Hey people, like a lot of you I'm suicidal. I won't do it unless I'm sure it's the end of the line and at least a little bearable when it comes to pain. I want peacefull death because I dont want this crap to end in more crap and even wake up maybe or whatever.
I don't care about how other cope anymore, I don't care about the sweet little lies women tell me to make me feel better, I dont care about potential "helpfull treatments" (current treatments are garbage and in my opinion do nothing but give you the feeling of accomplishing crap by getting minimal to non-existent results with way too much effort and a result that will never truly make you satisfied cause peyronies doesnt leave like that). All that are helped by things like cialis, pentox, xiaflex, ved, stretching or whatever, I'm really happy for you. But to me it just didnt do anything and ved/stretching even made things worse and painfull no matter how carefull I was.
I also do not care about possible "future" treatments. Unless they can regrow dicks I don't see how it can be fixed.. the tissue is damaged and dead. What could possibly fix it except for real tissue replacement which is way to F^@$!ng complex for 2017. And we all know how it goes. They say 5 years.. then 10 years later they say 10 years again and when we're 40 years further it might be so that there is a mildly effective cream or some crap that barely does anything but is good enough to be approved by the fda.. like xiaflex is.
I'm 22 and feel like I'm already in a life phase I shouldnt be in. Social life sucks without a working penis admit it or not I dont care. I wanna go out and meet girls and crap, but here I am accepting my impotence like an old dieing man who had his best years a loooong time ago.. I could maybe cope if I would also be retired and had no stress, but not likr this.
Anyway, long story short. I wanna die. 99 percent sure. That 1 percent is instinct and false-hope for a future that never arrives and a lot o other small stuff like my cat, my family and other things that I love but without any passion.. I actually dont even act like I love then at all.. I rush all activities and get angry with my family most of the time. I'm a frustrated little crap and honestly, it seems to be the most reasonable reaction to this unreasonably sick torturing and emasculating condition.
Yeah I'm depressed and it might be treatable, but I wont recover from this. I long for an end to this crap. The only problem I'm facing is that I want it to be effective and peacefull. And I want to know if it's possible to get euthenasia for peyronies or the depression/anxiety that goes along with it. Are there more like me? Are there reported suicide's or euthenasia's from people who suffered from impotence/peyronies? Do you feel the same? Is there room for this taboo subject even though it seems fair to me to end it all for myself and my family. Face it.. there is no "good" in this situation. I can do good but it will make me more angry and frustrated. If I was the writer of my own story (which I basically am) I wouldve killed myself a long time ago. I dont think mentally overcomming impotence is overcomming it at all. It's like mentally overcomming loneliness or pain or whatever. "Wow good job for pushing trough the pain! It's still there forever though.. new day, same struggle's. In the end you overcame nothing." That's what pops in my head all the time and it's F^@$!ng true.
popopo, Take it from me who has had depressive episodes (work related) you need to get a referral to a psychiatrist. I was initially prescribed Prozac, and absolutely hated it, left me feeling zombie like and not caring to even wash and dress.
My GP referred me to a counsellor for talking therapy after which I no longer needed anti-depressants.
I urge you to seek professional help not only for you but for your families sake, all members here are listening and I am sure we feel helpless for you, please recognise that and make positive decisions.
Please continue to make regular posts.
Wait for medicine to get better.
Meanwhile - take pentox.
Been there done that. I'll get into a group for body dysmorphia and I'll get frustrated and angry during theraphy because the therapies literally are BS. Maybe not to you, but to me. Also, again.. I personally, like many many many men, feel that life sucks without a penis and I would rather die. I already get "some" help, but the theraphy they try to get me to is a group of body dysmorphic disorder sufferers and it pisses me off. They F^@$!ng act like it's ALL mental and I'm there wih people that worry about crap like if their face is symmetrical 100 percent of the time otherwise hey won't be THE best looking person in the room which would be horrible. Meanwhile these ppl still get laid while I CANNOT. I dont want to be treated in the same way. That aint helping, that will just make me more frustrated. I actually tried it just like anti depressants and I HONESTLY would rather die than try another *fake* solution cause theraphy is. Why th F~@< woukd I want to grt to 30 like this man? Be real.. I already have crappy testosterone, look average at best and I'm probably bald by the time my dick can be fixed. I'm almost bald right now man crap.. never had the chance to picknup girls being a young man. I gotta get my elderly male groove on and try to hit it with the old ladies I suppose?? Sorry.. but I'm nit craxy, just realistic. I think this is suicide worthy and I just really hope I can do it in a nicer way than shootig myself trough the head and euthenasia is more peacefull. I also think we as people should be able to choose life or death. This is not "absurd", I have all the right to call my life shite. So do you, but you can also love life, it's what you feel and I respect that. I on the other hand feel NOTHING but misery and I want to get over that. And since there is NO WAY of besting life in the long run, becayse we all die, I dont see why I would even go to theraphy. And I want to take pentox. But for what? Like I said these a$$hole docs still didnt diagnose me properly.
Don't let my age fool you, I'm quite aware of what life has to offer me and the hands I've been dealt. I also know how tharaphy works and how my life wouldn't actually improve, I'd just feel better. If I could be the happiest man in the planet, but I'd still be impotent.. no wait.. that's not my thng. Sorry.. that is just either not going to happen, or it is, but I actually dont even want that to happen. I just rather be "nobody" than the impotent guy. I think my deah is justified, it's the only way I can really control the outcome of this and I think there is really really really no reason for a man to live if he can't have sex anymore and I don't care how others feel about it. No, oral and figereis foreplay, not F^@$!ng sex.maybe its sex for lesbians, but for a hetero couple its foreplay. I want to be what a man is.. someone with a penis. See? I'm just being real because I wont tell myself the little white lies the F^@$!ng psychiatrists will tell me.
Hey... there is a member of the board FT, that killed himself because of ED. He posted on the board, a couple of days before he hung himself on the hotel room he was staying in. It was a shame, since he was so close to getting an implant.
You can get one too, and solve this. Good luck!
Sorry, I don't think you want to listen, just rant over this >:(
Take some time out and then return to the forum, posts are becoming more and more negative.
When you have seen both your parents pass away in front of you (I nursed my mother for several years due to Alzheimers) then peyronie's (for me) is nothing but a distraction. I am truly thankful for every day after seeing someone who was so independent having to depend on me for everything, becoming an adult baby, but at least a baby can still learn, Alzheimers means bereavement before death :'( Death is something you never ever get over.
