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Title: VED usage general questions
Post by: danh on December 18, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
  I just got my ved yesterday,  tried using it this morning.  Having a little trouble with getting it sealed at the base. I really have to press firmly against my base to keep a vacuum. Is this common? Also the smaller tube seems way to constrictive. I want to follow the protocol, but don't want to force anything. So I just used the "b" tube.  I'm not big by any means, but the "a" cylinder seems way too small, when semi erect. Don't know. Maybe someone can give me suggestions on the small cylinder. There is a straightening effect after using, but the bend seems to come back pretty quickly. Is this common?  I'm not on any pentox yet, but hope to be soon. So, How can I get a better seal at the base?  Do you really have to start with the small cylinder.  Thanks, danh
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: jackp on December 18, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
danh

For the seal a lot of men trim or shave the pubic hair around the penis. That worked for me.

As for the other question send Old Man a PM he is the expert.

Jackp
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Hightemp on December 29, 2009, 02:07:24 PM
Is it necessary to use both sizing rings when using the "A" cylinder?
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: cowboyfood on December 29, 2009, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: Hightemp on December 29, 2009, 02:07:24 PM
Is it necessary to use both sizing rings when using the "A" cylinder?

Good question, and I don't know.  I have used only the larger of the two rings that came with my ved. 

I don't think it's necessary to use any particular ring, just the one allows your penis to fit inside the VED and create the appropriate "seal" with your abdomen.

CF
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Hightemp on December 29, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
Perhaps I was putting too much thought into the process.

My reasoning was that with only the larger of the two rings installed, there is a visible gap between cylinders since they do not come into tight contact with the ring. I could see how skin could be pulled between the cylinders, thus causing some discomfort. When the smaller ring is added, the gaps are sealed and the interior diameter of the ring is almost an exact match to that of the "A" cylinder. I just assumed that was by design.  

Anyway, good news as I was having difficulty getting all the way into the "A" Cylinder. The seal seemed to be made more around my shaft than around the base.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: danh on December 29, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
I was having some trouble figuring it out, then old man told me to use both seals. Seems like you put the smaller seal into the larger. Works very good for me and holds the small cylinder tight inside the others. I'm just starting out and that is what works for me.  danh
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on December 29, 2009, 03:39:10 PM
Hightemp:

Yes, you should use both sizing inserts when using the A cylinder, unless your size just precludes the shaft/head from entering the opening. The smaller insert fills the space between the mouth of the A and B cylinder so that the skin of the shaft does not get pulled into the gap causing irritation.

So, as Cowboyfood suggests, practice with getting used to the procedure before embarking on the first week of the protocol. As the old saying goes, practice should make perfection. So, experiment with it until you get the hang of the procedure.

Note to all VED users:

The question has been asked several times about whether or not to trim the pubic hair or shave it. I found that shaving sufficiently wide enough around the base of the shaft provides a much better sealing surface when using the VED. Of course, one must continue to shave it on a regular basis as the hair grows back.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Hightemp on January 10, 2010, 01:43:30 PM
I'm looking for feedback from those who have more experience with a 3 cylinder system than do I.

I just finished a session using the A cylinder. During the session, I felt no pain, or discomfort other than the normal "pinching" sensation of the skin nearest my scrotum which I assume is normal given that on one side of the sizing ring there is a vacuum and on the other there is none. Anyway, I seemed to get a very good stretch this session, but was a bit surprised and I must admit concerned by the appearance of my penis when the session was complete. The head of my penis had an obvious ring about half way up. I attributed this to the portion of my penis that does not make contact with the A cylinder. Also, on the base of my shaft, I noticed another ring of skin that appeared to be enlarged. It was obviously due to the loose skin in the area where it makes the transition from penis to scrotum. I use the term enlarged instead of swollen because I do not think I caused any trauma, but it was only due to the application of vacuum. What was obvious was that some of my skin is being pulled into the gap between the A / B and C cylinders. I am using both sizing rings and lots of lube. My third and final observation was that the portion of my penis that was in the cylinder and subject to vacuum was much darker than the portion that remained outside the device. It is not red or blue like a bruise, but more like a good dark tan. Is it because of the increase blood volume in that portion of my penis? I have no pain and no apparent bruising, but I surely do not want to cause any complications.

As a side note, the entire session lasted about 15 minutes. I have the battery operated pump, so I pump for a 2 count, then hold it for approximately 6 to 10 seconds, then release the vacuum. I wait about 15 to 20 seconds, then repeat.

Are all of these things normal, or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on January 10, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
hightemp:

You did not mention in your post whether or not you have trimmed and shaved the pubic hair around the base of your shaft. It is very necessary that you do to provide a better sealing surface and help prevent the scrotum skin from being pulled into the mouth of the cylinder(s) while pumping. Hair that is only trimmed and not shaved can and will cause a loss of vacuum and sealing ability. Also, when using the small A cylinder you definitely need to use both the small and large sizing insert. The small insert fills the gap between the A and B cylinders when using all three, etc. Once you move into the B cylinder phase of the protocol, you can either use both inserts or only the large one based on how the vacuum applies to your shaft.

I find that holding the vacuum up after pumping for more than just a few seconds can in some cases cause different problems. It may cause the head portion to show redness or a "ring" as you state or other signs of redness, etc. Suggest you try this: pump only enough vacuum to get the blood flow started, hold pumping for a few seconds, then apply a bit more vacuum until you are comfortable with the pressure, then hold it for about a count of 5, then release while holding the VED firmly against your pubic area to prevent losing the seal, etc. Wait only for a few seconds and repeat the pumping cycles stated until you have finished the time you elect to do them.

Now about the color of your penis after a therapy session - every penis takes on a different color while in the VED under vacuum, after the vacuum is released and after you withdraw from the cylinders. You should not see much an indentation or raising of the skin at any point on the head or shaft of your penis. If these appear, you should try to discover the cause and eliminate what is causing them. Any discoloration, increase of size of the penis and/or other noticeable differences from before doing the therapy should disappear after a reasonable period of time. Should any of these conditions last for a long period of time, by all means try to find out the cause and eliminate what is causing them, etc.

Keep up the good work and if you have question at any time, please free to ask for answers, and we will be glad to help.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on January 13, 2010, 02:41:17 AM
Hey,

For practice, can you use the VED and gain an erection without using the lubricant. I have tried a couple of times today (First time using it today) and it seems the penis sticks to the bottom of the cylinder and folds over slightly as it inches forward with the pressure applied. I just want to get used to it a little before I use lubricant up and actually start the protocol.

Bart
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Tim468 on January 13, 2010, 10:02:25 AM
Bart, I have had that happen. It is similar IMO to holding the penis in the hand and folding it at the bent place to see if one can unbend it. It doesn't really work, and it particularly does not work in the same way that the VED is meant to help (as recommended here at least - I am not talking about penis enlargement sites).

My thought is why bother to wait? I'd just get going with the protocol that is most likely to work.

Tim
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on January 13, 2010, 11:00:56 AM
bart15:

Just read your post about trying to use the VED without lubricant. I strongly urge you to never try using the VED without lubricant at any time. First thing that will happen to your penis is that it will definitely stick to the cylinder walls and not slide in as it is supposed to do. In addition, there is a serious risk of causing damage to the skin leading to swelling of your penis tissue. If this happens, you must cease using the VED and let any damage heal before proceeding with VED usage. There are other factors that enter into the protocol as well, so be forewarned not to use the VED without sufficient lubricant or you will see negative results.

So, bottom line, review the protocol again, use plenty of lubricant at all times whether practicing getting erections for going for the exercise cycles. My experience with VED usage is quite extensive and I know from my use that it is best to use the lubricant.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: nemo on January 13, 2010, 02:11:38 PM
Old Man,

I still use the pump occasionally just to keep good blood flow going.   I pump up to full, 100% erection and hold for 1 minute.  I do this five times in a row, with a minute or so in between for rest. 

Is that a decent length of time?  I'm just not comfortable leaving a full pump for several minutes at a time - that kind of scares me.

Your advice is appreciated.

Nemo
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on January 13, 2010, 03:50:29 PM
nemo:

You are right, one does not want to leave the penis pumped for very long periods of time. Some sources, even doctors, recommend leaving it pumped up and held for extended periods. But, in my 15 years experience with VED therapy, that just is not recommended by me. Trail and error on my part has taught me many lessons with VED therapy.

Overextending the time ones penis is held under vacuum can and will cause further damage. Extreme caution is to be practiced at all times to prevent overpumping and holding the pressure too long.

So, you are doing what is right as far as I am concerned. So keep up the maintenance practice and you will not lose any benefits gained from the VED therapy. I would suggest that you do the maintenace schedule on at least a weekly basis if not more time permitting.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: danh on January 13, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
Nemo, or anyone,
    When you say full, 100 % erection does that mean really hard or just kinda plump and bigger? And is this 1 minute cycle after the 26 week protocol?  I'm on week four of the the 26 week schedule and I really don't get full, 100% erections from the ved, if you know what I mean. I do get somewhat fuller, but nothing like 100 %.  Any thoughts on this? Thanks, danh
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on January 13, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
danh:

Have patience with the VED therapy. Success to fuller erections does not come overnight. When you get into the larger cylinders, your erections will become fuller. However, if you have venous leakage, the erections may or may not stay up. In that case, you must use the retainer rings to hold up a full erection.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Iceman on January 13, 2010, 07:04:37 PM
I went away on vacation for 3 weeks and didnt take the pump with me for fear of explaining this instrument to curious customs officials PLUS the horror of seeing it on the Xray monitor is just too much to handle - so the result was loss of length and increased curvature - i reckon by not using the VED for 3 wks has put me back a bit . The conclusion is  the the VED does work ( at least for me) - I am now back on it and pumping merrily away.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: chiguy on January 13, 2010, 07:44:02 PM
Other forum members have posted the same problem with the ved. I know Comebackid mentioned something similar about how he stopped the ved for a little while and he lost some of the gains he made.

Dr. Levine has said with fastsize, as long as it is used for 6 months, no one lost any of the progress they made. I don't advocate one or the other, as it is personal preference, but that's why I chose fastsize over the ved when I discussed with him.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: jackp on January 13, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
Iceman

When I was in the hospital for 10 days in 2008, I was off the VED for over 2 weeks. I thought I have lost all I worked for. Started back and within a week I was back to when I went in the hospital.

Jackp
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Iceman on January 13, 2010, 09:50:03 PM
whats fastsize??
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: chiguy on January 13, 2010, 10:35:13 PM
Fastsize is a traction device. It works by providing a constant stretch to your penis in a flaccid state. This allows the penis to heal scar tissue and build new tissue. You add bars to the device every two weeks and eventually the point is to straighten out your curve. If you google fastsize, the website will pop up. It was normally used as a method of building penis size, but several studies and one conducted by Dr. Levine showed that it could reduce curvature by up to 50%. Some people have claimed it virtually eliminated their curvature.

The device isn't that bad. It takes a few days to get used to. I've been using it for a week now and have done 35 hours. In Dr. Levine's study, every person who used the device had some curvature reduction over a 6 month period. There are no side effects if you use the device correctly. It is also not expensive. The Peyronie's package costs about $240 with the discount code (LEVINE).

The catch is that for the best results, you must wear the device for 6-8 hours per day (or averaged over a week). Those who wore the device for only 2-4 hours per day did experience curve reduction and length/girth gain, but every study has shown that the more you wear the device, the better your outcome.

Dr. Levine has patients that has completely reduced their curves (not included in the study) and have built more than 2 inches in length (after the study as well). I have relatively mild curvature and wanted to try this method first. I have noticed a fuller erection even though I didn't have erection problems to begin with. This is only after one week, but I have been consistent with the device. Fortunately, I have the time now to devote to use.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Iceman on January 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
how do you wear it during the day etc - i mean what about work - how do you make it work - can you use it at night in front of the tv - how would this be feasible??????

Also whats the difference between fastsize usage and VED?
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on January 15, 2010, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: Iceman on January 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
how do you wear it during the day etc - i mean what about work - how do you make it work - can you use it at night in front of the tv - how would this be feasible??????

Also whats the difference between fastsize usage and VED?

Hey,

The difference between VED and FastSize is the VED causes an "artifical" erection by pulling blood into and engorging the penis. FastSize is a traction device, you wear it under your clothes and it provides slight tension onto your penis which is supposed to increase your penis size and hopefully improve your curvature. If you want you can private message me and I will send you Dr. Levine's pilot study using the traction device in his patients. As stated by chiguy, a big difference in usage between the two is time commitment each day; traction you should be aiming for around 5-8 hours a day according to the study while VED you can finish a session in about 30 minutes.

Thus the device you choose largely does depend on your ability to commit the time to the specific device, and if you cannot find the time to wear the traction device for the target period than you should go with the VED probably. You can wear it underneath your pants at night while watching tv BUT YOU CANNOT WEAR IT OVERNIGHT WHILE SLEEPING. You are supposed to take it off every 2 hours for 15 minutes to give your penis rest and allow normal blood flow to return, which you obviously cannot do while you are sleeping (and this would also hinder nocturnal erections, I cannot even imagine but this would be definitely bad).

On a side note, I am planning on doing both. I am studying at home so I have the time to use the traction device, and the VED is honestly very little time commitment per day. However, be prepared for a long haul because both have 6 month protocols, and often people use them much longer (And do maintenance as Old Man stated).
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on January 15, 2010, 01:33:36 AM
I would also like to say that I did my first VED session with the A tube today and it was awesome to see a straight erection, even if it was in a "cast" haha  :D. I wanted to ask two things about the A cylinder, since it was what most people were having problems with so I just want to confirm some things:

1). When you use both of the sizing inserts to prevent the scrotum from being pulled in, you put the smaller insert into the larger one correct? (As in you can assemble the big and small sizing insert outside of the cylinders, and then put the package of both inserts into the C cylinder at once).

2). When I was doing the A cylinder today, I was getting nice stretches that pressed against the cylinder. I was just wondering do you want to have your whole shaft inside the cylinder, or as much of it as possible? I guess it would make sense to, but at times I was able to get good seals in between the cycles without the whole shaft in (But still probably like 90-95% in). This was probably because the penis was already partially engorged between the cycles so is it ok if I wasn't totally in sometimes? I was still getting the seal, attaining a nice full erection, and since my curve is located mid shaft then should I not be worried about this base portion that I am missing?

