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Hi, bew to this forum,

I just wanted to join to tell my story:

Had peyronies 10 years ago which fully healed on its own, now having it again on the other side of the penis and its not as bad but the ED is there of course plus it hurts this time.

Erections for me are different, sometimes i am fully hard, sometimes im floppy.

So i tried to relieve the infection (because apaprently there is) and tried Hirudoid creme. Its supposed to heal trauma and help with blood vessels (its anti inflammatory).


RESULTS:
I put Hirudoid on the entire penis for two nights straight (bandaged it so it would really soak in it).

After only 2 nights of applying -> pain is gone (I guess it helped against inflammation), the lump is reduced heavily in size (atleast 50%).


I am amazed right now, for people desperate to try new things I ask you to try it and report your findings. I have no idea if it is safe, Im just trying differnt things.

Other methods I am currently trying:
- losing weight, sports,
- Vitamin E


Greetings and good luck to all of you !

I always wondered if scar creams would work. I always figured they're for outer scarring but who knows. They might seep deeper

Its not actually a cream for outer scars but bruises like hematomas, so its supposed to work under the skin.

Well I'm running to my pharmacy after work and trying this out today

Be careful guys. It says not to use it on the genital area.

But that said, I would not be surprised if it helped immensely... Just not sure about side effects. Anyway, keep us updated!

 Keep us informered!!!

Sorry but I am VERY skeptical

hirudoid is amazing for hemorrhoids... Peyronies Disease i don't know.
i'll be waiting for your updates!

Btw I am not circumcised and it does burn a bit on the glans, my guess is it is not good for the mucuos membrane. However the success is still overwhelming for me, Id rather be able to have an erection, no pain, and no curve. Bet for circumcised people its completely "safe".

Would love to hear from people experiencing heavy pain. This could be a relief for you.

Still applying every night, still no pain, lump still shrunken, had pretty good erections since. Optimism ensues :)

Was the lump a vein/lymphatic vessel? If so, this makes sense.

No, I have a curve when half erect for 2 months now, slightly ED and pain. So its definitely Peyronies.

Stil applying, lump is still smaller, getting "hot" after erections but erections stronger than every, every day.

Also have to note that I didnt have nightly erections all summer long, so I was expecting something was up.

Applying Hirudoid for the 4th night now! Wish me luck!

KEep us updated im iterested in this as well.

I suspect i might have an inflamed vein/lymp

Did anyone else try it?

Would there be any risk or harm if the cream got onto your testicles?

UPDATE:

Was kind of scared because I didnt have erections at night, and that is what I mostly look for in a healthy penis, however I try once a day to get hard and see what my progress is.

Had the best erection today for MONTHS. No pain, self sustaining.

The lump is still a its smallest.

MAJOR UPDATE:

The 30 degree bend is gone now! The bend was only (but very) visible during a semi erection. Thats gone now


Only worry left: Penis feels hot during the day, not particularly swollen but it feels like an inflammation or increased blood flow. Might be becuase of Peyronies Disease or the Hirudoid cream.

Will apply for the 5th time tonight and then wait if the results will stay for several days.


I would love for others to try it, maybe there is something to this!

Im super stoked by now as I already saw my sex life practically gone. :)

Quote from: jj21 on January 22, 2021, 07:33:02 AM
Would there be any risk or harm if the cream got onto your testicles?

I would suspect it would burn a bit. It does tingle on the glans for about 10 minutes or so thats it.
I read it can be harmful to sensitive skin, i.e. if you have ekzemas, rashes, allergies there might be a reaction from the skin.
All good for me so far so Im trying everything to get my dick up and running again ^^

I suspect this is a spontaneous recovery. But im really happy for you!!

Damn that's great news!

Is there a particular reason why you put it on the entire penis?
Do you reckon the effect is amplified if you treat the whole area
Instead of focusing on the troublesome spot?

Yes, I apply it to the glans for one simple reason: I dont think it really enters the tissue/blood stream through the foreskin only. I have to say I had no allergic reactions or negative reactions from the skin in general. Other people might be more sensitive.

UPDATE:

Pain gone completely
Plaque is down to approx. 10%
Morning erections coming back slowly
erections in general almost back to normal

I applied it for 5 nights in a row and there was definitely something "going" on in the penis, my guess is the cream increases blood flow to such an extreme that the scarring heals faster + the inflammation/scarring gets healed through the cream.

I am so super stoked about my findings, I am 95% sure this is not some random healing but actually because of Hirudoid. I know I sound like a salesman at that point, but I would so love to hear other people have success with it. It would be a medicinal brakthrough and help a lot of people. :D

Currently waiting to see if it was enough for it to heal on its own to 100% (though packaging says for some inner wounds/hematomas it can/should be applied for up to 11 days in a row, several times a day)

I'm having trouble finding that specific brand in our stores. I wonder if another one would work

Bro, no offense, im really happy for you, but u said "Had peyronies 10 years ago which fully healed on its own". You may just have another spontaneous heal. It would be nice to "study" your genetics and understand it, it would be a great resource for the science. Not joking.

I went through a whole tube of this stuff a few years ago, did nothing for my peyronie's.

Quote from: hope794 on January 25, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
You may just have another spontaneous heal.

That literally applies to anyone using medication against a disease. It might be, but I doubt it.

The first time I had it, it took about a year to be completely back to normal. I am currently about 6 months in and it was getting worse and worse. The cream turned it around in a couple of days.

UPDATE: Pain still gone. Cannot locate lump precisely, so no hard lumps anymore, area can still get sore after too much masturbation.
Erections currently back to normal :)

I am still confused about the creams agent, it varies on which you can find on the internet :-\
The brand I use in has  mucopolysaccharide polysulfuric acid ester  as its active agent.

Where did you get it from?

Interesting, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2141473/

While in normal skin the single administration of heparin and MPS resulted in levels of the same relative magnitude, skin with thinner epidermis and decreased horny layer (keloids) absorbed MPS to a higher degree.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drp/2011/807906/?fbclid=IwAR0zFQv-vX7J2Ma1lpLF77FX2KJtAo7AdWh0IuAp1e9INe4BAh-Z5yLvAzs

Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate (MPS) has been used in medicine as an anti-inflammatory and antithrombotic agent for over 50 years. Its chemical structure permits considerable hydrogen bonding with adjacent water molecules, which effectively leads to hydration of the surrounding tissue. In addition, it stimulates endogenous hyaluronate synthesis, resulting in an increase in water-binding capacity and viscoelasticity of the skin

Typically between 1.7% and 4.6% will be absorbed within 2 to 4 days. Animal studies have also shown that mucopolysaccharide is bound intracellularly within the subcutis.
The types of cells found in the hypodermis are fibroblasts, adipose cells, and macrophages.

My guess is a minimum of 4 weeks is likely required to understand if placebo, or not.

Looking forward to further updates friedrichzuckermann  :)

I wonder if a mixture with Hirudoid cream and DMSO would be even more efficient?
It sounds unreasonable to have such an improvement because of this cream.
I'm not ruling it out but it feels like any topical cream would need DMSO to travel further into the tissue.

Maybe gel would travel further into the tissue?
What do you think?

Probably similar efficacy to cream.
If you try it please update thread  :) a 28 day trial will either confirm it as bogus or beneficial in Peyronies Disease.

Movelat Gel also contains Salicylic Acid for those suffering pain.

Also see thread> https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,13394.0.html

Paul.

Interesting stuff, but I dont really get your 4 weeks. Cream itself states to apply up to 11 days in a row. Why would it take longer to penetrate the skin on the penis (would guess its faster through the glans)?

I would love for someone  to try it too for like a week and report findings, maybe I was just lucky but it didnt feel like it. Penis felt very different during application, so in my opinion atleast something was going on inside too, some active agent. Would placebo even work in this case? Physical injury?

Any side-effects, Friedrich?
I want to highlight JJ's questions regarding accidental application of cream on the testicles.
Since, well, I want to try loads of different crap and just apply every day all day etc etc.
But I don't want to accidentally have it on my balls for months and months and end up infertile or something. I know I'm probably reaching but when it's DIY you have to make sure things like this can't happen, don't you think?

Last August 2020, after some days of intense sex, I got the dorsal vein inflamed and hard. The vein got well itself but a lump remained. I used hirudoid for that lump as I thought it could be a trhombus.
But that lump never went away. Its still here annoying me.I think that is a varicose part of the vein.
(All this happened two months before my peyronie onset. I am not saying it was hirudoid the cause)

In fact, I still have half that hirudoid tube. I'll try it untill finish it.
What I have is "HIRUDOID FORTE 4,45 mg/g gel".(bought in Spain)
In the tube says the medicine is "condroitina sulfato de sodio" which in english would mean like "condroitin sodium sulphate".
Is this the same medicine as Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate? or Salicylic Acid?

juan, Yes, it is the same stuff, but more concentrated, therefore results should come quicker.
Paul.

The product has a 5 Year shelf life lol.

IIRC the OP wrapped his penis to concentrate the cream for a longer period.

Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

Yesterday I put the cream and the dull pain I was having these days is almost gone.
I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.

Quote from: Juan on January 28, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.

I meant to say Hirudoid Forte has 4,45 mg/g of MPS, standard Hirudoid has 3mg/g MPS, that's all.
MPS (Mucopolysaccharide polysulphate) is in skin anyway so I don't see an issue it getting on the glans, may irritate for a few moments but then subside.

Keep us updated, as dependent on you/others I may give it a go, I only have about a 28-30 degree dorsal curve however, lucky in that respect  :)

Hallo Friedrich - könntest Du bitte den genauen Namen deiner Hirudoid Creme nennen - hast Du sie in einer Apotheke oder in einer Drogerie gekauft?

Es klingt wirklich hochinteressant, was Du berichtest - ich würde die Creme auch testen wollen  8)

Quote from: friedrichzuckermann on January 27, 2021, 09:08:02 AM
That literally applies to anyone using medication against a disease. It might be, but I doubt it.

The first time I had it, it took about a year to be completely back to normal. I am currently about 6 months in and it was getting worse and worse. The cream turned it around in a couple of days.

UPDATE: Pain still gone. Cannot locate lump precisely, so no hard lumps anymore, area can still get sore after too much masturbation.
Erections currently back to normal :)

I am still confused about the creams agent, it varies on which you can find on the internet :-\
The brand I use in has  mucopolysaccharide polysulfuric acid ester  as its active agent.

How big were your lumps?

Following this thread

GENERAL UPDATE:

Pain never to be seen again, though still sore after lots of masturbation (Definitely should tone it down to let it heal, but too interested to test it out now and then)

Lump is now rather a larger spongy area. Sometimes slight curvature can be seen when half erect.

Erections getting better, not quite happy yet, though sex might be possible at this point. Nightly/Morning erections more frequent than in the past 5 months.

Over all it feels like I stopped the so often called "acute" phase. I sincerely hope there is such a thing as a healing phase afterwards because all Im concerned now is my potency, the worsening over the months definitely turned around. Hopeful at last.

Quote from: Gregd on January 31, 2021, 02:11:20 PM
How big were your lumps?

This is tough to say, I believe i still have some plaque from the first Peyronies Disease 10 years ago on the other side, which feels like soft tissue but present when you feel for it. I think the same is happening on the new Peyronies Disease now. There is no hard lump but a larger spongy mass that remains.

Quote from: Deek on January 28, 2021, 09:05:47 AM
Hallo Friedrich - könntest Du bitte den genauen Namen deiner Hirudoid Creme nennen - hast Du sie in einer Apotheke oder in einer Drogerie gekauft?

Es klingt wirklich hochinteressant, was Du berichtest - ich würde die Creme auch testen wollen  8)

Hirudoid - Salbe
Wirkstoff: Mucopolysacchiaridpolyschwefelsäureester
(Rechts unten Markenname: STADA)

100g enthalten 0,3g Mucopolysacchiaridpolyschwefelsäureester


Mehr steht da auch nicht.

Quote from: Juan on January 28, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Paolo, sorry my ignorance , do you mean "condroitin sodium sulphate" is the same (but more concentrated) as "mucopolysaccharide polysulphate" or "salicylic acid"?.

Yesterday I put the cream and the dull pain I was having these days is almost gone.
I didn't wrap my penis. Just put it and let it absorb. Don't want to let the cream touch the glans. Any thoughts about putting the cream also in the glans? In the instructions say to not put in mucosa.

Tonight I'll try again.

That sounds exciting! I put it on the glans in the hope that it would easily enter the bloodstream and also get to the core of the plaque. Keep us updated!

Hyroloid cream is the only.l.cream containing DMSO.

any update on this? very interesting to see if other people have had success!

I ordered Hirudoid (MPS 0.3%) on eBay, and have applied quite a bit the past two days. Don't want to jump the gun but my spider veins have faded a lot in flaccid state. No way near as raised and prominent. Can't say much for plaques yet but have had a lot of strong tingling in the area since. So something must be going on.

