover off and just use the flexible heating pad inside.
So I've been using these since March, sometimes with traction but more often than not just by itself.
I have had the sensation of impeded urine flow since my injury, stream much less strong than it used to be. Yesterday that disappeared, today it is still gone.
Best treatment since traction in my mind.
That's awesome SkunkW ..... assume you mean the HotHands packs ?
What has your regimen generally been ? everyday ? period ? etc etc
Cheers
Air activated heat packs yeah, but some cheapo knock off brand. I got a case for cheap from ebay, seem to work fine. Hothands definitely last longer though.
As to time, I pop one out in the morning and just put it on when I can. Maybe three 1.5 hour applications over the course of the day. Every day but I might miss a Sat or Sun here and there.
I do roughly the same but probably slightly longer sessions ...... 2hrs each
As a minimum, I always do a 2 hour application per day before VED. The positive difference it makes to a VED session is extremely marked as well.
I agree with your experience on the benefits of just the heat alone as well. For me it reduces any pain, increased flaccid length and stopped shrinking, reduces hard flaccid and just makes me feel normal ...... which is good psychologically !
The convenience is a big one also. Time constraints have not left me much time for traction recently, but the heatpack is easy to do whenever.
So I have started with hothands today. I'm just wondering is it OK to have the heat near the testicles.? Gonna try this for a few weeks and then start ved hopefully when I have the money to buy one. I have hourglass which is not too bad bar the indent on one side. My main issue is a weakness that could lead to more damage bending upwards at the point of the hourglass. Anyway here's hoping.
I have an hourglass too (at the mid-point) and an upward curve.
I use the Hothands for ~2 hour sessions at a time.
I'm not sure who would be qualified to know whether heat is OK near the Testicles but I attach the Hothands heatpack to the topside for 30 mins then attach it to the underside for 30mins i.e rotate like that for the 2 hour session and I have suffered no negatives, in fact, heatpacks have been very beneficial to me
Gutted
I highly discourage applying heat near the testicles. Sperm needs to be a few degrees cooler then the rest of the body for the sperm to survive. Thats why the balls drop when you are warm, and will ascend when you are cold. A quick google search should confirm this.
Only matters if you're actively trying to impregnate a woman. The effect is temporary so if you're not trying to knock someone up, it doesn't matter.
Heating the testicles lowers testosterone, which happens sometime after the heating and may return to normal later. I would just avoid heating your scrotum too much but don't overly worry. I have to say I am quite guilty of heating then accidentally for long periods when heating my penis. Taking a hot bath or shower has the same effect, to what degree, I don't know.
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Do you mind me asking what have been the benefits.
Yes thanks guys, I was aware of how the scrotum modulates temperature in your balls and how/why it does it.
I would make a couple of points though.
I guess my absolute priority is getting rid of the curve and dents and as SkunkW says, I am not planning on babies anyway.
Also, I would say that even if you only keep the heatpacks on top of your penis, the heat generated down there will still increase the temperature in the scrotal area beyond what it should be. Interestingly though, the research paper (posted in another thread) on heat therapy did actually make it clear that the heat required to have an effect was only, from memory +2 or +3 degs C up on body, which is much less than the Heatpacks put out. However, when I tried the lower heat put out by reheat-able (microwave) rice / bean bags it doesn't seem so effective on me.
A not so obvious by product of the heating is that, when the scrotal sack lowers, I personally find it makes a VED session much easier than if the scrotum is tight and contracted up against the shaft, if you see what I mean.
Irish_worried - answer to your question is in my opening post of this thread
Can someone tell me what the dimensions of the Hand Warmers are, in inches ? I have been away from working on my peyronies for the last year and a half due to kidney cancer......by the way Chemotherapy can make peyronies worse I found out. I had lost a few inches in length due to peyronies, and while on chemo, I lost at least another inch.........not happy about that. But, I need the physical size of the Hand Warmers before I buy them to make sure they are not too big for what I have left after Chemotherapy. Thank you, dplookin
Just measured one ... pretty much bang on 3" x 2" ..... that's the Hot Hands brand of handwarmer
I ordered a second box of 40 from amazon, theses one's aren't as hot as the first box I ordered.