I have said possibly too much, I am not looking for sympathy, in the end only you can help yourself, take from that what you will
I appreciate your imput and I'm sorry for your loss. I'm negative and I agree that I cannot see it any other way. I try to be positive, but honestly.. it's not like things are changing. I've been here for years now. And yeah my mood is changing and I don't care if people think it's weak. This life is weak. And yeah I feel sad for my parents andI feel guilt and grief, but I didnt choose this. They could be mad at me for doing it, but that makes as much sense as me getting mad at them for being put on this world. I grt what you're saying paolo. Do you get what I'm saying too? Also, maybe you're not an atheist like me and then I can see how you think every life is precious, but if this is all whats the point? Pryronies only issue either, I have horrible floaters and some other minor annoyances, but add it all up and I get tired and anxious all day. Hard to relax when your dick hurts, you can barely see and you know you'll be alone in the next years. Your xperience may differ and I respect that. Respect my opinion too please even if it's taboo.
An implant is hardly ideal. I dont need this, I'm insecure enough without a plastic tube inside me.
Thanks popopo, I guess we need to walk in each others shoes, so to speak to appreciate our unique situations :).
True, but one thing we have in common and that's peyronies. I just hope we'll get that fixed one day because I think it will take the sharpest edges of the whole situation. It's not the be all end all solution, but then again, what is? Life never stands still, but being able to have sex and be intimate again without shame would be a pretty neat distraction from the harsh realities of life. It's not all bad, but I miss that a lot and I just hope one day I can be the lucky guy for once.
What about amputation? I've been thinking about it as the pain has become umbereable..
Guys, sorry, but this is way over the top. I was in a major depressive episode from an early age on. Most of my childhood and early teens consisted of me wishing to un-exist. I can understand your "reasoning" here. Except that your reasoning and perspective is flawed. That's what depression does to people. They only see stuff from a negative and hopeless feedback thinking loop.
First of all, it's only your penis. Hate other people for forcing the wrong masculinity perspective on society and you, if that helps. But that's just a minuscule part of what makes one a loving person. Care for others, care for your beliefs, give back gratitude you receive. Life is fleeting for all of us. You may plant a seed of good intentions in the people you're surrounded by or give them grief. Whatever, your impression in life is what sparks actions beyond your existence. Not your dick. On a cosmic scale you are just a blink in the eye of whatever you believe in....or the universe or what. Try to infect at least some people near you with love that will propagate.
Other than that: get therapy. If one therapist isn't working, get another one. Go to a damn pain clinic, if you are having pain. There are even special departments for chronic pain patients, that offer medicine in combination with therapy.
Shift your perspective. No one other than you will be able to do that. It's only your dick.
PS: If this sounds rude, sorry. I learned from experience that if you are determined to go through with this, I won't make a difference with anything I'm saying, either way.
Its not only your penis. Its your identity. Those people who say is only a penis... not is only a penis is your life F~@<
Yeah, it's easier to ask for euthanasia and amputation, than reconsidering your beliefs. Nevertheless, if it brings you pain, you *might* consider this. Ask yourself if that's what you truly are or if that's what someone else has taught you or society is expecting.
Sorry, but, it's just not your identity. It's what you made out of it. Your identity and self awareness is in your brain. And that has neuroflexibility.
Like, I'm also affected by this whole situation. My dick and sexuality surely is a part of me, but I won't go down with life for this? There are enough other things to do, while you wait for therapy options to appear.
I just don't get why someone would rather be dead than try an implant. They work really well from most reports that I have seen.
I always viewed that option as the 6-billion-dollar man way out. We can rebuild him ;D
I asked my doc recently and he told me the newer models are lasting way up to 20 years. Why not? It's a valid option if everything else fails.
But that's my whole point. The reasoning is flawed. Either because of depression or media/parent constant manly brainwash f*kup.
I see your point. Just to be clear I m not the kind of guy who depression leads him to feel like doing nothing. I really want to do many things. I do sports, I remain active as possible as I can, I try to do whatever I can but all narrowed to a brief window of time as pain rapidly take me over. I graduated and I m applying to a post degree course in my hometown that includes a big array of study abroad opportunities. I'm applying to do one semester in Japan as well, just because I can't stop daydreaming. So yes, I'm studying japanese and I'm C1 in portoguese, French and English. I'm even depositing a patent for something I ve been working on..
I'm not bragging, I just want to be clear. And when it comes to therapy, you'll struggle to find somone who tried more than me. I travelled all around Europe so many times..and so many times I've been totally let down. I had three straightening surgeries and after each of them I found myself worse than before (I'm talking about pain). I have a giant stitch pushing against the nerves..do you think I did not see any pain.related doctor? I'm taking medicines but as long as the monster pushes that's the way it is. A nerve mess.
What I really lack is feeling free to do what I want. I am so miserable that I'm frightened every time I have to go to the restroom (no explanation needed)..sometimes I chose stinking over having a shower. I had one yesterday, I cried later.
So I'm totally with popopoo, and I still think.that my option might be good. I
I will never pick an implant and I'm sure who goes for it never experienced severe nerve pain. Urologists who offer it do not see the problem as well as they are all limited to their limited perspective and field: straightening and ED. It's the only thing that matters to them. They wreck your nerves? It's not their business."Just go to a neurologist!"
@jack: well amputation in that state is a different thing than killing yourself. I was nagging about that mainly. There may be other treatment options regarding pudendal nerve blocks or implants or local cutting of nerves that cause your pain. That would be the field for a clinical neurosurgeon.
I suppose combining an implant and nerve blocking would be efficient in preventing pain and still getting psychological satisfaction out of PIV intercourse to satisfy a partner.
All discussion is valuable here. I'm not devaluing your point of view or efforts. But there are definitely ways out of chronic pain to an externally reachable part of your body somehow. Pulling out the suicide hammer first before trying all the stuff available is just not wise. And it leaves a strange impression on new members reading this, leading to catastrophic thinking. I feel the language reading "killing myself" has increased a bit in the recent weeks or months. That's why I was intervening like this.
I know the pain demographic here greatly varies and it's few people who are in a constant state of agony. I'm empathic with your situation and really wish for improvement regarding your current state.
Quote from: Tychy on July 11, 2017, 03:26:22 AMAnd it leaves a strange impression on new members reading this, leading to catastrophic thinking.