Day 4 of use, plaque genuinely feels smaller/softer now, harder to palpate for that apple pip firmness. If anything this, alongside mangesium oil and nofap have brought my inflammation down a ton.

has the curvature improved at all?

Not really I don't think. Occasionally have high erection angle but mainly curve when semi flaccid which straightens out. I don't know if Hirudoid is less or more effective on calcified plaques, if it could work safely with DMSO to absorb deeper.

Any update from you friedrichzuckermann?

Have also just started using Hirudoid cream.

Think I'm about 3 months into the acute phase- I have an indentation on circumference of the right side which feels constricted though can't feel a clear plaque there and 3 weeks ago noticed the emergence of an additional indentation on the left side parallel to the one on the right (hourglass developing perhaps) + a pea sized nodule (presumably a plaque?) in that location which disappears into the indentation when erect.

Very keen to hear how friedrichzuckermann and BillyJynx or anyone else is finding the Hirudoid cream and ALSO if anyone has any tips to manage developing indentations- extremely worried and keen to prevent things deteriorating as much as possible so if you guys think VED/supplements/injections of anything could be useful I'm all ears! :)

We are mad scientists here lol any updates on the cream?

2nd day of using the cream, no apparent results, now its slightly itchy only where the scar is even though i put it all over my dick, normal or allergic reaction?

Great that a few of us are trying it now- would be great to have a few more onboard... one positive result is interesting but could easily be coincidence (and update Friedrich or BillyJynx!?) If we can get 10+ trying it and we get a few positives then perhaps we're onto a winner!

I'm using the cream twice a day and really massaging it in to nodule/plaque area for 3 mins.

Fingers crossed amigos...We're certainly mad scientists!!

Hi everyone. I should have posted on the introduce yourself first, but I was eager to report my experience on this topic.
I have been using the cream for the past 4 days and I am very excited with the progress.
day 1
A little growing burning sensation scared me at first, but it cooled down after a few minutes. I avoided the glans and testicles. It was a little itchy all night long.
day 2
No burning feeling or itching whatsoever. No changes on the lumps.
day 3
No burning or itching, but I started to few better about my penis. I noticed the lumps slightly softer. Maybe it was just an impression.
day 4
I am very happy today. Feeling the lumps noticeably softer. Less painful as well. Woke up with a huge morning erection that made me very happy.
I don't dismiss some sort of placebo effect, but I don't care.

Eager to use the cream another day. I don't know how long I will apply it. Perhaps 10 days an then rest a bit. Open for suggestions.
Praying for some permanent improvements.

Hey guys,

I've purposely waited before reporting here, but I'm vey excited too. This is a mid-term assesment; will do a full version after a 3 months-use use perspective. As many of you know, with my 3+years never-ending inflammation/pain syndrom, I've become quite an expert in trying everything under the sun to allieviate the suffering. Most of it didn't work, as I fully explained here (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,14622.msg131841.html#msg131841).

And yet, buddies, oh Lord, I'm starting to think our friend Friedrich has found HELL OF A GAME CHANGER here. Here is the story so far: I've been applying hirudoid cream for approximately 7 weeks now, soaking my dick in it before bed and wrapping my penis with gaze in order to let it soak all night long (well at least until I get the 4-5 o'clock erection that makes the stuff disassemble, but anyway).

Well, bros: every since I applied this cream, and I do mean overnight, my pain has subsided to an all-time low. I never thought that would be even F^@$!ng possible. Plain and simple: I apply this cream at night, I almost get 0 pain during my nightly erection or during my daily erection while having sex or masturbation the next day. If I stop applying it for a few days though, the pain comes back slowly (if I dont have sex or masturbate or use my VED), or a little quicker (if I do have sex or masturbate or use VED), BUT 1) it stays on a quite low level (like 50% max of what I used to have), 2) it subsides in one or or two nights as soon as I go back to applying the cream again.

Guys, I don't want to jump on the gun either, and I do want to take a few more weeks of full assessment (applying the cream in the morning too to see if if pushes the effect further), but F~@< I don't have words to say how much I'm thrilled by this news. So far I see no improvement in diformity (I don't have proper "lumps" or palpable plaque anymore, although the denting/hourglass is still here), but honestly I don't care so much: if this magical a$$hole cream can make my dick pain go away and allows me to go back to at least a normal-ish sexual and psychological life, I'm the happiest man on earth.

See you in a few weeks for a whole narrative ;-)... And stay strong!!!

G

are you noting any side effects at all?

i am very tempted to try the cream with traction!

This is a very interesting thread...
keep updating it, guys

Hirudoid may have potential use in the acute phase

How many times a day do u put it and how much u put? I can give it a shot!

Thanks for the testimony Gabriel! It fills my heart with hope.
Your mega post about all your experiments is amazing! Thanks for sharing it. Strongly recommended for those who haven't read it.

I really would like to thank Friedrich for this discover. So far it was the quicker relief I had comparing to every other treatment I've tried. Let's see if it keeps improving.
Thanks a lot, man!!!

I'd like to share another day of good news.

Day 5 using the cream
I am, actually, starting to believe my lumps are getting a little softer and a little smaller. I am feeling less pain then I am used to feel during the day as well.
Not completely gone yet, but it is getting better by the day. Fingers crossed!

By the way, this is how I am doing: I am applying 1x daily, just before bed, so far. I am generously rubbing all the penis (without gaze or bandages), with the exception of the glans. I am still worried about causing some sort of burning feeling. Today I will try to rub it just a bit on the tip, since I have another lump, just at the base of the glans. I will report back if it was somehow uncomfortable. But so far, no side effects at all! I might try twice a day in the future.

I have the cream

I ordered on ebay.  Took for ever to get here. 

Where do you guys get it from.  Can someone post a link?

Thanks

Ebay doesnt ship that product to my country  so i got it from eclipse pharmacy i think, took about a month though.

Any updates chaps?

Been massaging Hirudoid cream into the nodules twice a day for 2 weeks- nothing too dramatic but gun to my head I'd say my biggest nodule is actually a little smaller (or at least less inflamed). No clue if it's the Hirudoid or VED or just the disease progressing naturally.

Curious if anyone else has had any results/seen no results!

It is better to use the standard hirudoid 3% or the hirudoid forte 4,5? I just wonder

got 2 tubes of cream on the way

anyone tried the gel?

The cream & gel (I have both) are both 0.3% Heparinoid (the active ingredient) which seems to be the standard strength available in the UK.

Doubt there's much difference between cream and gel but I have found the gel evaporates a bit quicker which has its advantages if you're putting it on in the morning. On balance I suppose I'd pick the cream if I had to choose- because it doesn't evaporate at the same speed, I figure it has a higher chance of being absorbed by the skin and tissues underneath. I also massage it in to the Peyronie's areas for a few minutes.

In theory Hirudoid can reduce swelling, inflammation, scarring and even promote tissue regeneration. I believe it's been proven to penetrate down at least to the Dermis layer of the skin but I have my doubts concerning its ability to reach the tunica- seems possible though!

My current opinion is it's unlikely to do any harm to most people (freak allergic reactions and minor skin rashes aside) and at worst, even if it doesn't reach the tunica, it helps improve the circulation of blood through the superficial veins which has got to be a good thing!

Keen to hear updates from anyone noticing any change!

I am questioning this entire topic.  Does it strike anyone as strange that:
1. A man would have Peyronies Disease for 10 years and never come on this site once in that 10 years.
2. but After two nights he would search out the forum
3. Then register and make his first post within minutes of registering about what cured him
4. AND that what cured him is something that no other member got results from

I am calling this non-sense

Hawk- I know that wasn't addressed at me but just a quick clarification a uestion about point 4. sorry if I haven't searched the forum thoroughly enough but do you know many members who have tried Hirudoid and seen no results from using it? Or just haven't heard of anyone posting about Hirudoid in general up until now? Wondering if you know it to be of no use or if you just haven't seen any evidence for it's utility yet?

A fair question,  I do NOT have any specific studies firmly establishing that it is not effective.  That is primarily because no competent medical or pharmaceutical company or even the manufacturer thought it was worthy of raising the question.

Similarly, I have no studies disproving Preparation H, Tinactin, or Vick Vapor Rub. 

If all it takes to gain a following is for an anonymous guy to register here, claim he just wanted to drop in for the first time after a decade of Peyronies Disease to announce he just had great improvement after 2 days from one of the above products which gave him great results - WE ARE PATHETICALLY VULNERABLE to every manner of prankster and scam on the planet.

My update on the subject.
First and foremost, I know Hawk's message wasn't for me but I would like to note that I take this forum very seriously. I am also very thankful about all the help and information you guys share. Having said that here I go.

I am using Hirudoid Cream 300 for 10 days or so. At first, I started to feel some mild relief on the pain and (I think) some softening on the rigidity of the lumps. On day 5, I had sex with my wife after 3 months without it. (She was pregnant and we were avoiding it, but, sadly, we lost him/her with 6 weeks).
Anyway, after 5 days of pleasant results with Hirudoid, my dick started to hurt again just after the day of having sex. I suspect I am in the middle of a secondary flare up on this acute phase. Probably the sex caused some damage, but is it enough to rule out Hirudoid? I don't think so. But I don't think it is the hidden miracle cure either. I really don't know if Hirudoid has helped me to mitigate all the pain, but it appears to be safe.
Definitely I am not experiencing the same amazing results as Friedrich's. But who knows if things won't improve just a bit after some longer period?
I have read this interesting related article from Portugal (sorry guys, only in Portuguese, perhaps google translate can help it you wanna check it out. But beware, penis's photos). It shows a case of a guy that had some inflamed veins on his penis after rough sex. They  prescribed Hirudoid along with vioxx and other treatments. I know we are talking about different diseases, but maybe, poor vascularization has some relation to Peyronies. I am noticing some swollen veins on the size of my dick. At least the article shows that it is not completely crazy to use Hirudoid  on the penis.
https://apurologia.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tromb-veia-dors.pdf

I totally understand Hawk's skepticism. I probably would be considered some sort of naive dreamer, but I don't have enough resolve to not try something just because it lacks proper evidence. I am going to try everything unless it is something that appears to make it worst. Obviously I am looking out for some effective treatment, but, otherwise, I would love to experience some placebo effect, so why not maximizing the chances of either one by trying alternative treatments? Call me whatever you want. I will accept all the criticism quietly. If it doens't hurt, or if only helps just a tiny bit, why not?
I just bought another version of Hirudoid. This time gel and 500mg. Lets see if it leads to some improvement. I will try it for another two weeks and report back.
Good luck to you all and God bless.

Look,  I am not saying don't give it a try if you are up for it but be objective.  The post that started this topic does not lend one ounce of evidence t\for Hirudoid use.  It was baseless and VERY suspect of a prankster.

Peyronies Disease is not a static condition.  Pain invariably lessens and stops.  There are often flare-ups and calm periods.  Plaque typically contracts and reduces in size.  Pain and plaque size reduction means nothing.  Because you try a "treatment," you cannot assume anything that follows is a result of that treatment. 

At best, it takes large, randomized, double-blind clinical trials. Every man here should understand those three criteria of a trial.

At the least, it takes very objective length and girth measurements and comparisons in size, bend, and erection on your penis.  If things get better, you stop, and things get worse, you start, and things get better, and you repeat that cycle a few times, then you have established a single anecdotal account of improvement. 

Please read https://peyroniessociety.info/index.php/weighing-the-evidence/

Very fair points Hawk- can't really disagree with anything there... Apart from that Hirudoid is a medically proven treatment for swelling, inflammation and scarring of the skin so one presumes it has a greater chance at improving Peyronies symptoms than rubbing toothpaste on the plaque!

I have a similar approach to Winter regarding trying potential cures- if there's very little chance of something having a deleterious effect, it's not exceedingly expensive and it doesn't require hours of time a day then I'll give it a shot.

So on that basis I'd love to continue to hear updates from anyone who has used it and seen/not seen results! I will of course update everyone as and when I notice any change in symptoms myself.

I'm on day two of using Hirudoid. Obviously it's too early to document any results but it feels good on the penis, and it's not as harsh or aggressive on the tissue as Diclofenac (Voltaren).
Voltaren actually caused me random waves of pain so, to me, it didn't work good.
I will apply Hirudoid for another week before I document any results.

same here, no adverse effects yet!

Sorry for being off topic but am I the only one having thinning caused by A LOT of really small scars spread all over the tunica? Seems like I can relate to anyone on that?
Or what causes you guys thinning? There's like 500 small speed bumps just everywhere completely strangling my penis's girth.
This doesn't effect curve but it's devastating.