Anyone know if they changed how hot theses get, they also now have a big white label on the back on how you should use them.
To: Gutted..............Thank you for providing the measurements of the Hand Warmers. dplookin
Quote from: NeoV on June 24, 2016, 09:16:20 PM
Heating the testicles lowers testosterone, which happens sometime after the heating and may return to normal later. I would just avoid heating your scrotum too much but don't overly worry. I have to say I am quite guilty of heating then accidentally for long periods when heating my penis. Taking a hot bath or shower has the same effect, to what degree, I don't know.
Man there is always a downside:(
I had a bit of a look around, one of those rat studies showed significant decrease in testicle weight!
Quote from: redbullmaster on June 26, 2016, 10:24:50 PM
I ordered a second box of 40 from amazon, theses one's aren't as hot as the first box I ordered.
Anyone know if they changed how hot theses get, they also now have a big white label on the back on how you should use them.
Hmmmm .... that's very interesting Redbull. I decided to get one of those giant 40 pairs boxes from Amazon too and it's just arrived. I have just checked and mine also have the 'new' warning label on the back about only using them on hands, no other body parts and not to be used for medical pain relief ...... it's almost like they've been reading our Forum !!! ;D
I don't need to use one of these new ones yet as I haven't run out of the first lot but will try one next and let you know if packs from the '40 box' seem cooler. It wil be very annoying if they are !!
Quote from: redbullmaster on June 26, 2016, 10:24:50 PM
I ordered a second box of 40 from amazon, theses one's aren't as hot as the first box I ordered.
As promised, tried one of the new ones from my box of 40 ...... that particular one was the same as all the others I'd used from previous packs.
I did read somewhere in some Hot Hands info that each individual heatpack can very slightly, which I suppose isn't a surprise given the way way they work. Maybe you'll find one was a bit dud and the rest OK ?
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Confirmed... Some boxes work better than others. I'd guess about 1 in 12 are complete duds and never heat up. Sometimes I get a box that all seem to be 'fresh' and work great and sometimes i get a box that seems to be all duds. I've sent an email to the manufacturer on this, will post any response i get.
Something interesting I noticed.
When I apply a ice pack for a few minutes my dick will eventually turn a bright red. I recall always hearing icing reduces inflammation... ok, but what about blood flow.
A quick google search of 'why does icing turn skin red' will reveal that icing will increase blood to the applied area. Basically, the body will signal to the brain that it needs warm blood in the cooled area. So the body will cycle out the cold blood and bring in warm blood. Hence the red color of the applied area.
Taken from a nonscientific article interviewing a research scientist - " if the temperature of the affected area continues to drop, nerve activity is depressed and the blood vessels begin to open up again, bringing in an onslaught of blood which re-warms the tissues"
So how does this apply to us? Perhaps icing brings in blood by a different mechanism than heating. When I heat my junk its red too, but it also looks inflammed (inflammation isnt an inherent bad thing). When I ice my junk, its red but the veins are not bulging and the skin looks very smooth.
Just some interesting stuff that may point to the benefit of contrasting
Thanks Frisky, I will try alternating cold and heat and see how it goes!
Athletes alternate hot and cold on injuries to speed up recovery. Ice immediately after obviously to minimise the rush of inflammation directly after injury, then when you're onto the recovery stage, alternate hot and cold.
Could definitely be worth trying.
hey guys has any one thought of the good old hot water bottle{with a cover of coarse},i found there is a few different sizes out there but been so easy an cheap an heat lasts for ages,just dont use without a cover.
Nothing wrong with that. I had one of those for a while, and you could make one, but nothing beats the rice sock!