Thanks,

Bart
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: despise on January 15, 2010, 02:48:30 AM
what our cycles? i was reading the protocol and don't understand what it means by cycles? stop and repeat perhaps?
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on January 15, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
despise:

Cycles means that part of the procedure where you pump up the pressure, hold for the desired period of time, release the pressure while maintaining the seal in the cylinders and let the penis deflate. Then you repeat this procedure over and over the desired period of session time.

Bart15:

Yes, when assembling the VED with all three cylinders, by all means if possible, use both inserts as stated to prevent the skin from being drawn in between the mouth of the three assembled cylinders. However, if the shaft is too large for this to happen comfortably, you may have to leave out the small insert and be extremely careful with the amount of vacuum used then. Yes, you can put both inserts together before placing them in the mouth of the cylinders or you can do it afterwards - your choice as it makes no difference.

Now about the amount of the shaft getting into the cylinders. If you use plenty of lube all the way down on your shaft and well up into the cylinders, it will slide into the A cylinder better. If you work slowly and maybe jockey the VED around around a bit on the shaft as you are pumping, it may cause more of the shaft to get into the A tube. Just practice using different approaches with getting the shaft into the cylinder as possible. With daily sessions, you will soon learn what works with this and what does not work. As the old saw says: practice makes perfect, applies with VED therapy. Lastly, if you can get the affected area of the shaft into the cylinder, you will still receive the desired benefit for that area, just try to get as much in as possible without pain or discomfort.

Remember, that VED therapy is designed for the long haul, do not get impatient and work the protocol as if it were dessert after a good steak dinner! (No pun intended-just advice!)

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on January 15, 2010, 05:31:30 PM
Old Man,

Thanks for the advice.

Bart
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: wayne999 on January 16, 2010, 10:29:57 PM
Hi Iceman

Can you take a look at the PM I sent you, thanks.


Quote from: Iceman on January 13, 2010, 07:04:37 PM
I went away on vacation for 3 weeks and didnt take the pump with me for fear of explaining this instrument to curious customs officials PLUS the horror of seeing it on the Xray monitor is just too much to handle - so the result was loss of length and increased curvature - i reckon by not using the VED for 3 wks has put me back a bit . The conclusion is  the the VED does work ( at least for me) - I am now back on it and pumping merrily away.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on February 08, 2010, 06:27:53 PM
Hello,

So I finished the first two weeks of the A protocol and now I am halfway through the first B week, and I was hoping to get some help. First off, I now realize what people meant when their scrotum gets sucked in with the bigger cylinders. This problem isn't too big I just hold my whole scrotum downwards while I pump.

My issue right now with the B tube is that it seems like I am getting a lot of blood into my penis, but a lot of it is going towards the bottom half of my penis. Like the bottom becomes erect fully and touches the walls of the cylinder, while the top half doesn't become fully erect. (I was expecting to get a longer stretch as well, to the point where the head of my penis came out of the foreskin, but it usually only comes out like a quarter of the way when I pump up...is this normal or should i be getting full length stretches too where the head gets large and comes out of the foreskin?).

Any insight would be great! Thanks,

Bart
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: cowboyfood on February 08, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
bart,

some quick observations based on your post...first, the way one's penis engorges in a ved may vary from one day compared to another based on several considerations, i.e. environmental conditions such as temperature, mental & physical stress, pressure applied, time between pumps, and so on.

In my ved usage, I noticed that sometimes my penis engorged "unevenly."  I took the board's advice which is to pump once or a few times and hold for several seconds (say 5 to 10) before pumping again...and, repeat this until you've engorged as much as you can for that particular cycle. 

For me in regards to the larger B and C tubes and depending on the above-mentioned considerations, I may not achieve "full engorgement" until I've completed several cycles, each cycle consisting of many pump and hold actions.

From what you stated in your post, you are VERY EARLY in your ved usage history, so I would not try to over-analyze the presentation your penis makes during a cycle. 

I'm in the middle of my second protocol and I consistently get great stretches...believe me, that has not always been the case, especially in the first half to two-thirds of the first protocol I did.

CF

Title: VED usage general questions
Post by: MikeSmith on February 08, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
I cannot get it to form a vacuum... i've clipped the hair but I really don't want to shave it (i only did this once and had razor bumps and ingrown hairs for months...and to me, it looks weird).   

The pump works... I tried it out on my hand and it works... just won't form a vaccum w/ the pubic area.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: jackp on February 08, 2010, 08:31:01 PM
Mike

What worked for me. Clip the hair around your penis real short, I bought an inexpensive clipper. Then make sure you use plenty of lube on the insert ring. You can use the Walmart brand lube it works just as well or better than the name brands.

Hope that helps. If not send Old Man a PM.

Jackp
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: jackp on February 08, 2010, 08:37:55 PM
Bart

I used the VED before the 3 cylinder protocol. If you will read my post on usage of the single cylinder I tell guys not to try to pump to a full erection for 5 to 10 minutes. This give the penis time to be come accustomed to pumping and as you relax the cycles become easier. Also never hold pressure over 20 seconds before releasing (do not break the seal) and then re-pumping.

It takes time to work but it does work.

Jackp
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: MikeSmith on February 09, 2010, 12:09:43 AM
Oh... I didn't think of using lube on the ring...good idea.   I noticed there are 2 rings (one bigger in diameter), but the pump only fits on 1 side, so I don't totally understand why there are 2 rings.  The smaller ring is the only one that fits.

The VED seems to be a little higher maintenance than fast size... i mean, cleaning up the lube (off the device and ones self) every time it is used is kind of annoying.  (I dont think I could live anywhere w/o a dishwasher) but I guess there's no choice w/ the lube issue.   Is there an easier way to clean it out?

Do you know what that cone shaped thing that comes in the kit is for? It looks like another top or something - it's beige plastic (not clear).  I am not sure what it does.   And all those clips & rubber band things are just for people with ED, right? 

Sorry for all the questions... I finally understand the meds, fast size, and now this is the final fronteir i think.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Bart2 on February 09, 2010, 12:44:07 AM
Hey guys,

Thanks for the responses. I have read the great posts on here and I do follow the protocol. I pump up 3 times, then hold for 3-5 seconds, and pump up another 3 times, hold for 5 seconds, and then I will often add another 1-3 pumps depending on how I feel the erection gets for the cycle...sometimes I get a little bit of a pain on the last pump or so but I do it slowly and as soon as I feel the pain I stop the pump and press the release valve very gently to let some pressure out.

CBF, I think I read one of your earlier posts and followed your recommendation on doing a couple of practice pumps to get a good stretch before you start the actual 10 cycles. I guess this period would also apply to Jack's recommendation on warming up and not going to max engorgement for 5 to 10 min.

Additionally, I keep the penis inside the whole time as you guys have mentioned. After doing the pumping earlier today I guess I get a full engorgement along the whole penis, but I do not feel like I get a long stretch in the B tube. It is as if the penis gets wider and somewhat longer, but there is still skin along the shaft that is folded (As in it could and would normally be stretched more in a full and normal erection). Do you guys get full lengthwise stretches in the B and C tubes?

Also, how long do you wait in between cycles when your penis just rests in the tubes? Thanks again,

Bart
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: ComeBacKid on February 09, 2010, 02:41:03 AM
Bart,

Yes what your describing is normal, most people fill the A tube completely, but with the B cylinder the bottom half of your penis will fill the tube, and the upper half might bend in it.  Just start pumping slow, and get really warmed up.  With your foreskin, after a few full erection pumps and decreases, take the tube off, and take the foreskin back, try to get it bunched up behind your head, then put the VED back on it and pump and this will cause the foreskin to go back.  Putting lube underneath it causes the foreskin to stay more forward on your head, but you need it to pump.  I find that its good to get a better stretch and make sure your head come sout of the foreskin while pumping.  Just start pumping slowly in the beginning and get good and warmed up.  

I'm doing the VED now, B cylinder everyday, I notice bigger and much thicker erections now, the VED I believe is very good for peyronies therapy.  Just go slowly and don't try to pump to fast, it will take a few pumps before the penis fills up more in the beginning.

I also pump about 20 times, holding each erection for at least 20 seconds.  You can tweak your own routine as you get more comfortable, but in the beginning for at least the first month or two, stick to the plan.

What I seem to see is the longer you hold the erection, the better stretch and size gain you get over the long run, but don't try to pump it up to much and overstretch it where it hurts or you might make it worse. Use common sense, it should never be uncomfortable or painful.

Comebackid
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Iceman on February 09, 2010, 04:04:34 AM
CBK - what would you say your improvement is with VED  - i mean can you give info on a before/after scenario....- I believe that it has helped me -
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Old Man on February 09, 2010, 07:54:23 AM
Mike:

When you say rings, are you talking about the sizing inserts or the rings that hold an erection? You should never use the erection rings for Peyronies Disease therapy. There should be two sizing rings, one that fits inside the larger one. Both should be used especially when using the small A cylinder. It is optional with the B and C cylinders based on how large your shaft is, etc.

Plenty of lube must be used to get a good tight seal around the shaft as it helps make the surface "sticky" and will adhere better to the shaft. The insert must be lubed to allow the shaft to slide in and out of the cylinder well.

Another note: if you have not been circumcised, you should retract the foreskin as you place the penis into the mouth of the cylinders. When using the small A cylinder, as you insert the head portion in, pump a bit of vacuum to help pull it on into the cylinder.

Practice doing different approaches to getting the shaft into the cylinder and you should see a better overall therapy.

Old Man
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: jackp on February 09, 2010, 11:27:53 AM
Mike

The cone shaped device is to put the constriction ring on the cylinder when you want to have sex. For sex you pump up to an erection and then place the ring at the base of  your penis. Do not use the constriction ring for peyronies exercise. When using the constriction ring for sex never ware it over 30 minutes.

The lube is easily cleaned in the sink with hot water and soap. No big deal for the benefits.

Jackp
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: cowboyfood on February 09, 2010, 01:09:53 PM
Iceman,

December 2008 I noticed my penis had a slight upward bent...a few weeks later I noticed a dent on the right/top side on my penis just below the glans.

In February 2009, I noticed that my penis had an upward bend of about 25-30 degrees from where my dent was located.

I did not notice any other right or left bend.  I did not notice any size loss.

I started supplements and VED in April 2009; In May I added Viagra and Pentox.

Over the following summer and into the fall I noticed two things:  My upward bend had disappeared, but the dent progressed to the other side, the left side.

Fast forward to today.  My dent is pretty much the same; more noticeable when partially erect compared to when I'm fully erect.  When I'm fully erect, you can visually see the dent on the right side (not too bad) and barely see it on the left side.  Overall, it's got some appearances of hourglass, but I might have to point it out for another to really notice it.

Still no sign of size loss.  Erections are good, night-time erections are frequent. 

In regards to erections, I went through a period from April to late fall/early winter of 2009 where my erectile quality was pretty poor w/o viagra.  Looking back, I think my mental state was a significant if not the only cause for the poor quality.  My mental state is better than ever right now.  I do not consider my symptoms to be much of a problem mentally or physically.  However, I had to go from severe depression to my current state over a period of about 9 months.  Depression/stress are erection killers.

I'm in the middle of my second VED protocol.  I still take daily doses of pentox and supplements.  I've really reduced my intake of viagra...only every other night...in fact, I haven't taken any for over a week and erection quality is good.  But, I plan on picking up my refill for viagra this week, but I'm happy to see that my erection quality has remained good w/o taking the every other night dosage of 25mg.

CF

Title: Re: Iceman
Post by: ComeBacKid on February 10, 2010, 03:47:17 AM
Iceman,

I've gained slight length, but mainly width, I lost more girth than anything with this terrible disease.  My penis was thinning.

Comebackid
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: ComeBacKid on February 10, 2010, 03:48:44 AM
Either trim the hair with the trimmer section of your electric razor, or put lube on top of the hair, and load up the black seal with lube when you put it on the cylinder, this will create a solid seal, at least it does for me.

Comebackid
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Tim468 on February 10, 2010, 02:39:05 PM
You can trim the hair off the base of the shaft and onto the lower abdominal wall easily with either a razor or an electric razor. Once the hair is trimmed a little bit it is easy to keep trimmed.

http://www.shavesmooth.com/details.htm#feminine  This is a 15 dollar electric razor that allows for very short cut and is very cheap.

Alternatives seem like more work. One can use something like vaseline to effect a seal around the base despite the irregularities from hair. Cleanup is much harder though.

Tim

Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Old Man on February 10, 2010, 05:03:02 PM
Dr. Tim:

Most of us use the Wal Mart Equate brand of personal lubricant. It is very cheap, is water based and cleans easily with soap and water with no sticky mess like Vasoline.

Old Man
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Tim468 on February 10, 2010, 07:58:22 PM
Old Man

Good point by you. I am not sure if mere lubricant can completely seal off when applied to a hairy surface - most of those using it still trim a bit. It was my experience that lubricants like that allowed for a break in the seal if hairs were caught up in the rim.

Tim
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Old Man on February 10, 2010, 10:20:53 PM
Sir Tim:

You are 100% right about the hair problem. That is one reason why I always highly recommend trimming of the pubic hair around the base of the shaft and then shaving it to provide a smooth surface. Hair inside the mouth of the cylinder will definitely cut down on a good seal or preclude it altogether.

You made a good point about not shaving immediately before using the VED therapy. If there is a micro cut anywhere down there, the vaccum will cause it to ooze blood and one does not want or need that to happen. Safety comes first with shaving around the base of the penis.

Trial and error by trying different approaches to getting a good tight seal is about the only way one can arrive at a satisfactory method. Hopefully those having trouble with this problem can find a solution soon.

Old Man
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: MikeSmith on February 11, 2010, 01:34:12 AM
Hi sorry for the delay.  I took a pic of the majority of the parts.  I am not sure what A,B,C,D do, but I don't think I am supposed to use them.  By reading the instructions, it sounds like they are ED related.  But I was just double checking.

Also, I wasn't sure why I had 2 black rings (E and F) bc the pump only fits on one side  (the E side), unless I'm doing something wrong.  The pic should come in below:

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2d1p6k9.jpg)
Title: Re:VED assembly
Post by: Old Man on February 11, 2010, 07:51:22 AM
Mike:

Your picture does not show the small and medium cylinders unless they are nested inside the large cylinder. The parts labeled A through D are to be used only when going for an erection. The rings should NEVER be used when doing the Peyronies Disease exercise cycles, as using them would cause a restriction in the blood flow and cause you much damage. So, DO NOT USE THEM FOR Peyronies Disease PROTOCOL!