Godisreal, I have several dents all over my dick. Only when REALLY fully erect most of them disappear. Also some hourglassing at the middle and some sections that never completely fills up. It adds a dire fear of having a fragile mid section that would break under pressure.

Talking about Hirudoid. I just bought the Gel version. It is incredibly better. It gets completely absorbed much quicker!! It is also 500mg instead of 300mg like the cream (the only alternatives i've found here).

I totally understand Hawk's points. They make a lot of sense! I must confess I was not expecting a prankster here for several reasons. First, this is a really obscure disease that usually only a patient knows. Often not even urologists knows very well! Second, someone would have to be really really evil to apply this prank. Because he would have to study the disease deeply, to make up this very elaborate, cunningly reasonable solution, based on a very convenient medicine, in order to build up this almost believable story of success. This guy would be a really clever and despicable prankster. Not that are not people like this. Hawk probably saw plenty of troublesome jerks here across all those years. But I would be really surprised on this case. Specially because Hirudoid apparently is quite safe.

I also agree completely with Hawk on the criteria to fully validate a treatment while testing with minimal rigor. Unfortunately I am definitely not a strong candidate for this protocol. It is important to clarify this not to induce my fellow colleagues to false hope. I think time is my enemy, and any day with pain could mean new inflammation leading to further damage. Therefore I will often proceed like TWalker, testing everything safe and reasonable, simultaneously, hoping for improvement. That's why I cannot nail precisely what had effectively helped and what had not. I cannot even rule out spontaneous recover, although rather unlikely.

Hawk, with all your experience here, do you really think it is likely to be a prank?

My reports. I was starting to feel a very uncomfortable increasing pain on the past two week, to the point of hurting all day long. Therefore I switched to gel and started rubbing it generously twice a day, even over the glans. No bad reaction at all so far.
But since I was not getting much progress on the pain, I also started to take Celebrex pills twice a day, following the example of some guys from a very old post here from 2011. I don't know if it was either the celebrex or the Hirudoid, but roughly 90% of the pain vanished after just two days. I am feeling much better! I only feel a tiny discomfort while getting erect, but it is going away rather quickly. Still not seeing any progress with the dents or lump sizes. But feeling a lot better overall. I will keep using celebrex once a day until finishing the whole box. But I will keep rubbing Hirudoid twice a day for a while. Let's see how things will behave. Cheers!

Quote from: Winter on April 05, 2021, 12:11:23 AM



But since I was not getting much progress on the pain, I also started to take Celebrex pills twice a day, following the example of some guys from a very old post here from 2011.

   Before SNHL I also took Celebrex and can attest to the fact that it does somewhat lessen the pain of peyronies and joint pain.  It is a Cox-2 inhibitor and works very well for some individuals. People got scared of it when it was temporarily taken off the market. It has newer studies to show it as safe as ibuprofen and aspirin.  When you combine your 2 types of treatment you never really know which one is working and to what degree.  I am skeptical of a cream penetrating the dermal layer of the skin and doing any good for peyronies. Several compounding pharmacists tried their best  to make me a penetrating cream for my hormone problem with no success. They told me our skin is very impermeable to a lot different substances.  Just my thoughts :)

I'm on day 5, I cant say I notice any difference in the lump size, but my penis definitely feels less inflamed, especially after masturbating.

i wrap a graze around the scar with a load of cream before going to bed. not sure if it's the best way however as the cream might get displaced at some point!

I'm on day I don't know lol, but pain hasn't gone nowhere and it's making me go insane, quite frankly.
If I apply a lot throughout the day, there's a slight decrease in inflammation.
But nothing compared to an improved diet, I believe diet is way more important than these half-assed creams, unfortunately. I also jacked off two times in a row just to feel something (super depressed) and the second time definitely took damage on my dick.
Celebrex isn't available prescription-free here so that's a bit of a hassle.

I also wanna ask what natural oils can have potential to seep deeper?
I know DMSO will help with that but DMSO f*cked me up last time I used it, and I still have unexplained pain in between my penis raphe (bottom back) and my balls.
So I'm scarred for life on that one lol

I just bought hirudoid but then I found this article https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262880027_Complete_Penile_Necrosis_in_a_Patient_With_Heparin-induced_Thrombocytopenia_A_Case_Report

What the fk? Necrosis ?! Is this post a scam? What kind of evil creature would post this? Am I being paranoid?

Is hirudoid really safe?!

Graggaxy
How are you linking this case report to Hirudoid topical use?

"A 75-year-old man presented with acute renal failure and experienced cardiac complications during the hospitalization. The patient was treated twice with intravenous heparin. He developed symptoms of penile necrosis 4 days after the reintroduction of heparin."

Yes, you're being very paranoid. You're linking 1 case report of a 75 years old man with a history of factor V Leiden, severe coronary atherosclerotic disease, and chronic renal failure because of diabetic nephropathy. He then got treated with intravenous heparin (a different drug).

???

No, hirudoid is heparin. its the same active agent. they are substitutes

I will side with Tortão on this one.
I know you are worried, but it appears to be a farfetched relation here. Even the article you've brought mentions that there were only two cases in the whole medical records of penile necrosis under those circumstances. One was a lung cancer patient and the other the one of the link. Both incredibly ill patients, with a myriad of dreadfully grim diseases. Also, the intravenous medicine operates on a much different scale, with different proposal, promoting much different reactions to different ends.

I have searched on several websites for any side effect related to topical Hirudoid.
The common answer is often like this:
There are no reported side effects for Hirudoid cream or gel. However, the cream and gel both contain additional ingredients that can cause allergic reactions.

They usually clear the main substance and blame the additional ones for a rash or something milder. Note that, even though they may be very similar substances (no, they are NOT completely identical), the intravenous one works very differently. On both gel and cream's leaflet I have, on the side effects session, it doesn't mention anything remotely similar to that, even on the rarest of cases group.

I have been using the 500mg, gel version, twice a day, even on the glans, for almost two weeks and I am feeling nothing wrong. All the way around! But I will give a couple of weeks before reporting back.

Obvioulsy this is a experimental test with no avail of any doctor. It is an unsanctioned leap of faith on the pursuit of an effective treatment. Feel free not to use if you don't think it is safe. It is probably a wise and careful choice, specially if you are so deeply concerned with such a rare (almost unique) and radical side effect, happening so instantaneously you couldn't even stop rubbing the cream before complete necrosis. Our mind is a powerful thing and it can promote not only placebo effects, but also psychosomatic disorders. Beware!

Where the heck are you guys ordering this stuff? It's not at any local pharmacy for me. I see it on websites, but don't know which one to trust 

winter, would you recommend the gel over the cream?

been starting to put it regularly every night after a little break and am wondering if the gel gets absorbed quicker/better

Hi there Mark.
Totally! The gel is so much better in terms of absorption. A lot quicker. In less than 5 min it is completely dry.
I hope the skin is absorbing mostly rather than the gel drying out, vanishing to the air.
Besides, where I live the Gel is 500mg, while the cream is 300mg.

diehardpatriot
Hi there! Here where I live I can pretty much find out at any given drugstore. Apparently things are different in US, oddly.
Perhaps you could find it through ebay.

On eBay, I can only find 100g "heparinoid" active ingredient. I see that your guys's cream has 300mg-500mg of heparinoid , please tell me if I'm wrong? If this is true, I'll have to figure out a way to get the good stuff. Perhaps on online pharmacy overseas

I will follow this with interest.

Logically though, if the original poster had Peyronie's before and it healed by itself, then he gets it again and applies a cream, it may have just healed by itself without the cream exactly as it did the first time around.

hello is anyone else who tried hirudoid improved in curvature after used?

I found this on another website from 2019. Apparently this guys urologist suggested hirudoid cream


I'm male, 27yrs. About 6 months ago, I had a lump on my
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Hello,
I'm male, 27yrs.
About 6 months ago, I had a lump on my penis (on the right side of shaft close to the foreskin) with some veins around it and along the shaft. this happened after having an erection for a long period on time (2 to 3 hours). Then, this lump and the veins disappeared overnight. However, two months later the same thing happened again but this time the lump and the veins don't disappear. 4 days later I decided to get a feel of that lump while the penis is flaccid (I touched very hard), the lump then inflamed and grow bigger and became painful. I left it alone for about two weeks (during this period I had no erection) and the situation got better (the pain disappeared and the lump became very small). then I thought that it is gone, I started to have erection (maybe more than the usual) and the lump appeared back again with some pain too. It seem that the lump is associated with having an erection (it becomes very hard while the penis in erect and stay a bit hard after that and then it looks like it has disappeared). I still have normal erection and I have no pain while ejaculation or urinating. I asked a urologist and he said that this could be a inflamed vein and gave me Hirudoid cream, I have been using that for one week and I still no improvement. please help me with this matter and thank you very much

😂😂 I'm on bird too!! Let's go. Haven't laughed in awhile. But love this board

Curve killer , did he ever post a follow up? If he didnt, I take that as good news.

Also been using hirudoid for a few days now. Wow what an immense difference. Pain and inflammation has stopped almost completely. I get nightly erections again and the bump is a lot softer and almost gone. I'm not sure if this will help healing on the long term or if this is just a temporary effect of the cream. Did anyone discuss this with his urologist? Wonder if it could have negative long term effects.

I will also try this hirudoid.

let's see if it does anything  ;D

I have used conservatively for a few days and I have to say it really does seem to help with pain. My penis feels better and he plaque might actually be a little softer or it could just be the foreskin is softer - tough to say.

Are there any negative experiences? So far I have found nothing worse than it didn't help.

My only fear is that if this is softening things up that that might lead to softer erections but so far I haven't read any reports on this.

Going to stop for a few days and compare to how I feel now.

Hi guys. I've got some Hirudoid on order and intend to give it a try, if only to stop the constant (albeit mild) inflammation pain associated with my active lesion. That constant reminder that something is wrong is really unnerving!

I did try Hirudoid briefly back in 2008 or so when I was having a mild flare. At that time, I was thinking it might have actually been a thrombosed vein, so that's why I got Hirudoid. It wasn't a thrombosed vein - I think it was actually a mild Peyronies Disease flare - and I couldn't tell the Hirudoid was doing anything, so I didn't try it more than maybe a couple times.

But with this flare, I have definite inflammation feelings 24/7, and can feel the lesion, so I'm anxious to give it a try and see if it can at least shut down that inflammation. Especially as I'm not supposed to take Ibuprofen, due to my Ulcerative Colitis.

I've tried Voltaren, but it does nothing for me.

I'll report back here.

Nemo

Hi guys, I have gone through 4 tubes already and it absolutely reduces penile swelling and discomfort.
It seems to make my penis more elastic. I would like to know why we should not put it on the glans (mucous membrane).

It also seems to interact with nattokinase, so please do not take/use them at the same time until I or someone else figures out what this means. Nattokinase is ultimately the best supplement IMO for penile pain and hinging / denting while flaccid, so that would be too bad if we couldn't use them together, but I want to be careful.

As I mentioned in my video on hirudoid, it does have some rationale to be used as an antifibrotic, but the science seems contradictory to me at this point,

The only potential fear I have about hirudoid would be a reaction, "Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia," but I do not know if this can happen with such a low dose of a heparin derivative.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha.106.632653

Hi NeoV, are you using this on an active case of inflammation, such as a nodule or lesion?  Just wondering.  Glad to hear you find it useful, regardless.

Regards,
Nemo

Hi NeoV
I use it on the glans regularly (both gel and cream) and it doesn't cause any discomfort whatsoever.
I suspect it helps to be absorbed deeper easier than over the rougher skin of the penis.

But honestly speaking, all the benefits of the Hirudoid, to me, stopped after the first few days. After that I have just been using it out of tradition and hope. My penis still hurts sometimes while getting erect, even after a whole year with this disease. To me, the pain "activation" is more a matter of getting aroused while under the wrong "conditions" like while using an underwear, or while seated.

I will look out this nattokinase supplement. Thanks for the tip!
I think another user questioned this trombose fear regarding heparin. But all that I've read it about it claims to be a problem of the injectable product, not the cream. But it is a valid fear.

Hirudoid is the brand name for heparinoid, which is designed to reduce inflammation of blood vessels just under the skin, specifically, "superficial thrombophlebitis".  There's no reason to assume it will work to dissolve plaque on the tunica.  I would warn again as other posters have that this is extremely experimental (as someone said "mad scientists") and I would definitely not think of it as something to slather all over the penis as if that would make more of it get absorbed by the afflicted area.  Your penis is not a like a sponge cake soaking up fruit sauce.  There are chemicals that will penetrate your skin and others which will just irritate it.  If the active ingredient of Hirudoid cream or gel can actually penetrate the skin deeply and do something on the plaque that causes Peyronie's, it would be most effective applied only on the exact region where the plaque is, and certainly not all over the whole penis.  Also, just because the skin of the glans may be more sensitive, that doesn't make it some kind of portal that will make drugs flow magically into the area where they might do some good. 
  So please, apply some caution and some logic here.  If people are going to try this, first start out small by applying to the area just over the plaque (where your dent or hourglassing or bend/hinge is).  Leave the rest of your member in peace in case this stuff doesn't actually help at all.  As the gentleman said, he had Peyronie's ten years ago and it healed spontaneously.  If he has it again and the cream is working, then maybe what he had then AND now was really an inflammation of some veins or capillaries in his member, and that is actually something which Hirudoid could be expected to help reduce.

