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Title: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: MikeSmith on January 14, 2010, 10:44:52 AM
I have been reading through the various discussions of devices on the board, and I am not sure what would be best for me.  I do not have a curve to the left or right... but I do have a really bad dented area, right below the head of my penis.  The dented/weakened area goes around the entire shaft - and it creates the "hourglass" look that I have heard people talk about here.  Just above that, there is an exaggerated curve - but the curve goes backwards (like a bannana).  My penis always had a slight curve like that, but now with the dent, it looks a lot more odd and exaggerated.  Anyway, I am a little afraid to buy the FastSize device bc it seems like that will stretch things too much (and it's very weak and thinned out now, just below the head).  But, maybe that is the right thing ?   It just seemed like that would make more sense for someone with a left or right curve.   I have lost length, but the girth and this "ring" of weak tissue are the more major issues to me.  I've only had this dent in the last 6 mos (roughly) but I've been noticing less overall size for years actually.  The girth is most problematic.  

I don't mind spending a lot of money on a device, but I just want to make sure I get the right kind of device for my case.   Thank you for any advice.  
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: Old Man on January 14, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
Mike:

Take a good long hard look at the VED board. There are many topics there that explain what a VED is, what is does, how it works and a protocol for using them.

They have provided much needed relief to a lot of us on the forum. I have used one now for about 15 years for my Peyronies Disease as well as ED symptoms. My ED was a result of a non nerve sparing prostatectomy way back in 1995. The VED helped me regain lost dimensions as well as the Peyronies Disease symptoms. It provides a means for controlling my ED too.

So, I know that you are anxious to get started on some sort of therapy. However, be careful in what method you choose, but I strongly urge you to consider the VED therapy, so look into that right away.

Old Man
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: MikeSmith on January 14, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Thanks Old Man.  Yeah, I read some of it & it seemed like VED would be better in my case.  It's more expensive than fastSize though right?   Everyone seems to have a little bit different situation, so it was hard to fully understand what to do for my "dent" situation rather than the curve problem most seem to have.

I've been concerned over this for a while...thinking it would fix itself / in denial that it was that bad or even an actual disorder... but now it's worse than ever - so I finally just started taking it seriously and want to start using something to fix it. 
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: Old Man on January 14, 2010, 01:27:26 PM
Mike:

The weapon of choice in VEDs is the Vitality Plus three cylinder one from the Fitzz company. They will give any forum member who buys from them a promo discount if you use a code word when placing a phone order of on line order.

The web address of Fitzz is:     www.fitzz.com

The code word for forum members is:  PFORUM
This will give you the going discount. You can get the exact amount from the company when you place your order.

If you need any further help, just let me know and I will be glad to work with you.

Old Man
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: MikeSmith on January 14, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
Great - thank you!  For some reason, I thought it was $500... I have no idea why...maybe I was on some other site.  But, this one is $329 before the discount.  I hope I landed in the right spot...
http://www.fitzz.com/Three-Cylinder-Vacuum-Therapy-System-Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html

With your Peyronies Disease, did you have a dent or just a curve situation?  I have a much worse dent/constriction than I have any kind of curve.  And as far as ED goes, I do not have hard erections...90% of the time...but I can still get erect.  So, do you think this might help either of these problems?

Oh one last question - with FastSize, they say you have to use it every day for 5hrs...which is a lot... is there similar requirements with this?  Thanks again!
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: Angus on January 14, 2010, 01:46:51 PM
Quote from: mikesmith1010 on January 14, 2010, 01:35:03 PM

Oh one last question - with FastSize, they say you have to use it every day for 5hrs...which is a lot... is there similar requirements with this?  Thanks again!

   Not anywhere close with a VED. Read the "sticky" topic in the VED section "Protocol for 3 Cylinder Medical VED's, 26 Week". This will get you up to speed on the VED therapy. Typically you will spend 30 minutes or less per day on the protocol.
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: cowboyfood on January 14, 2010, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: mikesmith1010 on January 14, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Everyone seems to have a little bit different situation, so it was hard to fully understand what to do for my "dent" situation rather than the curve problem most seem to have.


ms1010,

hey, I have a similar presentation as you.  I noticed a dent on the right/top side about an inch below my glans last late December.  A left side dent became noticeable a few months later.  The dent is much more noticeable when I'm partially erect.  When I'm fully erect it is barely noticeable on the left side and slightly noticeable on the right side.  

I started the VED treatment last April.  My main concern was to prevent any further progression.  So far, that seems to be the case.  In fact, I also had a slight upward bend that presented itself around last January('09), maybe 25 - 30 degrees.  The upward bend appears to have gone away over last summer/fall sometime.  The dent is still there, but I can "feel" it more than I can "see" it when I'm erect.

I cannot say I have lost any size.  

In addition to the VED, I use Pentox and Viagra (every other night) and other supplements.

In addition to the disappearance of the upward bend and non-progression of the dent, my erections are much more firmer, frequent and longer lasting.

CF
Title: Re: Finding the right device for my case
Post by: Old Man on January 14, 2010, 08:18:56 PM
Mike:

Yep, that is the VED I was talking about. Be sure to mention the promo code word PFORUM in your on line or phone order.

I had both curves and indentations. My curves were 45 degrees downward and 45 degrees to the right based on my penis sticking straight from my body. After about 6 months of the VED protocol, the curves were gone and another 6 months the dents receded to a point of not being visible - only felt now.

You should ask others about using the traction devices as I have never used one.

Old Man
Title: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: MikeSmith on January 21, 2010, 09:52:42 PM
It's been a week - they haven't updated my order to reflect a tracking number.  They don't answer the phone, and they have ignored my email. 

However, they did charge my credit card!   (unlike amazon, who only charges when things ship)

Is there anywhere else to get this?
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: cowboyfood on January 21, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Some have posted regarding a delay in getting the VED from Fitzz, but I believe these are due to a supply chain issue; Fitzz getting the VED from the manufacturer, Augusta.

I think I had about a week or so delay.  It took me a couple of phone calls to get in touch with a man named Mike at Fitzz.  But, once I did contact him by phone he was very helpful and helped to track the shipment and he even called me when UPS left the package at my house.

CF
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: ComeBacKid on January 22, 2010, 04:33:36 AM
Does Augusta not sell directly anymore?  I got mine directly through Augusta, and remember dealing with a very helpful Mike.  He pretty much went to bat for me in trying to get this thing covered under insurance, which they fought tooth and nail.  Eventually the prescription had to be amended if I remember correctly to say it was for ED, as when it was written for peyronies with that code, insurance would not cover it. Very similar to a recent experience I had when I had to get immunizations for school, they were mandatory.  It was also more than ten years since my last booster so I needed this booster shot anyway, it was well over $100.  The insurance company wouldn't cover it if the code was written as for work or school, but had to be a general code for just a regular update of the shot, even though I needed it for two occasions at once -school/and ten year update.  These are just some of the small games insurance company bureaucrats will play to save some money here and there.  I wrote appeals and fought them tooth and nail, and eventually got everything covered months later, I wrote the CEO of the company as well and badgered them until they paid my claim.  On the Soma it was worth it as it cost over $500 at the time and I had to pay it all in cash up front.

With all that being said, I'm curious mike, did your insurance cover your VED and what was the code ED, or peyronies?

I gotta say I still have my soma correct and use it, overall I think its a great pump with three different well sized cylinder, and two rubber inserts.  It is pricey but I can't say its of a cheap quality.

Comebackid
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: skunkworks on January 22, 2010, 06:34:04 AM
Quote from: mikesmith1010 on January 21, 2010, 09:52:42 PM
It's been a week - they haven't updated my order to reflect a tracking number.  They don't answer the phone, and they have ignored my email. 

However, they did charge my credit card!   (unlike amazon, who only charges when things ship)

Is there anywhere else to get this?

Send an email to mark@fitzz.com immediately. They absolutely have some issues with fulfilling orders (seems like sometimes they slip between the cracks, happened to me). Mark should be able to sort it out.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Old Man on January 22, 2010, 10:03:51 AM
Note to all:

Let me jump in here with my 2 cents about the delivery from Fitzz. I have personal contact with Mark at Fitzz. He is the president of the company and is striving to keep up with deliveries of the Vitality Plus three cylinder VED for forum members.

Here is what he told me on several times that is the problem with his delays: First, he buys the regular Vitality one cylinder VED package from Augusta. Second, then he buys the other two cylinders separately from Augusta and adds them to the regular Vitality package to make the Vitality Plus three cylinder VED model that he provides for Peyronies Disease patients. Third, he has problems with deliveries of the extra cylinders to make up the package, hence the delay. Apparently Augusta only orders usually enough of the extra cylinders to meet their own needs.

(Note: The old Soma Correct and now the Somaerect three cylinder VED models bought directly from the Augusta company will cost somewhere around $475 to $500 and shipping is not included.) The Vitality Plus model not lists for $329 less the PFORUM promo code is mentioned at the time of purchase with free shipping. He agreed to the promo discount for forum members as a result of our calls to him.

Mark has assured me that he will do his best to keep the delivery times down as low as possible. In most cases, he stated that one week more or less a few days is the regular delivery schedule, but allow for shipping method time, etc. I will contact him again to see if he has any further help about this situation. I will again ask him to provide delivery information to our guys, and ask him to give emails for any delays, etc.

Bottom line is this, you have to make a choice of whether to buy the higher priced VED from Augusta, or the lessor priced one from Fitzz. To my knowledge, there are no other companies that sell the Three cylinder VED. There is a company in Utah that sells the regular one cylinder VED for just $110.00 with free shipping. However, it is only one cylinder and may or may not do the desired job for Peyronies Disease symptoms. Your choice either way.

Let me know of specific problems with the Fitzz deliveries by PM and I may be able to intervene of your behalf.

Old Man
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: GS on January 22, 2010, 11:38:14 AM
Hello to all,

My advice is to be patient.  I just got my VED from Fitz 4 days ago.  It took longer to get than I anticipated, and I was very apprehensive about using it.  I  probably spent 2 or 3 hours reading all the posts about using VEDs on our forum and I would have never had the nerve to use it were it not for all the information posted by Old Man.  I kept thinking about "go slow" and "be patient", but I was really nervous and excited, so it was hard to do.

Anyway, I was very cautious and took it easy...no pain, no bruising, no problems so far.  I am going to try my best to follow the 26 week program and hope for the best.  By the way, I used shampoo mixed with KY as my lubricate and it really worked well.

So, I just wanted to say "thank you" to Old Man and all the other posting members for your excellent advice and instruction.

GS
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: MikeSmith on January 22, 2010, 11:49:39 AM
Thanks everyone.  Yeah, normally I'm used to at least getting the tracking number or not being charged till it ships, but since everyone on here has had similar experiences (and you know the owner personally) I am not that worried.  I buy a lot of things online...so this sounds like it's just an anomaly, but it's ok.  Also, the website is really well done, so I thought it was like a huge company with a big customer service staff.  I was surprised to just get their vmail every time...and then no email back.  Well, I'll just wait.  

Comebackid - I didn't even know I could go with my insurance for this purchase.  Regardless, it's the start of the year so I think it would be coming out of my deductible for durable medical goods - or something... Anyway, with the discount code, the cost wasn't too bad anyway.  The most annoying thing about my insurance (regarding peyronies) is that the only cover 4 viagra per month at w/ a $40 copay.  My understanding is that the PAV cocktail requires daily viagra?  I can split the 100s, but unless I take 25mg every other day (which is hard to make out of a 100 pill) then I might not be getting the benefits.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: BrooksBro on January 23, 2010, 06:35:19 AM
Amazon has set the global gold standard in product delivery and customer service.  That is part of the reason they have been growing at 15% a year, even under current economic conditions.  They have several different ways of shipping orders.  Their premium method is when they buy and stock the product and ship direct.  Companies can also pay Amazon to stock and distribute for them, or Amazon can also act as a "front man" and just send the order to the company for order processing.  One of their primary goals is to make the product purchase and delivery experience so favorable that they don't need a "customer service" department (non-value added).

I found this article educational enough to encourage my employer to consider Amazon as a new distributor for our industrial products.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_09/b4121034637296.htm?chan=magazine+channel_in+depth

It would be great if all companies, or even more companies, followed Amazon.com's model.  In the world, they are showing everyone else how to do it best.

Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: wayne999 on January 30, 2010, 07:34:29 PM
Just curious, what comes up on your credit card statement when you make the purchase?

Also when the package is sent, what does it say on it ?   Is it discrete  etc. ?
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Woodman on January 30, 2010, 08:14:52 PM
Wayne999- I cant remember what comes up on your credit card. I think something like fizz.com but it comes in a plain brown box with no writing on it.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Old Man on January 30, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
wayne999:

As far as I know, Fizz ships in a plain wrapper and discreet container. Their name only probably appears on your credit card statement. They have assured me that the product will not be made known to the public in any way when shipped.

Old Man
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: MikeSmith on February 09, 2010, 12:11:30 AM
The box return address label says "FITZZ COM WAREHOUSE" and that's about it... just a cardboard box.  The credit card is billed from fitzz.com.  They sell a lot of medical devices so nobody is going to know it is a VED in there.

