Since my visit to the urologist in November I have had some mild flaccid pain and an increase in curvature. It also seems that a vein that goes along the left upper side and under the glans has turned hard and is painful to touch. The urologist told me I just have to wait it out for a year and then decide wether to have surgery or not. He adviced to do stretching many times per day in the acute phase but I get more pain when I try even very light stretching so I stopped that.
I can still have sex but the curve is starting to make it more difficult, and I dont want to just sit passively and wait while things just get worse.
My economy will not allow me to spend a lot of money on medicine so I want to try treatment with a couple of cheap household products. Cabbage leaves and apple cider vinegar applied topically.
With all the people here on this forum for so many years it is very unlikely that nobody has tried them before and maybe failed but I will try anyway. I will also restart the breath training that I stopped after I got diagnosed.
Before I am written off as a complete idiot I will try to explain my thinking:
Cabbage leaves
They have been used against inflammation since ancient times. I have used them on inflamed muscles and joints with success many times before.
From what I have read they contain several antioxidants that work to stop inflammation. Then I on this forum read Peyronies Disease is caused by oxidative stress and inflammation among other things.
My plan is to wrap a pin rolled leaf around the penis before sleep and keeping it there until morning. I hope that some of the contents will be taken up through the skin and move further into the damaged tissue.
Apple cider vinegar
Just an idea that it could be helpful dissolving calcification and it is also rumoured to have other positive effects. I will have to try out with low concentration on a small skin area on the hip first to avoid any bad reactions.
Day 1:
Did liver flush pervious day.
No morning erection. Pain on the left side near the glans most of the day.
Sex before bedtime, then wrapped on a cabbage leaf and went to sleep.
Day 2:
Woke with painless erection, removed the cabbage.
15 min Buteyko breath training. CP 32sec before 47sec after.
Not much pain during the day.
Tried 5% Apple cider vinegar diluted with 3 part water on a patch left on the hip throughout the day.
New leaf wrapped before sleep
Day 3
Finished off the liver flush with oxypowder.
Wrapped with cabbage over night.
Less pain but I see now that a daily update on this will make no sense.
I will continue wrapping over night for at least a month and update along the way if anything changes.
You should consider mixing with DMSO so that it actually penetrates the skin and gets to the scar tissue. Additionally have you tried doing traction and VED?
Thanks for the advice, I will try it after a month if the leaves alone does not work. The idea behind using the roller pin on the leaves is to crush the fibers and release the fluids inside so they can penetrate the skin and the tissue beneath. The scar tissue seems to be getting softer already but that may very well be just wishful thinking.
I have tried stretching but gave it up since it increased the pain. Now that the pain seems to be reducing I may retry, but not quite yet.
heimegut:
In my opinion, this will be a waste of your time. Alternative treatments never offered users here much if any relief. And if they did work, doctors would have picked up on it before.
Sounds like something from a comedy skit. Imagine if this actually became a thing that was studied upon.
''The Penile Cabbage Procedure'' Inveted by heimegut from Peyroniesforum.
Thanks for the support guys. Take into consideration that I also plan to use apple cider vinegar. That combined with cabbage smell and a hook shaped penis. Women will be lining up. :)
Regarding wasting my time. According to the urologist all I can do is to wait for the disease to do its thing ( aout a year ) before undergoing surgery. The surgery may be a success and if so I will end up with a straight and functional penis about half the size it used to be.
My point is that I may as well test other not so dramatic solutions while waiting. At least the pain is gone now so I am doing something right. BPFL has recovered by 2/3 of what I lost.
What kind of hackjob uro told you the outcome of your surgery would be to lose half your size? Would definitely suggest you find a new one. Also, you would likely have more success with pentoxifylline or topical verapamil if you insist on using something topical for the penis. Here is an actual study on verapamil https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17367443/ to my knowledge zero evidence the wrapping your dick in cabbage will do anything positive.
Lose half your size? Lmao you need a new uro. I haven't heard of any surgery that results in a 50% length decrease.
Did you guys have any improvement after using verapamil? Side effects? From the reactions here it looks like when I am done with the one month cabbage experiment I will be looking for other options. The 10 day Libyan Olive Oil Cure is another cheap solution that would not take long to rule out, but verapamil could also be considered.
I've kinda been getting a stinging with the verapamil gel almost like I got a sunburn on my dick but it does look more vascular and my erections feel harder I cannot say for sure it is due to the gel though as I am doing a bunch of other things. If I were you I would buy your gel from PDL labs if possible it looks like they actually have an impressive study on their formula and it's penetration into the tunica. I just got mine from a local compounding pharmacy so I don't really know if it's getting into the tissue i need in, being absorbed into my blood stream, or just sitting on my skin lol.
I think this is a great idea.
Thank you for your efforts. Please keep up diary, nothing ventured, nothing gained as the saying goes.
Day 9:
From what I have read lately I got the impression that bandaging joints and muscles with red cabbage is even more effective against inflammation and pain so I wanted to give it a try.
I am very happy that I decided to test a small leaf on my shin before keeping it over night wrapped around my penis. I kept teh leaf on the skin for about one hour. After I removed it the skin beneath had a very strong purple colour tha could not be washed away. This was yesterday and it is still there.
From this I conclude:
-I will keep on using white cabbage. At least until I am desperate enough to not care if my penis is coloured deep purple in addition to all the other stuff going on with it.
-The fluid from the leaf is definitely penetrating the skin, so no need for DMSO yet.
Other than that nothing much has changed. The pain has not returned.
Day 12:
Definitely something going on. The upwards bend is almost gone, but in stead there is now a bend towards the left. The new bend is more of an even curve from the middle of the shaft. The first bend was more like a hinge 2/3 towards the glans.