I was using it to reduce swelling from some VED I had been doing, and just to see how it felt.

I have zero expectation of it helping the penile tissue, but there are papers on how heparin derivatives prevent fibrosis in lung tissue, that's all.
Now, it absolutely does help with swelling and vascular inflammation, it has been shown to do so in studies, and it got rid of my swelling and made some veins disappear that had been protruding a bit.

It probably does absorb better through the glans, but again, I wonder why the manual says "do not use on mucous membranes."

I am not sure if it is just my progression as my erections have been worsening for months, but I applied this a couple times a day for 3 days about 20 days ago. Since then I have not had a very good erection. They feel softer.

Has anyone else had this experience? I wish I hadn't tried this at all as NSAIDs basically took care of the pain already.

Neo, did you really use 4 tubes and continue to get good erections?  If so,  I'll assume my condition isn't because of the hirudoid cream.

I'll be even more distraught if I made matters worse by experimenting.

Anyone else not have verections affected negatively?

According to my personal experience, I'd say that your erection quality has not been altered because of the use of hirudoid.

I've been applying generous quantities of hirudoid for a long time with any issue.

I've never used it in the glans have to say. Only in the shaft.

At first I think it had more effect against the pain. Lately it seems it's not as effective as at the beginning.

Ok. Well good to know. Coincidence then. Hopefully I can figure out my EQ issue then

I tried it (also the forte version) and it helps a bit but not the same amount like it does with friedrich (far away from painless). Mostly the cooling effect of the cream once you apply it feels good. The pain becomes weaker after about 30 min, but not much and also comes back for me.

Thought I would just update as I received my Hirudoid and have used it (only over the scar/nodule area) for a couple days now.

I don't feel Hirudoid has done much (or maybe anything) to stop the slight achy/inflamed feeling of the nodule. I suspect the pain we feel in the flaccid state is as much nerve stimulation as inflammation pain, and so I reckon it's hard to turn off those nerve signals when there is any active inflammation.

One thing I have noticed though, is that my penis seemed to hang looser and fuller, as opposed to the hard flaccid we tend to suffer during a Peyronies Disease active phase. Can't say for certain Hirudoid is doing this, but it may be contributing in some way.

I've had no irritation or skin problems whatsoever with the cream. Does not irritate my testicles or anything.

I view this as something that won't hurt me, and if it stands any chance of getting even a few molecules through to reduce inflammation, it's bound to be worth the effort.

Will update if I notice any more developments.

Nemo

Nemo, how are your erections after using?

To be fair, I don't have many these days. I'm limiting sex with my girlfriend to about once a week, and when I get night time erections, they're barely 50% (I haven't had good NTEs for years), so I can't really say.

The times I've had full erections though, since using the cream, I haven't noticed any difference in erection quality.

Nemo

Anyone else notice erection changes after using? Just want to make sure this is ok for other guys. It says not to use on penis so there must be a reason.

I've heard from several guys privately that their erections have not been negatively affected so that gives me comfort.  However, I think using this cream is a not a great idea and I regret trying it as it really did nothing for me. I only tried for 3 days and only small amounts on my plaques. If it says no genitals,  then I think no one should use it unless multiple docs ok it and there are studies behind it.

Where did frederich zuckermann go anyway? He drops in and raves about this cream then disappears? He signed up the very day he started touting this cream. It lls he the one selling on ebay?

If people are going to claim a majorly successful treatment they should stick around longer as guides, not bolt after 2 weeks.

Stick to proven, medically approved methods.  That's all I'm doing in future.

Quote from: Sanabo on August 07, 2021, 01:43:46 PM
I've heard from several guys privately that their erections have not been negatively affected so that gives me comfort.  However, I think using this cream is a not a great idea and I regret trying it as it really did nothing for me. I only tried for 3 days and only small amounts on my plaques. If it says no genitals,  then I think no one should use it unless multiple docs ok it and there are studies behind it.

Where did frederich zuckermann go anyway? He drops in and raves about this cream then disappears? He signed up the very day he started touting this cream. It lls he the one selling on ebay?

If people are going to claim a majorly successful treatment they should stick around longer as guides, not bolt after 2 weeks.

Stick to proven, medically approved methods.  That's all I'm doing in future.

Don't forget that guys like Gabriel reported some MAJOR benefits from Hirudoid.

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,15711.msg139340.html#msg139340

I didn't notice any improvements on erections (since I don't have any problems with this) nor with curvature.
But the cream often helps me on managing the pain after sex or VED, even if mildly.

It is some sort of an amateur experimental treatment that might work or not. Pretty much like most in Peyronies treatments, even the so called "medically approved ones".
Check out the Xiaflex section to see how crazy, individualized and random this disease can be. To some it means the cure. Others will say they've got worse after using it.
One thing can be miraculous to one, but useless to others. I won't rule out ANY treatments on this disease.

Since I don't have access to Xiaflex in my country (and the only "medically approved method is vitamin E), I will definitely keep using Hirudoid. 
I will also try everything that sounds reasonable or somewhat harmless.

Hirudoid has ruined me. My dick is weak and rubbery after using for a week. It doesn't work anymore. STAY AWAY FROM THIS CREAM!

I hate all of you idiots for suggesting this. Should have known.

It doesn't work anymore? Has it worked before then?
A new guy just shows up here, out of nowhere, just after signing up, to bash the cream with nonsensical complains while offending everybody.
Okay....

Ok, I will assume this is all true. I am sorry for your situation. You are, indeed, in your right to warn everyone.

We must remind everyone that this product, along with several others, are not prescribed my any doctor. This is us, trying things some stuff randomly, while assuming all the risks ourselves, to counteract the fact that most doctors only prescribe vitamin E and vigilance. But we are obviously making ourselves test subjects. To try something unsanctioned it means to, willingly, accept all the risks personally. No one promised some miracle safe cure. Therefore, to call people idiots is very rude and unfair.

What do you mean by your penis becoming "weak and rubbery"? Are you facing erectile dysfunction because of Hirudoid? Is this some skin problem? How was this cream working before "messing up with you penis"? Were you experiencing some improvements? What do you mean by "was working as it should"? How it should work in your perception?
In order to properly advise against this product, you should detail your situation a lot more.

But anyway, I honestly wish you all the best on your recovery. This is a mean disease that can be really nasty. We should be nice to each other.

Working means I got hard erections. I noticed about a week after using this things were overall softer, flaccid and erect.

I applied mostly on shaft, but once or twice a little got on glans. I am taking a break from everything and will see what happens. Maybe it is temporary and the body will heal as it often does with many things.

Preserving hard erections is priority number 1. Correcting curve, no 2.

I advise everyone to stay away from this cream and use a minimalist approach to your condition. Find a good doc and follow his instructions, not the advice of anonymous forum people.

Good luck to all. Peyronies sucks.

Quote from: Forgen on August 14, 2021, 09:50:20 AM

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I advise everyone to stay away from this cream and use a minimalist approach to your condition. Find a good doc and follow his instructions, not the advice of anonymous forum people.

Good luck to all. Peyronies sucks.

You do realize that this includes you, right?

In fact, your reaction was quite unique! As you said, you actually had harder erections with Hirudoid. Perhaps only the OP reported something closer to that. This is not a small thing. If Hirudoid promoted harder erections, why it would kill your erections afterwards? This is also very strange and unanticipated.
I am focusing on this point because most people reported only mild relief on pain while using it (myself included). From what I can tell, only the OP reported improvements on erections and curvature. Also Gabriel, a very well known, long time member, reported incredible results on pain.

At least for me, based on the reports, I wouldn't expect progress on the erections.

I advise everyone to look up for doctors and gather as much information as possible. But also to take responsibility for any experimental treatment you find fit for your case. Not blaming others.
I've visited at least 6, supposedly specialist doctors. 4 of them told me to take vitamin E and to wait and see. One told me to take Colchicine but later to wait and see. All of them gave the verdict of just praying for the disease to stabilize or to consider surgery (which in my case of no curvature but hourglassing, would be an implant). Because they were all following the well established instructions.

Only one of those doctors told me to, pretty much, follow what it is written on the survival guide from this forum. It is important to point out that he wasn't following the standard recommendation procedures, but being independent and taking some risks!

If anyone wants to follow the minimalist approach, that is fine! Go for it!
But if this person keeps getting worse, even while being minimalist, it is quite understandable that he would try to fight this damn condition by trying alternative methods. But please, be mature and have in mind that there are risks involved.

But there also risks involved in doing nothing as well. Have this in mind as well.
We also have to consider the sum of all the reports and from whom they've came individually.
Also the fact that this disease is quite unpredictable and variable among suffers. Every progress is different, every case is unique.

Good luck and God bless.

Are you the mystery man Frederich Zuckermamn? Are you selling on eBay? Your strong defense of this cream is highly suspicious.

I was getting hard BEFORE the cream. Now I am not after. What is so confusing about this?

I had a doc tell me this cream could have weakened ligaments and tissue. What do you say to that?

Is that you, Jan.Schaller ? Long time no see!!!

But me being suspicious? Right...

I am not defending the cream at all! I've said several times that I only got small benefits from it, if any. But I have been using it regularly for 3 months and have not noticed any side effects. Neither very good nor that bad.
I'm just respectfully inquiring about your bold opening statements. Or do you expect that easy to come here, out of the blue, denigrating everyone and everything, without even introducing yourself posting an intro, or at least filling out your signature? All without raising any doubts?

You claim things that are highly unlikely to happen and call everyone that are trying an experimental treatments as idiots, as if you were the victim of malicious scammers. As if we weren't all equally trying and risking ourselves.

Why would we have to accept anything you say is true if you don't provide any proof? You are the first among dozens of members, with much more credit, to claim such a suspicious result. Again, what did you expect? Instant and unconditional acceptance?
As if this forum has never had weird members whose hobby is badmouthing all possible treatments and those who try them out.

My main objective here is not to question you, but your ideas. I would like to encourage people to be careful, rational and reasonable.
Consider the situation as well as your condition. Assess the risks of starting any alternative treatment or not. Test anything with prudence and attention. Consider testimonials from reputable users, but don't overlook anything, such as the unpredictability of the disease and, even, new members.
Ultimately, unfortunately, we only have ourselves to blame for our decisions, to act or to be conservative and wait. Every choice involves risks.

One thing we probably agree, this original post should be on the alternative treatment tab. But blame the OP for the bad choice of location.

But I also think we should have a space to post our experiences with non-conventional treatments. It is up to each one to try it (at their own risk) or not any of them. But to suppress information because the medical community does not endorse is also silly. Specially when the doctors don't have almost nothing to offer in return. They have to worry about legal issues and academy protocols which may take years! While some of us have to face continuous worsening in our conditions without any support.
I think it is devastating to tell a man to just wait and see... and pray.
This was the "safe science backed treatment" that was recommended to me. Thanks, but no thanks...

Everyone should face their own situation with prudence and pragmatism. And the risks are all yours.
God Bless

Dude, you are truly a negative person!  This is a forum on a disease that is hard to fix, so people try things outside the box.  Also, you can find on this forum that almost every recommendation of treatment their are people who said it worked or it made them worse....outside of the typical vitamin supplements.  Plus some who say a particular treatment has made them worse, seems to me they are overreacting. 

Finally, why do you only have 20/20 hindsight?  It does not take a rocket scientist to know that if someone joins the forum and reports a "cure" and leaves right after it is suspect....

Use every single recommendation at your own risk and stop blaming others. 

Why am I negative?  Gee, I dunno maybe because this cream has wrecked my dick.

I didn't scan the guys history.  I guess I should have. Sorry I wasn't vecpecting a scam artist on a website for a rare penis disease. But when you see Gabriel, Winter and others raving about it and then Neo makes a video saying it feels great one might tend to believe it works and is harmless.

Those that think it is beneficial because your dick feels looser or more elastic, well that's not good actually. That's the cream damaging your tissue.

This site should not be allowing risky suggestions and if so they should be limited to a section clearly labeled EXPERIMENTAL.

The fact any of you can rationalize allowing such behavior and then say "hey free speech man" is sickening.