I did get the device, btw... so no issue... it works.  I think they just dont really have a big staff handling customer service issues (i never heard from them).   It's ok though.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Tim468 on February 10, 2010, 03:01:31 PM
I did not order from them. All those companies try to make it easy on us poor guys - convinced as they are that most of us are simply trying to get bigger penises (nothing wrong with that).

Most of us are afraid of something like this happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCvULMRUq8

Tim
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Blade on March 06, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
Ordered my VED (Vitality OTC 3 cylinders) from Fitzz.com on the 9th Feb before the issues with Augusta. Didn't hear from them again until 21st Feb to confirm I was who i said I was with my US addresss. It was shipped on the 22 Feb and I got it overseas on the 4th of March. I was a little concerned if what I ordered would be delivered.  Well to take line from the old Top Gun movie. "They did it right".
Exactly what I ordered was inside.  Just a plain brown box with a small label with Warehouse Fitzz.com and my address.

BTW: recieved the nice discount using the code.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: timk on March 07, 2010, 09:53:17 AM
I ordered mine towards the end of Feb and it arrived here in Germany last Thursday. I had to go pick it up and pay customs - the young lady at customs was more embarrassed than I was.

This replaces a single cylinder system my doctor got for me that would have cost €499 ($675) if I had not sent it back. This Vitality is much better anyway.
Title: Re: Anyone else have an issue with Fitzz.com?
Post by: Rickmud on March 19, 2010, 04:56:50 PM
Ordered mine last Saturday. It arrived UPS ground Today!
Title: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: Old Man on August 05, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
NOTE TO ANY AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE FORUM:

THIS POST IS WRITTEN IN CAPITALS IN ORDER THAT IT MIGHT DRAW MORE ATTENTION TO THIS POST!!

AS OF AUGUST 4, 2010 AS STATED IN THE STICKY THREAD ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT, THE FITZZ COMPANY CAN NO LONGER SUPPLY THE THREE CYLINDER VITALITY OTC VED. DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND THEIR CONTROL THEY CAN NO LONGER SUPPLY THE INNER AND MEDIUM CYLINDERS TO MAKE UP THE THREE CYLINDER VED THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY SUPPLIED TO MEMBERS OF THE FORUM.

HOWEVER, THE SINGLE CYLINDER OTC VED IS STILL AVAILABLE FROM THAT COMPANY.

THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS FURNISHED IN ORDER THAT THOSE MEMBERS DESIRING TO USE THE THREE CYLINDER PROTOCOL WILL HAVE TO OBTAIN THE EXTRA CYLINDERS ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE.

I AM SORRY TO REPORT THAT THE ABOVE IS THE CASE. IF AND WHEN FURTHER INFORMATION RELATIVE A SOURCE FOR THE TWO EXTRA CYLINDERS BECOMES AVAILABLE, THIS POST WILL BE UPDATED.

JUST WHEN THINGS WERE BEGINNING TO DEVELOP IN THE VED THERAPY AND ITS STARTING TO BE RECOGNIZED BY MORE AND MORE UROLOGISTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THIS HAPPENS.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, OLD MAN
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: mike67 on August 05, 2010, 09:10:09 PM
Old Man
I'm sure there will be some patients disappointed at this news. But we have you and others to thank for initially embarking on the 3 cylinder protocol and obtaining the co-operation of the Fitzz company to supply at the time.
We are confident this situation will work itself out , hopefully , eventually .
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: BrooksBro on August 06, 2010, 05:44:14 AM
There is not much a distributor (Fitzz) can do when the product's manufacturer (Augusta Medical Systems) discontinues a product.  I deal with this every day at work.  The Vitality insert sleeves have also been removed from the Augusta web site.

There are other Augusta VED products for which the insert sleeves are still available, just not as a package, and you can expect a higher overall price.  Separate closed-end cylinders (sex shop) with a vacuum pump connected by a hose is still an option.

Nesting the sleeves inside the vacuum cylinder does make for a compact package.  Thankful I purchased mine when I did. 

Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: mike67 on August 06, 2010, 09:34:34 AM
Thankful I purchased mine when I did. 


Likewise.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: Mike_O on August 06, 2010, 09:58:34 AM
Thanks for the update. I believe that the 3 cylinder approach is indeed beneficial. Hopefully another source for smaller cylinders will be located soon.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: newguy on August 06, 2010, 07:11:41 PM
Thanks for informing the community of this. It's a crying shame, because many men benefit from the three cylinder approach. I'm sure there will be a workaround though, and let's not forget that toher options are available. My 'boston pump' still works like a charm (though it did take an age to arrive!).
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: wayne999 on August 06, 2010, 08:25:03 PM
Just as i was considering purchasing one  :(

Dr Tim hasnt been around for a while, i am eager to hear his responses or that of others who built their own devices..if they could plz reply to me in some other threads i have posted as i was curious on how beneficial the release button was that came with the Fitz device?  (whilst i understand self-made units dont have this ??  )   Thanx.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: nebula on August 08, 2010, 01:23:37 AM
Why is this product still listed on fitzz.com?

Also, as someone who has yet to purchase a VED and planned on buying this one, which is the next best one I would receive the most benefit from? It kind of bums me out this one isn't available anymore and I'm on somewhat of a budget.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: Old Man on August 08, 2010, 08:09:04 AM
nebula:

OK, you have asked a good question. The basic Vitality one cylinder VED used for eretile dysfunction is still listed on the Fitzz web site. It does have the extra cylinders that could be ordered as a package under the link that was posted on the VED board here. The reason being that the two extra cylinders could no longer be obtained for use as a Peyronies Disease VED.

So, one can still purchase the regular one cylinder Vitality OTC unit from several sources on the web, including Fitzz. So, one can get the one cylinder model and use the protocol posted in the VED board for that VED.

Do a Google search for the Vitality OTC unit and you will find several sources so that you can obtain the better price.

Old Man
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: Mike_O on August 08, 2010, 10:07:26 AM
Augusta Medical Systems, the maker of the Vitality OTC, does have a web site and a "Store" within that web site. Under "Cylinders & Sizing Adapters" they show cylinders of various sizes. What is NOT evident is which cylinders fit the Vitality OTC system. Folks considering a Vitality OTC purchase may want to contact Augusta and inquire about which cylinders work with the Vitality OTC...

It was very nice to be able to go to 1 vendor (Fitzz) and get 1 kit that included everything needed. I am very curious why these kits are no longer available... Perhaps it is a legal and/or pricing issue.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: DannyOcean on August 08, 2010, 10:15:45 AM
Quote from: mo1258 on August 08, 2010, 10:07:26 AM
Augusta Medical Systems, the maker of the Vitality OTC, does have a web site and a "Store" within that web site. Under "Cylinders & Sizing Adapters" they show cylinders of various sizes. What is NOT evident is which cylinders fit the Vitality OTC system. Folks considering a Vitality OTC purchase may want to contact Augusta and inquire about which cylinders work with the Vitality OTC...

I'd be interested in finding this out as well.  I purchased the one cylinder Vitality Plus (by accident, see my other thread) and was thinking about buying the additional cylinders separately.  I have been happy with one cylinder unit but it would be nice to know that I'd have the ability to purchase the other cylinders if need be.
Title: Re: Non avalibility of the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz
Post by: Mike_O on August 08, 2010, 10:29:45 AM
On first look the prices seemed very high for what these cylinders are - simple acrylic. But as has been mentioned here before, medical stuff is expensive because it is "medical". While the "do it yourself" approach did not appeal to me while the Vitality OTC 3 cylinder system was easily available, I am going to spend some time reading over the posts of folks who have made their own systems.
Title: Fitzz Co received a shipment of the Vitality Soma Therapy 3 cylinder ved
Post by: Jake on August 09, 2010, 10:09:30 PM
Hey guys, if anyone is interested in the Vitality 3 cylinder, the Fitzz Co received a shipment of the cylinders last week, i placed my order on July 22nd and received it today. I don't know how many are available,but i would go online or call as soon as possible. Good Luck, regards Jake
Title: Re: Fitzz Co received a shipment of the Vitality Soma Therapy 3 cylinder ved
Post by: fubar on August 10, 2010, 01:50:43 PM
Hello world:

I was curious to the last post submitted, so i went to the  fitzz web site. They have one remaining system available. I called fitzz and spoke to Mark and confirmed, they indeed have one available.

So if you think this ved may be useful to you and you are going to use it buy it. If not let someone who will use it have a chance!

Fubar

Title: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: ArcadeFire on September 12, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Hi all,

My Peyronie's experience is different to most, and related to having taken Propecia for male pattern baldness. This awful drug left me with numerous side effects, including Peyronie's, but I'm slowly adjusting an (I think) recovering, and so now I'm trying to do something about the Peyronie's aspect of my symptoms.

Anyway, I wondered if anyone knew if there is any point trying to get the VED on the NHS (I presume this is highly unlikely), and also of any sources where I can buy one. The only place I have found is a website called iMEDicare, but the device is £239 there. Does anyone know if it can be purchased more cheaply elsewhere. I have had a look but to no avail, but I thought others may know of something. If so then I'd be very grateful for any suggestions.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: UK on September 12, 2010, 04:58:45 PM
you can get a VED on NHS only for ED if you are diagnosed with things like diabetes, had a radical prostectomy etc..
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: Old Man on September 12, 2010, 05:19:03 PM
ArcadeFire:

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear that you had a bout with Propecia and got Peyronies Disease from it. Several guys that I know of have had the same experience.

There are links in the VED board of the main forum home page where VEDs can be purchased. They are the Vitality OTC three cylinder models that have given great results for the forum members. However, both companies are Stateside, but do ship internationally. The prices for them are listed in the web pages of the links posted.

Should you need any help with deciding which cylinders to purchase, just ask and we can steer you in the right direction. As UK says, the NHS will help pay for them if the patient is diagnosed with ED rather than Peyronies Disease. The same applies for some models of VEDs in the States. The VEDs mentioned above do not require a prescription for a doctor to be purchased as they are OTC (over the counter) units.

Old Man
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: Mike_O on September 13, 2010, 09:05:04 AM
Being in the US, I don't know anything about the NHS in the UK but I am curious as we having many discussions here in the US about universal health care. I would be surprised to learn that your NHS paid for the treatment of male-pattern baldness as well as curvature of the penis.

There are a few comments here on the forum from members who successfully got their insurance (US companies) to pay for the VED but it usually took a long time and with much frustration.

I am quite happy that I purchased my VED and, within a few days, was getting started with therapy. The peace of mind that I gained from actually doing something therapeutic was well worth the $$$ I spent on the VED.

Please post your experience with the NHS as I think many of our forum members are from the UK and would be interested.

Mike_O
Title: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on September 21, 2010, 06:08:13 PM
Hi all, im a new member here. Just some info. I used the link on WHERE TO BUY THE VITALITY VED AND CYLINDERS..., i bought the VED from the wisdomking.com website, then tried to buy the cylinders A and B from the AugustaMS.com  website links. Augusta called today and will not sell me the cyclinders because I dont appear in their system anywhere and I do not have a prescription for the VED. They said if I owned the system already and had registered it with them they would then sell me the cyclinders. So now waiting to see if I get that registration card with the wisdomKing.com purchase. The whole thing seems kinda hokey to me but that was my experience. Is there somewhere else I can buy the other 2 cylinders?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: fubar on September 21, 2010, 07:32:51 PM
Don't fret brother it will all work out for you.I do not think Augusta is in the wind of this. I believe we do most of our purchasing with fitzz.This is whare we use to purchase the whole system. It seems many do not want to do their home Work these days. But I believe we have a sticky post on the ved board for the purchase of the a and b cylinders.I could be wrong but I do think they are available.

If you have problems finding away to purchase them pm old man he can put you in the right direction.
Just looked at the sticky,  did you use our link? I'm sure that would be your identification for being a forum member.

Fubar
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Old Man on September 21, 2010, 08:28:39 PM
dale1122:

By all means register your purchase of the Vitality OTC one cylinder with Augusta when you get it in hand. As fubar states, look up the direct links to the A and B cylinders listed in the sticky post on the VED board of the home page section of the main forum on where to buy VEDs.

You will find a link for each cylinder ( A and B ) to complete your three cylinder VED. The reason you could not place the order with Augusta without an RX is that FDA had them remove their VEDs and accessories for Peyronies Disease patients, only for ED patients. The details of this is posted somewhere in the VED board posts. If the sales rep at Augusta asks you for a reason for needing the cylinders, tell him it is to complete your VED package for ED, etc.

Do some research throughout the entire forum on VED usage, the whys and wherefores of its use and how to successfully make the VED work for you.

Ask any and all questions that might arise for you when you get the VED package from your order source.

Old Man
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on September 21, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
OK, thanks for the replies, I will register the device when i get it and then try to purchase the other 2 cylinders again. I did use the link last time but Im sure they will sell them once I have the device registered.
Title: Does this vitality pump have 3 chambers? or just one?
Post by: crashbandit on September 22, 2010, 03:00:38 AM
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310246514785&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Its a vitality pump being sold on ebay. I asked the vendor but he said he dosen't know.

Do you think it has 2 or 3 cylinders that come with it? Or just the one 2.25 standard cylinder, which is huge!