Tychy, couldn't agree more, perfectly worded and dangerous for guests visiting this site, this site should be a beacon of
hope and
aspiration, let's shelve this as there are endless points of view, a guest visiting this site should
feel calmed and inspired, not disillusioned (more) with life :)
The reason I dont want an implant is because I still lost size, I dont know if feeling will return to normal, I doubt it. I already have chronic testicle pain and a tube down there isnt goingg to make that better. And I'm still active too, but it doesnt fix peyronies. And yes the penis is a big part of our identity. I can see what you're saying tychy. But your beliefs are nothing but a "trend" too. It's the newest thing to all go into theraphy and blame everything on our "perception" and the flawed and toxic masculine thinking.. please... those social justice warriors and third wave feminist lefties are the worst. And I used to be a lefty myself, but this new wave of losers blaming society is the worst. Look man... it's not media or society or whatever. It's biology.. I dont care what people think of me. I only care what girls I want to have sex with think of me, because if they think I'm a loser I cannot have sex or a relationsship. I hate having to be alone for this. I would also hate to be in a relationsship with a girl I cannot have sex with. These feelings are not because of the media or society. I had a dick, I feel this way since the age of 12 and my OWN completely natural desires will never be fullfilled. In my opinion it's he other way around... society nowadays acts like its normal NOT to get your desires fullfilled. Back then we had e church to keep less blessed folks content and chilled out even though life sucked for them, now its theraphy. It's just another way to keep society well structured and to "help" the weak without actually helping. Society didnt train women to like big cock for example.. we have bigger dicks on average than all primates even though we have a common anscestor. In other words... natural selection made the human male's penis bigger. So what does that mean? from an evolutionary stand point it means for whatver the reason is, hung males where better able to spread their genetic material makeing the human population more hung on average. The shoulder to hip ratio is also somehing thats scientifically proven to affect masculinity and therefore attractiveness. High testosterone is attractive to females too and well these examples.. often people say its because of the media and society and all that, but be real people. If you even have a slight knowlecge of the animal kingdom and biology than you know these masculine traits are attractive to any women, brainwashed or not. Its pathetic to think otherwise, like the fat feminists who look like 50 years old men and think its society makeing them appear unattractive. Get real people. Even if that means some people will nit be valuad anymore, its the harsh reality. Now if you want to be positive AND stay real than I can see how I could still contribute to society in other ways, but I dont want to work hard to help a world that I do not belong in. Even if all this is "crazy or flawed" I still think I'm closer to the truth than the "healthy" theraphy addicts.
I do agree about the impression, but thats all it really is. Its not nice to talk about it like this, its not nice to see it this way and its sad and not helpfull. It still doesnt mean I'm wrong, but sorry for (possibly) discouraging others. It was never my intentionnthough, I just think its important to be able to talk about this taboo subject openly, because yes.. I think its pretty rough that this chronic problem only takes the mental part of my life, but not the physical one. Its a disease with no end. It doesnt kill, just drives men insane. I honestly think suicide is tragic and dont want wnybody else to do it here so thsts not the goal, BUT I dont want people to tell me Im wrong for feelig this way cause I'm not. Euthenasia is different from jumping in front of a train and the more open we can talk about these issues, the better because that way some people who will die anyway can do it more peacefully AND MORE IMPOTANTLY wihout failing. Failing a suiciee attempt is not luck or a sign from god or whatever. Its pure hell and could leave you worse off than before.
Sorry Tycy but you are proposing me to block a nerve damaging it further and insert an implant in order to have some kind of psychological pleasure deriving from pleasing a partner..that's sounds to me more insane than suiciding...
It also tells us how deviated by the medicine you all are and how far from thinking freely. You are telling me I am supposed to wreck all the functional erectile tissue remaining and shut my nerves down just to avoid a life of loneliness. Well, if you are willing to do something like this, you are weak.
If only we had not turned off our ability to judge things by logic, maybe today crap like implants would not be in the market. But we preferred a world in which science wins over logic in a way that devastating penile tissue to give people the penetrative act back it's more than ok. No matter what..
It's not about spreading pessimism, it's about the fact this forum is clearly divided in groups. It's not like a hair loss forum.
Some belong to that one involving middle aged man hit by peyronies but still able to do have some kind of intercourse.
Others have it to an extent they barely get out of the bed.
Thus, some have it up to 50 years old and others still in their twenties. Probably these ones should create a different group as despite it's the same disease, having it when you are still in the college or at the high school makes all the difference of world.
That being said, I respect everyone pain..
I disagree. Of course evey case is different, but I think most men are hurt by the disease because in one way or another it affects their potency. I think I'd probably feel the same if I was 40, but maybe I'd move on if I had a wife and kids by that time. I got this at age 18 and never got over it so could be that that plays a huge role in me not accepting this. I also have a history of seein crappy doctors who told me its in my head mostly. I feel psychologically tortured by this "I dont care" attitude from doctors, while I still have pain on and off. Idk what's wrong, but it keeps progressing on and off, but according to the doc it's impossible because I only have minor scar tissue and it would not get any worse. Thing is.. that was 2/3 years ago and I dont recognize my oenile shape anymore. It's been hurting and getting more deformed over the years and only now I'm getting a proper exam and diagnosis. They still wont be able to help me they told me so wtf? Feel pretty crappy when the average member of this forum offers more help than any doctor I've seen. And yes I should take mym own action and I did befpre, but I have "body dysmorphia" so you can imagine what a doc will say to me if I hurt myself even more trying to use a ved or traction. I hurt myself before and nobody will help me, they would even tell me thst its yet another indication that I have bdd. Its a canundrum or whatever you call it and I'm sick of this "help" from "doctors" that only makes me worse.
@popopo: strongly worded. I, for myself, hate this safe space movement and SJWs, so don't put me in the same category.
@both: I hope you find salvation from your pain. Either way. You already have made up your minds. It's meaningless discussing the situation with you, it seems, as you totally ignore even getting in the right mood to think about your position from another point of view.
Also you won't get any suicide tips or extreme body mod instructions from me and I hope nobody here does. There are other forums that fit this mindset more.
I always felt we are a scientific and experience discussion community with an additional mental support, if you're down. Not as a bringer of self destruction.
/lastpost - mic drop
It's meaningless? I think you missed some of the passages I wrote down. What is supposed to think a person who has been persecuted by doctors over a decade? This is not a suicide, this is killing a person under the cloak of legality. I just had a congenital curvature in a healthy penis that has been turned into a disable freak..you tell me to get a surgey to have the work completed. what you expected? Get out the bubble you live in...
The only thing meaningless is this forum (great forum indeed, seriously) is this section. It's sickening and make you feel worse.
Hey Popopo,
I agree with you that lots of what we find physically attractive is biologically determined and societal attempts to re-engineer that are dumb. I find young women with nice skin, symmetrical faces and large breast/ butts attractive. It's true, I am an ape and I can't change that.
But I also find unintelligent or humorless women to be terribly unattractive, regardless of their physical qualities and I never assume I'll find a partner who checks off all my desired physical traits anyways. I like big breasts, but most of the women I've dated don't have big breasts. They had other attributes, including non-physical ones, I liked so I didn't care. I am sure that even my pre-peyronies dick wasn't their ideal either. Or my face, or my skin, or my shoulder-hip ratio or my lame jokes or my whatever else.