Okay Jan, we get your point, you don't like Hirudoid. Period. Jeez! This question has already been stretched way too far! My Godness!
You don't need to post in every forum thread talking about it. Leave your point of view on the right tab and let people draw their conclusions. Do not, inadvertently, recruit other members to your cause without their consent. Let them speak for themselves.

You're counting on speculation from some users about the cream's uselessness to preach a fiery aversion to any alternative treatment. Spreading negativity, denigrating the site for irresponsibility, and calling as idiots or pranksters everyone who would not adhere, with blind subservience, to strict medical guidelines.
I don't buy your praise to the survival guide. Because you exhaustively expressed your opinion about only having to follow only these "science-proven measures" a few times. It seems like bait to gain sympathy for your strange personal mission of limiting choice and information.

Apparently you feel an irrational anger at any alternative treatment. Okay, we understand this. You have already spoken countless times. I can imagine that you probably followed some urologist's conservative instructions to the letter and your case got worse. Overcamed by anger, indignation and frustration, you began wasting your time terrorizing others into following the same path, as if correcting the injustice you have think you have suffered. Obviously all you defend is about denying free speech and to shut opposers.
Give your opinion based on your experience, but respect others and let readers think!

Most importantly, this reply is not a Hirudoid defense. This is a warning to all newcomers: There are people of all kinds on these forums. Even psychological terrorists. It is obvious that no one is going to criticize anyone whomever wanted to follow formal medical guidelines and the limited instructions of medical bodies of doing practically nothing by the letter. But remember that this is an unrelenting, unpredictable, and understudied disease. Inexplicable worsening is quite common, and wrong correlations of cause and effect are quite frequent.

Virtually nothing in the survival guide is endorsed by medical agencies. But these are actions based on empirical experiences, shown to be, probably, useful and reasonable.
Use any method with the full awareness that the risks are yours. But be aware that it is quite common to see angry people preaching against everything, promoting fear and despair. 

Ok, let's all tone it down a bit. First of all, most of this has taken place in the last 48 hours. It is impossible for the admins and moderators to pre screen every post. And we are not on the forum 24 hours a day. All have a right to their opinions. ANY suggested new treatment needs to be evaluated and backed up before anyone tries it. I think the "jury is still out" on this particular cream. Seems some like, and some not. Personally I would not try anything that I did not research for myself and was able to find some established studies or publications. That doesn't mean this cream is good or bad. And I am sorry Forgen that this seems to have caused you problems.

I will move this to the alternative treatments board.

Quote from: orriw on August 02, 2021, 07:45:39 AM
I tried it (also the forte version) and it helps a bit but not the same amount like it does with friedrich (far away from painless). Mostly the cooling effect of the cream once you apply it feels good. The pain becomes weaker after about 30 min, but not much and also comes back for me.

Guys please dont PM at me for this cream, i can not say much it didnt help me i get more pain when i rub it in thr spot where my pain is, but this is probably due to touching it, not the cream itself. The cream worsened nothing fpr me but i will also not buy it again.

It's amazing. Years without finding a product able to reach the tunica and suddenly we find one that get deep inside, but of course with negative effect. Wtf?!
We better keep with vitamin E. Just in case...

I've used tons of hirudoid. Even after became famous in the forum. An uro prescribed it to me after having a posible tromb vein. Any side effect. I Could debate about if it is useful for pain or not.. but that is negative for erectil function???!!!!! Haha is really funny

The OP's story is pretty suspect, and he's been gone for a while now. For all we know, this could've been a prank to convince people to put this on our dicks, and he's just laughing behind his computer screen. Who really knows? There's no scientific studies or evidence to back it up either. I'm with Hawk and Willis on this one. Not taking that risk here. I know others have had success... but it's just not for me. 

OuchItHurts, As a newbie that basically just got here, and who knows little about Peyronies Disease and nothing about medicine, rather than randomly spouting fear based on nothing that is the basis of your inflamed rhetoric?

1. If you have ANY evidence or clinical trials, share them
2. If you have ANY special medical or pharmaceutical qualifications, tell us what they are
3. If you have ANY information on studies, share them
4. If you have ANY official printed warning, tell us
5. If you have nothing but a scrap of personal anecdotal evidence, tell us about that.

If you have none of that, then just say," based on absolutely nothing I choose to think believe that Hirudoid is dangerous

As far as calling another member a "sick individual," that is a blatant violation of forum rules.  It is especially disturbing or "sick" when someone does it without a single shred of evidence.

Do not post again until you address a direct answer to each of the five numbered items above.

Hawk
Founder/Administrator

Since OuchitHurts freezes up anytime he is asked for a shred of evidence or science, I ran analytics that confirms he is one of those trolls (Forgen) who posts nonsense out of ignorance or as childish pranks. He was previously banned for his nonsense and clear rule violations.

Most of his posts are being deleted.

I really don't understand why these guys, or maybe just this one, comes here so often, under different aliases, just to mess with us. As if we were all perfectly fine to begin with...
I remember reading old posts from disturbed individuals like Jan.Schaller, Matty, Peter123 and now Forgen and this Ouchithurts. Maybe they're all the same guy who just has nothing better to do than troll guys who are already being trolled by fate and biology. It's all completely meaningless and unintelligible to me. It's also cruel and mean...

To be able to deal with this wickedness, I have to believe that he is just a sad peyronies sufferer who, at first, probably misguided by the doctors, decided to do nothing, to then worsened to a dreadful point that all he wants now is payback for his wounds. Specially by hurting and confusing others as some sort of perverted compensation.

If this is true, even if you are that evil brother, I will be praying for you because I feel your pain as well. Like you I, also think I did nothing to deserve this. But hate won't heal us. Only faith, diligence and science. God bless you and may he heal us all.

Again, this is not a defense for Hirudoid. Just a warning for new members. Be aware! Although most of us here are very decent people, there are wolves lurking around too. Don't be naive. Listen to Hawk's wisdom and follow the facts if you wanna be sure. Regarding anecdotal evidences, old members are generally more trustworthy, but not definitive, specially because each case is different with this disease. Be specially suspicious towards fanatical fear-mongers and incredibly successful newcomers as well (like Forgen and Zuckerman, respectively). But, ultimately, have in mind that ,if you're checking out the alternative treatments section (or anything very new or unorthodox), the risk is all yours. Be an adult l, face the consequences of your actions and don't come here later bashing everyone and blaming all the forum. We are all pursuing a way out in the dark as well.

Quote from: NeoV on July 29, 2021, 08:54:32 AM
Hi guys, I have gone through 4 tubes already and it absolutely reduces penile swelling and discomfort.
It seems to make my penis more elastic. I would like to know why we should not put it on the glans (mucous membrane).

It also seems to interact with nattokinase, so please do not take/use them at the same time until I or someone else figures out what this means. Nattokinase is ultimately the best supplement IMO for penile pain and hinging / denting while flaccid, so that would be too bad if we couldn't use them together, but I want to be careful.

As I mentioned in my video on hirudoid, it does have some rationale to be used as an antifibrotic, but the science seems contradictory to me at this point,

The only potential fear I have about hirudoid would be a reaction, "Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia," but I do not know if this can happen with such a low dose of a heparin derivative.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha.106.632653

I am an Internist and write for Lovenox (low-molecular-weight heparin) on a daily basis.  This is done subcutaneously.

I have also put patients on heparin drips (much higher doses) to treat life-threatening blood clots.

In other words, I have used a LOT of heparin in my life.

Heparin-induced thrombocytopenia is especially rare. I have actually never seen true HIT. I hope that helps.

Hey bros,

Just connected back to the forum for a quick update, before a long and thorough post on my recent progress I will make you when I end my rough period of selective exams in november.

I just scrolled over the recent posts on this topic, and I must say : wow... I'm a little saddened to see that negative/conspirative mentality can interfere that much with everyone relentlessely seeking a cure to this condition, and trying to share it with other folks for whom it might work too.


To this matter, a little update on hirudoid, to make things very clear, in my case at least (which I think is not a very extraordinary one):

- I've been using Hirudoid forte cream or gel almost daily for a few months now, one to two times a day, rubbing it everywhere on my penis, systematically including the whole glans;

- Its effects are still astonishing to me: 1) any flaccid pain and inflammation feeling disappears within a few minutes later ; 2) It prevents me from having pain in erection within at least a 10 hours range later ; 3) It allows me to have more frequent and harder erections at night (maybe because of an intrinsic effect of the cream, or maybe just because it suppresses my pain which allows erections to develop more easily ; 4) It allows me to at last, after 4+ years now, have sex almost without being aware of my pain or being too much aware and cautious about the positions, angles et moves of my penis (and God this is relieving).

- I noticed absolutely zero side effects, apart from a little histaminic raise I already signaled here, and which I take care of with an antihistamine at night (with no noticed side effect; and if a daily antihistamine is the price to pay to finally have a LIFE, trust me I'll pay it for the rest of my days).

- I don't buy the cream from a "pseudo-ebay-crook", but from a German big pharma website (homoempathia) which seems to be the only one to deliver it to France.


--> Just a quick conclusion, answering particularily to Sanabo's considerations about us sticking only to "science-proved treatments": bro, if everyone here had sticked to treatments that have 100 randomized-controlled studies to back them up, first of all nobody would use any treatment whatsoever and we would just weep in silence while waiting for magic healing to happen, and second we would never have discovered life-saving ways and tricks to alleviate or, in some cases, cure our symptoms and get out of this hell. I obviously personally relate to this, with special regards to Hirudoid, but also to the many treatments and means I discovered and tried here on this forum and that have helped me to cling on to life and hope for 4+ years and to progressively improve my condition.

In any case, I'll see you in a few weeks for an exhaustive and more digestible post, and wish you all the best in the meatime folks :) !!

Take care,

G

Sigh, now that both you, Neo and a bunch of others recommended Hirudoid, it looks like I just bit the bullet and bought a tube myself. I hate this pain, you were right about curcumax so I hope you're right about this too.

How often do you guys apply it? 1-2 times a day like Gabriel?

Hi,

I've only used hirudoid when I had flaccid pain. 1 time a day, usually at night so I could put the gel and let it dry. Only in the shaft, never in the glans.

If I have no pain I don't use it.

I'm too freaked out to ever contemplate rubbing this over my dick. If some of you have gotten good results from it then I'm glad but be cautious people and use at your own risk. I've never heard of Hirudoid cream being rubbed over the penis until now, especially to fight peyronnies. It just makes no sense for me but perhaps in the future it will some day be considered a treatment who knows...

I tried the Hirudoid forte cream. It doesn't do much at all. Maybe it really helps some, maybe it's just placebo, won't ever know for sure. It didn't affect my erections at all though, so that guy Forgen was just fearmongering.

I read this thread weeks ago and revisited it after I saw a Youtuber mentioned that it did something positive for him.

I did further studies into the application of Heparinoid and its effect on penis. What could have happened to the guys that go ED from it instead of improvement, could have been what the study below addressed. Low flow priapism and fibrosis of the penis.

In these exact words:

"In the last 30 y the appearance of priapism following the application of heparin has been mentioned only
about 20 times.3 – 7 None of the articles were able to clarify the pathophysiological mechanism"
https://www.nature.com/articles/3900759.pdf?origin=ppub

This might explain why doctors all over the place have no idea what's going on, because how rare it is.

"However, fibrosis of the corpora cavernosa was inevitable after
an erection lasting for 36h. This resulted in erectile
dysfunction, which could not be treated neither by
sildenafil nor by PGE1-autoinjection"

It seems that lower blood flow caused by anti-coagulant can cause stagnation of blood. I guess especially when we go to sleep because we aren't moving around to push the blood around.

"Low-flow priapism is caused by an obstruction of the
penile venous system.1,8 Hypoxia develops 2 – 3 h
later as a result of the stasis of intracavernosal blood.

Additionally, reduced oxygen saturation causes
damage to the vascular endothel and cavernosal
smooth muscles and resulting in considerable pain.

If the low blood flow and the hypoxic conditions

continue, fibrosis of the corpora cavernosa develops
after 6 – 36 h, finally leading to permanent erectile
dysfunction."

I wondered if that cream would work for narrowing/dent/hourglass?

If you're going to try it, I would recommend applying very, very, very small amount to start with. I noticed that when I did even in tiny amount it definitely changed the sensation for an hour or two. I am still on the fence if I should discontinue it.

I have flaccid pain only and flaccid curve only.

An old fibrosis exists pre trauma and is not painful. Pain is above it.

Anyone used this without the plaque and felt better ?

I want to try it for 3 times a week to stop/slow down pain and inflammatory reaction. As am not entirely sure I have peyronies.

Because of what the article a couple of post above said about low flow priaprism from heparinoid (Hirudoid). Perhaps it's a good idea to apply it during the day (morning, noon, or early afternoon at the latest) and not at night? If you have hours of erection for the whole night, that might be bad.