If I need to buy some smaller ones, like A or B or whatever, where can i get them from?

Thanks
Title: Re: Does this vitality pump have 3 chambers? or just one?
Post by: Old Man on September 22, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
crashbandit:

No, the EBay Vitality VED does not have the two extra cylinders as it only the one cylinder manual model. The price is reasonable, but you will need to purchase the A, small and the B, medium cylinders to make up the three cylinder Vitality manual model VED.

You need to open the home page of the main forum and select the thread "Where to buy Vitality VEDs, etc." which lists sources for the VED as well as links to the Augusta Medical Systems for the two extra cylinders. As far as I know, the extra cylinders are only available from Augusta Medical.

One member reports that Augusta would not sell him the two cylinders. You have to have your Vitality VED registered with Augusta to allow them to sell the extra cylinders. The buyer must state that they will be used for erectile dysfunction AND NOT FOR Peyronies Disease OR ELSE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUY THEM!!!

If you need any help with obtaining a VED let me know and I can possibly help, etc.

Old Man
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: Davea on September 29, 2010, 05:27:27 AM
I don't know about the NHS but I got my VED from iMedicare UK delivered to Italy. It arrived within 2 days - great service and it's exactly the same as other members have got in the US. Even though £239 is a lot of money I believe it's comparable with US prices.

I've been using it for about 6 weeks now and will make a post about progress when I get a few more weeks experience with it.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: wayne999 on September 29, 2010, 07:54:16 AM
Quote from: dale1122 on September 21, 2010, 11:12:56 PM
OK, thanks for the replies, I will register the device when i get it and then try to purchase the other 2 cylinders again. I did use the link last time but Im sure they will sell them once I have the device registered.

dale,  please keep us updated on this as if Augusta are unwilling to supply the other cylinders separately then that is a bit of a problem for us who want to purchase the one clinder VED and then go down that route.....
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: crashbandit on September 29, 2010, 03:00:45 PM
Hi Dale,

How's the VED working out for you? I'm getting mine in the mail tomorrow hopefully, I got the 3-day shipping to here in Canada. Did it cause any discomfort for you?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Brightdog on September 30, 2010, 12:50:21 AM
After reading all the material here about post-surgery VED use, I opted for a manual pump instead of the battery-operated ones. I checked out the medical models online, and I checked out the local sex shops (eeek! what awful stuff they sell) and various on-line retailers. I wanted three interchangeable cylinders, a pressure gauge, and the quick-release valve.

After trolling through way too many sites, and seeing too many sights (all these 2-second repeating porn clips to advertise cam sex sites etc - really annoying when you are trying to focus on the merchandise) I found a manual pump with gauge and quick release valve that came with one cylinder (your choice of three sizes) and the two other cylinders were available separately. The small one is the same size as the Augusta medium, I believe, at 1.75". Because I was a larger size before my operation AND I had the graft material to accommodate, I ordered this as my small and then ordered the 2" and 2.25". This seems to have been a wise choice, because the 1.75" is snug even to start with. I don't think I would have been able to use the 1.5" size properly. Besides, the smaller one is supposed to be for shaping and length - and in theory my shape has been fixed by the surgery. For now I will use the 1.75 and the 2 and see if the 2.25 is warranted when I get to that week in the protocol.

Anyway - I ordered the pump and all three cylinders, paying for expedited shipping from the US to Canada. The total with shipping was about $258 CAD - which is much cheaper than the bells and whistles models. And without expedited shipping it is some $25 less. The parcel arrived promptly two weeks ago. I had to pay GST on receipt.

The cylinders are solidly made - these seem much better than the crap I saw in the stores. Although there are no inserts like the medical models, these have a very wide rim and I have had no trouble getting a good seal without shaving or trimming - just using a little lube on the lip of the tube. I have been using very low pressure to start, and the pump works perfectly. There are no measurement marks on the cylinders, but I wouldn't be using those anyway because I'm doing monthly measurements and trying not to obsess.

I would include a link here, but the link to the electronic store was through a members-only site with some very strong content that "might not be suitable for all viewers". I'll dig out the documentation that arrived with it and see if there is an easier way.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: crashbandit on September 30, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
Hey fellow Canadian:)

Good on you, for looking into the best pump that suits you and that you are most comfortable with. I bought the augustine medical pump everyone here uses but it dosen't have a guage, which I really would have liked to have. Although, I wanted to have something everyone here is familiar with and several people assured me that I don't need a guage. I guess I'll find out how comfortable I am without a guage in a few days when I get the pump.

So do you find the guage very useful? I bet you pump up to the exact pressure you want all the time, like 5 PSI or something. Are you following one of the protocols on the site? I'm not exactly sure how it's going to work when I start using my pump but I picture using a low vacuum, waiting for the erection, holding the erection for 15 secs and releasing for a minute for erection to subside then create vacuum and wait for erection again, repeat 10 times. Is this similar to how you do it? How does the unit feel? You get a nice pump all day long now? Erection quality ok or maybe alittle different? Some people mentioned a more spongy soft erection form the VED.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Brightdog on September 30, 2010, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: crashbandit on September 30, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
So do you find the guage very useful? I bet you pump up to the exact pressure you want all the time, like 5 PSI or something.

I needed the gauge because I have no feeling post-op. I am told sensation returns gradually over 6 months, but right now there is nothing - so I could not rely on how the pump FEELS. I am pumping only to a pressure of 5 max right now, and following the 26 week 3-cylinder protocol. I am only holding for a max of 10 seconds - and usually only 5 or 6. I don't wait a full minute - I aim for a rhythm: about 10 seconds pumping up to pressure, 5-10 seconds holding, release for about 10 seconds. So the whole procedure, including getting everything prepped and then washed up, is taking less than 20 minutes.

QuoteHow does the unit feel? You get a nice pump all day long now? Erection quality ok or maybe alittle different? Some people mentioned a more spongy soft erection form the VED.

I don't FEEL anything yet, really, except a bit of the pressure of the base of my penis against the interior wall of the cylinder. Because of the surgery, I have no idea what a normal erection would be for me now, or how this is different. I had NO erections at all before I started with the VED - but it has only been just over a week with the unit and three weeks with the FastSize traction device. The engorgement from the pump subsides quite quickly - I don't use a cockring or anything to keep the erection. My erections without the pump are pretty much what I would expect after the amount of work that had to be done one me - my penis is considerably smaller. It gets hard enough to point straight out, but it seems fragile somehow. I am not having penetrative sex at this point - I don't trust that the erection is strong enough yet to do that safely.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Mike_O on October 01, 2010, 06:35:02 AM
Brightdog - thanks for posting your experience - looks like you made a great choice on therapy equipment and I wish you a successful recovery. Please continue to post about your progress.
Title: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Mike_O on October 01, 2010, 07:43:10 AM
I have done a bit of research and here's what I have found so far...

While there are many sources for separate cylinders, here are 3 vendors that seem to take pumping very seriously:

http://www.cockpump.com/

http://www.vacutech.com/home.asp

http://www.bostonpump.com/

I am not advocating some of crazy stuff people do with these products but I do think using these separate cylinders is a reasonable approach to VED therapy for Peyronie's.

All of these cylinders require a separate pump. The vendors usually offer a variety of pumps: plastic and metal hand pumps; even electric. These pumps can be purchased from automotive supply or tool stores at lower costs - BUT a special connector is needed to attach to the cylinder - which adds to the price of the pump. The vendors listed above sell the connectors as well as kits that include cylinders, pumps, tubing and connectors.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: crashbandit on October 02, 2010, 01:14:32 AM
Here's a good quality pump. The same as those pumps you have links to, but half the price. Plus you get 2 cylinders with this one from ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2-Stage-2-Comfort-Sleeve-Penis-Scrotum-Pump-Kit-3-25-/300371202855?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ef84d327

If I don't like the Augusta pump, I'm gonna get this one.

Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Old Man on October 02, 2010, 08:27:07 AM
crashbandit:

Just read your post about the VED on EBay. This pump may be all right for some guys, but for Peyronies Disease therapy it is mostly like a sex toy penis pump. It will not produce the good results that VED should when being used for Peyronies Disease therapy. It actually costs more than the basic VED shown from the Augusta company (the Vitality OTC one cylinder VED). The Vitality unit is of a high grade medical quality and will way outlast the one you show in your post.

The only drawback in price, if there is one, is the fact that the Augusta extra cylinders do cost more. However, by purchasing the basic unit and the two extra cylinders, the cost overall is way below the price of the Augusta Somaerect three cylinder unit which also requires an RX from a doctor to purchase.

So, way the odds of longevity between the two VEDs and you will see a better deal with the Vitality unit.

Old Man
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Mike_O on October 02, 2010, 04:44:04 PM
$Bandit

I too looked at the eBay link you posted - a few comments:

The vendor is OK but the product is not suitable for Peyronie's therapy because the cylinders are too big (diameter). The 3.25" cylinder is intended to pump the penis and scrotum at the same time - a practice that may well cause more harm than good but to each his own.

If you want to go the separate cylinder route then I suggest you start with the smallest cylinder possible - usually LESS than 2" and a pump from an auto parts store or Harbor Freight.

If you want to purchase from eBay, do some more searching and you will find plenty of cylinders and pumps. You may have to go into the "everything else" then "adult only" category of the US version of eBay.

Since you already have the Vitality OTC, I suggest you go ahead and get started. After a few weeks you will have a much better idea of what you may want to change in terms of equipment.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Old Man on October 03, 2010, 07:59:51 AM
Bandit:

Since you already have the Vitality OTC, just order the two extra cylinders from Augusta and proceed with the 26 week protocol with it.

You won't find a better medical grade VED anywhere and as Mike_O says, stay away from the cheap sex toy and auto store model pumps and cylinders.

Old Man
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: crashbandit on October 03, 2010, 08:43:10 PM
For sure Old Man, I think I will be getting the 2 extra cylinders. Although, I don't have a banana curve when erect. If this is the case, do I really need the other 2 cylinders? I have a curve while semi-erect, beggining stages of Peyronies Disease? Also I have a light stinging close to my glan and in into my glan and a constant slight aching in the left side of my shaft.

I dont think that pump I posted from ebay is a cheap one though. It is identical (if not made from LA pumps) to the pumps from LA pmps and there are high quality pumps. Go to the first link in Mike's post to go to LA pumps homepage.

Yea, at first I thought it would be cool to get the cock and balls cylinder that comes with the pump from ebay, maybe play with it with wifey or something:) But I knew that would require long duration hold times which I'll never subject my beloved penis to ever.

I must admit, I had purchased an LA pump before, 6 year ago. And I used to be into the penis enlargment racket, which I regret now. Those stupid mistakes we make at a young healthy age can come back to haunt a guy.

I'm not saying all my current penis problems came from penis enlargement because I'm sure the time I heard a "pop" when my wife was going hard cowgirl style didn't help either. Or all the times I slept of my stomach and therefore my poor, rock hard erection, arrgghh, makes me sick to think about how clueless we are when we are young and ignorant...

Sorry about jumping around there, I'm just blahbing away.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Old Man on October 03, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
crashbandit:

The decision would be yours based on what exercises you desire to do for therapy. If you are just going for the regular exercise, then the basic VED would work. Several guys are using only one cylinder VEDs and that was my first VED for my therapy. However, with the one cylinder VED, the old Osbon Esteem Erecaid, it took over a year of daily use for me to get rid of the Peyronies Disease symptoms.

The three cylinder models do have a tendency to produce faster results. The small A cylinder confines the shaft into a very tight formed shape and also pulls it in a very straight setup. All of the three cylinder exercise protocols are designed to vary the size, shape and condition of the shaft over an extended period of time which makes for a better overall therapy, etc.

Old Man
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Jammer on October 09, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
dale,  please keep us updated on this as if Augusta are unwilling to supply the other cylinders separately then that is a bit of a problem for us who want to purchase the one clinder VED and then go down that route.....
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Hi everyone,, new here as far as poting but want to chime in about Augusta issue.  I ordered the vitality thru wisdomking (great price) and the two cylinders via Augusta.  Was worried when I read the post about them not sending out, but after I ordered I saw them take $110 out of my bank about 1--2 weeks later and have recieved them without issue.  So maybe I got lucky or they have eased up. 

So now I am going to start protocol.  Messed around with the VED when I first got it and not sure it I was doing it right, in fact it felt like my penis filled with blood but had no increase in size or erection.   Not sure what I was doing wrong and will read everything here about its application.  I will keep a log and keep evryone posted about the results. 

Just want to thank the people of this site for giving me hope where their was none.  I am 51 and do not have ED except that the condition cuases so much anxiety as to give me ED when under pressure to perform.

Take care.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: bdozer on October 12, 2010, 09:22:40 PM
Confirmed: I too was able to purchase the VED from Wisdom King (how can they have such a good price) and the cylinders from Augusta.  Both purchases happened online and were delivered within a few days.

Actually I was very pleased with Augusta.  I had tried to submit the order for the cylinders, and something went wrong and the order didn't go through.  I was worried that they had charged my card without getting the order so I sent them a note.  The sales manager and I exchanged a few messages confirming that my card wasn't charge and she could find no record of my order, so I re-ordered.  Very friendly and helpful.

Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on October 14, 2010, 12:56:15 AM
I did receive the Vitality OTC from Wisdomking website and sent in the registration card to Augusta for the product. I waited a week and then reordered cylinders A and B tonight. Hopefully this will now get my order thru, especially since I see they have fulfilled the order for others on this site recently. I will keep you all posted.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Mike_O on October 14, 2010, 07:55:28 AM
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: newguy on October 15, 2010, 03:22:30 AM
I live in the UK and bought my pump from bostonpump.com . I'm pretty sure I got the recommendation from here, but I rarely here them talked about nowadays. In did take a while to arrive, but I've never had any problems with it. They sell cylinders seperately too, so there are pretty of options available.
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: Mike_O on October 15, 2010, 10:10:01 AM
Thanks for your post. I did include Boston as a possible source in this thread:
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

I am experimenting with a cylinder very similar to Boston's and will post some observations over the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Purchasing a VED in the UK
Post by: newguy on October 16, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: Mike_O on October 15, 2010, 10:10:01 AM
Thanks for your post. I did include Boston as a possible source in this thread:
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

I am experimenting with a cylinder very similar to Boston's and will post some observations over the coming weeks.

Thanks Mike. I have had the odd issue with VEDs, but I have to say that common problems with it cutting into the groin and whatnot have never happened, so I think the cylinders must be quite well made.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on October 19, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
This whole thing is getting very frustrating.

Here is the latest:

I ordered the cylinder size A and B from the link on this forum again, waited 6 days and noticed still no credit card charge or shipping info from Augusta. So i called them tonight. They had received my order and my registration card where I had registered the Vitality OTC system which I had bought from Wisdomking.com.  According to the rep they have no cylinders which fit inside the Vitality OTC and the system I bought from WisdomKing is a one cyclinder system.  From what I am reading on here others are using the Wisdomking Vitality OTC and the cyclinders from Augusta with no problems?  Isnt this correct?  
Furthermore, on my registration card I had indicated ED as my reason for ordering the VED since I was told (on this thread) this could alleviate the problems with Augusta, actually I have Peyronies. The rep on the phone said the multicylinder system is for Peyronies. LOL

So are these Augusta people just f'^+'ing with me or what?  

Anyway I need to know if the Viatality OTC has the smaller cyclinders and where can I buy them without having to jump thru hoops? Augusta simply refuses to sell them to me
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: fubar on October 19, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Dale

Sorry you having problems getting the cylinders This is relatively a new process.It could be the representative has no clue of what you are talking about or they are misshandiling the order.

I looked at the links Angus set up it looks like a simple process to me , did you try to order from the links?I am getting confused to why some are having no problems and some are.
I did see after hitting the link they are labeld as SOMA erect and not vitality maybe there is some confusion there as I did not see any model number either.

I may trying to order some from the link as I do not see a restriction stating you have to have a registered product. It would be good to have extra parts and I could send them a registration card because I was told by fitzz I think you have a year to register the product.

I would try to call them again and ask to speak to someone else.Or just use the links provided if you have not already.I personally will try to find out what the heck is going on.So we do not have this issue anymore.

Fubar
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on October 19, 2010, 11:13:03 PM
I ordered directly from the links both times.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Old Man on October 19, 2010, 11:18:57 PM
Dale:

Sorry that you are having problems getting the two extra cylinders for the Vitality OTC one cylinder VED. The cylinders from the Somaerect will fit into the Vitality OTC VED. The links shown on the VED board were set up for the forum members to order them separately. You should have ordered the cylinders using the two links to the A and B cylinders. Had you done that on line in lieu of trying to place the order with the sales rep, you would have had no problem.

Augusta cannot and will not sell the cylinders if you mention Peyronies Disease to them that they are to be used for Peyronies Disease. They are under restrictions that will not allow them sell these items for Peyronies Disease, but they can for ED.

I would suggest that you try to place an on line order using the links that are posted by Angus in the VED board of the main forum. If you have difficulty in getting the order placed that way, please let me know so I can resolve the issue with the Augusta Medical Systems company.

Old Man

EDIT: Dale did you place these orders on line or in person by phone? Another question: Are you sure that the VED you got from Wisdom King is the same VED as the one that is listed on the Fitzz site that we have been using all along?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on October 20, 2010, 05:37:37 PM
Old Man - Thanks for your reply. I ordered from the links on line both times. I never spoke to a rep until I called a week after the 2nd order when it was obvious they were not charging my card. I never stated with the online orders what the reason was for ordering the cylinders as they dont ask. When I spoke with the rep, I told him they were for ED, hoping he would then sell them to me. He stated the multi cylinder systems are for Peyronies and not ED.   Any help I can get in obtaining these cylinders would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: gecko on October 21, 2010, 06:03:53 PM
We did finally get our cylinders after a few strong emails. They are trying to say that they can not use the cylinders with the OTC (over the counter) version. They worked fine once we got them. They are upset that we are cutting out the sales rep selling the expensive VED system. The urologist PA we saw made an appt. with the rep for us. We looked into buying, but then found how to save money thanks to this site. I ordered the cylinders online, but the rep that we didn't buy from saw the order & contacted us. We had several excuses before they finally let us order. They are OK w/ saying it is for treatment of , but it seems that the expensive version is the only one that is qualified for peyronie's.
Title: Vitality Link Expired + New Possible Source
Post by: elite1 on October 21, 2010, 11:38:53 PM
Hey everyone. I'm new to the forums, and have done hours and hours of exhausting research. I feel it's time to start a VED and oral supplement treatment program to fix my extreme downward curve with 90 degree right facing twist.

I've been to one Uro, who charged me $200 and said I was born with it. However, among discussion with my parents of memories of when I was a kid, they disagree. My father is friends with a Uro in the Silicon Valley of CA, and he discussed more with me for free, than the Uro I paid for!

Anyways, it looks like the Wisdomking link has expired. The website now says *OBSOLETE* next to the product title, which I figure that means the website has discontinued them.

However, I have found a new link.
diabetessupplies4less.com/94009701.html

Is this site legitimate enough for a safe purchase?

Also, because i have an extreme curve, do I need multiple cylinders? If so, will a purchase from this website allow me to purchase the cylinders from Augusta?

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Vitality Link Expired + New Possible Source
Post by: dale1122 on October 22, 2010, 07:42:17 AM
Nice find on the website to purchase the VED.  As far as Augusta selling you the other 2 cylinders, good luck.  They have sold them to others on this forum but some, including me, can get them to sell to us for unknown reasons. I believe (but cant prove) it has something to do with their sales people not getting commisions when you buy the VED from a 3rd party, so they dont want to process your purchase of the tubes you need to make it a 3 cylinder system. Now it appears Wisdomking cant sell the Vitality OTC because Augusta is demanding they increase the price (per Wisdomkings website)

I wouldnt worry about ordering from that site if you are using a credit card (not a debit card), you can always dispute the purchase if they dont send it but I would try to get the cylinders from Augusta first.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Mike_O on October 22, 2010, 08:46:30 AM
This latest twist in the saga of the Vitality OTC VED and Augusta Medical Systems is unfortunate and bordering on ridiculous.

There is nothing "magic" about the Vitality OTC VED. It is a convenient package and WAS easy to buy in the past. Now, apparently, the purchase is more of a challenge.

Given the purchase problems, if I were starting VED therapy for Peyronies today I would avoid the medical VED completely. Cylinders of all sizes and pumps (with and without gauges) are widely available. A 3 separate cylinder system can be purchased for the same cost or less than the cost of the Vitality OTC + 2 cylinders or any other medical VED. See my forum post here:
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

Over the years (read the past posts on this board) many forum members have been successful with equipment other than the Vitality OTC. The important thing to remember is the therapy and not the equipment.

For folks who have the Vitality OTC but not the extra cylinders, I suggest they be prepared for a struggle from the manufacturer. If you cannot purchase your extra cylinders from Augusta then move forward with the "Single Cylinder VED" protocol posted at the top of the forum.
Title: "Where to buy..." sticky post modified
Post by: Angus on October 22, 2010, 03:31:53 PM
   The sticky post about where to buy VED's is modified. The availability of specific VED's has become too dynamic and there are too many changes to reliable sources to keep posted in a sticky post. The choice of VED and a supplier is up to the individual buyer. We had tried to list sources of VED's recommended by experienced forum members in a simple way, but it didn't work very well as there was much confusion over where to buy components and which components to buy.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Mike_O on October 22, 2010, 03:38:05 PM
Angus - Thanks!

The links were helpful while they lasted but you are right - the choice and purchase decision is up to each individual. I am afraid sometimes we put too much emphasis on the equipment and not the technique.

MikeO
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on October 22, 2010, 03:46:44 PM
Received this email today from Augusta about trying to buy the extra cylinders for my Vitality OTC that I purchased from Wisdomking. They are not going to sell them to me.

Mr. (MY name deleted),

We are not able to process you request for SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinders, these are cylinder inserts that are made specifically for patients who have Peyronies Disease.  They also require a prescription from your doctor, as well as a prescription device.  According to our records you have an over the counter device which does not require a prescription.  We do apologize for the inconvenience.



Jennifer Carrion

Customer Relations

Augusta Medical Systems

1-800-827-8382

Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Angus on October 23, 2010, 11:26:48 AM
   I'm posting this to re-visit home made VED's. I won't rant or argue about them. But I have first hand knowledge about how a home made VED will work and work well. All for about 5 bucks worth of vinyl hose from a building supply and a vacuum pump. If it were me I would build my own again just like I did years ago before I joined in the war of the VED suppliers, the FDA and whoever else has a dog in this hunt and is looking for max profit. The stress some members are going through to get a tube with a vacuum pump should be unacceptable and rediculous. Make your choices wisely and be careful where you buy from.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: neyland on October 26, 2010, 11:34:40 PM
I would like to purchase the Vitality OTC, but I'm discouraged to read that Augusta Medical will not sell the 2 extra cylinders.  Is there another site that sells the other 2 cylinders, or possibly an update on Augusta Medical's stance on selling the extra cylinders?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Mike_O on October 27, 2010, 08:26:20 AM
With the current confusion over the Vitality OTC medical style VED and extra, smaller cylinders, I would suggest either a home-made option (see lots of posts here) or purchase 3 separate cylinders and a separate pump (again see other posts here).

Keep in mind the objective is the therapy - the gentle stretching under vacuum - and not the equipment. I have used both the Vitality OTC and separate cylinders and can say without reservation that both approaches accomplish the objective.

Mike_O
Title: Re: VED - Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Pat_Hos on November 07, 2010, 05:41:51 PM
Old Man,
I am new to this website as of today.  After reading for a few hours I see that you are incredibly dedicated and helpful and probably the most experienced.

I have had Peyronie's for four years and it keeps getting worse.
I am about half the size I used to be and it keeps getting worse.  The shrinkage is unbearable.
I have tried Pentox for three years, Vit E for four years, and Fastsize for 9 months (was torture).
Now I am ready for a VED.
I read on this site that you recommended:

Fitzz-Vitality
Mark Osenga, President
THE FITZZ GROUP, INC.
3250 NE 1st Ave Suite 320
Miami, FL  33137
Direct Line:  305.433.3188   Fax:  786.879.8641

My doctors assistant recommended:
Osbon Erecaid

Are they the same product with different names.  If not, which do you recommend?

Thank you!
Pat_Hos


Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Old Man on November 07, 2010, 06:01:16 PM
Pat_hos:

I am sorry to relate to you that the Vitality OTC three cylinder VED from Fitzz is no longer available. For some unknown reason, the FDA made the Augusta Medical Systems quit selling that unit to Fitzz to make up the three cylinder VED. So, it has gone by the wayside.

I personally used the Osbon Esteem one cylinder for my VED therapy. It just took longer to do than the three cylinder model would have done. As far as I know the Obson Esteem VED is still available from the Timm Medical Division of Endocare company.

You can do a Google search on the web for it and may locate several sources for it.

Sorry, I could not help. Regards, Old Man
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: jackp on November 07, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
Pat_hos

When I came to this forum several years ago I already had a Rx single cylinder VED. Old Man helped me with the single cylinder exercise. I have it posted on the VED board.

It is a little slower than the three cylinder exercise but does work. I lost about 20% of my penile size and the VED helped me regain a lot. I my condition and ED got real bad and I had to go for the penile implant. My doctor said that the daily exercise I did helped with my better than expected outcome.

Good Luck, any way I can help let me know.

Jackp
Title: Idea for buying Vitality with cylinders
Post by: user of no names on November 08, 2010, 07:49:31 PM
I want to purchase the Vitality from Diabetic Wholesale company but need the extra tubes.What i wanted to do is try and purchase the cylinders from augusta before i bought the Vitality. Augustas website at augustams.com/store/store_sub.cfm?Category_ID=13  shows the cylinders on the page but would i need any other accessories like the sizing adapters?Page 2 at the above link has the SomaCorrect Negative Pressure Insert so how is this different from the SOMAErectStf Negative Pressure Cylinder?Trying to buy these from augusta seems like a crapshoot but I would like to have the 3 cylinder system.thanks jesse
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Pat_Hos on November 09, 2010, 01:48:52 AM
Old Man and Jackp,

Thank you both for your replies.  I appreciate it.