The two black rings (E and D) are sizing inserts that go in the open of the cylinders when they are mated to the pump G. Make sure that the skinny black O-ring is in place on the pump end where it meets the cylinders. Hopefully, you do have the small and medium cylinders as they are the "starter" cylinders on the 26 week protocol. You can use the one cylinder VED for Peyronies Disease exercises, but you must use a different protocol which is posted in the VED board by JackP.  

The black sizing inserts should be lubed a bit to help with the seal when inserting them into the open of the cylinders when mated to the pump. The small one can be left out as you progress up to the large cylinder, but it will give you a better seal to use it with all three cylinders (that is if you have all three).

The A, B and C in your picture are retainer rings to be used when going for an erection when you have Peyronies Disease. The D is a tool for placing the ring(s) onto the cylinders when used for an erection. Be sure that you use lubrication on the end of the devise where the rings are placed on it. You simply pump up to an erection and then slide the ring(s) off onto the shaft as close to your body as possible. It helps to push the VED assy. firmly against your body when doing this. Again, do not use these rings while doing the Peyronies Disease therapy exercises.

Again, the E and F in the picture does not go in the cylinders as you have it shown. Both go into the open end of the cylinders after you have attached the cylinders on the pump. The cylinder will only go onto the pump one way, the other end has no attachling lugs, etc. So be careful how you assemble the VED. It really is simple once you try assembling it several times and using it.

Let me know if you have any further questions. We are all here to help in any way. Hope you can get the protocol going for you soon. Do practice a bit before embarking on the daily schedule. IOW, practice makes perfect in this case too. Caution: do not, repeat, do not overpump the pressure at any time while doing the exercise cycles!!!!

One last tip: use plenty of lube well up inside the cylinders and on your shaft when doing the exercises. Be careful not get any lube on scrotum or else it may get pulled up into the cylinder mouth when you pump up. You should have gotten one tube of lube with the package. You can use the Equate Personal Lubricant available from Wal Mart which is much cheaper than KY or other brand name lubricants.

Good luck to you and happy pumping!!!!

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Blade on March 21, 2010, 06:15:04 PM
Now entering my 3rd week of the 26 week 3 cylinder protocol. I throughly read many of the post here before starting. Thanks to Old Man, Angus, Comebackid and others I have not experienced any complications thus far.

I find that good lubrication and getting the pressure right is key. Four (4) to seven (7) pumps is enough for me. Have not  required more than that. I got good stretch with the A cylinder but had to remove the smaller black inner ring and just use the larger black one. After about 10 days I felt my unit was being choked at the base with the small ring. Still got the same good stretch with the larger black ring only.

Foreskin has not been an issue either. ( Thanks Comebackid )  Will see how it goes with B cylinder.

Blade
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Blade on April 17, 2010, 10:22:33 PM
Went through the medium (B) cylinder nicely. Added a little length back after going through 7 weeks of the 26 week 3 cylinder protocol. Erections are still good.

Just in case I had forgotten all the curves and turns of my penis the Large (C) cylinder reminded me. Unlike A and B cylinders, C is big and you can clearly see all when you pump up as there are no sides to keep it straight.
Had to add back the smaller black ring to keep my scrotum from being sucked into the cylinder.

As far as my psychological state and erections, I'm doing fine.

The VED is working well for me.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: LWillisjr on April 18, 2010, 08:58:06 AM
Blade,
Great to hear of your progress!!  Thanks for the update.
Title: Twice a day?
Post by: BrooksBro on April 28, 2010, 06:59:52 AM
I'd like to read comments from anyone that is doing twice-a-day pumping sessions with the 26-week protocol.  How's that working out?  Do you get in two sessions every day, or is it a as time allows sort of thing?  Is it possible that twice a day = 13 weeks, or going through the protocol twice in 26 weeks?
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on April 28, 2010, 10:03:42 AM
Brooksbro:

It makes no difference in the scheduled protocol for the 26 week course whether or not you do two sessions per day or just one.

The full 26 week course should be followed for the best results. However, if you elect to do two therapy sessions per day, you should reduce the time for each to about 15 and not more than 20 minutes. My experience with the VED therapy has taught me that 30 minutes per day is considered to be the maximum time overall for the therapy.

More than 30 minutes per day would probably put too much strain on the erectile tissue. This would counteract the benefits from the therapy in my opinion and based on my many years of VED usage as well as counseling with guys in my home town.  If you do two sessions, adjust the time of each to coincide with the maximum time, etc. i.e. 20 for one then 10 for the other as an example. I would recommend two 15 minute sessions for best results.

Old Man
Title: Protocol Clarification
Post by: Steve on April 28, 2010, 11:56:57 AM
Old Man,

I've got a question concerning the 26 week protocol:
As I remmeber it calls for pumping the vacuum and releasing it for 10 cycles each day(and I believe you've advocated a 'milking' action following the 10 cycles).  When I was doing this, it'd take probably 2-3 minutes to complete the 10 cycles.  I've read below where you're talking about 20-30 minutes total!

Maybe that's why I never saw any improvement when I went through the protocol, I'd pump the vacuum and then hold it for about 10 seconds ???  I know it doesn't take long to pump up the vacuum, so how long should the vacuum be held each cycle?

Maybe I'll get back on the protocol (again) and see what happens.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on April 28, 2010, 02:09:26 PM
Steve:

The 10 cycles was the original version of the 26 week protocol that came with the Augusta Somacorrect VED that was supposed to be for Peyronies Disease therapy. FDA did not approve it for VED therapy since there were no clinical trials that were validated for its use. They then marketed the Somaerect which was basically the same unit re badged so to speak. It did not include the 26 week protocol that was in the other VED package.

We adopted the 26 week protocol for use with the three cylinder Vitality OTC VED. The protocol was posted in the VED board by Angus after it was modified to include the footnotes. You are right that it says use 10 cycles of pump up, hold, release and repeat the cycle again. Perhaps we should modify that protocol to state that the time limit or number of cycles can be increased to suit individual needs. Will address this with Angus to get his opinion since he is the moderator for that board and published the VED protocol, etc.

In the meantime, I would strongly urge you to get back on the 26 week protocol. IMHO, you missed out on a good therapy if you only did the 2-3 minutes session and added the "milking action" I suggested to many on the forum. My suggestion is that you repeat the pumping cycles for at least 15 minutes each session. If you want to do two per, day modify each session so that 30 minutes total would be observed. Again, overpumping the pressure whether or not is with one or two sessions.

Hope this lends a better perspective of the protocol for you. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: BrooksBro on May 01, 2010, 05:30:56 AM
Oh yeah!  There is a HUGE difference between 10 cycles (taking less than 5 minutes) and 15-30 minutes of total time.  Thanks for clarifying that point.  I TOTALLY missed that in the protocol(s) and footnotes.  Perhaps I am too literal, 10 cycles means 10, not 9, and not 11.  Repeating the cycles for 15-30 minutes certainly should result in many more than 10 cycles.  Great information.
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: Old Man on May 01, 2010, 07:45:17 AM
Brooksbro:

It does pay to be literal sometimes. Sorry that we have not caught this misinformation in the protocol before. The longer period of time came about after many trials and errors by a lot of guys who were experimenting with varying times.

I need to address this with Angus who is the moderator of the VED board. Hopefully, we can get a better description in the footnotes for this time limit, etc.

So, for those who have been doing only the 10 cycles, you might want to modify your VED usage to include more time with varying amounts of vacuum and holding times.

Old Man
Title: Additional notes added to the VED protocol
Post by: Angus on May 01, 2010, 07:00:03 PM

   We added some text to the notes that go along with the VED protocol for Peyronies Disease. Everyone who is currently using the VED for Peyronies and those contemplating using it need to go to the Protocol pages on this VED forum and read up. The text (in red) has been added to make clearer the timeline to follow when using the VED. Suggestions and discussions in this forum by VED users allow us to understand better what needs to be in the instructions. For all those who use the VED for Peyronies and post results, questions or just discussions, know that you are appreciated for your input.

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,697.0.html     (3 cylinder medical VED)

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,696.0.html     (3 separate VED's)
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: YMENOW on May 02, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
The first week of starting the protocol, I was completing everything within 10 minutes and felt there was something wrong in the protocol.  I decided to pace myself with a clock so that i would do at least 10 cycles as recommended but still needed to do more cycles to at least do 15 minutes.  A 30 minute stretch was impossible.

I am into the 2d week and finding that I am getting hard morning erections and I am getting more confident and not worrying as much since I feel the VED is working for me.  I have a foreskin which seems to tug around the collar when retracted and feels very tight.  I am careful about not overpumping and I am taking it easy.  Is there any recommendations to alleviate the tightness?

ymn
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: cowboyfood on May 03, 2010, 11:29:31 AM
Quote from: YMENOW on May 02, 2010, 03:29:48 PM

I am into the 2d week

ymn

ymn,

I assuming you're using the A tube this week...maybe some of the tightness is due to the narrow diameter of the A tube. 

I think you'll find that some of the tightness will go away after you have spent many weeks working with the VED because you will get better at using the device.  I found this to be true in my case; especially when I used the A tube.

Also, I found that - in between cycles - if I "did not remove the tube from my penis" after "I released the negative pressure" then my stretches in the A tube were longer and not nearly as "tight."

I hope this helps.

CF
Title: Re: ved usage
Post by: YMENOW on May 03, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
 I have noticed that the glans seems to be elongating or stretching so I must be doing something right.  I was worried about that at first and I am happy to hear your side of the experience.  (I was removing my erection from the tube before but Old Man or Hawk set me straight on that.)  I thank you all for your input on this.






ymn
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: shrout on June 14, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
I have to say that my experience is exactly the opposite to everyone else here, or so it would seem.  I originally started off by putting lube on the rubber ring, but found that non-penile tissue was getting sucked in all round, and I couldn't get a decent vacuum. I didn't particularly want to shave my hair away so I tried it without any lube at all and found I got a much better seal.
I never use any lube now (except inside the cylinder, of course) and have no trouble getting a seal and a good vacuum, although the C tube can sometimes be a bit problematic. If any lube leaks out on to the ring from the inside I find the vacuum breaks down and I have to clean it off and start again.

Anyway that's my experience. Perhaps you could try my method as as an alternative Mike, if all else fails.   
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: hb on June 14, 2010, 02:57:44 PM
I always use a many times used Gilette Triple Blade Razor to get rid of the extra hair. Such as after using it a week on my face, I then keep it for use below. I never get cuts that way and the razor still works well enough.

Although, if you are up with the times, you could go get a body wax and have it all removed...
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: BrooksBro on June 20, 2010, 05:15:29 AM
I finally gave in and carefully shaved my penis with shave cream and a razor (not the electric shaver I use on my face).  Getting down to bare skin has been very helpful in maintaining vacuum.  Next time, I won't shave quite so far out onto the adjacent skin.  I was a little surprised to find so many web pages with detailed instructions on shaving the male pubic area, even from Gillette.

I apply lube to all the mating surfaces between the two sizer rings and the outer cylinder.  I think the greatest leak potential is where the ring contacts the skin, regardless of whether one or both rings are being used at the time.
Title: Re: Is there any way to use a VED w/o shaving all the hair off?
Post by: Old Man on June 20, 2010, 08:02:02 AM
BrooksBro:

Now you know why that shaving this area has been repeatedly recommended to get and maintain a good seal. Lubing the inside mouth of the cylinders along with lube on the sizing inserts just adds to the ability to get a better seal.

Shaving cream is being used by some guys as lubricant, but I strongly recommend against using this due to the chapping effect of some creams. The gel type are better than the foam types, but both can and will cause problems with repeated use IMHO.

Those guys using a VED that can be used under water (think that Tim uses one of these) are able to use shaving cream as a lube since there is enough water present to prevent problems, etc.

The above is just my personal opinion based on experiences with shaving cream reported to me by guys I worked with on the VED therapy.

Old Man
Title: Best way to shave pubic hair?
Post by: NamelessHero on July 26, 2010, 01:36:34 PM
What is the best way to totally remove all of your pubic hair? I do not like pubic hair anyways, especially as I sweat. I normally shave it with an electric razor, however, it is hard to get it really smooth. I do not want to use an ordinary razor with cream, that looks painful. Pubic hair is gnarly, tough crap, I cannot imagine shaving that with razor and cream.

Has anybody tried those female hair removing creams? Do they burn?

I also want to shave my balls. I cannot do that with an electric razor. Do these female creams burn?
Title: Re: Best way to shave pubic hair?
Post by: Tim468 on July 26, 2010, 01:59:33 PM
In my experience, shaving balls can lead to more of a sweaty feeling - the hair provides a buffer between adjacent skin on the legs and allows better circulation of air, and hence evaporative loss of heat and sweat.

There are several ways to do this - with either a very good electric shaver - best done when you are quite dry and NOT right after a shower or bath, or with a razor.

You can shave with a razor after soaking in a tub - the hair is softer and easier to cut. I shave from the shaft (where some hair grows onto it) towards the body, which is sort of "against the grain. This allows me, though, to decide how far up my abdominal wall to go. I tend to go about 1/4 to 1/2 inch up from the reflection point of the shaft to the body wall - this allows the VED to seat and seal easily without hair leading to a leak. One can do this on e the side , and can easily include the balls if desired. Simply pull them so there is some tension and shave gently in different directions to get it all. It's easy to do standing in a shower or lying in a tub.

Here is the Seiko Shaver (now actually made by someone else, I think)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00141DE48/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00141DE1G&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=096WNBG8JB0GF4VT6GKJ

DO NOT USE HAIR REMOVAL CREAMS _ THEY HURT!!!

Tim
Title: Re: Best way to shave pubic hair?
Post by: hb on July 26, 2010, 10:44:16 PM
I actually use a Gillette Custom Plus Pivot after I have used it on my face a few times. I have a really tough beard, used to shave twice a day when I was younger.

I don't use shaving cream on my public hair, instead use regular soap such as Irish Spring. This is after standing in the shower for at least 5 minutes. I do shave my balls with the razor, it is very time consuming but after doing it once, I shave them all the time now.

After awhile, it just becomes another habit forming thing for the morning.
Title: Re: Best way to shave pubic hair?
Post by: Old Man on July 27, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
Note to all:

One of the best ways to keep the pubic hair shaved without shaving all of it off including the scrotum is to just simply shave enough around the base of the shaft large enough to keep the hair out of the VED cylinder mouth.