I applied the cream every night for the last month, and it did absolutely nothing for me. Doesn't help with the pain either. Like I said in an earlier post, maybe it will help, maybe it's the placebo effect, who knows? Everyone's different so maybe it could help you. This whole thing is pretty much trial and error anyway.

I think this cream is a BAD IDEA. if some like it great but it says not to put on genitals for a reason.

Think about it. If it is supposed to break down scar tissue why wouldnt it do the same for erectile tissue?

I asked a doc and he said if you slather it on your glans and it enters the blood stream it could break down collagen connective fibers and that this would weaken the structure of your penis. It would make it looser, thinner and more elastic.
You'd probably end up needing an implant.

I don't know about you but I want a nice firm tight thick erection not a weak, floppy, elastic one.

This cream is playing with fire. Plus, the OP seems like a prankster just like Hawk said. He came and went like ghost.

We only get one penis fellas. One bad choice and you might never bev the same.

Quote from: Moochalaki on April 26, 2022, 03:39:22 PM
I think this cream is a BAD IDEA. if some like it great but it says not to put on genitals for a reason.

Think about it. If it is supposed to break down scar tissue why wouldnt it do the same for erectile tissue?

I asked a doc and he said if you slather it on your glans and it enters the blood stream it could break down collagen connective fibers and that this would weaken the structure of your penis. It would make it looser, thinner and more elastic.
You'd probably end up needing an implant.

I would be careful putting anything on the thin skin at and around the glans, there I agree with you. I would also agree that it is right to follow the instructions that comes with any medical product. I have used it at the base of my penis to treat bruising but that is also my own responsibility, not a recommendation.

That said I would be careful saying that this cream, an over-the-counter substance, which is relatively weak and with anti-inflammatory properties, would break down the erectile tissue of the penis. Remember that it is manufactured to treat bruising in superficial veins in the skin.

I didn't say that it could dissolve collagen. A doctor did. 

It says on the box not to put on the genitals and this is most likely because it is harmful. Why else would the manufacturer prohibit this?

I was not saying that you had said it personally, I was responding to the information that you provided in your post.

Like I said previously - yes, it is important to follow the instructions and guidance for any medical products. It is guidance, not prohibition. If you choose to overlook those, that will be on your own risk.

My assumption is that Hirudoid, like many other anti-inflammatory skin creams, should not be applied to the genital area or the area around the eyes as the skin there is a lot thinner and more sensitive than elsewhere. That said, the most likely reaction is skin irritation, not a breakdown of the sub-cutane erectile tissue. It is an over-the-counter anti-inflammatory cream, not acid.

Those are just my thoughts stemming from checking the ingredients and carefully reading the guidance.

I've heard from 2 doctors now that say this cream dissolves collagen and will weaken your penis structure if applied to the glans

Where's Neo? He made a video saying this stuff was great 10 months ago and then disappeared. Did he destroy his penis from using this?

But what if it is applied directly to the plaques instead? What did you doctors say about it?

If on the shaft, they said, it probably won't get through to the tissue. But glans gets it into the bloodstream and it can breakdown the collagen inside then.

Either way,  imo, this is NOT WORTH THE RISK. Way better off taking Dual (tylenol,ibuprofen)  and taking it easy until acute is over.

This whole account by the OP seems highly suspect. I'd stay away.

Where's Neo? Guy used to post almost everyday.  Shortly after using 4 tubes he's MIA.

From a representative of the manufacturer:

"One study found an association between the accumulation of mucopolysaccharide and decreased collagen in the Achilles tendons of rabbits, indicating a collagenolytic (breaking down of collagen) activity.

Given the clinical effect on scars, it is likely that Hirudoid is able to break down collagen as well."

So, there you have it. This cream can weaken your penis. Doctors and the manufacturer agree 

Please, do not use this cream anyone reading this. 

Winter - are you using the forte version?

Quote from: Moochalaki on May 31, 2022, 08:48:00 PM
From a representative of the manufacturer:

"One study found an association between the accumulation of mucopolysaccharide and decreased collagen in the Achilles tendons of rabbits, indicating a collagenolytic (breaking down of collagen) activity.

Given the clinical effect on scars, it is likely that Hirudoid is able to break down collagen as well."

So, there you have it. This cream can weaken your penis. Doctors and the manufacturer agree 

Please, do not use this cream anyone reading this.

I do not usually keep responding to messages like these but this is hardly evidence of anything. Expressions like 'association' between effects, 'indicating' and 'this is likely' does not imply that there is any scientific findings supporting the quite strong conclusions that you are drawing. This does not say anything about the intensity of weakening of the collagen or the potential consequences of such effect (if any). It simply means it cannot be ruled out but also not outrightly proven.

By your logic, if hirudoid is applied to the glans, it enters 'the bloodstream' but ONLY breaks down collagen in the penis. If you apply it elsewhere, it enters the skin but NOT the bloodstream through the veins where it is supposed to act anti-inflammatory and instead just 'goes away'.

I think it has been made clear on the thread that everyone is using this at their own risk, no need to further emphasise that, but please be careful about spreading misinformation.

How is it misinformation when I quoted the manufacturer and I've been told by two doctors??

I said it CAN break down collagen, not it DEFINTELY WILL - although given those sources i think it is likely it would .Just trying to communicate that this is a bad idea and that other alternatives for pain are much better and safer. Jeeesh.

I am confused, isn't breaking down collagen and therefore scars exactly what we would want from a cream?

This is not news, this is exactly WHY people are trying it.

You want scar tissue broken down, not healthy tissue. This is what the manufacturer and 2 doctors explained to me. The cream might not target just scar tissue but collagen in healthy tissue too.

Quote from: Moochalaki on June 03, 2022, 08:08:26 PM
How is it misinformation when I quoted the manufacturer and I've been told by two doctors??

I said it CAN break down collagen, not it DEFINITELY WILL - although given those sources i think it is likely it would .Just trying to communicate that this is a bad idea and that other alternatives for pain are much better and safer. Jeeesh.

I appreciate that your concern is coming from good intentions but I do not think you are expressing them in a constructive way for this forum. What you are doing is taking vague anecdotal evidence and interpreting it as fact. You could have stopped a few posts ago by simply saying 'I would advice against it but it is up to everyone to decide what they want to apply to their own bodies'. Full stop.

Instead, you take something that is extremely indefinite and make the argument that peoples' penises will be weakened and that people 'will probably need an implant'. THAT is misinformation.

In a desperate attempt to help myself with this to remove the scar tissue plaque I gave this a shot:

Day 1: Moderate amount applies to the hard-bone-like area of scarring on the left side of the shaft, a few other small areas, an the midsection which is... well... partially 'bent' from a 'minor fracture/injury' a year ago approx. Nothing much to report.

Day 2: Same amount same areas, possibly a negligible amount of change or reduction in spider-veins.

Day 3: Although reduced feeling is an anticipated thing when there is scarring on the penis, applying this cream may have temp reduced the feeling even more just slightly. Same deal, possibly I am noticing some slight reduction in plaque volume.

Day 4: Skip.

Day 5: Just applied it 10 mins ago.

Has anyone else here noticed a slight reduction in feeling from using the cream?

If you think you have lost sensation then why on Earth would you continue?

I would stop now.

^I had reduced sensation previously due to the scarring, with this, I *may* have noticed a reduction in swelling, pain (presumably because of a slight numbing effect, I don't think this is a side effect but rather just part of the product/ingredient), possibly scarring which is what I tried it for. The loss of sensation isn't a loss of feeling exactly it's that numbing effect which is why other users here report that it helps pain. It also like another user said, made the erections temp 'soft' but I CAN still get a full one.

Idk, you're right I think i'll give this a miss, castor oil didn't do much either because it won't absorb, coconut oil maybe?

With that injury, plus very minor "wear and tear" (?) injuries since then, the shape of my downstairs area is, seriously, quite bent, even more so to the left than previously since using the cream although I can't see how this could make it worse, if anyones guess, it may have 'dissolved' the scar tissue which held the structure of the CC in place somewhat, which in turn caused it to become lopsided. yeah... my main concern is the scarring, i'd really like to get rid of that. hopeful thinking to think this would work, i'll just get rid of it.

Hello my dear guys,

On the occasion of a little few days return on the forum, and before a big annual post about my progress and what could help our community, I just wanted to make you a little Hirudoid (Forte version) update here.

So here's the summary of the events:
- For about 6 to 8 months, I applied the cream and/or gel daily in copious amounts, from tip (including glans) to base, often times several times a day. The anti-inflammatory and painkiller effect was huge, immediate, systematic and unprecedented. The only little side-effect I had to report, apart from a minor tingling on the penis, was a little rise of general allergic sensitivity (something with very little significance compared to the unheard benefits after years of daily pain).

- These last 6 months, as the pain has greatly subsided and just flares up with energic sex or masturbation, I have switched to gel only (which I finally find a little more effective and much more convenient), which I still apply in very generous amounts, especially when I use it as a masturbation lubricant. Still no side effects to report, and I deem the histaminogenic effect is now even gone or very attenuated.

In conclusion, I still, and will never be able to stress enough how much this crap has been an unsuspected miracle for me. I don't know how exactly how it works (it's suppose to alleviate vein inflammation... Which is supposed to be peripherical or irrelevant in Peyronies Disease?!), I don't know if it will work for a large part of our community, but I deeply hope so as it works wonders for me and contributed to give me back my life. I really, really encourage anyone with acute or chronic pain to try it, even in small and progressive amounts at first if you do want to, although I can now state with a pretty amount of certainty that this thing is totally cock-friendly.

Hope it will help bros; I'll be around for the next few days if you have any additional questions :-) !!

Cheers,

G

Hello everyone im quite new to this forum. I recently bought the hirudoid forte gel 4,45mg..

I only tried it once two days ago, and my erections are so soft now my penis is extremely elastic which i at first thought was a good sign, but my erections are super soft i am not sure whats going on down there, am a bit worried..
Applied it to the glans and everywhere on my penis

stay away from this gel/creme for gods sake, i believe my healthy tissue is breaking down
if you google "hirudoid broke down my penis" and on JustAnswers you will find several others with the same issue..
This is outrageous and i deeply regret trying this. I hope it will be fine only did it once

edit: check out this: https://www.justanswer.com/medical/j9cg0-used-hirudoid-forte-penis-suggested-men.html

Quote from: steen on September 01, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
stay away from this gel/creme for gods sake, i believe my healthy tissue is breaking down
if you google "hirudoid broke down my penis" and on JustAnswers you will find several others with the same issue..
This is outrageous and i deeply regret trying this. I hope it will be fine only did it once

edit: check out this: https://www.justanswer.com/medical/j9cg0-used-hirudoid-forte-penis-suggested-men.html

Multiple people warned about the absolutely retarded idea of rubbing this on your genitals when it has ZERO scientific evidence is does anything against penile fibrosis. You will be fine, trust me. Only thing you need to do now is to completely forget about it and never try such stupid ideas again. The last thing you want to do now is panic because then your anxiety will only lead to softer erections again and again.

Relax and believe me when I say you will be fine. Only trying it once is almost impossible to create the kind of damage you are talking about.

How many more guys is it going to take to harm themselves with this stuff to get this thread or any thread mentioning Hirudoid banned???

There are a bunch of guys on here that say it made them soft. There are threads on Just Answer of guys  speaking with  actual doctors  saying what this stuff did to them and that  it might be permanent.

I find the OP and Gabriel to be very suspect in the promotion of  this cream - a cream that the manufacturer states SHOULD NOT BE USED ON THE GENITALS. A cream that NO UROLOGIST RECOMMENDS for the use on the penis for Peyronie's. And a cream that through my own research in speaking with the manufacturer and discussions with my own doctors is capable of breaking down collagen (thus the more elastic, softer penis effect.)

Steen, I am sorry for your experience with this. Do not ever use it again. However, I agree with the other poster that it probably will be temporary, but may take some time for it to heal and strengthen again. The body is an amazing marvel at healing itself.

Best of luck.

Anyone new reading this, please go through this entire thread and pay attention to all of the warnings. Hawk said this may be a prank from the start. Ask your doctor for a safe FDA approved solution to your pain and STAY AWAY FROM HIRUDOID! 

@Hawk

I agree with Moochalaki. I don't think it helps anyone on the forum when threads like these get started. As the poster above stated the cream specifically says not to apply it on the genitals yet posters on here and various other forums go try it out and I cannot judge them because I know the desperation many take to try and overcome this disease. Just my two cents.

I do not for one second believe anyone who says this helped them to battle fibrosis in the penis..

Regarding legit actors i was following neos youtube channel he definitely seems legit and he liked this cream

its been a week. Feels like am walking around without a penis, not sure if i feel like a young boy or an old man. The structure seems to be gone or its very loose. I have an appointment thursday with urology, will take ultrasound and possibly mri.