I will proceed with the Osbon Erecaid prescription my doctor gave me (but he doubts my Blue Cross Insurance will cover it).  If there is only a one cylinder system available then I will have to go with that.  Frankly until I start using it I don't know the difference but once I read the instructions ans start using it I am sure it will all make sense.  Perhaps I can buy the two other cylinders elsewhere when I am ready for them.

I looked through the old posts and came upon the pasted section below from Jackp, this must be post you referred to...
(I must say it looks like quite a time ordeal but I will have to work it into my schedule in the hope I might gain back some of what I have lost.)

This exercise is modified for those that already have a medical grade VED. Old Man was kind enough to recommend it for me.

VED EXERCISE

SINGLE CYLENDER MEDICAL GRADE MODELS

ED, PEYRONIES, CORPORAL FIBROSIS AND VENOUS LEAKAGE

As some of you know the instructions that come with the VED can be vague. Old Man recommended this exercise for me.

NEVER PUMP TO THE POINT OF PAIN OR EXCESS PRESSURE!! I did at first and caused a bruise on my penis that took weeks to heal. With this more is not better. Also hair can be a problem getting a good seal. Some of us just keep it trimmed back and others shave around the penis, what ever works for you. Do Not use a constriction ring for exercise.

VED for exercise. Every day.
Start with a good seal and pump to about 80% erect. Hold for 15-20 seconds then release, (do not break seal). Do this for about 5 minutes.

Over the next 5 minutes pump up to a 100% erection using the pump hold and release method.

The next 5 minutes keep pumping to 100% erection using the pump and hold. Caution do not over pump to the point of pain. At this point if you have shrinkage you may see some gain. After a few weeks.

VED for sex.
Start by properly placing the constriction ring on the cylinder. Get a good seal and pump to about 80% erection using pump and hold about 5 times. Then increase to about 90% erection and place the constriction ring.

Constriction Rings.
Constriction ring fit is a personal thing what may be right for me will not work for you. It will not be comfortable the first few times you use it. Trial and error are the only way to find which ring holds you best. Do not use over 30 minutes.

IMHO Osborn makes the best constriction rings. I had severe venous leakage and corporal fibrosis so I had to use the Osborn D ring. (Very tight.)

Any questions just let me know.

JackP
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: neyland on November 12, 2010, 08:40:04 PM
Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: tl48 on November 14, 2010, 08:14:04 AM
What company did you buy your extra tubes from?  I can't seem to find Augusta on the webpage.

Thanks
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: elite1 on November 15, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: neyland on November 12, 2010, 08:40:04 PM
Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price

This is great to hear! Congratulations! Good luck with your progress.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: tl48 on November 19, 2010, 07:57:22 AM
Found Augusta on the web- They took my order for the A & B tubes at $55 each.  I also purchased the Vitality for $99 from diabetessupplies4less.  Hopefully they arrive soon to begin the potential process of recovery.  I want to thank everyone for posting on this site.  I was diagnosed several months ago and my urologist said take vit e and give it time.  Reading all of the info here has given me hope that there may be help.  I found a specialist in Denver and will provide an update after my visit today.  :-\ 
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: dale1122 on November 19, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
I called augusta today and the salesperson said they are only selling the tubes to existing patients or new patients with a prescription that buy a whole 3 cylinder system. I cant figure how others are able to order just the cylinders A and B from Augusta because they wont sell them to me. They didnt know who I was as I never gave them a name.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: tl48 on November 19, 2010, 08:47:06 PM
To Dale1122,
I didn't call.  I figured with trying to purchase on-line there wouldn't be any questions.  Maybe the on-line purchase will work? ???
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Jammer on November 21, 2010, 02:57:15 AM
Quote from: neyland on November 12, 2010, 08:40:04 PM
Just wanted to let folks know that I was able to purchase the 2 extra A & B cylinders from Augusta for the Vitality OTC with no issues.  Ordered them last weekend and received them in the mail yesterday.  Either I was just lucky or they're allowing folks to purchase them online again.  I had followed another poster's advice and bought the Vitality OTC from diabetessuppliesforless.com for a great price

To reiterate, I also got them with no problem, but it was 2 weeks before my cc was charged.  So I suggest giving it a try and if they refuse look elsewhere.  Strange how they are so inconsistant.  I can understand if one of the reps dislikes the fact that they are bypassed by us getting a cheaper version (and I dislike that they are over priced).  Its just two plastic tubes for Gods sake.

Dale, use another name and a different CC.  If having an issue finding other sources it may be worth a try?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: tresh on December 01, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
Had similar experience with Augusta.  Ordered two additional tubes on their website and received an email that I was required to have a prescription device first before I could order the two tubes and a separate prescription for the two tubes.  My VED was Augusta's Vitality but not purchased from them directly.

Without sending in any prescription, I waited a week and then reordered two tubes on their website and they came a week later with no questions asked.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: alfapd on December 05, 2010, 08:36:02 AM
Could the FDA ruling also effect the availability of the single tube Vitality unit?  I have had a manual unit on order from Fitzz for two months.  When I inquire about the order, they say it is on back order.

My first one worked until I dropped the tube for the 3rd time and it finally broke at the threads.   I figured it would be good to buy a replacement pump too, but now I will order a replacement tube from Augusta.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: fubar on December 05, 2010, 11:37:17 AM
Alfapd

You miight want to try americandiabeteswholesale you can buy the whole vitality unit for 89.00 $. You can also buy spare parts for cheap including the pump or cylinders.

Good luck : fubar
Title: Re: Idea for buying Vitality with cylinders
Post by: fubar on December 07, 2010, 12:46:21 AM
Jesse

I would just take a shot on line that would be your best choice. As if they charge your card they would be obligated to send you product. Just a thought on obtaining on what you desire for a remedy.

Fubar
Title: Re: Idea for buying Vitality with cylinders
Post by: neidz on December 12, 2010, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: fubar on December 07, 2010, 12:46:21 AM
Jesse

I would just take a shot on line that would be your best choice. As if they charge your card they would be obligated to send you product. Just a thought on obtaining on what you desire for a remedy.

Fubar
Title: Re: Source for buying used Vitality OTC three cylinder VED package
Post by: Old Man on December 14, 2010, 05:47:46 PM
Note to all:

I have been informed by a forum member that he has a three cylinder Vitality OTC VED and a Fast Size penis stretcher that he would sell at a reasonable price. These items have seen very little use and should be a good buy. He no longer needs them since he had an implant done recently and has no further need for these items.

Anyone who is interested in purchasing these, just shoot me a private message and I will put you in contact with this member.

Old Man
Title: For Sale Fastsize device Half price!
Post by: John1954 on December 19, 2010, 03:08:20 PM
I have a Fastsize device for sale. It is in perfect shape. I only used it a few times. I paid three hundred for it and I will sell if for one hundred fifty dollars. Please contact me here. Thank you, Jack
Title: Re: Augusta Vitality 3 cylinder pump for sale and a Fastsize device also
Post by: neidz on December 23, 2010, 11:13:03 AM
Jack,

Your Augusta has 3 Cylinders?... Yea, I will probably take it if it's what I am thinking.  Did you buy the other 2 cylinders separately?  I live in SLC.  How would you want to be paid?
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: GDC on January 13, 2011, 01:51:24 AM
Does Augusta ship in discreet packaging? I live in a house with many others and it would be a little embarassing if they knew what I was ordering.
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: Old Man on January 13, 2011, 06:12:53 AM
GDC:

To the best of my knowledge, Augusta always ships in plain wrapper. So, if you don't open the package in the presence of others, you should be in the clear. I always get my packages from them in plain wrapper with no visible signs of the contenst spelled out anyway on the wrapper.

Old Man
Title: Re: Tried to buy VED - Augusta wouldnt sell cylinders
Post by: KAC on January 13, 2011, 07:17:54 PM
I ordered the cylinders from Augusta recently. I shared your concern, but it was all very discreet.  Brown box, small print.  It probably said Augusta Medical on the return address.  Don't worry about it.  KAC
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Brightdog on January 26, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
My first VED, a manual one with a gauge and 3 cylinders, did not hold up very well. Reluctant to spend more money, I went on EBay.

A seller who goes by the name leluvshop had a heavier-duty manual pump and a 1.75" cylinder. I already had 2", 2.25" and 2.5" ones. Anyway, for less than $100 I got the pump and cyclinder sent by courier internationally. It arrived promptly and it not only works just fine, but it also fits the other cylinders.

I am a little behind on my VED therapy plans because it took me so long to get around to ordering the replacement pump, but I am pleased and now back on the protocol.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Mike_O on January 27, 2011, 01:02:30 PM
Thanks for the post about your eBay purchase.

If going with separate cylinders, the 3 sizes that are most appropriate are 1.5", 1.75", and 2". These sizes correspond with the Augusta VED cylinders A, B, C respectively.

There are various pumps out there - I suggest metal with a gauge. The plastic and bulb style pumps seem to break quickly.
Title: Re: Sources for Separate Cylinders & Pumps
Post by: Brightdog on January 28, 2011, 01:06:07 AM
Yes - I have the slightly larger cylinders because I am post-op with a graft and my circumference is actually larger than pre-op. For most people the Augusta sizes are probably best.
Title: ved appointment today=-
Post by: jamesmetairie on March 02, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
i,m several months into Peyronies Disease. and been on pentox for a few months.spouse says she see,s slight improvement on the curve and length?? recently started testosterone gel daily .today i sat with the ved sales rep  at oschner hospital in new orleans area. product is single cylinder osbon erecaid. price = $525.  i,m a fed worker with blue cross ,basic and i,m waiting for the company to clear it with blue cross. will update as things progress.
Title: Re: ved appointment today=-
Post by: Old Man on March 02, 2011, 07:22:55 PM
james:

If you don't get a very good discount from the Osbon Erecaid VED and insurance coverage, you will be spending way too much for the the VED. And, the three cylinder VED is a much better overall unit for Peyronies Disease symptoms. The 26 week VED therapy protocol is designed around the use of the three cylinder VED.

Let me know if you need the sources of the Vitality OTC one cylinder VED and the two extra cylinders needed to make it a three cylinder VED. The cost is much lower than the $525.00 you mentioned below.

Old Man
Title: Re: ved appointment today=-
Post by: jamesmetairie on March 02, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
thanks old man
Title: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 05, 2011, 04:20:43 PM
Is the 3 cylinder VED still available? I went hunting for it online and it seems that Augusta Medical is the only one who still carry it and they do not indicate what size is included in the kit for $199. The also offer separate Standard and large cylinders.

Reach Medical seems to have the same kit as above for $149 but there is no way to tell unless I try to actually order it from them. One other retailer shows *OBSOLETE* on their site.

I am strongly considering starting a VED protocol and would like recent experiences on where the best place to purchase one would be.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: peyrosucks on March 05, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
Here is what I did, and ended up paying about $210.  I went to Diabetes Supply 4 Less.  Lookup Augusta Medical Vitality.  That will give you the VED with the large cylinder, which would be the C cylinder.  Then I went to Augusta Medical and purchased the A and B SomaErectstf tubes. Now you have a 3 cylinder system with the A, B, and C tubes.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 05, 2011, 10:28:20 PM
Thanks - I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: qowpel on March 08, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
I am also wondering about this?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 08, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: qowpel on March 08, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
I am also wondering about this?
I think we have our answer here:
Quote from: peyrosucks on March 05, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
Here is what I did, and ended up paying about $210.  I went to Diabetes Supply 4 Less.  Lookup Augusta Medical Vitality.  That will give you the VED with the large cylinder, which would be the C cylinder.  Then I went to Augusta Medical and purchased the A and B SomaErectstf tubes. Now you have a 3 cylinder system with the A, B, and C tubes.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Ted Williams on March 11, 2011, 12:54:55 PM
This is what I did.  I have all 3 Cylinders and I had no problem getting it. 

it cost about $210 for me as well. 

I am just on the first C - Tube protocol and I believe I am seeing improvement. 

Quote from: Rockout on March 08, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: qowpel on March 08, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
I am also wondering about this?
I think we have our answer here:
Quote from: peyrosucks on March 05, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
Here is what I did, and ended up paying about $210.  I went to Diabetes Supply 4 Less.  Lookup Augusta Medical Vitality.  That will give you the VED with the large cylinder, which would be the C cylinder.  Then I went to Augusta Medical and purchased the A and B SomaErectstf tubes. Now you have a 3 cylinder system with the A, B, and C tubes.

Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 15, 2011, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: peyrosucks on March 05, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
Here is what I did, and ended up paying about $210.  I went to Diabetes Supply 4 Less.  Lookup Augusta Medical Vitality.  That will give you the VED with the large cylinder, which would be the C cylinder.  Then I went to Augusta Medical and purchased the A and B SomaErectstf tubes. Now you have a 3 cylinder system with the A, B, and C tubes.