This has worked best for me over the years since I, like Tim, hold to the belief that the scrotum hair keeps the sack from adhering itself to the groin area when one sweats down there. I don't like the sticky feeling it causes.

Just my 2 cents worth on the subject.

Old Man
Title: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: DannyOcean on July 28, 2010, 06:04:52 PM
So far when using the VED (it's been about two weeks now) I have one of two experiences.  The first is when I'm not at all "sexually aroused" in which case the VED does engorge the penis to some extent but at a much smaller size (and well before full erection size/firmness) starts to become uncomfortable.  The second situation is where I do start to become aroused (not from the VED but rather I start thinking sexual thoughts).  When that happens the penis ends up becoming a lot larger and more erect before I feel uncomfortable.  It's literally an inch or even two longer in the cylinder when I feel this way before I feel as I have to start pumping.

If the goal is engorging the penis with as much blood/oxygen as possible it would seem as if trying to get a full erection while using the VED would probably be the route to go.  However, my only thought counter to that was that I could also get an erection on my own (via fantasizing or masturbating) and so maybe I shouldn't try to use anything other than the VED to achieve my results.

I'm probably over-thinking this but if this is going to be something I'm going to use for 30 minutes a day I want to make sure that I'm doing it right. 
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Old Man on July 28, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
DannyOcean:

First of all, you do not necessarily need to do the VED protocol for 30 minutes at any session or on any day if using only one session. That time limit is what has worked best overall based on my experience and that of others. So, you can do less time with more cycles, or more time with less cycles by varying your holding time. IOW, if your holding time after pumping is longer you use less cycles and time, if your holding time after pumping up is less use more cycles with more time. This will balance out the overall VED protocol session each time. Bottom line with this is, you can decide which type of session you want to do and go for it that way.

Now, about erections when using the VED: It is best to try your best not to get a natural erection while doing the exercises. The pull of blood using the vacuum pressure is much greater than that when getting a natural erection. Also, you should never try to "push or pull" your shaft into the cylinders when erect, so try to avoid doing that. The object of the vacuum therapy is to "exercise" the erectile tissue with the vacuum pressure with pump up cycles rather than that of a natural erection for obvious reasons stated herein.

Old Man
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: DannyOcean on July 28, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
OK, that's helpful OldMan.  It's possible that it's just because I've only started using the VED but often I'll start to feel an uncomfortable pulling/pressure on the penis when it's flaccid and nowhere near the max length/size.  When this happens I typically do one of two things.  Stop increasing the pressure (and ultimately release the pressure).  Or start to think "stimulating thoughts" in which the natural erection mechanism kicks in and the uncomfortability lessens.

If this is just because I've only started with the VED that's fine but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong by not getting a full erection or full length/girth.  I will keep going and see what happens without trying to get a natural erection (which is sometimes hard of course, no pun intended  ;D
Title: Re: Best way to shave pubic hair?
Post by: Mike_O on August 02, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
Here are my comments on pubic hair removal:

I find the lack of hair to be a good thing when in daily VED therapy. Hair breaks the seal and makes clean-up more time consuming. Apparently this is also a style that is quite popular these days - therefore, not as strange as some might think.

Hair removing chemicals (depilatories) are sometimes effective but have a few disadvantages: possible skin damage (burning); chemicals require time to work; messy in the pubic area; more expensive than other options. I don't like depilatories.

Electric razors work OK on some body areas but, in my opinion, the pubic area is not one of them. The skin on the scrotum and penis is very thin and pliable making it difficult to get a flat surface for the head of the electric razor to press against. This skin can also get pushed into the head causing nicks and cuts.

Safety razor (as opposed to straight razor) works pretty well - better than one might think. Use a new blade and don't push down too hard. The multi-blade variety work nicely. Use shave cream or hair conditioner. The trick is figuring out how to tension the skin to get a flat surface. The assistance of a trusted partner is invaluable! Practice and experience will reduce the entire process to less than a couple of minutes in the shower.

Waxing - effective on thicker skinned areas, waxing can work well on the pubic area. Despite do-it-yourself kits, an experienced waxing person will make short work of the pubic area and will have the right stuff on hand to do the job. Prices are usually reasonable and the results last longer than shaving.

Longer lasting options - these include electrolysis and laser. A bit pricey compared to shaving but for many, well worth the expense - the advantage is no stubble, no lasting irritation and little or no maintenance. Laser is rapidly replacing electrolysis in most cases.

Hope my comments are helpful.

Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Mike_O on August 02, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
In my limited experience, VED therapy is not really a sexual experience - it is more like physical therapy. As usual, Old Man addressed the issues perfectly.
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Old Man on August 02, 2010, 05:38:03 PM
mo:

Since you are fairly new to the forum, you probably do not know that I have used three different models of VEDs and done therapy for Peyronies Disease for a very long time. In fact, for over 15 years now using the Old Osbon Classic three piece VED ( a pump, a connector hose and a separate cylinder), the Old Osbon Erecaid Esteem single cylinder two piece VED that made into a one piece unit when mated, and later, the Somaerect STF (predecessor to the Vitality OTC unit) VED. I have much experience in using all three different models.

The protocol for the one cylinder VED that is listed in the VED board section of the main forum was developed by me under the supervision of my personal uro. She and I worked very hard and spent much time and effort in perfecting the procedure that has worked great for me as well as others on and off the forum. So, I know what all three types of VEDs can and will do if used properly.

I do have a suggestion to add to your post relative shaving around the pubic area and that is: I have found through experience and that of others shaving down there that using a simple multiblade safety razor works best. You simply use any good grade of shaving cream or even the lubricant that comes with the VED when purchase. Just simply stretch the skin areas carefully like you would do when shaving your face of any other part of your body so that you won't knick any area(s). Getting a good tight seal does in most cases require a very clean hairwise area around the base of ones penis to get and hold a good tight seal for vacuum therapy. And, shaving this area clean and keeping it shaved clean is a must.

However, thanks for your input as this is always welcome in order that others may have the benefit of our experiences about Peyronies Disease as well as ED.

Old Man
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: DannyOcean on August 04, 2010, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: Old Man on July 28, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
Now, about erections when using the VED: It is best to try your best not to get a natural erection while doing the exercises. The pull of blood using the vacuum pressure is much greater than that when getting a natural erection. Also, you should never try to "push or pull" your shaft into the cylinders when erect, so try to avoid doing that. The object of the vacuum therapy is to "exercise" the erectile tissue with the vacuum pressure with pump up cycles rather than that of a natural erection for obvious reasons stated herein.

Old Man

So I've been trying this while trying not to get an erection and what I find is that it's still much uncomfortable when the penis is "smaller".  Is this natural when you are just starting out with the VED?  I can easily get my penis to become larger/more engorged by just thinking a sexual thought or two but if the goal is to have the engorgement (is that a word?) come from the VED and not to come naturally then it seems that is to be avoided.  So just to confirm, if I'm understanding correctly, the goal is to make the penis as engorged as possible within the VED cylinder without triggering engorgement through sexual fantasy and make sure to stop the pumping before there is a significant level of discomfort.  Is that right?
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Old Man on August 04, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
DannyOcean:

Yes, the object is to get all or as much of your shaft into the cylinder(s) without thinking sexual thoughts or manual manipulation prior to inserting the shaft into the cylinder(s). Based on ones size, it may or may not be possible to get all of it into the cylinder. If this occurs, try to keep the engorged size as low as possible to allow more of the shaft to get inside.

If there is a problem with getting the shaft into the mouth, at least when using the small sizing insert, one can get the head portion started in while pumping a slight amount of vacuum to help pull it on inside. Cautions must be exercised so as not to overpump the vacuum at any time when doing the exercise cycles.

Old Man
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: DannyOcean on August 05, 2010, 12:20:42 AM
Thanks Old Man as always.  I'm only using the large cylinder and probably should have made that clear when I posted the initial thread.  I don't have any significant bending, just two indentations (one major and one minor).  I may go to the three-cylinder protocol at some point but for now I'm happy with the large cylinder.

I can totally see why you wouldn't want to get a natural erection with the small or even medium-sized cylinder.  With the large cylinder it's just big enough that I could get a pretty good erection without the cylinder constricting me.  With a full erection it's a pretty tight fit at the base but there's a decent amount of room throughout the shaft. 

Anyway, I think I understand a bit more why having a natural erection wouldn't be a good thing.  My initial thought was that getting the penis as big as possible meant getting as much blood as possible into the penis and that that was a good thing.  However, I can see where perhaps it's best to just let the VED do its work.  After all, I could give myself erections all day by masturbating and no one has suggested that yet as a good cure for Peyronies. :)
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: BrooksBro on August 05, 2010, 05:41:35 AM
DO - wouldn't it be something if we could turn masturbating from causing blindness to curing peyronies?  ROFLOL

I am in an A-cylinder week.  Last night, I couldn't do my session because the mild erection resulting from applying the lube kept me from fitting into the cylinder.  I finally gave up and went to bed.


Quote from: DannyOcean on August 05, 2010, 12:20:42 AM
I can totally see why you wouldn't want to get a natural erection with the small or even medium-sized cylinder.  With the large cylinder it's just big enough that I could get a pretty good erection without the cylinder constricting me.  With a full erection it's a pretty tight fit at the base but there's a decent amount of room throughout the shaft. 

I can see where perhaps it's best to just let the VED do its work.  After all, I could give myself erections all day by masturbating and no one has suggested that yet as a good cure for Peyronies. :)
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Skjaldborg on August 05, 2010, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: BrooksBro on August 05, 2010, 05:41:35 AM
DO - wouldn't it be something if we could turn masturbating from causing blindness to curing peyronies?  ROFLOL


Oddly enough, this is sort of my strategy. My curvature isn't bad enough to warrant the time needed for VED (not yet anyway), so instead I make sure to "use it or lose it" just about every day. This includes quality time with the wife or, failing that, taking matters into my own hands, as it were.

The use of pentox last year and my on going "treatment regimen" have really helped soften the scar tissue to the point where the hourglassing has improved a tiny bit compared to when I first got the disease. The tissue feels more spongy and less rubbery and functioning wise I'm no different than where I was in my early 20's and that's what counts. A few dents here and there are tolerable.

I have to shave my palms every week though  ;D

-Skjald
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Old Man on August 05, 2010, 04:21:27 PM
Skjaald:

If you are really considering VED therapy for your Peyronies Disease, now is the time to do it before any other symptoms show up. Catching it early on is the best time for VED therapy. Just a word to the wise is what my grand dad always said to me.

Old Man
Title: VED usage general questions
Post by: Mel on August 13, 2010, 05:45:25 PM
I have just been diagnosed with Peyronies and will be getting a VED at the end of this month. I also recently received a stent and am on Plavix.
I was just wondering if anyone else has been on a blood thinner, and what affect that has had while using the VED.

Mel
Title: Re: VED and Brusing
Post by: luka-brasi on August 13, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
hi mel,

welcome.
a lot of guys here use pentox as a blood thinner and can see improvements.
i took it for almost a year when i decided to stop. it did nothing for me from what i can tell.

good luck and fine that you jumped on the ved train early.
i'm 4 years into this and i can't wait to get a ved now.

have a nice weekend and keep your head up.

luka
Title: Re: VED and Brusing
Post by: Old Man on August 13, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
mel:

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to learn that you have joined the Peyronies Disease club now. There are many guys, including myself, that have heart surgery and other surgeries that require to take blood thinners. You should have no problem with using a VED while taking blood thinners, if you us caution in the amount of vacuum that you use while doing the exercises.

We who use the VED for Peyronies Disease therapy recommend using the 26 week protocol for using a VED which is posted in the VED board shown on the home page of boards, topics and threads of the forum.

We are all here to help in any way, so feel free to ask any and all questions you may have concerning Peyronies Disease and its therapy/treatment. There is a world of information on this forum, so search it out for answers to your questions.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED and Brusing
Post by: Mel on August 13, 2010, 08:29:45 PM
Thanks for the replies and the welcome. I sure am glad I found this forum. It wasn`t long ago that I didn`t even know what Peyronies diesease was, but with this web site and a few others I`m getting educated.

Thanks again

Mel
Title: Re: Another beginner's question: Should you try for an erection when using a VED?
Post by: Skjaldborg on August 17, 2010, 04:40:28 PM
Old Man,

Thanks for the encouragement and the advice. I am currently stable and have noticed no negative physical changes since getting injured except for the initial pain, which went away after using pentox. I understand that even though I got this due to an injury, further symptoms can sometimes sneak up on you. That being said, I just don't have the time to commit to the protocol in hopes of preventing further changes, which may or may not arrive. I definitely agree that early use of the VED is probably best, but everyone has to make their own decision based on where they are at with the disease.

I have currently signed an armistice agreement with the disease and the VED is my nuclear option that keeps the enemy honest, for now.  :D

Skjald
Title: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: crashbandit on October 02, 2010, 01:10:00 AM
So I got my Augusta single cylinder pump system and everything looks good. I had to pay 36 bucks duty because they put the value of the product at 306 bucks so I had to pay $20 duty and $16 for tax, piss me off. I only paid $70 for it!!! Oh well. Sucks to be Canadian sometimes.

I must say my first test run was not as smooth as I would have liked. I was super scared of over pumping so I really wish this thing had a guage. I'm seriously kicking myself for not getting a pump with a guage and I hope I can get used to this one.

I'm extremely afraid to over pump, how can I be sure I don't over pump? is it safe to say, if theres no pain while pumping and you dont hold the erections in the vacuum for no longer then 1 minute, then there's no way to over pump? My penis is already hurt, I really don't want to compound it.

Thanks

Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: jackp on October 02, 2010, 05:30:46 AM
Bandit

Go to the VED thread and read my post on using the single cylinder VED.

You do not need a gage just follow the protocol. Any questions send me a PM or email.

Jackp
Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: Mike_O on October 02, 2010, 04:28:14 PM
$Bandit

Your concern about over-pumping is good as it is a common mistake. I think over-pumping is caused either by lack of sensitivity (nerve issues) where the pain/discomfort cannot be felt or by enthusiasm for seeing an erection "like I used to have".

If you normally have good sensitivity then the nerve issues don't apply to you. Just keep yourself from getting too excited and tempted to pump a few more times to see how big it can get.

Lots of guys (me included) have had good results with the medical style VED without a gauge. I suggest you go ahead and get started - don't over think this. There is great mental benefit in doing something proactive to treat Peyronies.

Of course, if you have any questions, post here and we will offer suggestions.