My point is that human attraction is not some simple, biologically pre-determined thing that we are all slaves to. Especially for women, who traditionally find things beyond physical attractiveness to be important. I think we can all find women who won't care about, or even like, our weird dicks, even if those dicks have to be artificially pumped up. It's not ideal, but you can find happiness and love in less than ideal situations.
And have you actually talked to many women about penis size? Most women truly don't consider it nearly as much as we think. This is not me regurgitating feminist propaganda or whatever, I have lots of female friends and I've straight up asked them before. Honestly, most do not care, unless maybe when they're dealing with a very small penis. Yeah there are some size queens and lots of girls might have sex with a big dick on occasion, but most are indifferent if their partner is 4 inches or 6 inches or 8 inches, so long as he's got lots of other attributes they desire.
One of my most beautiful friends – she could have been a model – even told me she actually likes a smaller to average sized dick because she doesn't like feeling "stretched out." It's cliché but women genuinely want a good personality, humor, drive, kindness, ability to provide etc. more than a giant schlong. They also don't think of sex as being focused on the penis in the same way we do.
I know you have your biological arguments, but again I find this idea that all women crave giant cocks because of evolutionary biology to be reductive. A 4 inch penis is much bigger than most primates, both literally and relative to body size. So what? Does that mean that most human women are looking for Peter North as their ideal partner? That's a stretch. Our larger penises are probably the result of sexual selection, but that could just mean that human women like looking at a slightly larger members than orangutan females. I doesn't mean that guys with smaller members are incredibly unattractive and undesirable to most human women. Considering how few men have dicks bigger than 7 inches, it would seem to indicate that is not biologically desirable or at least not important.
I know you're dealing with a lot, including pain, which is the worst. I get the frustration and anger, but just like the SJWs you rail against, you should consider that you are also bringing your own biases to this and there are other ways of looking at these issues. Have a little compassion for yourself and a little more openness to what women might actually want/desire because it's not so straight-forward. First and foremost, I would focus on resolving your pain though. I have been my most despondent when the pain is bad. If you can manage that than I think you can have a renewed outlook.
"Most women truly don't consider it nearly as much as we think. This is not me regurgitating feminist propaganda or whatever, I have lots of female friends and I've straight up asked them before. Honestly, most do not care, unless maybe when they're dealing with a very small penis. Yeah there are some size queens and lots of girls might have sex with a big dick on occasion, but most are indifferent if their partner is 4 inches or 6 inches or 8 inches, so long as he's got lots of other attributes they desire.
One of my most beautiful friends – she could have been a model – even told me she actually likes a smaller to average sized dick because she doesn't like feeling "stretched out." It's cliché but women genuinely want a good personality, humor, drive, kindness, ability to provide etc. more than a giant schlong. They also don't think of sex as being focused on the penis in the same way we do."
This is a true statement.
Stabler67
Quote from: Toronto34 on July 11, 2017, 11:14:48 AM
Considering how few men have dicks bigger than 7 inches, it would seem to indicate that is not biologically desirable or at least not important.
Did you heard about 20/80 rule? 20% of guys who are well hung can F^@% 80% of girls, while other 80% of small or average guys need to fight for 20% of girls. It's very sad but this is a true "red pill". I'm sorry, I didn't want to offend any of you guys. I'm in the same crap.
As for womens... Unfortanatelly, they're may said "size doesn't matter", but it's just a sweet lie, in their minds they're thinking quite different.
@popopo, my man, please answer on my message in PM box, I'll be waiting.
Just because someone came up with a catchy sounding rule it does not mean it has any basis in reality. Is there any scientific study that backs that 80/20 rule up? Would that even be possible? Also, how would a woman know how big a guy's dick is before she sleeps with him? Sure, women share secrets but there's not an active directory of men's penis sizes out there.
Look I am bigger than average, but I've never got a woman by telling her that or showing her a picture (try that, see how it goes...). I get them by talking them, listening to them, making them laugh, having fun with them. I have a friend who used to brag about all the girls he got with his "pin prick." He wasn't even good looking and did way better than me.
Physiologically speaking, this idea that all women crave big cocks is dumb as well. I actually dated someone and our sex life suffered because she was too small for me. It sucked, because it kind of hurt too much for both of us. She actually said I was too big for her and not in a fun, sexy, porn way. She was upset and felt like there was something wrong with her. I am not even that big and I was too big for her. It F^@$!ng sucked.
On the opposite side, I've also been with a woman and it felt like I was sliding a hot dog down a hallway. She could've handled a guy twice my size, and probably preferred that, but we still had fun.
Human relationships aren't so simple, guys. You can't reduce them to numbers or easily explain them with theories about evolutionary biology. I've dated a lot and I've seen lots of different women, with lots of different body types. I like all shapes and sizes, so why would women be different? I've also grown attracted to women, I initially found unattractive. Humans are animals and we have animal desires, but we're more complicated than that.
Also consider that you've been fed some BS as well. Yeah, some women care about size, but have you also considered that there's countless companies trying to profit off men who have insecurity about size? They sell pills and extenders and whatever else, usually advertising on porn sites where we are bombarded with images of gigantic dicks non-stop. There's a whole industry that wants you to feel inadequate so they can profit off of you.
I get this Peyronies stuff sucks. I am developing new insecurities about my body I never had before. It's already killed one relationship for me and not because she had a problem with my penis but because of my insecurities. I told her flat out my peyronies, said it could get worse and told her she could leave me now and I'd understand but she was like, "I don't care." In the end I felt so unconfident about how my penis looked and was working so I pulled away. She ended it because I wouldn't even try not because I didn't meet some ideal of hers. I won't make that mistake again.
Toronto is absolutely right. 100%.
PooPoo,
I get the way this condition screws with your head. I've and most of us have been there to some extent or another. I am going to give you two very sound reasons why you should listen to your 1% and kick the 99% to the curb. 1st: Killing yourself is extremely selfish. The pain and misery that occurs for the people you leave behind is the ultimate in selfishness and shows a lack of caring for your loved ones. 2nd: From a Christian perspective, killing yourself would send you to a life of eternal misery. You can always ask for forgiveness, except if you kill yourself. If you think peyronies is painful, think about eternity in constant misery with others wailing and gnashing their teeth. You have to pick yourself up and fight through this.
Toronto you say all this and state you are abobe average yourself. I was too and felt small then so you cannot imagine how I feel being IMPOTENT, instead of just small. All the sex talk makes no sense anymore cause like I said I'm unable to.
Second, I disagree with the 20/80 rule alexsamo said when it comes to penis size.. thst is not alk there is, HOWEVER, it's definitely true if you take these numbers and instead of using penis size, use a combination of penis size AND testosterone. Gues what mt other issue is? Damn right, low-normale test levels thst are too high for trt and too low to feel optimal. Nobody will perscribe me test, but everybody tells me its far from optinal too. Form a biological pov I AM f'~c<+d, get real.