Not sure if its smart to continue with cialis and citruline and near infrared light currently
Im looking into HGH or ibutamoren mk677 i have the latter available so think i will start using it. It seems promising for healing tissues

Neo disappeared after making that video on Hirudoid. He hasn't really been on here or YouTube since. He talked about it making his penis feel really "elastic." He claimed to be rubbing it all over. If anyone could get a hold of him, I'd love to know how his condition is but he has been MIA for about a year after being a frequent presence here.

Neo, if you are out there, can you chime in please?

It seems that people who only applied to the troublesome spot on the shaft didn't suffer any difficulties. It is the guys that apply to the glans that seem to have the trouble, probably because it makes it's way inside whereas the penile shaft skin might just be enough to keep it from penetrating the tissues.

I would hold off on using anything until you see a doctor. Good luck, man. I hope things turn around. I think they will.

And anyone else reading this,  please DO NOT USE HIRUDOID. There is no good reason too. It isn't meant for the penis and it has harmed several men at this point.

Quote from: Moochalaki on September 06, 2022, 09:10:16 AM
Neo disappeared after making that video on Hirudoid. He hasn't really been on here or YouTube since. He talked about it making his penis feel really "elastic." He claimed to be rubbing it all over. If anyone could get a hold of him, I'd love to know how his condition is but he has been MIA for about a year after being a frequent presence here.

Neo, if you are out there, can you chime in please?

It seems that people who only applied to the troublesome spot on the shaft didn't suffer any difficulties. It is the guys that apply to the glans that seem to have the trouble, probably because it makes it's way inside whereas the penile shaft skin might just be enough to keep it from penetrating the tissues.

I would hold off on using anything until you see a doctor. Good luck, man. I hope things turn around. I think they will.

And anyone else reading this,  please DO NOT USE HIRUDOID. There is no good reason too. It isn't meant for the penis and it has harmed several men at this point.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Ive seen Neo occasionally, if he had a negative experience with it surely he would be the type to go out and warn everyone about it. I used the geln not the crem maybe he used the cream and it didnt really absorb as well into the tissues as the gel, I dont know, hope he chimes in

Where have you seen him? He hasn't made anymore videos, I know that. No new videos since last summer - when he made the Hirudoid video. And he hasn't posted since 10/21. Idk. Maybe he has shifted his focus to something else.

Anyways, this cream is A BAD IDEA and NO ONE should be promoting it anymore. That much is certain.

Speaking of Neo I hope he is doing well. Havn't heard anything from him in a year.

Quote from: Moochalaki on September 06, 2022, 10:29:45 AM
Where have you seen him? He hasn't made anymore videos, I know that. No new videos since last summer - when he made the Hirudoid video. And he hasn't posted since 10/21. Idk. Maybe he has shifted his focus to something else.

Anyways, this cream is A BAD IDEA and NO ONE should be promoting it anymore. That much is certain.

You're right the hirudoid video was in june 2021 and he stopped posting in october 2021, i must have mixed him with another account.
Anyway he clearly had no issues with this cream, or else he would have said so. but yeah this thing sucks, part of me hopes its the peyronies that got worse, but I don't think its a coincidence that my penis suddenly is like rubber right after
starting hirudoid, clearly others have the same issue.
I feel so stupid now obviously. There were warnings, but was kind of desperate, and many others recommending it made me more comfortable trying it

Who knows really what happened with his experience? Just interesting that he disappeared shortly after his video and right about the same time men started reporting bad results..... All I know is is that trusting some anonymous(or pseudo anonymous like Neo) dude on the internet instead of a real life doc who can be held accountable for suggesting something harmful is just not a good idea. Neo is not a doctor, nor are 99% of the people on here.

If it occurred right after using the cream then yes, of course, there has to be a connection. Your Peyronie's would not just progress that quickly.

The good news is that body is always working to get back to homeostasis so anything that has changed (strength, shrinkage, etc) I would guess will regenerate and you'll be fine.

Just don't do anything else unless you get a doctor's approval.

That is the thing - so many of us are in agony over this and are sometimes desperate (especially  with the awful nagging pain) for things to end that we seek answers because the real FDA, doctor approved ones aren't fast enough or work as well as we hope they will.

Hang in there, bro.

Quote from: Moochalaki on September 06, 2022, 11:31:55 AM
Who knows really what happened with his experience? Just interesting that he disappeared shortly after his video and right about the same time men started reporting bad results..... All I know is is that trusting some anonymous(or pseudo anonymous like Neo) dude on the internet instead of a real life doc who can be held accountable for suggesting something harmful is just not a good idea. Neo is not a doctor, nor are 99% of the people on here.

If it occurred right after using the cream then yes, of course, there has to be a connection. Your Peyronie's would not just progress that quickly.

The good news is that body is always working to get back to homeostasis so anything that has changed (strength, shrinkage, etc) I would guess will regenerate and you'll be fine.

Just don't do anything else unless you get a doctor's approval.

That is the thing - so many of us are in agony over this and are sometimes desperate (especially  with the awful nagging pain) for things to end that we seek answers because the real FDA, doctor approved ones aren't fast enough or work as well as we hope they will.

Hang in there, bro.

The problem is finding a doctor that is qualified to evaluate this matter.  if you see the recommendations the people get from different doctors on Just Answer it seems like they don't know either they are just guessing and they have different takes aswell

Quote from: steen on September 06, 2022, 11:36:14 AM
The problem is finding a doctor that is qualified to evaluate this matter.

Boom. Not more I can add to that. Every single urologist I've seen over here in Sweden, I would get better help seeking advice from a brick wall or a tree.

Over half the percentage of men do not even seek help for this condition, I have read that estimations are that a very much larger amount of men out there suffer from this than we know because over half do not seek medical attention and those who do there is a very large amount who get treated like we are absolute morons by the doctors. They palpate your dick and send you out the door with a prescription of tadalafil..

Sonic, our "condition" is a "taboo" for the general population, is something that nobody talks about, how the hell they suppose to find a "cure".

Can someone else who has been damaged by this cream please chime in, i want to know if theres any hope. I know user "forgen" whos last post last post was one year ago had the exact same issue.
I want to know how are you today

It has come to my attention that Hawk banned user forgen for fear mongering and deleted Hirudoid threads who was desperately trying to warn us about this cream
Why the F~@< would you do that??
This could easily have been avoided, I'm distraught my penis is gone..
You shouldn't be moderating this forum, im feeling sick in my stomach...

And why cant I find "alternative treatment of Peyronies Disease in the menu" anymore?

I'm 99% sure Hawk himself thinks the idea of rubbing this garbage on your penis to reverse peyronies is a stupid idea so it's unfair to shift part of your blame on him.

You are saying you put hirudoid cream once on your penis and it's gone... I'm not sure what to believe now at first I thought you were genuinely serious now it sounds like you are trolling over here.

I wil repeat, if you are serious you need to STOP WORRYING. You will be 100% fine if you did indeed only try it out once.

As for the Alternative Treatment board it is still there!

Hey guys,

Work i starting to ramp up again so I'll have to be less present here for some time, but before that, after reading the dual-monologous answers by Steen and Moochalaki, I strongly wanted to make a few things clear here:

- If anyone here had to "take only your doctor advice and don't try anything out of the tracks", I think that less of 20% of the folks would have improved their condition whatsoever. By history and now almost by definition, Peyronies Disease has almost no strong academic, randomized-control data to support any proper treatment that would be safe and efficient. That's precisely why we are all here. If I had to just take my doctor's advice, I would still be in excruciating penile pain everyday, with a sexlife reduce to nothing and a never-ending depression (and I saw 3 of the finest Peyronies Disease urologist in Europe several times).

- Steen, man, from reading your sentences, it seems pretty clear that you are taken over by a lot of anxiety, which is totally normal and understandable. Nevertheless, this leads you to irrational claims, speculations and warnings, that can turn terribly counterproductive for the community: ie, no, Hirudoid has not "harmed so many men already"; no, it's not by never experimenting something out of doctor's recommendations (or absence thereof) that you will multiply your chances to get out of this living hell (eg if it wasn't for my own research/testing, I would never have discovered curcumin and boswellia which also did wonders for me); and no, this topic is not a prank, Neo is not dead somewhere in Kyoto's mountains from penile-melting for having rubbed his junk with some cream, and for myself, after all the time, energy, devotion, honesty and positivity I've been trying to give to this forum for 5 years now, I find your allegations highly preposterous.

- Again, I have applied and still apply when needed copious amounts of Hirudoid everywhere on my penis, sometimes several times a day, with no more effects than an immediate relief in pain. If it was'nt for trying this stuff out of the blue from an obscure recommendation of an obscure new member here, I would still be down in deep hell. So just follow common sense: at the time you deplete all the basic advice and processes listed in the Peyronie's survival kit on the forum, experiment cautiously any thing you deem possible, using simple reflexion and basic scientific method (ie, for instance with any cream or onguent, apply a small dose somwhere on your skin outside of your penis, then a higher dose at the same place, then a small dose on your penis, then a higher dose, etc. etc.; evaluate the effect, then discontinue the treatment for one or two weeks, and then go back to it: as for supplements or any wannabe treatment, this is how you ensure that something is working or not, and in a safe way).


So, hope this helps clear things; Steen, bro, you can't imagine how much of ED is psychological, even when you seem 100% sure that the cause may be physical and consecutive to a tangible event (I've learnt that the hard way along those painful 5 years). Good news is, beginning a psychological path with a professionnal can be an efficient and wonderful adventure, that can dissolve some underlying causes of anxiety that you didn't even figure to be possible, with later positive impact on your sexual life and EQ (that's precisely what happened to me).

Good luck, and stay strong,

G

I have watched this thread and become fascinated with it because I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. I knew something was fishy and I knew we'd see an other man become a victim of this stupid, terrible idea.

Gabriel, stop promoting this cream. Do not make another post about how much you love it. If it has saved your sex life, great. Now go away and f*ck into the sunset.  There are several men on Just Answer that have had conversations with real doctors about how this weakened their penises. And these doctors say it should never be used on the penis. Go look it up.

THE MANUFACTURER OF THIS CREAM STATES NOT TO USE IT ON THE GENITALS. What more do you need?

There are a few men (possibly more that haven't sounded off) on here that have said this weakened their erections.

Any mention of Hirudoid needs to be banned from this site. Now.

Hawk, do you want this on your conscience? Is it worth it for the sake of your beloved forum to allow Gabriel to keep shouting the glories of this cream when it seems NOBODY ELSE has benefited from it and that some men have been permanently harmed???

Shut this down now. Enough is enough.

There are a few things here that need to be clarified:

- I want to reiterate that hirudoid is not a potent cream, it is a light anti-inflammatory cream used for varicose veins. It does not break down healthy tissue

- People are free to try it out if they wish, some people report feeling better after using it, others do not

- This cream targets the skin and it is highly unlikely that it reaches the actual corpus

- Since it targets the skin, it is advised not to use it on sensitive skin, i.e. around the eyes or genitals because it might cause skin irritation, not because it breaks down your penis.

- Neither Gabriel nor I am promoting the cream or singing its praise, we are simply pointing out how far particularly moochalaki and steen go in terms of wanting to ban this cream and accusing the forum moderators of 'hiding' the harmful effects of this over-the-counter cream.

- We cannot ban the discussion of different treatments on this forum. The whole premise of this forum IS to discuss various treatments and share information and insights.

Forgen and Steen have been harmed. Why isn't that enough?

Hirudoid goes to the dermis later.

"Scientific studies have shown that the MPS in Hirudoid penetrates to the dermis layer in effective concentrations to heal bruises fast."

https://hirudoid.com.sg/hirudoid/

This is not some harmless cream like a superficial moisturizer. It goes down deep and gets your to blood vessels. It is a blood thinner and should not be mixed with pentoxide, cialis and any other blood manipulation drugs or supplements.

No one should use it. Doctors and the manufacturer state not to use it .

Why do you insist on defending it, Curve? If one guy has his dick messed up for life why isn't that enough to say DONT USE IT GUYS? But now we have multiple men claiming they have problems because of it. Why would men on here and Just Answer make this up? There are enough testimonials not to declare this UNSAFE.

And why has the never shy Neo gone missing? Who made a video saying this stuff is great -his second to last video?

Besides Gabriel and the OP (who disappeared after 1 week of posts) that has "rubbed it all over including the glans " has benefitted?

Forgen,Sanabo, Steen, and a few others have talked about negative effects. That should be enough.

Oh yeah and ummmm DOCTORS and the MANUFACTURER SAY NOT TO USE IT!

Stop defending and promoting this NOT MEANT FOR THE PENIS cream.

Ban any mention of this cream now please, Hawk. Something is rotten in Denmark.

And Gabriel is absolutely singing it's praises. And he is the only one. NOBODY ELSE sees any benefit. But several state harm.