Mike_O
Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: crashbandit on October 03, 2010, 01:51:49 AM
Hey Mike,

Thanks for your imput. Yea, to hurt my dick anymore then it does now would really suck. I'm not sure if I do have nerve damage or
desensitised but currently have a light stinging sensation below my glan and into the glan abit. I wonder if I should get some nerve medicine?

Sorry to hear your having some issues with ED. How bad is your ED? What caused it?
Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: luka-brasi on October 03, 2010, 08:35:02 AM
just listen to your body as mike wrote.
a gauge will not help if you are not listening to your penis.

Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: crashbandit on October 03, 2010, 08:14:47 PM
Hey, thanks for the concern with my prob. My penis has been feeling alot better lately. More plump and not so shriveled up and painful. I'm generally a worry wart when starting new things, I'd just hate to cause more damage. I'm going to pump again tonight and I have a betetr idea and more of a comfortable boundry with the VED.

I will make sure to pump it up without even the slightest discomfort even if i cant get to that vacuum erection...
Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: crashbandit on October 04, 2010, 12:46:44 AM
Well I just finished pumping tonight and it started off great. Got a great start with pumping up to erection and then releasing it for a minute then pumping up for a minute and then releasing. But after about the 7th minute, I start to get the aching pull from the infamous left side at the base.

Basically, I was really trying to listen to my body. Anytime during the pumping I would only pump until a nice strtch was felt. But it seemed around that 7th minute that ache was there even with a little pumping. Then by the 15th minute it was definetely sore, not too sore, and I just stopped. Now I'm laying here and it's more sore then when I started. Not a good thing. I think I may have over pumped for my fragile penis pain.

I don't kow, I wonder if pumping is not a good idea for my condition. I guess I'll ust wait to see how I feel in the morning.
Title: Re: How can I be sure not to over pump
Post by: luka-brasi on October 05, 2010, 10:54:48 AM
i do also noticed that aching pull a while ago after i pumped a bit to much and still felt it after the session.
the following days i went on but just pumped less and after a 4-5 days it came back to normal.



Quote from: crashbandit on October 04, 2010, 12:46:44 AM
Well I just finished pumping tonight and it started off great. Got a great start with pumping up to erection and then releasing it for a minute then pumping up for a minute and then releasing. But after about the 7th minute, I start to get the aching pull from the infamous left side at the base.

Basically, I was really trying to listen to my body. Anytime during the pumping I would only pump until a nice strtch was felt. But it seemed around that 7th minute that ache was there even with a little pumping. Then by the 15th minute it was definetely sore, not too sore, and I just stopped. Now I'm laying here and it's more sore then when I started. Not a good thing. I think I may have over pumped for my fragile penis pain.

I don't kow, I wonder if pumping is not a good idea for my condition. I guess I'll ust wait to see how I feel in the morning.
Title: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: lespleen on December 28, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Just wanted to clear up some of the seeming  inconsistency regarding whether or not we should be aiming  to achieve  some kind of erect-like state during the course of the VED  cycles. some of the more knowledgeable users  on this site discourage erections ; however, the  study featured in the  BJUI article  involved using the VED to achieve an erection and then holding it for 3 minutes. Obviously erections are to be avoided in the a and b cylinders.....However many members on the forum have also indicated either explicitly or implicitly that they are pumping for an erection of sorts.  I'm on week two and things are progressing nicely thanks to some sage advice from OldMan. Just wanted to see if there was any kind of  consensus in the matter. Perhaps we tend toward a more erect-like state as our exercise regimen advances and evolves and we increase pressure and/or duration?
Title: Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: Mike_O on December 29, 2010, 12:32:11 AM
There are a few posts on this topic in other threads as well as in the long archive thread at the top of the board.

Sometimes the word "erection" is used to describe a pumped penis "with valves open" - that is engorged with the aid of the VED. If the vacuum is released from the VED then the penis loses it's engorgement pretty quick because the blood vessel valves are open.

Other times the word "erection" is used to describe a stimulated penis "with valves closed" - that is the vessel valves are closed naturally as a result of mental or physical stimulation or with the help of medication such as Viagra or with a "mechanical valve" such as a constriction band. When the VED vacuum is released the engorgement remains for awhile.

So I think there is significant confusion when the word "erection" is used - even in the scientific studies.

It is my opinion that an erection "with valves closed" is NOT necessary for VED therapy to be beneficial. I also believe longer hold times are helpful.

Title: Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: Ben on December 29, 2010, 12:01:47 PM
I totally agree with Mike_O. There is a difference between those words.

Pumping in erected state is for me the best way to overpump and to get bruised. The best result I have is starting flacid and pump until my unit is fully engorged but not hard.
By the way each one react differently and the smartest thing is to try by yourself what is better for you.
Title: Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: Mike_O on December 29, 2010, 01:30:26 PM
I will add that if I needed a "valves closed erection" every time I did VED therapy I would not be doing much, if any, therapy!
Title: Missing days on the protocol...
Post by: nebula on December 29, 2010, 02:42:25 PM
So I'm 16 weeks into the 26 week VED protocol. Recently, I missed two days because I was out of town and forgot to bring it with me. Is this a big deal?
Title: Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: lespleen on December 29, 2010, 07:00:51 PM
Okay. thanks for your input everyone. I would have to agree. So what do you guys make of the following excerpt from 2010 BJUI article entitled  THE ROLE OF VACUUM PUMP THERAPY TO MECHANICALLY STRAIGHTEN THE PENIS IN PEYRONIE'S DISEASE :

Over a 12-week period, the patients used a vacuum device (Osbon ErecAid®, MediPlus, High Wycombe, UK; Figs 1,2) without the constriction ring, for 10 min twice daily to stretch the penis. The cylinder was applied to the penis and slowly inflated until the penis was erect and maintained in this position for 3 min. The vacuum was then released to allow the erection to subside and the process repeated over a 10-min period. Patients were encouraged to remain compliant with the protocol by 2-weekly telephone calls from the study nurse practitioner.

Thanks again,
lespleen
Title: Re: Missing days on the protocol...
Post by: Mike_O on December 29, 2010, 09:57:02 PM
No - hope you had fun out of town...
Title: Re: VED: ErectionsDuringCycles?yes/no
Post by: Mike_O on December 29, 2010, 10:02:13 PM
Yes this article has been noted here before - there might even be a link to a full reprint somewhere - do a search and it might turn up. Essentially they are doing a 1 cylinder protocol with a 3 minute hold time - not too sophisticated. They were probably inspired by reading this forum - at least I hope so.
Title: Back again
Post by: clarkk on April 23, 2011, 01:10:19 AM
Hey everyone...so I developed Peyronie's in october just after my 24th birthday. I started having pain in August and plaque started in october with curvature to the right devloping. Recently Ive noticed...after a relatively stable period where it curved to the right it now curves less to the right and curves upward causing a shortening in my penis. On top of this when I ejaculate I get no propulsion if you know what I mean...a few things fly out and the rest just dribbles down the shaft. On top of this my gf of three years just left and is screwing someone else...needless to say I am going through a rough spot. I havent done anything to take cre fo this because my doc (uro) told me to just let it be and it would run its course and be done. The pain is mostly gone sure, but the deformity is worse than it was and I feel really crappy  thinking maybe  could have avoided this. So it has been 8 months...I mean what is the course of this disease usually? Also, at this point I dont know if a VED would help me...as my penis is curved upward. I still get morning erections but they are not as strong. This really sucks. GF stopped having sex with me when this hit and now she is with someone else. 3 years..sucks. How am I supposed to meet a new chick if my thing doesnt work? So i gotta get this fixed. Help!
Title: Re: Back again
Post by: Worried Guy on April 23, 2011, 06:05:09 AM
I don't see why VED would not help you and is worth a shot.  I can see why this would worry you about other girls but I bet if you met a girl and did not tell her she would not even notice.  If it goes in fine (which im sure it does) it is not that much of a problem.  It is a problem for us because we don't like the way it looks but that is only because we know what it used to look like.  A new girl would not have anything to compare it to. It could be worth trying pentox as you are at the 8 month stage.
Title: Re: Back again
Post by: clarkk on April 23, 2011, 10:13:54 AM
Worried

YOu say 8 month stage....how long does this typically go on? Youre right, I could live with the deformity it has caused me thus far....I cant handle it getting worse is all.
Title: Re: Back again
Post by: Worried Guy on April 23, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Clarkk,

Well Uro's typically say 12-18 months before things settle down but everyone is different and your guess is as good as mine.  I have about a year to go of this if this is the case and then I should know more.  Dr Lue has a case study where a man in his 50s started taking Pentox at 8 months and he had a reduction in curvature from 30 to 10 degrees and a reduction in size of plaque.  This is not to say it will work for everyone but it has to be worth a go even if it helps stop things getting worse.  My first uro said it should not get any worse after being 6 months pain free.

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?topic=772.0
Title: Re: Back again
Post by: LWillisjr on April 23, 2011, 11:18:14 AM
That is why you want to do what you can now to keep it from progressing. Even if it does stablize in 12-18 months, you want to minimize the damage caused during this time period.

I'm really getting annoyed at the "wait and see" or "do nothing until it stabilizes" approach that many urologists seem to take.
Title: Re: Back again
Post by: torn on May 01, 2011, 11:15:55 AM
I know what youre going through dude. My morning erections are either weak or non-existent and I also have ED. My curve is only minor now to the left, but the plaques (or scar tissue?) wrap around my dick just before the head causing a slight hourglass shape and reduced size.

Ive been on pentox now for about 2 weeks and I'm hoping it does something to help me. I also just started taking l arginine.

As for your gf, I'm sorry to year that. The sad truth is that a lot of women are cheaters, even more so than men these days-I read somewhere that 50% of men cheat and 55% of women cheat. So, in finding someone who will be faithful, eyou kind of have the odds stacked against you, and the peyronies just makes it worse.

Title: Newbie, trying to make it the right way
Post by: Palle on May 16, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
Well, the header said i all. No, it didn't. My - since one week - stretching sessions, as I and my (since 1 year) wife prefer to call them seem to be all right, following the forum scheme for 1-cylinder VED's. My flaccid size has improved this week, and I do not compain about that  ;) Furthermore, I intend to buy a piece of Plexiglass tube from a nearby glazier, something in shape like the small tube in the exercises that are suggested. As soon as this new tube and my cock is inside the bigger vacuum tube, what can go wrong? Or can it? Is it OK to let it go in first and then apply the vacuum pressure?
Title: Re: Newbie, trying to make it the right way
Post by: Old Man on May 16, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
Palle:

Just read your post about your exercise with the one cylinder VED following the one cylinder protocol that is posted in the VED board section of the main forum.

I strongly urge you and/or recommend that you do not use the plastic cylinder you plan to purchase from a local source. Most one cylinders that I know of are not designed to use another cylinder inside of them. You are surely going to cause more damage by inserting the added cylinder inside the one cylinder VED.

You should resort to following the protocol for the one cylinder VED using only the cylinder that came with the VED package you state you are using.

A word to the wise should be sufficient. You should provide more information about your VED exercise session in order for anyone to assist you in using it, etc.

Old Man
Title: Vacurect Rx 1001
Post by: Moses on May 21, 2011, 08:31:55 AM
Has anyone used the single cylinder Vacurect Rx 1001? My understanding is that your insurance and medicare will help pay for the ved.
If I understand what I have read on the forum, blood flow and erections help in reducing the flack which in turn helps reduce curveature in the penis. I am 65 years of age and still enjoy having sex with my wife of 47 years. I use cilias at times and find that it gives me a mild headache for a few days. I could kill to birds with one stone, help im my peyronies and stop buying the expensive getter up pills. One more question. Should I use the chart for the 3 cylinder ved for the duration times?
Thanks
Title: Re: Vacurect Rx 1001
Post by: Palle on May 21, 2011, 02:45:41 PM
There is a scheme for single cylinder VED users in this forum. Re the Cialis, too much of that stuff will make not only your penis but also your brain and face to blush, so to say. So much for headache. Save the pill usage for those dear moments ;) Your young wife may surely need a lot of attention and care. So does mine, 70 yrs old this summer, with me only 69, still active with at least ten more years to go, as we both see it. I have been trying a single cyl VED just for ten days now, and have had positive experiences from the use already :D. If you are going to use the VED for its primary purpose, to get a boner, then buy some restriction rings to go with it. Maybe yoy can skip the Cialis pills after that.
Title: VED and modeling
Post by: GS on July 01, 2011, 01:43:14 PM
Gentlemen,

I ordered the manual stretching CD from PDI a couple of years ago, but I never really used it in my therapy.  Then, after reading posts from the Xiaflex study on our forum about modeling after the injections, I started thinking more about the manual stretching CD.

So, I've been using the modeling therapy immediately after I finish using the VED, while my penis is still in the blood engorged state.  I mainly just try bending it in the opposite direction of my curvature, but I also do a little stretching lengthwise too. 

I've been doing this for a few weeks now and haven't had any negative results or pain associated with it.  If you're using a VED, you might want to give it a try and let us all know what you think.


GS
Title: Vitality ved
Post by: Moses on July 09, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
I purchased a vitality ved a few months ago and have been using it pretty regular. It has helped in my curvature and has made my penis feel like it is more healthy. I have a little problem with it and just wondering if anyone has had the same problem and if so whats the fix. When using it for therapy and using both inserts it still pulls some of the sack into the tube. This results in a little puffy ring around the base of the penis. Also if using the ved for erections to have sex and I use both rings and put the bands on I can't get the rings over the head of my penis. I was wondering if I cut the rings and lined them up where the cuts will be opposite of each other, if the ved would lose it vacuum. If it didn't then I could pull them open a remove the rings with no trouble.

Thanks
Phil
Title: Re: Vitality ved
Post by: Old Man on July 09, 2011, 02:17:59 PM
Phil:

What you are experiencing is a common problem with most beginner VED users. You can solve the problem of the sack being drawn up into the mouth of the cylinders by making sure you do not any lube on it. If you do, simply wipe it off before pumping vacuum pressure. Another tip is to hold the entire VED firmly against your body when pumping while holding the sack clear with one hand and pump with the other hand = takes a bit of practice, but it can be mastered.

You do not not need to use the sizing rings when going for an erection for sex unless you are very small and need the tighter seal around the base of your shaft. Try this: remove the inner ring and go for an erection with the outer ring only. If this works and you can get it over the head of the shaft, then OK. If not, remove both rings and pump up to an erection and then slide the retainer ring off the cylinder mouth. This usually works with no problem. Just make sure the cylinder mouth does not cut into the base of the penis in the groin area with both sizing inserts removed.