Dont know if this is good or bad but as long as there is no pain I take it as good news.
Shapeshifting?? Two days ago it started pointing left more or less over night and the upwards bend was less severe.
This morning the leftside bend was gone. The upwards bend still reduced compared to what it was at maximum.
I have my erection thoroughly inspected and evaluated by the same woman every evening and every morning and she is of the same opinion as me about the changes.
Anyone who has experienced these rapid changes?
"From this I conclude:
-I will keep on using white cabbage.
-The fluid from the leaf is definitely penetrating the skin, so no need for DMSO yet."
Not convinced by the logic there :) the purple is from the anthocyanins, it doesn't mean any other substance in the cabbage is penetrating. Plus anthocyanins are probably a major part of the benefit from cabbage, as antioxidants and antiinflammatories.
The stain only means it penetrated into the stratum corneum, not any further. If needs to penetrate right through the epidermis, dermis and then through Bucks fascia, then the Tunica.
I need to see a photo journal on this. If Peyronies Disease can be beaten with a trip to the produce aisle I need to know.
I have followed every post in this thread since it was created and it's like some comedy skit!
Quote from: Sonic on January 14, 2023, 11:08:51 AM
I have followed every post in this thread since it was created and it's like some comedy skit!
😂
I am happy to be entertaining you guys, especially the Swedish bro. :)
I will continue my hopefully short journey back to a life with a normal penis.
If it does not work there is always expensive drugs and scary stretching devices to be explored.
Quote from: projectpd on January 14, 2023, 10:41:04 AM
"From this I conclude:
-I will keep on using white cabbage.
-The fluid from the leaf is definitely penetrating the skin, so no need for DMSO yet."
Not convinced by the logic there :) the purple is from the anthocyanins, it doesn't mean any other substance in the cabbage is penetrating. Plus anthocyanins are probably a major part of the benefit from cabbage, as antioxidants and antiinflammatories.
The stain only means it penetrated into the stratum corneum, not any further. If needs to penetrate right through the epidermis, dermis and then through Bucks fascia, then the Tunica.
Thanks, that is interesting. Maybe it is worth it having a purple penis for a few weeks to test if it is better than the white leaves. :)
Regarding penetration; I have a string like hard structure going along the left side of the shaft and under the glans. It feels like right under the skin but only when penis is flaccid. It showed up shortly after the first plaque. If this is part of the disease then it should be easier to reach topically than the parts that you are describing. In any case it seems softer now.
heimegut:
A forum member above suggested using DMSO to increase skin penetration for applied vinegar. Many people use DMSO as a penetrant or carrying agent for many purposes. Notable examples for skin absorption include multi vitamins and arthiritis medication. If you have an allergy or are sensitive to sulpbur and sulfa drugs, then you may have a negative reaction from DMSO. DMSO is Dimethylsulfoxide, which contains a sulpher oxide anion.
If you know you are not allergic to sulphur, then "bombs away." If you know you are allergic or do not know, then apply a small amount to gauge reaction.
I applaud your creativity for trying this approach with cabbages. It sounds cost effective too!
Then again, I seriously doubt this approach, feels more like a joke than anything else.
Yes, with regards to cost-effectiveness and being subject to well earned ridicule this method is not easy to beat.
We will find out in not so long if it works or not. Valuable information whatever the outcome will be.
Thanks for the advice about DMSO. Unfortunately it seems that it is not sold in my country and that I have to import it from Germany or NL if I want it.
I have been keeping track of BPFL and it has increased by 25% since I started the cabbage wrapping. So I am probably more or less back to normal in that department. The left side bending is gone. The upwards bend is still there. Difficult to say if it is reduced but it is not getting worse, and there is no pain. Sex is possible, some people involved even claim that the bend is a bonus.
No change in the bending department. The upward bend is still there, there is no pain but I am worried and feel a need to be very careful with the angles when having sex.
Another issue has come up. Not necessarily bad but inconvenient, and something that may be of interest to the ED-guys. Since I restarted the breathing excercises 3 weeks ago the extremely hard erections I had last summer have come back and become more and more frequent. These wake me up 3-4 times every night. Last night I had sex before going to sleep, but even after that I woke up 3 times due to erections. There is no pain but the bend is making it more uncomfortable as it is being pushed against the elastic band of the boxer briefs that I am wearing to keep the cabbage in place. I am also worried that this extra tension will make the bend worse.
So I have a really stupid dilemma. Sleep in the nude to avoid the bending stress, but how do I then keep the cabbage in place? Bandage maybe? Chicken out from the cabbage wrapping experiment?
For now I think I will try to make some cuts in the elastic band, maybe it will get enough slack to let it slip past.
Summary of the 4 weeks:
-Pain went away after the first night
-I have had no pain since then
-Bending is probably the same now as when I started
-I have no idea what the temporary left side bending was about, but it is gone now.
So it is not much to conclude from. The cabbage may have helped with the pain. Most likely it had no effect on the bending but may have prevented further development by reducing inflammation (Deducted from the fact that the pain disappeared).
Not much more to say. I think I will use it again if the pain returns to see if the painkilling was just a coincidence.
On another subject: When I tested the red cabbage on my shin I put it directly on a patch of psoriasis that has been cycling there for 6 years. It is about 2x3 inches and usually quite ugly. Anyway, I thought I noticed some change after the purple stain went away and decided to put white cabbage there there every night as well. This was more of a success than the peyro experiment. The patch is now merely a bruise and the skin seems to be returning to normal, ie. it is not thin and fragile like it normally is after the corticosteroid treatments. Just thought I should mention it. Maybe something useful came out of this experiment after all.