And you are absolutely defending it for some unknown reason.

Do me a favor - call 3 doctors, 3 pharmacists  and and contact the manufacturer and then come back here and tell us if they think this should go on your dick.

random semi-related update:
I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE IT but if you have I think you'll be fine. The cream, well, honestly and worryingly it probably made it slightly worse but I've stopped using it and the sensation is coming back to it's previous level which was slightly better; the scar tissue or plaque does basically make it much harder to feel anything given that the sensory nerves as I'm sure ya'll know are behind it.

Quote from: steen on August 31, 2022, 10:12:04 PM
Hello everyone im quite new to this forum. I recently bought the hirudoid forte gel 4,45mg..

I only tried it once two days ago, and my erections are so soft now my penis is extremely elastic which i at first thought was a good sign, but my erections are super soft i am not sure whats going on down there, am a bit worried..
Applied it to the glans and everywhere on my penis

Same thing.

FlatteningTheCurve,

Thanks man for clarifying the sky a little here, because it is clearly getting cloudy...

Moochalaki, Ballasto, I've been on this forum for a long time now, relentlessly experimenting things and reporting in the most methodolical way I could in order to help a maximum of our friends. Go read my few but very thorough topics. I do have the pride to think that they are worth providing me a degree of trustworthiness that trumps a few alarmed, unexperimented, anxiety-intense and offensives posts around a cream that very likely does absolutely nothing to the integrity of your penis.

Now, if you don't want to try it, don't; anyway it does seem like it works for small number of us, maybe due to an unknown special characteristic of our condition (I know for instance that I am among the very few here for whom the pain never went away after 2+ years). But once again, and for the last time, if I haden't try 1000 unexpected things to counter this hellish disease, including this cream, I would still be in a terrible physical and mental state here. Food for thought.

May you find something that works for you too.

All the best,

G

Ok, Gabriel. So what do you say to Steen, Forgen, Sanabo, Unsureincognito, healthy consumption, and graggaxy who have had varying negative experiences (from sensation reduction to soft erections) then?

Why are there several Just Answer discussions with doctors where men are saying they have permanent damage and the doctors tell them that the cream could have destroyed the tissues?

What I think is the case here is that men that only apply to the shaft are ok. Men that apply to the glans seem to be the ones that have the worst reactions.

But you are pretty much the only guy that says it works well. Neo and Zuckermann fell off the face of the Earth aftr promoting it so it is suspect that they had positive experiences. Maybe they ruined their dicks and can't bear to show their faces.

Most people say it did nothing or that it caused some degree of harm. Very few people besides you sing its praises.

I don't believe you for a second that your experience is true. And I think with the number of men that have bad experiences that if you have any decency you will consider yourself lucky (again, if you are telling the truth at all) and not promote this anymore so that this thread will disappear down the list and newbies won't even see it.

Enjoy your relief (if real) and let this topic fade away.

This cream is too much of a risk for anyone to take. That is plain to see.

Please, stop promoting this.

There is no way an OTC cream damaged the tissue in your penis. Dr Trost doesn't even believe a tablet could have any effect on peyronies.

The user above who stated "I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE I" - This sounds like a psychological issue

Neo has been less active on the forum and youtube for a while, this isn't related to his hirudoid post.

Be open to the fact that, you guys may be overthinking it, suffering from anxiety, or your condition is simply worsening over time (very common).

Any therapy here which has been tried by members, but not researched, is to be taken at their own risk. Most common treatments which have been studied are: VED, traction, cialis daily, Trental - stick to them (at your own risk).

J

JJ,

Are you a doctor? Do you work for the manufacturer? Are you a psychiatrist? Have you used the product ALL OVER your penis including the glans?

Because if you are not any of the above then you have absolutely no evidence/grounds to refute:

• the bad experiences of several men on this forum and elsewhere on the internet
• the manufacturer's statement that this should not go on the penis
• that this is simply anxiety
• that this cream is a harmless OTC product akin to a topical moisturizer

This cream reaches the dermis. Nearly any other cream mentioned on this site besides DSMO is a topical agent meaning it only gets into the top layer of your skin. Reaching the dermis means it goes deep into the tissue and accesses blood vessels. This cream is designed to dissolve the collagen in scars and to take action on blood vessels.

Here is a direct quote from the manufacturer when I asked about the safety of this product:

In addition, clinical experience has shown an effect of MPS on hydration and a loosening or softening on scar tissue. A clinical study applying Hirudoid in hypertrophic scars and keloids improved the appearance of these scars specifically their hardness and elevation compared to placebo (Shimzu 1974).  When applied on surgically treated keloids there was an improvement in wound healing and scar formation (Larsson 1986). Another study found an association between accumulation of hyaluronic acid (a different mucopolysaccharide to that of Hirudoid), and decreased collagen in the Achilles tendon of rabbits, indicating a collagenolytic activity. I was not able to find specific information on the activity of MPS, but given the clinical effect on scars, it is likely that Hirudoid is able to break down collagen as well.

Here is a direct quote from a doctor on Just Answer:

it tends to dissolve the excess collagen but the risk is that it reduces the structural integrity of the ligaments and connective tissue

Here is what the manufacturer says about use on the genitals and mucous membrane (glans):

SHOULD NOT BE USED on: Sensitive areas of skin, such as near the eyes, mouth or genital areas.
Mucous membranes, such as inside the mouth or nose.

So, do you think you are more qualified then all those resources?

Also, why isn't it available AT ALL in the US?

So, if you  are so confident it's harmless why don't you order some. rub it all over yourself and then come back and tell us how you're doing.

Until then, can you please stop discrediting and disrespecting people that actually have used it and are reporting back that it isn't safe? And also, discrediting and disrespecting the authoritative resources that are far more qualified then you - and just about everyone here - to speak on the potential dangerous effects it may have on a man?

Quote from: jj21 on September 13, 2022, 04:46:45 AM
There is no way an OTC cream damaged the tissue in your penis. Dr Trost doesn't even believe a tablet could have any effect on peyronies.

The user above who stated "I still have sensation in the penis and can feel pleasure from sex to a degree but I can't feel pleasure from masturbation as much, so yes DON'T USE I" - This sounds like a psychological issue

Neo has been less active on the forum and youtube for a while, this isn't related to his hirudoid post.

Be open to the fact that, you guys may be overthinking it, suffering from anxiety, or your condition is simply worsening over time (very common).

Any therapy here which has been tried by members, but not researched, is to be taken at their own risk. Most common treatments which have been studied are: VED, traction, cialis daily, Trental - stick to them (at your own risk).

J

Ridiculous comment. I had hard erections just before applying the gel, the next morning my flaccid was like rubber and still is and my erections are soft. A condition doesn't just worsen that much over night.
I have no issues with my mental health. Maybe Hirudoid interacted with Cialis or citrulline or whatever supplement am taking but its clear that this has done significant damage.
I find hope that people have seen improvements over time.

Stay away from Hirudoid!

I'm certain a doctor will tell you the same thing, that it's unlikely hirudoid will have any effect on peyronies, especially overnight.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that the guy who suffered ED from applying hirudoid once, may benefit from being open to the fact that the ED, may be psychological.

Hoping your condition improves nonetheless.

J

Quote from: jj21 on September 14, 2022, 06:47:18 AM
I'm certain a doctor will tell you the same thing, that it's unlikely hirudoid will have any effect on peyronies, especially overnight.

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that the guy who suffered Erectile Dysfunction from applying hirudoid once, may benefit from being open to the fact that the Erectile Dysfunction, may be psychological.

Hoping your condition improves nonetheless.

J

Youre talking like a doctor is our god given authority and has all the facts. Which doctor is truly qualified to evaluate such a specific matter where they have no prior cases and no knowledge on what this particular gel can do alone or in combinations with cialis for example?

My penis is reduced to lose skin immediately after applying gel, of course a doctor would tell me its just psyclogical, its must easier than for his ego do admit that he just doesnt know and even if he did theres nothing he could do anyway. My urologist even encouraged me to use this gel after i took it to his office and showed it to him.

@Steen

I know it's easier said than done but you need to find a doc to perfrom an erected ultrasound to confirm 100% wether something is wrong or if serious damage has been done.

Nothing will get better by complaining in this thread daily. Try to get this done and then update us with the results.

Hi everyone,

I am Forgen. Hawk banned me because I reported the exact same effects Steen is now reporting about one year ago.

What happened to me was real. It was not psychological and, although I have seen some improvements, I am not back to normal.

If I was not discredited, maligned and kicked off of this site then Steen wouldn't be writing you about this today.

I tried to warn everyone because I did not want anyone else to have to go through what I experienced.

If you delete me or kick me out because you don't like the fact that I am telling the truth then you are all choosing to allow men to get hurt.

Leave this post for others to see, please. Do the right thing.

What does anyone have to gain by saying don't use this? Why would I care so much if someone chose to use a harmless cream? It makes no sense for me or anyone else to come on here and say no this cream is dangerous.

This cream can cause you serious harm. Trust me. It's the truth.

If you ban me administrators, then you are guilty in the future suffering of other men.

*correction for previous post

It makes no sense for me to come one here and say no don't use it, it is dangerous just to stir things up. If it were a miracle cream for pain like Gabriel says it is I would fully support it.

But it isn't and it will hurt.

Those that tried it and didn't get hurt probably only applied to the shaft and you dodged a bullet.

DO NOT USE HIRUDOID!

It could be possible that you guys have been suffering from vascular issues and thus, the cream has had a pronounced effect on your condition.

It may be a good idea to see a vascular surgeon about this.


J

It is unbelievable that those guys are still insisting on this issue. Come on? This thread is not serious anymore.
It is a banned-fakes/self-righteous-suspicious-newbies paradise. They keep bashing reputed veterans users over and over, arguing that they vanished in guilty and sorrow because of this cream. It is so blatantly trolling that is starting to becoming a meme here.
Anyway, I've used plenty of tubes of this product (both gel and cream) and it did nothing for me. Perhaps it helped with superficial pain, perhaps not. But definitely it didn't do anything wrong. But I obviously would choose to trust on Gabriel, a serious user with amazing posts for quite a long time rather than those newbie trolls. But everybody is free to read all points of view and make your own mind. This is the alternative treatment tab, after all. No promises or certainties here. Be an adult and do anything at your own risk.
In conclusion, I recommend this thread to be permanently closed, if possible. Nothing new will come out from this discussion. Those who like will still using. Those that don't will keep bashing it over and over.
God Bless.

Hey Winter,

Long time since we've spoken. Since you are maybe one of 4-5 advocates (maybe you're all the same guy for all we know) of this NOT DOCTOR APPROVED, NOT MANUFACTURER APPROVED, NOT FDA APPROVED, non-penis cream, I have a question for you:

How come anyone that reports a negative effect is considered a troll?

Maybe I should consider you and Gabriel trolls. That seems fair doesn't it?

You seem to like dismissing anyone with an opinion/experience contrary to the one you prefer as a troll. Why is that?

Do you think me, Steen and the few other guys here and the other guys in other places around the internet are all making up these negative reactions because its fun for us?

That's ridiculous. I am not a troll. Steen isn't a troll. We've spoken, we are real, honest men, and we are trying to help each other in our recoveries.

If you like Hirudoid, rub it up and down your dick for days, but please stop calling men that have been badly affected by this cream trolls. It's insulting and kind of suspicious, frankly.

There should be the freedom to report experiences and express opinions here without the fear of being dismissed, labeled a lying rabble-rouser, or banned.

Please, stop calling us trolls and be respectful of our experiences, our research and our opinions.

And also Winter, instead of calling us trolls, maybe you could be supportive and kind and say "man, that sucks, I hope you guys get better. I wonder why that happened to you? Maybe I got lucky. Maybe applying to the glans increases the risk of a bad reaction. Get well, soon, man!"

Maybe you could be open to the fact that this cream THAT NO MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDS for this disease caused several men to have varying degrees of bad reactions. Maybe it interacted with cialis or pentox or other things. Don't you think that is possible?

This should be a place people come for support and acceptance. We should be able to report our experiences - good or bad - without being attacked or belittled.

So thanks, for calling me and others trolls simply because you don't like what we have to say. Thanks for dismissing my experience and calling me a liar.

Real nice of you. Class act.

And JJ,

I was rock hard before using Hirudoid. Soft immediately after. Same for Steen.

So, no, we did not have vascular issues. The cream caused our problem. End of story.

This discussion is going nowhere, therefore I will lock it.

Hirudoid cream is for superficial thrombophlebitis. This is swelling or redness due to blood clots and is NOT to be used on areas of sensitive skin (I think genitals would fall into this category). And blood clots have NOTHING to do with Peyronies Disease. If you disagree with this, then you don't understand the cause and effect of Peyronies Disease.