I have tried heating alone for months at a time, then I tried icing/heating together for a month straight, then I tried just icing for 3 weeks, then I went back to heating only.
After this experimentation, heating only (everyday) has given me better results than contrasting (icing/heating) and icing only.
Skunkworks.........an answer to your question from me. I use the Hot Hands Heat Packs, and yes I have been applying them directly without anything like fabric........but, It might be a good idea us to some kind of fabric because I do get a Red Mark from the heat. For me, I don't think the Heat is doing anything, but that's just me. Just FYI.....dplookin
There is little to recommend alternating cold and hot (AKA "contrast therapy"):
How to use heat and cold to treat athletic injuries (http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/how-to-use-heat-and-cold-to-treat-athletic-injuries)
"Several physiological effects have been proposed to explain the benefits of contrast therapy. Many have suggested that contrast therapy results in cycles of vasodilation and vasoconstriction, thus creating a pumping action to reduce swelling. However, tissue temperatures are not affected by contrast treatments (Myrer et al. 1994, 1997; Higgins and Kaminski 1998). The brief exposure to cold and the fact that superficial heating has minimal effect on deep blood flow suggest that there is little vascular response to contrast therapy."
If anyone can point to studies showing benefits of hot/cold therapy rather than just hot therapy after the initial injury, I'm all ears.
Quote from: dplookin on August 23, 2016, 07:34:42 AMFor me, I don't think the Heat is doing anything, but that's just me.
Are you stretching or massaging or enlarging the penis with VED after heat therapy? Heat alone is likely to do nothing. Heat merely makes the tissue more pliable (weakens collagen bonds) which allows scar remodeling through tissue elongation to happen more quickly.
Quote from: Steveo on August 23, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
If anyone can point to studies showing benefits of hot/cold therapy rather than just hot therapy after the initial injury, I'm all ears.
No studies, but from personal experience Contrast Therapy helped a lot in the early stages when I was in pain. As in it would provide total relief from pain for 3-6 hours, which was a godsend at the time.
I tried hot/cold. Short term results were negative compared to just heat. I doubt we'll ever see a study on hot/cold and Peyronie's long term so in light of the study Steveo posted earlier, I think I'll just stick with what have turned out to be (for me) the best treatments by far, heat+traction and heat+edging. If I could get a heated VED I think that would be a killer treatment also.
Hey guys I use heat most days when I have time the last few weeks. Just wondering does anyone apply heat directly to the glands. I think I read on here not to do that as it isn't good. I don't but have a plaque just under there so was wondering would it be OK to apply heat there. The heat definitely is helping reduce the size of the plaques so far.
Gutted (and anyone else), I just wondered how you were getting on with the heat packs since your original post back in March? Has your condition continued to improve?
Many thanks
Peety
Really interesting treatment...I will probably try in next days and will keep you posted about it.
I will try a reusable hotpack and I will see...
My question is if someone have had any curvature improvements by applying this termal treatment. As i ve read it has success to reduce pain clearly, but really improve the curvature? My case is 5 months agot the onset and I have no pain but I have plaque and 40 degrees left curvature.
Thanks to all for your interesting thread.
Peyter
Hey guys, i read that using heat pads for a certain period of time can actually damage the plaque making it harder and more stiff. I also read that excessive heat can cause damage as well. So my questions are, how long should i use a heat pad and how hot should it be?
Hi Blake, where did you read that re making the plaque harder. It really is important to actually include a source, as there is no point in us investigating something if the source of the claim has no credibility.
Steven mentions earlier in the thread he read a study that 40C over 2 hrs can break down good and bad collagen...now I'm concerned because I've been applying hothands several hours a day...
The hypothermia study should be in the Resource Library. I have never heard of it making the plaque worse, but feel free to link any relevant quotes here. The study showed the plaques getting softer, from what I remember.
As I recall though, they were using heat for 45min a day.