If you wish, you can shoot me a private message and I will be glad to work with you on any problem you might encounter with the VED therapy or for erections.

Old Man

Edit: DO NOT CUT THE SIZING RINGS AS THIS WILL RUIN THEM FOR A VACUUM SEAL!! THEY MUST BE COMPLETELY WHOLE FOR THEIR INTENDED USE.
Title: pump requirements etc
Post by: jetedwardz on August 05, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
hi i just ordered a single cylinder vitality online a few mins ago. i read the exercise for the one cylinder and it sounds like 80 percent  5 min 100 percent 5 min. i know the steps invovled with in the 5 minutes. so do i use this pump for just 10 mins a day????? what would you suggest. i would like to use it in the am and pm so i will prob double the protocol any opinions and is there gonna be much improvement difference between only one cylinder and the 3  thanz....i hope the 2.25 width is wide enough too. ithink my circumference is prob 3.5 roughly is this going to b an issue.thanx
Title: Re: pump requirements etc
Post by: Old Man on August 05, 2011, 10:21:13 AM
jet:

Read my PM to you this date.

Old Man
Title: VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
Post by: blackseal on August 05, 2011, 02:50:37 PM
I came down with Peyronies Disease 10 months ago.  Started seeing the curvature kick in 3 months ago.  bend is now 15 degrees to the left and 10 degrees towards my body.  Trying to stop if from getting worse, and hopefully improve it as well.  Just picked up a new SomaErect STF 3 cylinder VED.  Tried it the last two days (took me 3 weeks after it arrived to get up the courage to try it out.)  Have read the boards in detail (thank you all for the wisdom here) and had a question about the "A" cylinder.  Should it still be used or not?  Seems to be some confusion here on my part.  My issue with the "A" cylinder is that it doesn't "fit" the bottom 25% of my penis.  Should I try to use the negative pressure to suck in the bottom 25%, just apply the VED to the top 75% of the shaft or switch to the "B" tube?  As is, it looks like I have a shorter than normal member in the VED tube when the pressure is applied.....

I completely get that the smaller tube encourages length-wise stretching, while the larger tube helps with the girth....So I don't want to screw up the protocol.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
Post by: Old Man on August 05, 2011, 07:13:49 PM
blackseal:

Just read your post about using the small A cylinder with the three cylinder VED. Use of the A cylinder depends on ones physical size. VED therapy should be used staring with a totally flaccid penis. One must use plenty of lube inside the A cylinder as well as on the shaft. Apply liberal amounts of lube up inside the A cylinder as far as you can reach with your longest finger. Tip: some guys report using a small brush to apply the lube in the cylinder.

Try varying methods of applying the lube to ascertain which works best for you. You should use the A cylinder if at all possible. Its main purpose is to hold the shaft in a small confined space in the straightest position so that is remolds the shape, etc. However, if your flaccid size is just too large to be pulled into the A cylinder, you can leave it out of the protocol and proceed to use the protocol starting with the B cylinder and follow on through the B and C schedule for the whole 26 week course.

There are a few guys who are so large in the flaccid state that it is impossible for the shaft to be inserted in the A cylinder. Somewhere on the forum, there are posts supporting what I recommend above. You may need to do a search for that subject to find them.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
Post by: fubar on August 06, 2011, 01:38:44 AM
All that old man said about this issue does comply with standards set about protocol.The locked threads are always a good reference for you needs.Oldman has set the bar for ved therapy and much of it is In the lock threads.

Fubar
Title: Re: VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
Post by: blackseal on August 07, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
Thanks fubar and Old Man.  I did look on the locked threads - there just seemed to be a difference of opinion as to the "A" cylinder.  I am finding a way to "make it work" in the "A" cylinder for now.....
Title: Re: VED Newbie question on 3 cylinder VED: To use or not to use the "A" cylinder
Post by: Old Man on August 07, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
blackseal:

OK, sounds like you have gotten on the right track with the protocol procedures. It does take a bit of practice to get the hang of the best method for yourself. Each and every case of Peyronies Disease as well as the physical size of each person is totally different from any other, so each must develop what works best for them.

Old Man
Title: vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
Post by: jetedwardz on August 12, 2011, 09:48:20 AM
hi when i pump my dong presses hard against the bottom inch or so of the cylinder. is this gonna hinder me from gettin rid of my hour glassing which is a ways past the base. thanks.
Title: Re: vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
Post by: Old Man on August 12, 2011, 04:42:17 PM
jet:

If you are using both of the sizing inserts in the one cylinder Vitality VED, your base portion will always fill up the cylinder. Otherwise, you would not be able to get a good tight seal so that the rest of your shaft would not fill up either. You need a tight seal to accomplish any good VED therapy at all time during the pump and release exercises.

Don't believe you would have any problem with the hourglass being affected by the base being filled out fully as you describe. Just adhere to the protocol and do it daily as specified in the protocol you are following.

Old Man
Title: Re: vitality stock cylinder is fillin up at base?
Post by: fubar on August 13, 2011, 01:14:44 AM
Jet

Not sure exactly what you are describing but sure old man is pointing you in the preferred direction. Make sure you lube yourself and the cylinder walls you want everything slick.

Fubar
Title: VED usage general questions
Post by: Moses on September 12, 2011, 02:34:10 PM
At times I have some tenderness around the base of my penis and I believe it is coming from pushing the cylinder into my body enough to make a good seal. I have read some about the encore scrotal tissue shield and was wandering if any one has tried it. I don't want to shave around the base because of the short hair sticks and make me uncomfortable. I have read some reviews and its about 75/25 saying they would recommend it. I use the ved for peyronies and also for erection for sex. One of the reviews said it was a job to get the shield over the tension ring. Thanks for your information.
Title: Re: Scrotal tissue rings
Post by: fubar on November 29, 2011, 12:57:20 AM
Srcotal tissue ring new to me.Shave the short hairs and commence treatment.It is not a big deal hair grows back.You always need a good seal with the ved.


Position should not be a challenge once you have created a seal.

Fubar
Title: Re: Scrotal tissue rings
Post by: YMENOW on December 04, 2011, 12:20:13 AM
Try the penile sleeve which come in 3 sizes.  This stops the cylinder from pressing against the base of the penis.  It also restricts some blood flow and you can get a full glans.  Make sure that you use lube to pull the penis through the "sleeve".  I found also that the sleeve against the body formed a great suction and I didn't feel the cylinder at all.  It seemed natural to my wife and I.

Mike
Title: Re: Scrotal tissue rings
Post by: fubar on December 04, 2011, 01:00:16 AM
What?

Are you wearing a ved during intercourse? Three sleeves durining intercourse i would rather go with one!No plastic is my advise.I do know people have their preferences. Tend to believe you are nuts though.

Fubar
Title: Re: Scrotal tissue rings
Post by: Old Man on December 04, 2011, 07:58:10 AM
fubar:

What the guy is talking about is a sleeve that fits over the mouth of the cylinder like the sizing inserts. They do come is different sizes to fit over ones penis. It serves two purposes - it keeps the scrotum and hair out of the mouth of the VED when pumping up, and if one is going for an erection for sex, you simply slide the VED off the shaft and leave the sleeve on the base of the penis which holds up the erection just like any tension ring, etc.

They come in various types and sizes and are usually available from several sources on the web. I got one from the Timm Medical division of Endocare to use with my old Osbon Eseem VED and it works great.

Old Man
Title: VED Pinching
Post by: peyrosucks on December 07, 2011, 11:44:28 PM
So I'm going to try the VED for another cycle.  I have the 3 cylinder vitality device.  It is pinching towards the base of my shaft.  I recall reading on a past thread that the problem was that the smaller insert wasn't as long as the bigger insert (or comfort ring or whatever they call it).  Is that the problem, and does anyone have a workaround?
Title: Re: VED Pinching
Post by: Old Man on December 08, 2011, 08:08:21 AM
peyrosucks:

This has been a problem that some guys experience with the three cylinder VED. You should be using both the small and large sizing inserts to help control the pinching effect. It is caused by the gap between the inserts and the mouth of the cylinders when all three are mated together.

If you are not already doing so, you should trim off the longer pubic hair around the base and then shave the stubble to provide a clean surface. Another tip is to use plenty of lube inside the mouth of the cylinder and as far up into the cylinder(s) as you can reach to provide a more slippery entrance with the head of your penis. The shaft must have the ability to slide easily up and down in the cylinder
which should help with the pinching as well.

After you get the shaft into the mouth of the cylinders and start pumping, the VED should be held firmly against the body so that the scrotum skin or other body skin is not drawn into the mouth of the cylinder. Excess skin there can be allowed to be drawn into the gap between the inserts and cylinders hence the pinching.

Experiment with different amounts of vacuum - especially when you first being the cycles. Start of with a mild amount of vacuum and increase the amount as your shaft begins to come more erect. At no time should you use too much vacuum pressure in order not to cause any damage/trauma to your penis. Less vacuum pressure is much better than more pressure with VED therapy.

Let me know how the above tips work out for you.

Old Man
Title: difference among cylindres
Post by: dioporcolorisolvo on January 10, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
I think i'll star with VED, after 13 months of peyronie.


Can anyone tell me the sense of the protocol with 3 cylindres? Why that order among cylindres?
Which is the difference between small cylinder and large cylinder?

Thanks
Title: Re: difference among cylindres
Post by: Old Man on January 11, 2012, 11:53:01 AM
diop:

OK, the theory behind the three cylinder therapy is this = the small cylinder being used in the early stages of the protocol holds the shaft of the penis in a very straight and confined condition. This is supposed to help remold/model the shape of the shaft back into a more straight position. Also, it forces more blood flow into the corpora which also helps with the straightening process. The medium cylinder allows the shaft to expand in length as well as girth and this provides greater blood flow, still helping with the straightening process.

The large cylinder allows the penis to be extended to its fullest in length and girth. Again, allowing more blood flow into and out of the corpora which provides the best blood flow, etc. possible with full erections.

The above is based on my extensive experience helping guys on and off the forum with the VED therapy. I have been using the VED for over 16 years now since a radical prostatectomy which left me impotent. The VED therapy can and will help with most Peyronies Disease cases. It also allows one to get the biggest and hardest erection possible when going for sex.

If you need any further explanation, just post and I will endeavor to answer any and all questions you might have.

Old Man
Title: How to thinking about it?
Post by: LauRenT on January 24, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
Hi all.
Well, i have a strange feeling today about my situation ( i think i'm not the only one ).
The things is: i'm in the middle of my 5th week with the 3 cylinders protocole, I wanted to compare my erection before and after VED use.
  when i obtain a natural erection after using VED ( just after or one hour later for ex ) i can see great improvement ( hourglassing/bottle neck  disapear ) and my penis looks like 99 pourcent like before peyronie. BUT, with a daily erection ( before doing VED session ) it's not really the same. In that case, my symptomes back and it's like nothing changed.
The good thing is symptome disapear ( ok only after VED ), and in the begining of the VED protocole it wasn't like that, so a good evolution. And i never had  ED. I can understand that tissues have a better elastic capacity after VED session, the blood can move everywhere, diferent when the tissues are "cold".
Happy to see improvement and in same time sad to see that it's temporary improvement for now, like a daily circle of good/bad.
Thinking about VED like an "eternal" crutche for having all integrity of your penis ( not for ED ) can be disturbing, but i don't give up.



Title: Re: How to thinking about it?
Post by: Luciano on January 25, 2012, 02:07:49 PM
Same here... when I start the ved session it takes 5 minutes (like about 8 - 10 cycles) until my penis looks "normal" inside the cylinder
the thing is though, that immediately after, it is difficult to get and hold an erection because it seems that the blood can flow back out, and it seems it does.
Luc
Title: Re: How to thinking about it?
Post by: Old Man on January 25, 2012, 04:37:33 PM
Luc:

Since the blood flows back immediately after using the VED sessions, you might have a venous leakage problem. Suggest you get yourself checked for that. It is a common occurrence with men as they get older and may not have cycled their erections as much as in earlier years.

I know that it occurred for me at about age 55. My uro suggested using a retainer ring to hold up erections.

Old Man
Title: Re: How to thinking about it?
Post by: Luciano on January 26, 2012, 01:23:45 PM
Thanks for the advice.
Actually I have an appointment mid feb. and will have it checked.

Actually I meant, that I can get erections normally and hold them (example in the mornings)

but right after a 25 minute ved session I have difficulties getting one (without the ved).

I wanted to get some erect photographs (to show my uro) right before the ved session and right after (as he asked me if there is a difference - He does not promote ved usage, but was interested as I showed him the uk hospital study).

I got them done before, that was ok, but didnt manage to get a full erection right afterwards (I only managed a semi-erection). (though i admit i gave up after 5 minutes)

But you are right, I will talk to him about it.

Luc
Title: Re: How to thinking about it?
Post by: Old Man on January 26, 2012, 04:08:54 PM
Luc:

Just read your latest post about the erections problem. You mentioned that you do a 25 minute VED session and have the erection difficulty shortly after finishing the session.

Suggest that you cut back on the time you are doing the sessions and maybe use less pressure and/or holding times between pump up cycles. This usually does away with erection problems if any occur. A 15 minute VED session should be enough especially if you do them every day on a regular basis. Daily use is the best overall therapy.

Old Man
Title: Re: How to thinking about it?
Post by: james1947 on January 26, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
Old Man, thanks for the advice.
I am making VED 30 minutes every day for 5 months by now and have the same problem as Luc.
I will cut to 15 minutes and see the results.
James
Title: VED questions
Post by: Iseilinus on February 13, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
I have acquired an Augusta Medical Systems 3 tube VED unit with both manual and electric pumps.  Over the last two months I have slowly been getting to know the system  and trying out different methods etc.  I think I am about ready to get serious with one of the protocols that are generously provided for us on this forum. So far I have not hurt myself yet, although I did have a close call with the electric pump/large tube set-up when it started to suck a testicle up before I could hit the release valve.

Before I get going I have a couple of what are probably stupid questions. Here goes:

1) Does it make any difference if you stand up or lie down doing this?

2) The kit came with a bunch of plastic fittings that are apparently for use with ED/sex. I don't need these right?  I don't have sex, and can get an erection anyway (painfully).

3) I have been using a TENS unit at very low current (can hardly feel it) for about 20 minutes before using the VED because it seems to relax my member and make it temporarily more pliable. Which makes it fit more easily into the acrylic tubes. The electric current also seems to help with plumping and filling once it is in the tube. Anyone see a problem with this?