This is what I did, but I received the following message from augusta medical:

We have received you internet order for the SOMAErectStf Cylinders, and unfortunately we will not be able to place this order as submitted. These are parts of a prescription device, and I do not show any information in our system to indicate you have previously purchased one of our systems. If you could provide me with the registration information for the system you have purchased, by phone or email, I will be able to continue with the order. The information needed is the registration number (starts with a letter, maybe two, followed by 4-5 numbers) and the date of purchase

Do I just need to give them the registration number of the VED when I receive it?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 15, 2011, 01:34:18 PM
Rd

If you bought the vitality otc you do not want the somacorrect cylinders.I'm not sure if it is still there but there was a locked board that had the direct link.Look at the locked ved boards.It may have been taken down because all the problems people were having following instruction.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 15, 2011, 01:38:30 PM
Rd

I checked and looks like that information is gone if you are getting the vitality I would look specifically for the cylinders for the vitality.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 15, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
Ok so I'm confused now, I ordered the Augusta Medical Vitality: Manual Operation Vacuum Erection Device VY from diabetessupplies4less then I thought from the previous poster I was suppose to order the A and B SomaErectstf tubes from augusta medical. What tubes am I suppose to get and where?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 15, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Looking at the ones for the OTC model I only see 2 cylinders standard and large. I ordered the OTC from Diab direct and that comes with the standard cylinder, looking at augusta medical they only list the standard and large for the OTC. Do I just need to order the Large and only have a 2 cylinder system?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 15, 2011, 04:57:03 PM
Rd

That may be how they are listing them.The sizes of the tubes should be found in the locked boards some where.If not I'm sure oldman or some one will help you soon.If not I will get back to you with the sizes.I'm busy at work at the moment.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 15, 2011, 11:18:13 PM
Rd

Looks like those SOMA cylinders are the ones you want the 1.5 "and the1.75".I think you might have to do it there way register and get a prescription.I found them on the second page of cylinders and sizing inserts.The vitallity comes with the inserts.

Hopefully some one will come up with that link that was setup for us.I have a feeling they put a stop to it though.First send them the information they requested and see what happens.Like I told you in a pm I saw Thea vitality called somthing totally different don't know why their swapping names of the same product.One product with three names go figure.


To cut to the chase you may want to pm Ted Williams he seems to have been victorious in claiming his extra cylinders.He is just a few post down.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 06:41:25 AM
Does anybody know if you would have had to have bought the initial Vitality kit through them? What if it was bought through a third party, would you still register with them?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 16, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: fubar on March 15, 2011, 11:18:13 PM
Rd

Looks like those SOMA cylinders are the ones you want the 1.5 "and the1.75".I think you might have to do it there way register and get a prescription.I found them on the second page of cylinders and sizing inserts.The vitallity comes with the inserts.

Hopefully some one will come up with that link that was setup for us.I have a feeling they put a stop to it though.First send them the information they requested and see what happens.Like I told you in a pm I saw Thea vitality called somthing totally different don't know why their swapping names of the same product.One product with three names go figure.


To cut to the chase you may want to pm Ted Williams he seems to have been victorious in claiming his extra cylinders.He is just a few post down.

Fubar


Yeah I thought the soma cylinders where the ones I want. I just received a email back from agusta, I tried the sugguestion on here and told them I was trying to order the cylinders for ed and here is what I got in return.

the Soma erect cylinders you ordered are specifically designed for me with Peyronie's disease, which is a curvature of the penis. They require more than one size cylinder to help them straighten that curvature out. If you are just wanting to order the cylinder for your Vitality system, you would want to order the Vitality Negative Pressure Chamber (Standard) which is $75 plus $11.95 in shipping. If this is what you meant to order, I will be happy to change it and get it processed for you. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

So now I'm more confused, because I thought I read somewhere on this site that augusta had issues with the FDA and there ved's being used for peyronies. What I am getting from augusta is that they have a ved and cylinders specifically for peyronies but you need a prescription for it am I under standing this right?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: rd on March 16, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
Yeah I thought the soma cylinders where the ones I want. I just received a email back from agusta, I tried the sugguestion on here and told them I was trying to order the cylinders for ed and here is what I got in return.

the Soma erect cylinders you ordered are specifically designed for me with Peyronie's disease, which is a curvature of the penis. They require more than one size cylinder to help them straighten that curvature out. If you are just wanting to order the cylinder for your Vitality system, you would want to order the Vitality Negative Pressure Chamber (Standard) which is $75 plus $11.95 in shipping. If this is what you meant to order, I will be happy to change it and get it processed for you. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

So now I'm more confused, because I thought I read somewhere on this site that augusta had issues with the FDA and there ved's being used for peyronies. What I am getting from augusta is that they have a ved and cylinders specifically for peyronies but you need a prescription for it am I under standing this right?

The Vitality system on a third party site is listed as containing the following:

Augusta Medical Vitality: Manual Operation Vacuum Erection Device VY
Easy to use Negative Pressure Device * Negative Pressure Chamber * Two Sizing Adapters * Five Comfortable Tension Systems * SomaTherapy-ED Lubricant * Discreet Carrying Case * Instruction Manual * Registration Card * Comprehensive patient instruction manual * Standard Cylinder: 2.25in x 8in

If you already have a "Vitality Negative Pressure Chamber (Standard)" then I would imagine you don't need another one but maybe I am missing something here. I plan to order my initial 'Augusta Medical Vitality: Manual Operation Vacuum Erection Device VY' system and then get the A and B cylinders from Augusta Medical.

If Augusta are asking for the serial number for the initial system perhaps they are trying to track down the providence of the system in their supply chain - as Augusta charge up to double what others are charging for the initial system. That said, I wonder if it would be less hassle to buy the initial kit and the A and B cylinders all from Augusta. More money but less hassle :'(

@RD: Did you purchase your initial system through Augusta or a 3rd party?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 16, 2011, 11:18:04 AM
Rockout I purchased my OTC unit from Diab direct. I basically tried to do what one user listed they did to get the unit. They went to diabitiesdirect.com got the Vitality unit from there and then the other two cylinders from augustams.com and that's where i am having the issue ordering the two additional cylinders.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: rd on March 16, 2011, 11:18:04 AM
Rockout I purchased my OTC unit from Diab direct. I basically tried to do what one user listed they did to get the unit. They went to diabitiesdirect.com got the Vitality unit from there and then the other two cylinders from augustams.com and that's where i am having the issue ordering the two additional cylinders.

I just re-read your last post. It appears that their motivation, as you point out, may be a regulatory one, rather than economic. At first I thought if you bought the initial system through a third party they wouldn't sell you subsequent tubes, now I am not so sure.

@RD: Did you give them your S/N from the system you purchased at diabitiesdirect.com?

I intend to do exactly what you are attempting right now, although I have the added complexity of being in Canada.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: rd on March 16, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
Not yet, as I haven't received the unit yet. That was my thought though. What worries me is that in one of the emails they sent me they told me that the additional tubes are part of a prescription device and without that you can't get them.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: rd on March 16, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
Not yet, as I haven't received the unit yet. That was my thought though. What worries me is that in one of the emails they sent me they told me that the additional tubes are part of a prescription device and without that you can't get them.

We may be forced to do a single cylider protocol.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 16, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
Rockout

Take a look at your registration form you send it to Augusta medical systems.I have noticed on the registration form. They ask for all primary care information, address information and presribing doctor.At the top of the form it reads important : immediately complete this registration form to activate your warrenty and be eligible for special prices or additional accessories and components.

Funar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: fubar on March 16, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
Rockout

Take a look at your registration form you send it to Augusta medical systems.I have noticed on the registration form. They ask for all primary care information, address information and presribing doctor.At the top of the form it reads important : immediately complete this registration form to activate your warrenty and be eligible for special prices or additional accessories and components.

Funar

Thanks Fubar,
I have not ordered one yet, like RD, I was going to order the initial VED from one of the diabetic places and tubes A and B through Augusta.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 16, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
I would go a head and buy the ved from the diabetic store. Then send the registration form with all the information that it asked.Then you can purchase the two other cylinders through them.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: mike67 on March 16, 2011, 04:53:48 PM
Fubar
I phoned Fitzz today to get a copy of my 2010 invoice for the 3 cylinder Vitality. I asked Kathy about obtaining the 3 cylinder package and she said she didn't know where to get it and that they no longer carried the item. We knew that. I should contact Augusta.
I rec'd an email with my document and a note from Mark stating:

Sir,
Customers can by the extra two sized inserts on the Augusta Medical 
website.  Please click here to find them.
They are $55.00 each and the gentleman will need Cylinder A and B.   
Cylinder C comes with the manual system.
We will have the manual systems available at Fitzz.com for $159.00 
within in the next 30 days (instead of the $199 on the Augusta Medical 
Site cost).

She must have mentioned our conversation to Mark. I clicked the site and they show all the components , including the 2 sizing rubber rings.
Contact me by email and I can send you the email that has the link.
Mike67

Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 16, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Mike

Please send me the link. I'm interested as that link seems to be no longer available on the forum.I wonder if they would still honor orders from that link.It was the only way to obtain them with no hassle.Like I stated earlier people that called instead of ordering them from the links had problems.

FUBAR
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
Is the Vitality OTC the only three cylinder VED available that is suitable for our condition? Does anyone have any experience in giving Augusta Medical a script from their doctor in order to get the two smaller (A and B) cylinders?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: hopeful_one on March 17, 2011, 10:28:53 AM
I ordered the Augusta Vitality OTC from americandiabeteswholesale.com although you can order it from many different online stores. Here is the product page:
http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/product/vitality-manual-erection-device_1232_143.htm (http://www.americandiabeteswholesale.com/product/vitality-manual-erection-device_1232_143.htm)

I ordered the A & B cylinders directly from AugustaMS.com. I didn't supply a serial number (S/N) to purchase the A & B cylinders, I just placed an order through their website and they shipped them to me. In fact, using a S/N wouldn't work because it would have to be from a VED that requires a prescription - the Vitality OTC would not qualify. I ordered the cylinders directly from these pages:
http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=88&Category_ID=13 (http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=88&Category_ID=13)
http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=89&Category_ID=13 (http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=89&Category_ID=13)

From reading the posts on the forums over the past few months I know that ordering the cylinders from AugustaMS.com sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. If it failed for you it might be worth a try to order again using a different billing name, credit card, ship to name and address. If you order and your credit card shows a charge from Augusta MS within a couple days, that's a good sign that the order is on its way to you. Good luck!
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: hopeful_one on March 17, 2011, 10:32:51 AM
Quote from: Rockout on March 16, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
Is the Vitality OTC the only three cylinder VED available that is suitable for our condition? Does anyone have any experience in giving Augusta Medical a script from their doctor in order to get the two smaller (A and B) cylinders?

Rockout:

If you get a prescription from your doc then you can order a complete package with the cylinders like this http://www.augustams.com/somaerectstf.cfm (http://www.augustams.com/somaerectstf.cfm). It will cost a lot more and may take some additional time to process the order, but considering the trouble it is now to order through other means you may want to go that route.

hopeful
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on March 19, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
To all

The SOMA and the Vitallity veds are the Same exact product! Look at all the pictures of the items.They are made by they same company.So if you buy the vitality seperate from an online vendor and then go and purchace the two, A and B cylinders you have the SOMA correct stf.You will save alot of money.Do what ever need be. I'm telling you it wont be long untill Augusta takes that option off the Table.Then everyone will be forced to spend 600 to 700 dollars for about a pound of plastic.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 10, 2011, 11:33:53 PM
hmm, just seen that on the augusta page the 3 cylinder model is at $648.00.

As I am in Europe i usually dont order from the states but look for an european provider first. (I hate going through customs and having to pay 20% extra for VAT)
I found a link here on the forum... (cant remember where)

http://www.imedicare.eu/products.html

and ordered the "Soma correct" 3cylinder system for 239 pounds that is $390. (The battery operated version is $50 more)
OK, they charged me an extra $10 for shipping and another $15 for shipping outside the UK.
But it is still roughly 1/3 cheaper than the augusta model, and it looks exactly the same.
Actually when reading the german version, (was difficult to find) they have 5 cylinders. small, medium, large, XL and XXL
It says: call us to purchase extra cylinders. (I do not know if they sell the cylinders if you have not bought the device there)

I am positive they would ship also to the states.  (I did not ask though)
Luc

[Update]2011/04/11: 14:00PM: got the package just delivered now... its the soma correct by augusta systems (thats what it says on the box)[/Update]
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on April 13, 2011, 01:56:04 PM
Luciano

This is the best price for the complete SOMA tree cylinder unit I have seen.The vitality that is the same exact unit from Augusta we were paying 299.00 $ from th fitzz co. So I hope guys take advantage of this opportunity.Do you know if they would sell the a And b cylinders seperate?

I will have to take another look
It says on the site that it is the SOMA correct.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 13, 2011, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: fubar on April 13, 2011, 01:56:04 PM
Do you know if they would sell the a And b cylinders seperate?

I will have to take another look
It says on the site that it is the SOMA correct.

Fubar
Positive. It is the SOMA Correct Xtra (it doesnt say it on the box --- just soma errect)
But handbook on the inside says SOMA Correct Xtra

As I said, it doesn't say on the site that you can purchase the cylinders separately, but there are language flags, and when you look at the site in german, it says "Contact us to purchase extra parts"
I had called them for the shipping question and they were very nice.

BUT ATTENTION: The prices (239,-) are NOT in US$, but in british pounds!!!!
1.00 British Pound = 1.63 USD


I paid with PayPal, which is the easiest way to pay I think

Luc
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Mike_O on April 14, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
WOW this VED is getting expensive!