QuackAttack, I think I already said I'm an atheist and yeah I can see that from a christian point of view its ALWAYS worth it to live. Let me tell you this.. if I go to hell for this I cannot imagine satan being the bad guy. Think about that man. I'm open to believing there is a god, but it's just not realistic. When was the last time a prayer worked? Try looking up the statistics on that.. can you find a study that proves praying works? And how about harlequin disease for example huh?
I appreciate all your input and believe me I try to take it all very seriously, but the god part is the worst man.. really quack attack... if god was real, why woukd he F~@< us.. how does darwinism make sense then? How does science make sense? If god is real then what are genes? Whats the point? Why did god decide person A is superior to person B even when person B is more pure and nicer etc.? Why does trump become president and african babies dont live till age 5???? Wake up man. Not trying to be an ass, but let's assume god is there and he IS almighty? Why does he abandon loads and loadsof people that dont abandon him? Why did god create gay people or sick people? Or is that "satans work"? I think not because god created men right? Then why did he purposely make mistakes? He literally made some people in such a way that they have no choice but to sin. Doesn't that mean he knows ahead of time you're goinf to hell or not? I mean.. its bad enough thst he sends people to hell because he's too good to save the maggots. But it's worse when you know he created us all so HE makes us sin. If this is all a test, then why does he test some harder than others? The more I thibk about it the more I believe god is a more arrogant version of satan.. why? Theyre actuallt the same. Powerfull beings ruling men, except satan is real about being an ass while god is an ass, but acts like a hero. I dont wanna offend you honestly I do not, but before telling me I'm selfish and will burn in hell, explain this all for me.
The truth is that we cannot imagine dieing as we live, but the closer we get to death because the pain is building the more we long for it. And we all get that time which is why sayong suicide is bad is rediculous. We all die and the thought thst after this there is "nothing" is scary, but the point the pain becoming unbearable is when we realize this "nothingness" is a blessing. That's why death is death and life is life. There is no after life and then another afterlife after thst life etc etc. This aint disneyland and by the way.. wouldnt heaven be a little full right now?
I am not sure of where all this dialog is going. If this forum is as great as you all say it is.... then it is here to help and to be positive for people. As I read through these posts all I hear and feel is anger. I am sorry that some have been dealt a bad hand, and that some have had bad outcomes. But much of what is being said are people's opinions and feelings. And continuing to discuss it hear is not solving anything. I am sorry, and I feel bad for certain ones here who are dealing with pain and feel they have nothing left.
I believe in this forum, and free speech. And right now is the only thing keeping from deleting this whole thread. IF some of you want to argue over this I would ask you do it through PM's to each other and not openly here.
You should not delete or close this thread. Here are the authentic feelings of the people who are going through this, which many in society do not want to hear, or minimize, even some urologists.
This sub-point goes on the psychological aspect and this is what many feel. Why hide it? Is not this just one of the problems with this disease? That many people do not speak publicly because of shame and that society does not know what we feel about who we have this, we should not minimize this disease and less we should hide what we feel many only because it is hard to hear it, to do that would be to step back, hide what we feel and speak privately without being able to show it to the public is a mistake.
The sooner it can be seen and heard that it is what many people feel when we go through this, before society will realize that it is not just a penis, it is a great part of your life, of your being, and maybe and only maybe so some doctors work harder to find a solution.
I sincerely believe that this post should not be closed or deleted, it is necessary for people to know how many we feel
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Thanks skunkwork, your article actually made a difference and gave me a little hope. The christianity bs made me worse and the attitude some people have is not optimistic, but plain blissfull ignorance.
Les, never think of deleting a thread or posts again please :)
It is very necessary for other strugglers to know that there are people who feel exactly the same or are going through simmilar difficulties, even if they have the darkest thoughts.
Moreover, you can see some problems from a different angle thanks to replies from very wise and skilled persons here on the forum and it has always been very delightful to read.
Jack1909 posted very inspirational post about studying new languages, applying for schools far abroad, generally being active despite his great struggling.
Also the wonderful female member Stabler keeps posting wonderful ideas relentlessly again and again to all the guys in troubles.
I have been here for 10 years already and back in 2007 there was this young guy with a nickname "antony". He had severe condition with impotence near to 100 percent. He was posting very sad and hopeless posts and it was always great to read what Hawk and other wise men were writing him back.
Thank you.
There is a book called "feeling good" by David burns that has helped me with depression (which I have had problems with for much if my life.) I go back to it when I get low, and I've recommended it to at least 20 people since finding in 2000. May not help with the Peyronie's but will help you deal. Good luck!
Lester
The story of Antony only gets me to depress even more, his messages are from 2007 and he said "what I do I hope 10 years that the dr atala can regenerate the tunica ?, I do not want to wait ten years" and now we are here 10 years later and atala does not say anything new, and we are waiting another ten years and if within ten years we spend like antony and we are equal, F~@< that crappy stories. How did the story of Antony finish? Does anyone know?
He had some serious condition with suspensory lingament involved and almost no erection at all. I was having some PM conversations with him back from 2007 to 2009. Last message he sent me was on June 20th 2009 and that is also the last time he was online on the forum. His last sentence was he was tempted to try some chinese herbs, arginine, massages, ved etc..
I have no idea what's going on with him now.
Quote from: lessor on August 07, 2017, 03:48:29 PM
The story of Antony only gets me to depress even more, his messages are from 2007 and he said "what I do I hope 10 years that the dr atala can regenerate the tunica ?, I do not want to wait ten years" and now we are here 10 years later and atala does not say anything new
I have same thoughts as you have. In 2007 he's probably thought that in next 10 years this problem would be solved. Now, ten years later in 2017 we are on absolutely same place as 10 years ago. If someone says me that in next 10 years things will be as same as 10 years or 20 or 30 years ago, I'll probably commit suicide in next year, when I turn 27. It's a terrible world we live in. I'm also wondering like "why almost every guy who introduce himself on this forum, says that before Peyronies Disease he was 7.5" or 8" or even 9" in length?" WTF guys??? Isn't a statistical average erect length is like 5.5" to 6.5"? Why so many guys with pornstar size? Or all these statistics of average penis size is a BS?
I see it like this, we are doomed, I feel like dead in life
Yes, BS, the average US penis is 5.7" Inches, don't believe any less :)
Quote from: lessor on August 07, 2017, 07:54:55 PM
I see it like this, we are doomed, I feel like dead in life
I think there are many treatments on their way. Dr kuehhas I spoke with recently is confident as well..let's see
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Like what, for example?
Dr Kuehhas operated on me some 20 months ago. I had a completely sexually unusable penis. A serious curvature, with ED too.