4) I have been saving the small tube and only using the two big tubes since I am not sure how I am going to fit in there.  Any tips on force feeding my member into the small tube?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.
Title: Re: VED questions
Post by: GS on February 14, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
1  I stand and/or sit on a bench in my shower.  I've never tried laying down.

2  The constriction rings are for having sex with ED.  They are not for Peyronies' therapy.

3  ????

4  I use less pressure with the small tube.  Large tube, 3 pumps.  Medium tube, 2 to 3 pumps.  Small tube, 1 to 2 pumps.

The above is based only on my own experience, but I'm sure Old Man will give you the "expert's" opinion.

GS

Title: Re: VED questions
Post by: Old Man on February 14, 2012, 10:07:57 AM
Iseillinus:

OK, since I am considered the VED guru on the forum I will try to answer your questions in the order you listed them:

1. It really does not make any difference whether you are standing up or lying down. However, standing up will allow more blood flow into and out of the corporal chambers. I suggest standing up for the exercise cycles.

2. OK, the accessories that came with the VED are for use with getting erections for sex if one has ED.
So, you will not need them at any time when doing the schedules cycles of the protocol. Again, the VED should help with the painful erections, but be careful not to over pump the vacuum at any time. Less pressure is much better than more with VED therapy. If at any time you feel pain or discomfort, stop pumping and find the cause - could be too much vacuum applied.

3. I have no experience with the TENS unit other when I had some hand surgery and it was used in my therapy. However, some guys on the forum have used it and I suggest you ask that question in a separate post to get a proper answer for that question.

4. OK, you should use all three of the cylinders per the protocol when using VED therapy if at all possible. However, if your physical size is just too large to fit comfortably in the small cylinder, you can omit it from the scheduled cycles. In my experience on and off the forum, I have only encountered one or two guys who could not at least get a portion of their shaft into the small tube. Some using the VED have gotten erections or partial erections first and then tried to enter the small tube which failed. So, be sure that you do not get any form of erection prior to entering any of the cylinders. VED therapy must be started without getting any form of an erection!

4a. Here are some tips about getting your shaft into the small cylinder.

First, make sure that you have lubricated the small cylinder well up into it before trying to enter it. Some guys report using a toothbrush or any small brush to apply the lube up into the small cylinder. Tip on lubrication: I buy mine at Walmart under the brand name of Equate Personal Lube which works equal well as KY and that which came with the VED.

Second, lubricate only your shaft and especially the glans before trying to enter, etc. NOTE: DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT GET ANY LUBE ON YOUR SCROTUM TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING SUCKED UP INTO THE CYLINDERS.

Third, since the fit will rapidly become very tight, use several mild pumps to get your head portion to start being pulled into the cylinder. And, as the pressure builds and you feel discomfort, release the pressure while holding the entire VED against your body so that the seal will not be lost. I suggest that you practice getting used to entering the small cylinder and how to adapt to the tight pressure before embarking on a full session of the therapy according to the schedule in the three cylinder protocol.

Lastly, I strongly urge you to use only the manual pump for the reason you stated in your post. Unless you have some physical disability that precludes you from using the manual pump, you should not not use the battery powered pump. However this should be your decision. Print out this post so that you can refer to it when you start your practice session and on to the regular schedule.

Let me know if I can be of further help.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED questions
Post by: Iseilinus on February 14, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Old Man,
Thanks so much for your detailed responses to all of my questions. In particular, I appreciate the part about not getting lube on your scrotum. It is just common sense, I am sure I would eventually figure it out, but there is a lot to absorb all at once with this gizmo. All your other points are spot on as well :)

GS,
Thanks, I like your point about counting the pumps with the manual unit. That should roughly equal a vacuum gauge, which my gizmo does not have :)

I think I have the small tube sorted out now, and will embark on the three cylinder protocol starting today.

Quote from: Old Man on February 14, 2012, 10:07:57 AM
Iseillinus:Second, lubricate only your shaft and especially the glans before trying to enter, etc. NOTE: DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT GET ANY LUBE ON YOUR SCROTUM TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING SUCKED UP INTO THE CYLINDERS.
Title: Re: VED questions
Post by: Old Man on February 14, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
Iseilinus:

You are most welcome. Glad to help any and all with anything I have knowledge, etc.

Old Man
Title: Dumb Idea?
Post by: goodluck on February 16, 2012, 10:42:12 AM
I was reading some of the older posts and people were stating that the blood flow from an erection carries more blood and is more healing to the penis than that from a VED erection. Maybe it is true, perhaps not.  I don't know.
It got me thinking.
Assuming it has some truth.  How would it work to get a natural erection and then do 15minutes of VED therapy?

I understand if you have a curve issue this may not work.

In the case of hour glassing it may make sence.  I realize you would have to be very gentle and cautious with pumping but it may deliver more blood flow and provide a differenct dynamic to stretching of the scar tissue.

I am sure someone long before me must have thought of this.  Is it a Dumb idea? Maybe not? 
Any comments?
Good Luck
Title: Re: Dumb Idea?
Post by: Luciano on February 16, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
Well IMO it will not change a lot. But i did it a couple of times and for me the only difference was a gain in time.. like 4 to five minutes.

When I start a ved session with the medium cylinder,
normally my penis is not erected, and pumping up makes only small changes.
it takes 3 to five cycles until i get erection size.

If I have an erection when starting, I have erection size during first cycle.
so the difference is: I gain 3 cycles at most, average 5 minutes.

Using the big cylinder it takes longer to achieve full erection when pumping up.
I even have sometimes to use the medium cylinder for 5 to 6 cycles and then  switch to the big cylinder which has to be lubed.
Starting with an erection, I can skip the first 5 pumpups  and start with the big cylinder.

So doing 25 minutes when starting with an errection will give me like 30 minutes starting without.
I do not think that there is more difference than the saving of time.

Luc
Title: Re: Dumb Idea?
Post by: LauRenT on February 16, 2012, 03:05:54 PM
I tried sometimes to achieve an erection, waiting, and when my penis was flaccid ( but still engorging ) started VED session, and as Luciano said for me it was a gain in time. In my VED sessions i always take nearly 10 minutes to "prepare" my penis with very gently pumps and AFTER i start 10 cycles, with erection before VED, i reduce this time to 5 minutes.
I noted too after a hot bath when i did my VED session my penis had a better "response" to the therapy and it was more quick.

In my case is not an erection state, more an after erection state, but now i'm in my 7th week of the protocole and i can say that it s more natural for me to make VED session and after have a natural erection ( with no pain )
But i really can't say if it's useful or not, my curve reduced and it's more like a litle "natural" curve ( Thanks VED and/or i can say thanks the hourglassing who helped curve's reduction.. no answers for now, both i think ).

So i think ( with my little experience ) especially with hourglassing with  a post erected state or semi-erection before VED, the response will be more effective ( in my case especially with C cylinder ). The most important is too listen your body, if you have control on your VED therapy, i can't say it's a bad way.
Getting erections is so important, especially with peyronie, i always thought like i have more powerful to have erection than peyronie have power to let me down. Natural erections are good for the penis and the mind follow, it's a cycle.

Laurent
Title: Re: Dumb Idea?
Post by: Worried Guy on February 16, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
I'm pretty sure Old Man said never do the VED with a natural erection to start with.
Title: Modeling after VED therapy
Post by: GS on February 28, 2012, 11:24:54 AM
Gentlemen,

After my VED session and while my penis is still engorged with blood from the VED, I have been doing some gentle penis bending and stretching.

So far, no pain or problems, but also no decrease in curvature.  Has anyone else tried this and does anyone think it's a good or bad idea?

GS
Title: Re: Modeling after VED therapy
Post by: james1947 on February 28, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
After reading in the past some posts regarding gentle massage of the penis or better say the plaques I have tried to do so including bending and stretching. I have tried that also in flaccid state.
I don't know if it is good or bad idea but after two months was no any improvement so I stop from doing that.
James
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: trevorrr on May 06, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
I'm worried that I could be on to something very good or very bad. When using the ved I get swelling around my dents and it fills them in and then some, when erect my erections are perfect and lots of increased girth and this swelling which looks like loops or rings of fat when flaccid, Will stay for the entire day and I can have sex that night with the gains. Is This form of swelling productive or counter productive I'm wondering.

Trevor
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on May 06, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
trevorr:

I have not been presented with situation before, so it is a first for me. My suggestion is that you may be using too much vacuum pressure to achieve an erection. You should experiment using varying degrees of pressure to determine if using a high vacuum pressure is the problem.

Vacuum therapy does not work for 100% of guys with Peyronies Disease - so consider that you could be in that 10%. You do not , repeat do not, want to pump up the vacuum at any time higher that you can stand comfortably. VED therapy is not "torture" but a system to promote better blood flow in and out of your penile shaft.

Try the above for a few therapy sessions to determine if you are using the proper procedure and the right amount of vacuum. Let the forum know if this works for you as any and all would in interested in knowing your results as this is a first for VED therapy as far as I know.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: GS on June 26, 2012, 02:44:11 PM
Public forum question for Old Man:

Do you see any problem with removing the small suction ring during a VED session.  I did it today and it seemed like my penis got more engorged with blood than when using both rings.

Obviously, I had to use more caution to keep my scrotum from getting sucked into the tube.  But, other than that, it went very well.

GS
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on June 26, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
GS:

There are two schools of thought about using the sizing inserts with VED therapy. One is that if using two does not interfere with getting a good blood flow into and out of the corpora, stay with the two. The other is that if the small ring does interfere with getting good blood flow to discontinue using two.

IMHO opinion, if one does not have any pain or discomfort with using two sizing rings, use them. My reasoning is that it helps reduce the possibility of having ones scrotum being drawn up into the VED cylinder which can and will cause extreme problems. I have had PMs from guys that have had this happen and it took several minutes and a lot of guts to "pull" their penises out of the VED. OUCH IT RIGHT!!!

Anyway, the above is my considered opinion based on over 17 years of using VEDs myself and that of helping many others using the VED therapy. Hope this answers your question, if not, let me know and I will endeavor to find a better answer for you.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: cowboyfood on June 27, 2012, 09:06:22 AM
GS,

I'll also make a comment to your question to Old Man. 

The Augusta Vitality 3-cylinder VED that I have came with two rubber insert rings, a larger and a smaller ring, that fit at the base of the tube(s) and holds the tube(s) in place. IMO, use of the smaller ring is optional.  I noticed immediately that it was much easier for me to engorge myself while using only the larger ring, and not using the second, smaller ring.

I've only been using the larger ring for the past three and a half years.

CF
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: GS on June 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
Thanks Guys.  I used only the larger ring again today with no issue and I agree it makes it a lot easier for me to get fully engorged with an erection that is bigger than the one I get using both rings.

A word of caution to anyone else trying to use only the larger ring; don't let your scrotum get in the vacuum tube.

GS
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: jackp on June 27, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
When I meet the VED rep in the urologist office one of the first things he told me was not to use the small insert that I did not need it.

Well curiosity "got the cat" and I tried it anyway. Sure enough I could barley get any expansion with it and it was difficult to get off.

I found a good tight seal kept my scrotum from being pulled into the cylinder.

My 2 cents.

Jackp
http://jackp-penileimplant.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: cowboyfood on June 28, 2012, 02:43:51 PM
jackp,

In regard to the different size tubes, I too found it difficult to use the smallest tube.  However, with practice I learned how to effectively use the smallest insert. 

From what I understand, and I think Old Man will agree, one should use the smallest insert as the protocol calls for to get maximum benefit.

In using the smallest insert, I learned that the "key" to stretching out was to not remove the tube from your penis after each cycle (where a cycle is pumping, and then releasing the pressure).  IMO, in order to effectively use the smallest tube, one must NOT remove the tube between cycles.  I noticed that I was able to get an excellent "lengthwise" stretch, understanding that narrowness of the tube provided a different type of physical therapy then the two other larger tubes.

In fact, when I use the other two larger tubes, I do not remove the tube in between cycles.

-CF
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on June 28, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
Note to all:

Supplementing cowboyfood's and JackP's posts below: Never, never ever remove your penis from the VED when doing the sessions. In fact, it is best not to lose the seal at all since it would have to be regained before continuing the stretching cycles of the protocol.

So, use of the small sizing insert totally depends on ones size flaccid. Once the pumping sessions are started DO NOT, REPEAT DO NOT REMOVE ONES PENIS FROM THE VED. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE SOME DIFFICULY GETTING THE HEAD AND SHAFT BACK INTO THE SMALL INSERT THEREFORE PRECLUDING ITS USE. IT IS DESIGNED TO HOLD ONES PENIS SHAFT IN A RESTRICTED MANNER TO HELP WITH MOLDING AND STRAIGHTENING, ETC.

So, bottom line, if at all possible, use both inserts following the suggested guidelines in the paragraphs above. The above knowledge has been gained by my over 17 years plus use of several model VEDs - one and three cylinder models.

Will be glad to answer any and all questions relative how to get started with VED therapy or any questions that arise after the protocol is begun.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: stuartmar on July 15, 2012, 05:56:33 AM
I assuming you're using the A tube this week...maybe some of the tightness is due to the narrow diameter of the A tube. 
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on July 29, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
So, I'm totally new to this forum...and to VED use.  I went through a treatment involving verapamil injections, which I didn't care for much. My uro suggested VED.  I immediately purchased the three-cylinder Augusta device, but have NEVER used it.  I'm ready to take the plunge.  The biggest concern that I have is the use of the A cylinder.  The Augusta rep asked me, upon consultation, if I thought I'd have any problems "fitting" into the A cylinder.  I replied, "no"....but once I received the device, I found that I can't imagine HOW I can fit into it at all.  In fact, I don't have much space when I place my natural erection into the C cylinder.  I'd like to start the protocol...and I get the science behind the use of all 3 cylinders.  Has anyone had to modify the treatment due to an inability to use the A cylinder?  I also read that Augusta sells an even larger cylinder than the C.  Has anyone used that one? 