I encourage everyone to read the sticky post at the top of the forum about homemade (and cheap) options. There are also lots of posts here (use the search for "cylinder" or "pump") that describe other ways to go. I own the often recommended Augusta Vitality 3 cylinder system - and I don't use it any more because I like the separate cylinders much better. Google is your friend. Ebay has lots of good cylinders for less than $35 each. The pumps are there too - I recommend the metal one with a gauge and again don't spend more than about $35 - even from amazon!
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 14, 2011, 04:50:08 PM
Quote from: Mike_O on April 14, 2011, 04:20:31 PM
WOW this VED is getting expensive!

I encourage everyone to read the sticky post at the top of the forum about homemade (and cheap) options. There are also lots of posts here (use the search for "cylinder" or "pump") that describe other ways to go. I own the often recommended Augusta Vitality 3 cylinder system - and I don't use it any more because I like the separate cylinders much better. Google is your friend. Ebay has lots of good cylinders for less than $35 each. The pumps are there too - I recommend the metal one with a gauge and again don't spend more than about $35 - even from amazon!

Thanks Mike. Can you post some links to some cylinders eBay cylinders you might recommend?
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Mike_O on April 15, 2011, 12:07:45 AM
Sure - you can start with this thread right here on this discussion board:
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,1366.0.html

Google search will yield a bunch of sites - do your research but don't buy anything!!!

I have not purchased from Vacu-Tech because I think they are over-priced but I include the link here so you can see what I mean
http://www.vacutech.com/home.asp

"Dr. Joel Kaplan" is a common pumping system - I don't like the plastic pumps and I think there are less expensive options available
http://www.drjoelkaplan.com/

LA Pump is another maker of cylinders and pumping "systems" with a DVD uncluded in their "packages" - I am not interested in their DVD...
http://www.lapdist.com/index.html

PumpToys has some interesting and unique stuff - still a bit expensive for me...
http://www.pumptoys.com/menu.htm

Pumping Plus - never seen this site before but looks like the typical offerings at high prices:
http://www.pumpingplus.com/index.htm

Now that you have an education and know what NOT to pay - go off to eBay and search for "penis cylinder" - don't buy anything yet - with a bit of education you can save a lot of money.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 15, 2011, 05:21:27 PM
Does anyone have the link on Augusta's website for the A and B cylinders? It appears as if they have vanished. They sell the SOMAerectStf for $595 but that requires a prescription.
http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=157&Category_ID=4
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Old Man on April 15, 2011, 10:49:18 PM
Rockout:

Go to this site:  www.augustams.com

Locate the link to the men's health section and look for the sizing inserts and cylinders link. That should take you to the home page of the cylinder. The heading will show them for the SomaSTF, but they are the same cylinders that will fit most of the Augusta VEDs including the Vitality OTC unit.

Old Man

Edit: Rockout, checked the site above, but could not find the links to their cylinders. Will look further into why the link is no longer listed and will advise what I find out.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 16, 2011, 02:54:06 AM
Quote from: Rockout on April 15, 2011, 05:21:27 PM
They sell the SOMAerectStf for $595 but that requires a prescription.
http://www.augustams.com/store/store_product_detail.cfm?Product_ID=157&Category_ID=4
I just followed the link... and it says (when you go to shop) : add to cart
when you add it.. you can buy it. didn't see anything about requiring a prescription.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Old Man on April 16, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
Luc:

The Vitality VED is available from Augusta without an RX. However, the SomaSTF does require an RX. Have also noticed that Augusta has removed the link to their men's health section from their home page. So, there appears to be no link to the extra cylinders and sizing inserts like it was sometime ago, so who knows what is going on with that company.

Old Man
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 16, 2011, 10:53:24 AM
Quote from: Old Man on April 16, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
Luc:

The Vitality VED is available from Augusta without an RX. However, the SomaSTF does require an RX. Have also noticed that Augusta has removed the link to their men's health section from their home page. So, there appears to be no link to the extra cylinders and sizing inserts like it was sometime ago, so who knows what is going on with that company.

Old Man
Thanks Old Man,
Do you know the difference between the Vitality and the SomaSTF? Is it just the additional smaller cylinders (A and B) or are there others differences? The cylinders used to be 55.00 each and they retail the Vitality for 199.00 but the SomaSTF is 595.00 (Wow). It seems like quite a jump in price for two plastic tubes.

Perhaps the European link that Lucian posted earlier is the way to go these days to get all three cylinders.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 16, 2011, 11:00:02 AM
Very strange indeed, just a question, the one I just got, calls itself soma correct with 3 cylinders
http://www.imedicare.eu/products.html

If you click stf, then they have 5 cylinders. so obviously they must somehow sell them separately:
http://www.imedicare.eu/sizetofit.html
But I cant find the link to purchase separate cylinders. Maybe the stf meens only different rings?
Either call them or send a mail, they were very nice and it seems the person on the phone processes the orders also (as I asked her to send to another adress).


Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 16, 2011, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Luciano on April 16, 2011, 11:00:02 AM
Very strange indeed, just a question, the one I just got, calls itself soma correct with 3 cylinders
http://www.imedicare.eu/products.html


Luciano, you got yours from the link above? Are they a reliable seller? I am in Canada, perhaps I will enquire as to them shipping to Canada.
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 16, 2011, 02:20:05 PM
Yes I got it from them. But so you dont run into trouble, send them a mail to ask for shipping.
Because you pay with paypal, which I think is good.
But in the cart there is only an option 7.65 shipping.
I clicked it, but they then sent me a mail, saying: sorry 7.65 is shipping to UK only. To austria its an extra 12.00
So I sent them an extra 12.00 per paypal and then they sent it the next day.

Took 5 days to be delivered.

Now I am in Europe (Austria)
I have no idea how much they charge for shipping to Canada.
But it worked very well.

Luc
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 16, 2011, 08:27:45 PM
Thanks Luciano,

As long as they are reliable I will check them out. PayPal adds some protection for sure.

Before I proceed down the path of ordering from the UK, does anyone know of any other sources for less than roughly $375 USD for the three cylinder Vitality VED? I know I can get a single cylinder one for roughly $100 USD but I would still need the other two for the three cylinder protocol.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: fubar on April 17, 2011, 06:23:53 PM
Rockout

The answer to your question in your last pm to me is ,yes.You need to empty your mailbox it is full.

Fubar
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 17, 2011, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: fubar on April 17, 2011, 06:23:53 PM
Rockout

The answer to your question in your last pm to me is ,yes.You need to empty your mailbox it is full.

Fubar

Thanks Fubar - I emptied the inbox  :)
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Rockout on April 18, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
I was considering buying my three cylinder VED through the outfit in the UK that Luciano posted.
I emailed the link below and got a very prompt reply from Darren:
http://www.imedicare.eu/products.html
"I am afraid our remit to distribute SOMAerect doesn't extend beyond the boundaries of the EU. Please redirect your interest to the manufacturers based in Augusta, Georgia, USA: www.augustams.com, I am fairly certain they have a Canadian distributor in place."

I then called Augusta and they do not have any Canadaian distributors. I thenm asked about the smaller A nad B cylinders and she said they took them off the site and they are only available to people who have the SOMA Erect system already. Ugghh! Then I asked if I could buy the SOMA Erect and if I don't have a precription, it will be $595, plus shipping and handling - WOW, that is a lot of money!

Two questions.

1- Does anyone know where I can get a cheaper Augusta SOMA system over the counter?
2- Is a one cylinder VED protocol effective?

Thanks :-)
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Luciano on April 19, 2011, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: Rockout on April 18, 2011, 07:38:43 PM

Two questions.

1- Does anyone know where I can get a cheaper Augusta SOMA system over the counter?
2- Is a one cylinder VED protocol effective?

Thanks :-)
Really sorry to hear that they dont ship overseas!
As to the one cylinder VED protocol  i actually dont know.
But I would suppose that if you get 2 one cylinder veds of different sizes, it should do the trick.
https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,696.0.html
At the bottom of the 3 single VED protocol it says, that if the small VED is to small for you and doesnt feel comfortable, replace the small cylinder in the protocol with the medium one.
So IMHO 2 VEDs of different sizes should be fine.
But I would contact "Old Man" as he seems to have lots of experience with the protocols.

Luc
Title: Re: 3 Cylinder VED still available???
Post by: Old Man on April 19, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
Rockout:

Yes, there is a one cylinder protocol listed in the VED board under that title. Just look it up on the home page under the VED board section.

It was developed by me for those who needed a one cylinder protocol. It does take longer to produce results than the three cylinder model though, so give it more time if you elect to go that route.

Old Man
Title: where to buy
Post by: dioporcolorisolvo on May 31, 2011, 08:27:25 AM
Hi, where can i buy on the web a good 3cylinder vacuum device?
I'm from italy.  Thanks
Title: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: pvpey on May 31, 2011, 01:40:58 PM
After PMing with "Old Man" and reading the forum, I contacted the company and was informed that they no longer carry the 3 cylinder device. I was told that the manufacturer would not allow them to sell extra parts, tubes etc.. and thus they stopped carrying the product.

However they did give me the name of the distributor, Vitality Medical and it was easy to find them through a Google search. www.vitalitymedical.com . Vitality carries VED devices from the following companies : Encore, Osbon ErecAid, POS-T-VAC, Timm Osbon. So my question to those of having success using this treatment is what brand and model should I purchase? There is quite a big price difference for these devices, up to over $500.

Maybe I missed it or Old Man can post it again, but I didn't see a model number when reading the forum here, but vaguely remember POS-T-VAC mentioned somewhere. When I called Fitzz I simply asked for the 3 cylinder version that Peyronies patients request and that's when they told me they no longer carried it.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: where to buy
Post by: pvpey on May 31, 2011, 01:42:35 PM
www.vitalitymedical.com Ask others for suggested model #.
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: pvpey on May 31, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
After more reading here and some medical sites it would seem the 3 cylinder Soma Correct Soma Blue VED is made for Peyronies sufferers. But I haven't seen it offered for less than $500 online. Is this right? Or are there more affordable, but as effective devices offered. Hell, I've wasted far more than that amount on useless Verapamil ointment, but that was over a 6 month period. Just wondering if I should bite the bullet and pull the trigger paying this much or what my options are.

I also read where one member had Verapamil Injections and then started using the pump with very good success. Anybody have experience or input? Thanks
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: Old Man on June 01, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
pvpey:

Read my PM to you dated 5/31/11 today.

Old Man
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: Itsallmyfault on June 11, 2011, 08:53:02 AM
I've just joined this forum as my husband has Peyronie's.  We are looking for a VED system to use after his surgery next week.  Do you have a source for the 3 cylinder system for less than $500, Old Man? 

I'd also like to say thank you to those that post here- I've had trouble finding good information from people who are going through the same thing!

-M
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: Old Man on June 12, 2011, 07:45:22 AM
M:

Read my PM to you this date.

Old Man
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: idreamon on June 12, 2011, 09:19:20 PM
Hi old man, i am in the same situation as M, been around in this forums for a long time and recently decided to commit to the 3 cylinder Soma Correct Soma Blue VED therapy. Would really appreciate your help. Thank you sincerely.
-J
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: Old Man on June 13, 2011, 09:42:38 AM
idreamon:

See my PM to you this date.

Old Man
Title: Vitality Manual pump
Post by: chris306 on June 13, 2011, 03:39:30 PM
Hello Gentlemen (and Ladies),

First off, let me say that I have been a lurker here for a while and the information I have gotten from the many posters here has been invaluable in ways that I cant even describe....So, thank you...........I purchased the 3 cylinder ved with the manual pump head from fittz over a year ago (manufactured by Augusta). Well, long story short the warranty has run out and the manual pump has broken. (Something snapped...no pun intended...inside the pump, rendering it useless.) I've been looking for a replacement manual pump as i do not want to purchase the entire product again. If anyone here could help with a place where i can buy just a replacement pump or even from someone on the board who either has an extra one they don't use or is no longer using the protocal as therapy it would be a big help. If someone on the board has one, and is willing to sell it, I of course will pay the shipping costs as well. Thanks everyone.

Chris
Title: Re: Vitality Manual pump
Post by: Old Man on June 13, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
Chris:

Even though the warranty has run out, you should still be able to purchase just the pump head from the Augusta Medical Systems who made the unit.

Go to their web site and use the contact section to ask them about purchasing one. Or, get their 800 number off their web site and call the customer service representative and discuss purchasing one that way.

I am sure that you are not the first customer who has broken the pump and needed a replacement.

Old Man
Title: Re: Vitality Manual pump
Post by: Worried Guy on June 13, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
Chris,

I'm currently using the oborn esteem model and you get a 5 year warranty with that!  It is more expensive to buy first time round though.  You have been using the VED for over a year!?  Have you not experienced all the gains you are likely to benefit from?  Have you noticed much in the way of improvement?  I guess using a VED for maintenance is a good idea anyway.
Title: Re: Vitality Manual pump
Post by: fubar on June 13, 2011, 10:30:32 PM
Chris
I know AmericandiabetesWholesale.com use to sell all the parts to the vitality.A pump use to be 47.99$.Does not seem they list parts as an option anymore.You might want to call them.I bought a replacement ved from them For 68.99$,now they are priced at 109.99$ shipping included.Might want to check out diabetes4less the vitality priced at 99.00$ .I do not know what they charge for shipping.