It has been a long road, but 20 months later I'm pretty much back to what I used to be - maybe 1cm or so down on size.
The recovery is very much in your own hands ( pun intended) manual stretching, traction, VED. At one stage I thought I would never see a good erection again. But 30 mins per day of VED, plus keeping fit, supplements, etc.have sorted that one out too.
My apologies for the lengthy diatribe, but I hope it shows there is a light at the end. Yes, it's not cheap, and yes it requires a positive attitude and determined application from you, but it's possible.,
Hi guys, I'm new in here. Is there really something as euthanasia for people with Peyronie's, even if they're young? It seems highly unlikely to me. As I understand, euthanasia is only for people who want to die with dignity (because of a major disease, not a condition like Peyronie's) and for people with major depression. I understand the lack of hope and dispair of you guys. I'm myself 23, and it does not look like I will live a happy life at all. But even with this, I don't think that it is plausible for me to receive something as euthanasia (even though there are moments in which I would really like to). I hope that they will find a cure in the next years, but it looks like it will take a long time! If anyone want to talk with me about this I will be very happy to hear from you!
Àlex
Alex,
This thread was started by one of the people on the forum that is suicidal. Unfortunately, discussions like this really don't move the ball forward in a positive direction. No, there is not euthanasia for Peyronies, it is a depressed state of mind speaking. If you haven't gone to a urologist that deals with Peyronies, then you should find a competent urologist, get an ultrasound and find out what your treatment options are at this point. I, personally, think Xiaflex is the pest option out there and the sooner you start the better. Research shows if you start Xiaflex prior to plaque calcification, the success rate is better. You should use traction and the Penimaster Pro is definitely the way to go. VED would also be helpful. Stay away from the creams and supplements that claim success.
It depends where you live and what doctor you speak to. Like you said, it can be done for major depression. Personally I think this is kind of a big deal and after dealing with this for 5 years and being unable to work or even relax in a social setting, the anger outbursts, the frustration, the sleepless nights and the on and off addiction for weed tells me I'm probably majorly depressed. I have more crap than just peyronies, but I'd kill to have my penis back so I think that's probably the biggest factor since I wouldnt kill for anything else.
ED and Peyronies is a minor disease Alexbi Yeaah..WTF
And that one of us say this .. then we pretend that society takes us seriously, that doctors take this problem seriously, and that they can fix the lives of so many of us that we are getting closer and closer to doing something that if it is not because of this condition we would never think
Guys in theirs 20-30 yo and our life is over, we can not have sex anymore, some have never been able to have it, and you say minor disease.. maybe you have a minor disease but many here are with pain, extreme curvature shortening ED, with their life destroyed or near and some we are in our 20s 30s.
Some drink to not think, others take drugs, others find solutions others do not, some resist and others do not and commit suicide..
So minor disease please F^@%, if we, who have it and know how hard and disgusting this disease is, we say this, after no one is surprised when doctors and society tell us it's just a penis lives with it
I'd rather die than live dead and this disease for a man is almost the worst, so yes euthenasia should be an option or in the end I probably finish with a gun :)
Hi Suicidecomingsoon. In any moment I said that Peyronie's is something MINOR. I said that euthanasia is usually used for people with terminal diseases and major depression. Although I'm currently living the psychological effects of this condition, I wouldn't say that the depression caused by this could NECESSARILY be as devastating as the effects of sexual abuse or a mental condition (which are the few cases in which I have seen that euthanasia is used for people with depression). Having said that, I know that every person is different, so maybe the psychological effect of peyronie's could completely crush a person's life, and then euthanasia could be used in that case. So, at the end, euthanasia could be used for major depression caused by Peyronie's, not for Peyronie's itself. Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly in the other comment. I take Peyronie's very seriously, and I know that it can be devastating to have it.
Quackattack, I'm sorry to have reopened this post, I just saw the title and got curious.
ÀlexBl -- Dude, don't apologize.
One of the purposes of the Forum is for men to be able to discuss things. 99.999% of what is stated on this Forum is mere opinion, someone's opinion is what we read. Why not include your opinion! Do it!
And, it's ok to not have a fully developed thought. That's where discussion comes in.
Not every reader of the Forum will read every word you write, but will instead react to key words and overlook your actual message. It's to be expected on a Forum where men are suffering the mental, physical, and sexual side effects of all things bent dick. Don't be intimidated by it. When a guy dishes it out, he better be able to take some back. Of course, within the rules of proper etiquette here on the Forum.
Keep your opinions and discussions coming!
About euthanasia, I'll add my opinion: On life's spectrum of any topic, we humans fill the entire spectrum. For example, from the earth's population of 3 billion people, let's gather every person whose favorite color is "purple." Now let's sort these folks by the hue or variation of purple that they adore as their favorite, and you'd have a color spectrum ranging from barely visible purple to the deepest dark. Probably thousands of variations, and as humans, they'd no doubt BE ARGUING over which colors are actually considered purple; valuable; etc.
Now let's connect all things curved dick and the subject of euthanasia. A full spectrum of opinion.
My opinion highlights worldview. If a man truly believes that all women should bow to his dick, and that's all that women are good for, then that man can (and probably should) choose euthanasia. From my perspective he is a walking hazard and impediment to human civilization. Cleansing of the gene pool is a good thing.
If a man truly believes that his dick is the center of the universe and there's no life without the dick (which is merely his opinion and not a universal truth), then first of all I'd feel sorry for him. I've lived the struggle of the curved dick. I've lived through the insecurities, the thoughts of being a second-class-male, the thoughts that no woman would ever want me. The thoughts that I'd spend my whole life not knowing about a sexual relationship with a woman. All because of the dick. These thoughts had a big impact on who I am, how I think about myself.
But, they were merely my internal thoughts and did NOT have much connection to reality -- as life has proved to be no where near as shallow as my self-centered, dick-centric thoughts.
To the woman who would become my wife, I disclosed right up front: "Ahem...there's a thing I need to tell you...you need to know so you can make a decision about whether or not I'm the right one for you. You know how us guys have a dick, and, well, mine is curved. Actually it is quite curved (as I make an arc through the air with my hand). This could limit your sexual fulfillment. You might not even like looking at it." That was about as far as I got when she stopped me and told me that there was so much more to life. For her young age, she seemed full of life's wisdom. She said that there was so much life to enjoy, memories to make, a lifetime of journey to create, and that while she looked forward to some kind of intimacy with me, that intimacy might take other forms. Right then and there she said that if intimacy was giving each other full body rubs, or snuggling and kissing, or just holding hands -- she'd consider herself blessed -- if it just meant being with me.
30 years later we are still quite happily married, and she has always demonstrated love, patience, kindness toward me and my dick. Intimacy surely has been obtained by all variety of other things, all unrelated to my dick.