Thanks in advance for any forthcoming replies....
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Luciano on July 29, 2012, 09:32:00 AM
If you look at the protocols closely, there is (in red) a sentence written for those who cannot use the A cylinder, they should replace the A cylinder with the B cylinder in the protocol. (be aware though that the a cylinders purpose is to stretch lengthwise and not giving your penis a chance to curve itself)
Read the post )couple of posts below this one by old man:
Quote
... DO NOT, REPEAT DO NOT REMOVE ONES PENIS FROM THE VED. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE SOME DIFFICULY GETTING THE HEAD AND SHAFT BACK INTO THE SMALL INSERT THEREFORE PRECLUDING ITS USE. IT IS DESIGNED TO HOLD ONES PENIS SHAFT IN A RESTRICTED MANNER TO HELP WITH MOLDING AND STRAIGHTENING, ETC.
So when flaccid it is supposed to be tight... but again.. there is the addendum in the protocol...

As for the addendum, go to:
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,697.0.html
go down to: Addendum 11/11/10

If you have further questions, THE ved specialist around here is "Old Man".
He is bound to have answers for you.

Luc

Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: LWillisjr on July 29, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: tee-lee on July 29, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
In fact, I don't have much space when I place my natural erection into the C cylinder.

Old Man is the expert on this.. but I noticed your comment. Just wanted to remind you that you don't use the VED while you have an erection.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on July 29, 2012, 05:49:30 PM
Thanks guys for the response....I only inserted my natural erection into the C cylinder as a means of testing if I would have much space available when using the negative pressure to engorge an erection using the C, according to the protocol.  My question concerning the A cylinder was based on my attempts in a flaccid, though un-lubricated, state.  I'll give it a shot again.  Thanks, Luc, for the point concerning the amended protocol...I hadn't seen that.  I'm hoping to find a way to use the A (though I won't force it).  I'd like to use the protocol as it is prescribed. 
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: james1947 on July 30, 2012, 01:57:05 AM
I just want to add that if the A cylinder is to small for you, don't use it. Use the B and C cylinders.
As lwillisjr stated, Old Man is the expert on the subject. You can send him a PM.

James
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on August 07, 2012, 08:09:37 AM
Still haven't used my VED yet.  But in preparation, I have another question.  IS SHAVING ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?  I have read and seen comments about the importance of shaving in order to ensure a good "seal"...but has anyone been successful with using VED without shaving?  Or trimming without going completely bare?  I'm personally not much of a fan of the pre-pubescent look, and would prefer to not shave, especially a COMPLETE shave, if I don't really have to.  Thanks in advance for any and all forthcoming replies. 

tee-lee
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on August 07, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
tee-lee:

To answer you question about a complete shave in preparation for VED therapy: the answer is no, you do not have to COMPLELTELY SHAVE THE GROIN AREA.

You only need to trim off the long hair immediately around the base of the shaft where where the VED cylinder mouth joins your body. Then after trimming this area, you have to shave the stubble in that area only, not all of the pubic hair. This area needs to be shaved on a routine basis to keep a good clean surface. This will provide a good tight seal for applying the vacuum.  I am with you, clean shaven in the groin presents problems when one gets sweaty from any activity, etc.

Ask any and all questions you might have once you get started with your VED therapy. Strongly suggest that you read all the instructions in the VED board protocol for the type VED you have = one cylinder or three cylinder models. There is a great protocol for each of these VEDs.

Lastly, be careful with the amount of vacuum you use for the first week or so of the scheduled cycles of the protocol. Also, suggest that you practice for a while assembling and setting up the VED for your therapy. Proper lubrication is another feature you should be careful with in order to provide a good slippery surface on your shaft during the exercise cycles.

Old Man

Edit: This is about the above recommendation for trimming and shaving the pubic hair: It is not necessary that any and all members trim and shave the pubic hair. This should be done only when there is a problem with getting a good tight seal while doing the exercise cycles. In my personal case, it was necessary to do this in order to obtain the seal needed to properly do the cycles.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: LWillisjr on August 07, 2012, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: tee-lee on August 07, 2012, 08:09:37 AM
IS SHAVING ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?  I have read and seen comments about the importance of shaving in order to ensure a good "seal"...but has anyone been successful with using VED without shaving?  Or trimming without going completely bare? 
tee-lee

I've used the VED successfully without trimming.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Luciano on August 20, 2012, 01:19:42 AM
Well I dont shave completely with VED.
I only shave the shaft up to base. And I do trim the hair when it gets too long.
That does feel better (and makes you look bigger ;) ).
I do though have to use more lube on the ring than when i used to shave completely.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: nastyone on August 25, 2012, 05:54:42 PM
I was wondering what effects a VED  may have on me. I have always had a congenital curve of about 20 degrees to the left.  On the right side is my inflammation/scar formation which is always a dull pain.  Its caused indentations in atleast one spot, which wrap about halfway around the penis. I guess im wondering if the VED  is okay to use with congenital curving, though the problem mainly persists on the opposite side.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: LWillisjr on August 27, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
Are you using the VED for penile health, or are you using it in hopes of straightening your curve? I don't know of any accounts or studies of either VED or traction improving a congenital curve.

Les
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: nastyone on August 27, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
 No i have no problem whatsoever with my congenital curve. My only concern is the further development of this inflammation and scarring. Im only 21 and was recently diagnosed, though ive had inflammation for close to a year with scar formation within the last few months.  Its really constricting my erections about midshaft, wrapping around almost the whole shaft, stemming from the right side. Im really just wondering if a VED would benefit this type of scarring, or any other device that may help. Thank you, nastynate.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: LWillisjr on August 27, 2012, 09:36:52 PM
If you are saying that you have been diagnosed with Peyronies Disease in addition to the congenital curve.... and you have some scarring/constriction mid-shaft, then yes I think use of a VED could help this.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: nastyone on August 28, 2012, 01:15:18 AM
alright, one more question.  ive read alot on this forum and ive gathered that you shouldnt use a VED if you experience any pain.  But at the same time, if you are still in the acute phase and experiencing pain on a constant basis, is it still okay to use a VED?  Thanks.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: james1947 on August 28, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
In my opinion, you should not use VED if you are experiencing pain.
You should first get solution to the pain and then begin VED.

James
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Nevergonnagiveyouup on August 31, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
I have a question regarding lube. Im receiving my SOMAcorrect medical 3 cylinder VED in a few days and am now slowly beginning to look into how to use it for my curvature reduction treatment. Im planning on following the protocol listed on these forums for 3 cylinder medical VEDs.

How important is lube? I mean, is it possible to not use any form of lubrication at all?

/Never
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on August 31, 2012, 02:26:46 PM
Never:

OK, you have asked one of the most important questions regarding use of any VED. Good lubrication is the key factor in how successful one will be in seeing any results with VED therapy. Without lubrication, ones penis and/or foreskin simply will not slide up and down the shaft of ones penis especially in the small A cylinder. In addition, it will cause much irritation to your most prized possession.

So again, the bottom line about lubrication is that without its use, VED therapy will become more of a bad experience rather than an enjoyable one. To prove my point, you might want to try using the VED without lubrication to see what I am speaking about. You will find that it is a most unpleasant experience. However, don't do any damage to yourself by trying it, take my word for it that it is really necessary. Proper use of adequate lubrication will enhance the therapy.

I am sure that you will have more questions arise as you embark on your therapy sessions using the 26 week protocol for the 3 cylinder VED. Strongly suggest that you practice assembling and trying to get the VED properly situated on your shaft in the proper manner before embarking on the weekly scheduled cycles using the various cylinders indicated in the schedule.

Most of us trim the long pubic hair and then shave the stubble in order to provide a clean skin surface to get a tighter/better seal around the base of the shaft. A good tight seal is one of the most important factors of VED usage.

Ask any and all questions that you might have with the proper use of the VED. Remember one thing above all others, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT overpump the vacuum pressure at any time. If you feel any pain or discomfort while pumping the exercise cycles, stop immediately, locate the cause before proceeding. Overpumping through a zealous desire to ''get it bigger'' certainly will cause you many problems, so go easy with the vacuum and remember that less is much better than more in the vacuum arena.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Nevergonnagiveyouup on August 31, 2012, 05:27:16 PM
Thank you Old Man for you very informative answer. I really appreciate it and your willingness to answer any future questions.

I am definately gonna proceed slowly and with caution as I start my VED treatment. Already I am doin 4-9 hrs of traction with the andropeyronie from andropenis and I also took additional care during the first few weeks. Unfortunately not enough time has passed to be certain of any gains in curvature correction yet.

With regards to general VED usage another thing that comes to my mind is the minimum size of VED cylinder one can "squeeze" his penis into, and especially with a curvature. Is the cylinder too smal when the internal diameter of the cylinder equals the diameter of a normally erect penis or when is the limit? Also I have a 45 degree distinct angulation (it is not a banana like curvature); will pumping by the use in a VED force a straight erection or is certain discomfort expected from the penis pressing more to one side of the cylinder wall than the other?

On a final note I can't stress enough what a huge help these forums are and the people posting here. I am really thankful. I looking forward to updating on my progress when I have all of my treatment plans lined up properly.

/Never
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on August 31, 2012, 05:58:28 PM
Never:

OK, it would only be fair to state that if your penile physical size in flaccid state is just too large to successfully enter the small A cylinder, just leave the A cylinder out of the schedule. However, before doing that take time to try using more lubricant in the small cylinder first. Some guys report using a small brush to reach further up into the A cylinder with more lube.

The main purpose of the small cylinder is to hold the penis in a confined straight condition in order to help remold the shape. When curves and bends are present, one must take the extra time to try their best effort to use the smaller cylinder for the purpose stated herein. It does take some time to get the hang of the VED therapy procedures. So, be patient and work slowly until you find the comfort zone with the therapy.

Again, we all are here to help in any manner, so feel free to ask any and all questions you might have as they arise.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Nevergonnagiveyouup on August 31, 2012, 06:19:49 PM
Thank you for your answer Old Man. I think I'm finally beginning to understand how the VED actually works. I guess for curvature treatment it could be compared to a controlled erect bending in the opposite direction of the curvature. Obviously the VED will ensure better control of both force applied to the bend and strength of erection.

/Never
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on September 03, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
I agree with "Never"...these posts and this forum are just AWESOME.  Old Man, what would we do without you??

I have yet another general question.  So, I'm experiencing some of my "plaque" issues at the very base of my penis.  Hence, I have curvature at the base, which causes my member to turn slightly. 

Has anyone else experienced this type of peyronie's plaque?  My larger question is how the VED would impact this type of plaque?  Or would it? 
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Hawk on September 03, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
I have a moderate to large dent (not a curve) on the underside of the very base of my shaft.  As long as that area fits inside of the vacuum tube it gets as much benefit as it would anywhere else on the shaft.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Old Man on September 03, 2012, 12:12:01 PM
tee-lee

Hawk has answered your question about the area at the base of your shaft. As he said, if it fits within the confines of the cylinder, by all means proceed with VED therapy. If it does not, try to find a way to use the VED leaving out that area so it won't be subjected to the vacuum pressure.

Experiment with different approaches to what works best and gives you help. However, don't push your luck by using too much vacuum pressure as I have said in PMs to you.

Old Man
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: fubar on September 04, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
To all

When using the VED  be sure you not over pressure the vacuum in the cylinder. Meaning you feel piercing pain stop!!!!!!!

Pain is not gain in this exercise.


Fubar
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: ThisWontWork on September 04, 2012, 07:15:25 AM
What do you prefer? a VED with a gauge or one without? and WHY?
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: james1947 on September 04, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
I don't think the gauge is necessary because:
* You should pump not according to the gauge but according to your feeling not to have any pain or discomfort.
* A gauge should pass periodical examination for accuracy and you don't know from the beginning what the gauge quality is.
* The gauge is an other part that can fail/broke

James
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Norm on September 20, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Hello all. I have taken the big step and ordered my first VED. I ordered from a reputable supplier based upon a recommendation from a new friend. I have been two yrs with Peyronies Disease and am just fed up with a 70 degree curve and the advice of my Uro, "just wait, it may resolve itself". With all the reading I have done on this forum, I don't remember anyone testifying that it "resolved itself". I have a few years of sexual activity remaining and I want to enjoy them.

The device I ordered is the single cylinder version. The tube is 2.25" by 8". (Gee, I sure hope that's not too small! ) I am in a 200k population area, so I am confident I can find other tubular materials to construct different sleeves to fit inside it. I envision a sleeve that could maybe be slid over Mr. Dong prior to placing him in the VED. I don't think a free-floating sleeve would hurt would it? I should still get the same vacuum. And isn't the purpose of the smaller tube to force the erection straight? If so, a sleeve around my dong inside the sleeve of the device should accomplish that. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Rather than having 3 tubes that attach to the VED, I would have tubes that float inside the VED. Am I making this too simple in my mind?
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: LWillisjr on September 20, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
Norm,
Interesting approach. Never thought about using a constricting sleeve. But it seems to me it would accomplish the same effect of the smaller tube but still applying a vacuum.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on September 21, 2012, 05:21:37 AM
Interesting that you should bring up a sleeve.  I saw a product online called a "divo sleeve".  It's essentially a narrow constricting sleeve made from a material that's supposed to stretch the penis when worn.  And it can be worn throughout the day.  I'm not sure about using it with the VED...but I just wondered about using it along with doing VED therapy.  Interesting....
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Norm on September 21, 2012, 09:58:04 AM
Surely I am not the first to come up with this idea. I know there have to be some veterans out there that have done this very thing. The only obstacle I see to this idea is the adapter that goes on the base end, nearest your body. It comes in two sizes and is, essentially, the hole you place your penis in to get it inside the VED. If you put the adapter on the VED first, then my sleeve might not go thru. If you pull the adapter off the VED, place it around your dong, then put the sleeve on, I foresee a problem maybe in getting it lined back up to get the adapter, with penis and sleeve, all back inside the VED and attached properly. I guess I will find all this out thru trial and error unless someone comes forward that has actually done it.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: tee-lee on September 26, 2012, 10:00:29 AM
random rant...sorry guys.  VED would be so much easier if I had "low hangers"....never quite wished that I had low hangers, but danggit!  It would make this process so much easier.  Anyway...sorry...carry on.
Title: Re: VED usage general questions
Post by: Norm on October 03, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
Hi Guys,
I successfully converted my single cylinder Vitality unit to a two cylinder. No doubt, I could make as many sizes as I want. I took a piece of 1 7/8" X 1 1/2" clear PVC. Taking the measurement inside the large sizing adapter, I just got on a lathe and turned down the OD of my tube to fit. Now I just slide the sizing adapter onto my homemade tube then slide the whole thing into the Vitality. It works great! I have attached a picture of the sleeve that I made. If anyone wants to see more photos of it and how it all goes together, just let me know. I will post more or will send them directly to you.