With 3 billion humans on the planet, and half of those being women, let's consider the spectrum of human desire for sex. If we gathered 1.5 billion women and lined them up according to world view (like the sentiments my wife expressed) combined with sexual desire (which my wife is right up there, she likes sexual intimacy), we'd find women all the way on the left of the spectrum who have zero desire and no zest for life, all the way to the other end of the spectrum. There are 1.5 billion women!! If a man doesn't know any of the hundreds of millions of women in the middle of the spectrum, then that man needs a kick in the ass to get out there and move to a bigger pond.
There is no shortage of women who are looking for a good man. There could be a shortage of men willing to go on an adventure and identify these women. By the hundreds of millions they are out there. It's a statistical reality.
My wife helped me to understand that my dick is but a tiny sliver of the big picture. There's so much more: I believe that life is worth living, that there are people to love and their company to enjoy, adventures to take, good food to eat, helping others that are less fortunate, making a difference in the lives of others, celebrate(!) victories, and take the bad times with the good times. And, she and I have intimacy.
There are people all around us who have suffered far worse catastrophes than a man with a bent dick, and yet, they choose not to let the devastation define who they were...or who they would become.
There is no universal truth which that states men with a curved dick get to act special. Thinking of all that life on earth is comprised of, if there were a billboard for such men as us, it would say, "Listen snowflake, you're not special. Get over it."
My opinion is that a guy sincerely contemplating euthanasia because of the bent dick, this man lives life only for himself. Such a man's small, shallow world is limited to his dick. Like I was, perhaps he was schooled in America and doesn't know how to look at the big picture without someone providing some guidance and wisdom. There could be hope for this guy.
Or, perhaps such a man chooses not to look at the bigger picture. In such situations, this man is to be pitied.
John
Hi JohnW
I found your post very moving. Thank you very much for taking your time to write all of this, if you don't mind I will copy and paste it in doc word to read it whenever I feel bad. I completely agree with you. In a sense, I understand these guy very well, because I'm also very young (apparently, too young to have this condition), and I understand that it can feel devastating. The first thing that comes to your mind when something as this happens to you is suicide. Nevertheless, I know that I will find a way to live a happy life. And I know that these guys will be able to do the same thing. It only takes time and effort, that's all.
Àlex
I can understand suicidecomingsoon's anger, but I think he's being very harsh. JohnW has some points as well, but that mindset doesn't suit me either. I tend to be pretty negative minded, but in a realistic way. I think a dick should work, period. And so do most women. Sure there is more to life, but let's not act like our dicks are just to please women. They're there to please ourselves too. THAT'S what frustrates and angers me. Unlike some men here I would feel worse cuddeling and kissing girls knowing I can not F~@< them and knowing they "love" me (if that even exists cause unconditional love means she has no standards) for everything EXCEPT my manlyness. In her eyes I wanna be the man. Doesn't mean I'm an a$$hole, I just have my standards as well and wouldnt settle for "beta/provider/cuddlybear" roles. It's not black and white, but dicks matter. I think I'm somewhere inbetween the two of you, but I keep an open mind and whatever "truth" you hold on to, I just hope it eventually gets all of you where you want. Personally, I have a backup plan to off myself, but in the meantime I won't bother with girls even if they show genuine interest and focus on other fun stuff in life. Those days I can let it go I'm ok, but I already decided that I live for nothing less than a cure and on bad days I can't deal with people who do not get that and act like "you get used to it" or whatever. I think it's also just a matter of just how high your libido is and what kind of man you are. No offense, but a softer and kinder man would probably be better able to deal with this than someone with a higher ego like me.
popopo, I urge you to hang on. They are growing penises in a lab and they are going to be able to fix this problem in the near future. It might be expensive at first but that should just push you to be the best you can be everyday. Try new things, become a bad ass. I know its hard and everything youre going through is normal and dont beat yourself up too much. Save money, make money get strong.
I urge you to join the gym. I have struggled a lot in my life until I began to eat healthy and train in the gym daily. Build a strong body and your mind will usually follow. Keep hanging on brother we are all in this together.
Thanks for the kind words swiss and you are right. That's exactly my plan. It's been on and off, but all in all I'm in okay shape and have lot of lifting experience and it always helps picking up the weights again. I'm gonna try and stick at it, sometimes get tempted to smoke a phat joint, but hey nobody is perfect and if I really really really cant take it I can always leave especially once I have the drugs to do so. I know it sounds crazy, but having an emergency exit ready actually helps me move forward.
Try to stick it out as long as you can brother. I'm 30 years old right now and I figure if I can get this fixed by the time I'm 40 I can have a sex life again. In the meantime I plan on starting a business, making money, getting jacked, and going down on woman for hours on end. This disease can be a whole window to new motivation in life and that's what I plan on using it as. You sound like you're really open to ideas and perspectives. Your pain is completely normal and justified but by the time you can get your sexual life back, you could have accomplished so much in the meantime. Be good bro and hit me up anytime!
It's a tough life for everyone out there. Despite any kind of good purpose, most of us are likely to fail to fulfill and get rich or make money with a disease that drain most of your energies.
I agree jack it's tiring, but maybe eventually it could also force us to find anothe occupation. Stephen hawking isnt in much of a better position and it didnt stop him from being passionate about what he does.
Stephen Hawking was the first person it came to my mind when I discovered I had Peyronie's. I thought: "Will this prevent me to become successful or a good professional?" And I think that it will probably more difficult for me to achieve my professional ambitions, but it doesn't mean I can't do it. I also thought of Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis, a guy who really thought that sexual pleasure was the only and true ambition of the human being (a madcap theory, IMO, there are far greater things that move the human being besides human reproduction: the search for meaning, religion, non-sexual love towards the others). So, basically, Freud almost never had sex although he was married, and that is because he thought that the non-satisfied sex drive actually fuelled him as a professional. Here is the first guy who (pseudo)scientifically tried to prove that the human being's main ambition is sexual gratification, and he actually thought that not having sex was making him a better professional. Conclusion: I don't think at all that not having at 100% the sexual life you desire to have can prevent you to be successful, or being happy.
What moves the world is money and sex, and both are connected, if you do not want to hear the truth because it is too hard ok, but the truth is that, as simple as that, the other is self-deception (that it's not bad to be self-deceived, it's okay if it helps you keep going, but that's just it, self-deception)
Suicidecomingsoon, sex is important but not everything in life. Before puberty you had a life and so do asexual people. I'm not gonna deny sex matters because sex is attractive to most and it sells, but if it really is all that matters, how do old people cope?? You think all old people get laid? Do you think thereis not a single happy person that doesnt have sex? I totally get the frustration, but the world is not money and sex. I'm not religious at all, but I do believe going that path is greedy and won't give you anything. Money is a tool to do fun things, money is neber the main goal unless you're greedy and if you are it's never gonna be enough. Same goes for sex. 90 percent of people dont have sex everyday with another hot model. They settle for good sex with a compatible partner especually after an age where meaningless sex becomes boring and harder to get as well. The world is F^@$!ng empty and meaningless yes, but money and sex is as well.. it's all relative cause like I said some people dont even like sex. I know thst I personally LOVE sex and the lack of sex frustrates me, but telling myself sex is ALL that matters in life is simply wrong.
And being suicide is not a contraindication for speaking my mind and thinking about moving forward quack attack. Who says I'm ill for wanting to die? Maybe you're ill for accepting this thing like it's the flu. No offense, but I don't like when people dont keep an open mind to suicide simply because it's not a popular option. Like you see, some think it's madness, others see it as a genuine option and I think people should be able to take their own life. I respect people who think I'll burn in hell for that as long as they respect me for thinking differently.
popopo -- Seriously. Dude. Get help.
You don't like it when people aren't open minded to suicide! Do you ever read the words flowing from your keyboard???
There are entire safety net systems around the globe to PREVENT you from being successful with suicide. Why would this be?
It's because human life is inherently valuable. Promoting suicide is not a Forum value or desired outcome.
You're coming up on your three year anniversary as a member of the Forum. You've made some great thread contributions to many men who've made their way here during those first emotional encounters with all things curved dick. Keep the positive aspects of your contribution coming!
I'm not promoting it... did you actually read ALL my posts? I even said life is about more than sex, money and power. Unlike you that doesn't mean I think it's not important at all. I personally keep an exit as second option and that's because I wanna choose if I live or not. I'm not saying you should commit suicide. I post negative stuff and positive stuff. All in all I'm just speaking my mind and what's taboo for you is not taboo for me. What you said about every human life being inherently valuable is nothing more than kind words, but they don't help. I would get help, but they literally told me there is nothing they can do to fix my problem. I'm Seeing a better uro soon, but he probably cant do anything. I've already been told that as well. Also, you are assuming my problem is a "curved dick". Maybe you have a bend dick in chronic phase and can still be intimate. Good for you. I'm practically impotent and can barely feel mine. It also switches from chronic to active phase makeing it impossible for me or anyone to know how far this will progress and I'm only 23. I don't want you to have any sympathy for me, but don't tell me I'm a "small man" or "egoistic" or whatever because I keep an open mind to death. Who says my life gets better? Who says suicidecomingsoon's life is getting better? Who says there js ever gonna be a cure? Just because you think all human life is inherently valuable (probably based on relgious believes which I don't believe in anyway) doesn't mean it's true. I think the person living his life is probably the best person to decide how valuable it is, right?
Quote from: popopo on September 26, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
life is about more than sex, money and power. Unlike you that doesn't mean I think it's not important at all.
I am not agree with this in any way I think you are self-deceived saying this, but I will not write more about it, you already know what I think about this
Quote from: popopo on September 26, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Just because you think all human life is inherently valuable (probably based on relgious believes which I don't believe in anyway) doesn't mean it's true. I think the person living his life is probably the best person to decide how valuable it is, right?
Anyway here I am completely agree with popo, the thought that any human life is inherently valuable in any way in which the situation of the people are it seems selfish and motivated probably for religious reasons, in some ways it seems to me even bad and cruel to think so, there are people who suffer a lot, people who live in pain, people who are born with deformities incurable and that make them suffer daily, people who suffer day by day and ask for suicide ask to be put euthanasia to be in peace, and here you say that they would be more serious that they would continue living and suffering because for you all human life has to continue to exist even if they are destroyed , or yes that good you are JohnW, honestly that way of thinking seems to me evil and cruel, as you do not happen you think you better person to say this, then let me tell you that you are not.
It is like the example of the Italian guy who suffered an accident that left him paralyzed for his entire life he was in his 20s or early 30s, he wanted to die for euthanasia in his country, but for stupid religious and moral reasons was not even an option, you know what happened after, he had to spend $ 30000 from his family to go to switzerland to a suicide clinic and kill himself. And you would say ohh his life was valuable he should have continued living.. (and sufferind all his life) , but not possibly for him and to live suffering your whole life when you are twenty years old is not an option for many. But hey, you'll think you're superior for your beliefs and your morality, but how easy it is to give lessons when you're not in the situation of others because you never had ED and yourr congenital curvature is now fixed JonhW, but people like popo and me not only have peyronie we have ED too and ED can not be cured if pills and injections dont work, maybe implant? Maybe implant but some people can not face that, so do not think you are so superior to some who think of dying as a possible way out
suicidecomingsoon
Your answer to JohnW is purely a personal attack and it is not allowed on the forum.
You can argue about his opinion, instead you are personally attacking him.
By the way, I 100% agree with him, even I still have severe ED, 2" shortening, curve and bend.
James
Quote from: james1947 on September 26, 2017, 11:46:50 PM
By the way, I 100% agree with him, even I still have severe ED, 2" shortening, curve and bend.
James
But you have had this disease at 61 years old, you can not compare yourself with guys who have it in their 20 yo, it's just not the same and it's not comparable to having this at your age than ours. I do not say it with bad intentions, it is hard at any age for sure, but you have had a functional penis until 60, you have enjoyed a bit of life at least, you have not felt the anger anxiety, you have been motivated and go on with your life at least until 60 and that's a lot, also if you want you can go for implant as it probably will last your lifetime .. so come on james, in our 20s we should be enjoying a bit of life and how are we? unwilling to live, depressed and frustrated. Put yourself in the place of us and if you say that you do not feel like that, you are not being honest.
If someone believes all human life is inherently valuable, you can never argue that suicide is an option. Don't bother. They probably get your frustration, but of course they want us to see trough this. Nothing wrong with that, but it bothers me when people who have peyronies (maybe not as bad, but still) act like it's not a big deal.. come on.. some has been around here for years and what has actually changed? Name one treatment that actually works and hasnt been around for years already? Xiaflex is the only thing relatively new and it's not ideal. Maybe I'm not very hopefull all the time, but let's not act like this forum is full of hope anyway... the best results seem to be from ved, stretching and pentox, which are OLD treatments and according to a lot of uro's dont actually work. For thos that have results I'm happy, but I never found a uro who adviced me a ved and i actually worsened my case by trying it out anyway. I've had this crap since 18 and I'm 23 now. Do you think I have that much to lose? Give me a break.
All,
I am locking this topic. This topic is not up for debate here and it doesn't promote the advancement and intent of the forum. You all have expressed your personal views on the topic. You are all welcome to IM each other if you feel compelled to make points to each other.