Good luck,  fubar
Title: Individual Cylinders no Longer Available for Purchase?
Post by: Straightasafirehose on June 26, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Hey guys,

I went to purchase the Vitality OTC model from diabetessupplies4less.com, which is still available.

However, when I went to the Augusta website to purchase the 2 additional cylinders,they were no longer listed on their products page... What gives?
Title: Re: Individual Cylinders no Longer Available for Purchase?
Post by: Old Man on June 26, 2011, 05:15:48 PM
Straightasafirehose:

See my PM to you this date in answer to yours.

Old Man
Title: New here
Post by: Cort on July 06, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
First I would like to thank all of you, this board has made me feel like less of a leper.

I noticed about a year ago that I was having some pain when I got an erection, but I ignored it until I noticed that I was losing girth near the head and I could feel some plaque under the skin. I went to my urologist and he said that I did indeed have Peyronies... Over the past few months I've lost girth in the top inch or two and have developed a 15 degree upward bend.

On reading about them in this forum I purchased a Vitality and it should be arriving this friday. It is just the 1 cylinder model, my insurance won't pay for the three. I noticed that I can't purchase the other 2 cylinders from Augusta. I see that Old Man has been sending out PMs when people mention this. Is there any way I can buy the other 2 cylinders from somewhere?

Also does it sound like VED will work for me? I read that the Traction devices don't really work well on peyronies near the tip. So I was hoping VED would help me regain some girth and correct the bend a little.

Thanks again guys, this board has helped get me out of a funk.
Title: Re: New here
Post by: fubar on July 06, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
Cort

You have to arm yourself the best you can. This disease is a b#"'ch.No there is no way you can purchase the other cylinders.So you might need to be creative.This disease was definately not our decision neither is a cure.

Old man created a single ved protocol for jackp I would look into it.If you want a three cylinder ved by Augusta you need to visit your doctor and let him know this is your choice as you will need a prescription.

As wether the ved or traction works  wonders don't know but I have had good results from both.That is what counts,  all our symptoms are different and we may not get the same results.

I do think one should keep their mind open to choices because i don't want to think I'm one of the lucky one complete reversal at like 1 or less percent of the diseased.

Keep this in mind all physical devices may cause damage.

Fubar


Title: Re: New here
Post by: dioporcolorisolvo on July 07, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: fubar on July 06, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
Cort

You have to arm yourself the best you can. This disease is a b#"'ch.No there is no way you can purchase the other cylinders.So you might need to be creative.This disease was definately not our decision neither is a cure.

Old man created a single ved protocol for jackp I would look into it.If you want a three cylinder ved by Augusta you need to visit your doctor and let him know this is your choice as you will need a prescription.

As wether the ved or traction works  wonders don't know but I have had good results from both.That is what counts,  all our symptoms are different and we may not get the same results.

I do think one should keep their mind open to choices because i don't want to think I'm one of the lucky one complete reversal at like 1 or less percent of the diseased.

Keep this in mind all physical devices may cause damage.

Fubar




When did you start traction or VED since did you discover the disease?
Title: Cylinders for Vitality otc ved
Post by: Moses on July 09, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
I have a vitality ved that I purchased a few months back and its comes with one cylinder (C). If anyone wants to sell the A & B cylinders, I would be interested purchasing them. You can send me a personal message and I will get back with you.

Thanks
Title: Augusta Medical One Cylinder - Canada?
Post by: Straightasafirehose on July 14, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
Hey guys,

I tried to order the Augusta One Cylinder VED from diabetessupplies4less as Old Man suggested, but unfortunately the company does not ship to Canada. Does anyone have an alternative site to order from?
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: xrt on July 21, 2011, 11:45:19 PM
Hi there i'm new to the forum but I've been reading it for maybe the last 5 years.

I am young (23) and have pretty severe peyronies, with a 50 degree bend to the left and at least a 45 degree twist.

I have done verapamil + vitamin e combinations and trental for a while. Didn't do anything. This looks like something I'm keen to give a really good shot though.

One problem - I keep reading these threads trying to find the best model to buy - i'm convinced I need to get a 3 cylinder one (money isn't a problem when it comes to peyronies for me - i'll spend every last cent on it to get rid of it if I have to), but where do I buy it from and how much is it?

Is there some sort of reason why this can't be posted on a public forum? As everytime somebody asks people seem to just PM.

Also, just wanted to say Old_Man after reading your posts for maybe 5 years now, you've motivatd me to come back (I gave up on my peyronies for the last 3 years) and give this a try, and I will definitely keep you updated with my progress after I've ordered my unit.

If it's a pm or a reply to this thread, it would be greatly appreciated as to which VED I need and where to buy it from.

Just briefly on my peyronies - i've had it since I was 12, and i'm 23 now.... so I think it's very hard and calcified but I'm still going to be absolutely estatic if ANY progres is made. I also have a pretty bad hourglass deformity around the mid that causes a lot of bucking so I'm pretty keen to see if I can reduce that as well.

Many thanks guys
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: Old Man on July 22, 2011, 09:30:35 AM
xrt:

OK, glad to assist you in any way with your quest for some relief from this horrible mess called Peyronies Disease. It appears that you are favoring the 3 cylinder model VED as your weapon of choice for your therapy.

Early on, the lessor priced 3 cylinder VED was available through the Fitzz medical supply company, but you know the rest of the story there from reading the threads/posts about that issue. So, as you say that money is not object in getting a good VED, then you should consider getting the SomaSTF three cylinder VED from the Augusta Medical Systems company. However, it will require an RX from either your GP or URO stating you need it for ED, not Peyronies Disease. The FDA made them take it off the market as a Peyronies Disease therapy unit since the company did not conduct a clinical trials for using it in Peyronies Disease therapy. I am sure that you can convince one or the other of these docs to prescribe it for you. So, go that route.

You might be able to find the SomaSTF VED on a distributor for Augusta products, so do some homework in search that way. Sometimes, they are listed in EBay, so take a look there too. Let me know if I can help further.

Old Man
Title: Re: Fitzz No Longer Carries 3 Cylinder VED
Post by: fubar on July 24, 2011, 11:01:06 PM
Like old man said

For Ed not Peyronie's. Peyronie's. Is not consider a big deal to the medical community as we have all learned.One mans nightmare is another mans treasure,  go figure I want testicle implants doc can you help me?

Go in with Your rag wet and wring it out on his desk

Write everything you want to address down so you come prepared.Wasted time will only anger you.Make them listen they listen to breast.

You are important its all about survival when you get down do it.Winner or looser.I'm better than both I will conquer this!

Fubar

PS. If somthimg does not conquer me first
Title: Obtaining a VitalityOTC Pump In Australia !!
Post by: NotHard on January 15, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
Hi guys,

Sorry only second post here, I think I am in the Main forum area ???

On the Advice of "OLD MAN", I"m looking for some Aussie Help, as to how to obtain a
vitality OTC pump in Australia or an overseas company that will send to Australia.  All of the
companies I have googled and been refered to won't post to Aussie. :(

Another question for the Aussie's is Pentox, recognized or prescribed in Australia if not where can
I order it from, sounds like worth trying.

Any help please................Cheers Nothard.
Title: Re: Obtaining a VitalityOTC Pump In Australia !!
Post by: csp on January 25, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
Try Amazon, they carry the Vitality OTC for $113.94 and ship to everywhere.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: stuartmar on July 15, 2012, 05:57:52 AM

I personally used the Osbon Esteem one cylinder for my VED therapy. It just took longer to do than the three cylinder model would have done.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: Rockout on July 17, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: stuartmar on July 15, 2012, 05:57:52 AM

It just took longer to do than the three cylinder model would have done.
What do you mean it took longer?
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: fubar on July 17, 2012, 08:29:07 PM
Rockout

I have heard that it takes longer before. I believe that the idea of the smaller cylinders stretching and compressing
The penis against the cylinder walls it is assumed that the treatment is more effective and corrects faster. Whether this is fact would be hard to prove but in theory makes possible sense.

Fubar
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: Mitchell on September 18, 2012, 02:49:08 AM
Hi all, I just recently discovered this forum and decided to join instead of lurking. First off, thank you all very much for providing the wealth of information I've read on here, it's been such a blessing. I decided to post an intro here since I decided VED is my best course of option and I had a question regarding purchasing that I hope some of you would be able to answer:
I am relatively young, in my 20s, I was diagnosed about two months ago with peyronies when I visited my urologist concerning a sharp downward curve.  I have noticed the curve a few years back, it gradually worsened and stopped probably about a year or two ago. When fully erect I have a sharp downward bend (not 90 degrees but very noticeable).  However, I never experienced any pain during sex and with just a little pressure it straightens out to a slight bend, maybe 20-30 degrees (I am totally estimating here), which has just made some positions uncomfortable.  That being said, I would like to reduce the curvature as it just looks weird and has caused tremendous embarrassment to me.  I have no clue how I might have injured my penis, I went to the urologist, he diagnosed the problem as peyronies and told me to try verapmil. I did some researching online and of course it has led me to here. Based on readings so far I have concluded VED is probably my best option.

I am ready to order the Augusta OTC single cylinder device from total diabetes supply. However, I wanted to see if any of you have more insights you could share with me if this is the best way to go. So far from reading some of the threads it seems the 3 cylinder device works the best. However, like many others, I really don't want to drop $500 plus on my first order.  I would gladly buy it if that was the only option available. However, posts here seemed to indicate single cylinder devices produce great results as well, albeit with more time required. And it looks like purchasing the OTC single cylinder device then ordering the two other cylinders is no longer an option. My main question then is this, if after continued use for say, 20 weeks and the Augusta OTC produces no results, would the 3 cylinder device be an additional avenue worth exploring?

Again, I want to thank you all for your contributions to this forum and for reading this. I appreciate all of the information I have received just by reading a few threads.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: tee-lee on September 21, 2012, 05:25:55 AM
Mitchell....I had the same questions going in.  Then I thought, "if there's anything I'm willing to be a big spender on...it's my 'hangman'".  So, I took the plunge on the Augusta 3-cylinder device.  It just seemed to make more "common sense" to me...the 3-cylinder approach.  And I'm about 6 weeks in and feel it was worth it so far.  Definitely seeing results.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: swolf on September 21, 2012, 11:30:04 AM
Mitchell, I can help you out with some of my extra tubing if you decide to buy the Vitality VED. You may need access to tools to cut it further but otherwise it should work. You can PM me if you need it, though I might not be able to send it immediately.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: Norm on September 25, 2012, 09:37:23 PM
Does anyone know what the normal inside diameter is for the small cylinder of a 3-cylinder VED? I have purchased a one cylinder from the diabetic supply and want to fabricate my own small cylinder. But I have no idea what a good inside diameter would be. Anyone know? The device I bought has a 2.25" inside, so I know what my outside needs to be for the small one.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: swolf on September 25, 2012, 10:23:04 PM
If you bought the VED I think you bought (Augusta Vitality?) you can follow the directions by Buckeye given here: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,642.msg34623.html#msg34623 (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,642.msg34623.html#msg34623) It has exact measurements and everything you need to know.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: Norm on September 25, 2012, 11:03:57 PM
I thought I had seen every post here. Guess not. I had not seen that one. It is a very good description of how he did it. The main thing is, now I know the ID that I am aiming for, 1 1/2". I am much obliged to you for pointing this out to me and to Buckeye for his post. I plan to take a little different approach, but hope the end result will be the same. I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks again.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: swolf on September 26, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
Yeah, as long as you have the concept down it doesn't really matter how you go about accomplishing it. I followed Buckeye's directions but I think for some reason my measurements came out differently, I don't quite remember. But it works.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: flac on September 26, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
Hi. I have decided to buy a VED some weeks ago.
I decided to buy the single cilinder one everyone is recommending from the diabetes site.
But there is a problem: I'm from Brazil and the shipping cost is laughable, at best.

Quote from the Shipping page of diabetes suplies 4 less:
QuoteYES! International Shipping (Outside of the USA)

DiabetesSupplies4Less.com has partnered with a trusted third-party company, GlobalShopex.com to fulfill orders for our international customers. Simply put any items you wish to purchase in your shopping cart and choose the "international checkout" option. The items will automatically be transferred to the GlobalShopex cart. You may pay with international credit cards, PayPal and bank wire transfers. GlobalShopex will process your payment and guarantee delivery. Once your order is completed, all inquiries should be directed to GlobalShopex at customerservice@globalshopex.com or (786)314-7144.

but the price they ask is absurd:

Sub Total (USD)     $83.99
Shipping to BRAZIL
Shipping & Handling (USD)     $237.40
Duties, Taxes & Others (USD)     $91.15
Total (USD)     $412.54
Total Local Currency
(Brazilian real)     757.82

I'm just a college student, i dont have 400 dolars  (a.k.a 750 'reals').
I've bought some gameing stuff from Japan a year ago and the shipping price was normal. Whats the explanation for this being so expensive? Am i doing something wrong???

[EDIT] I'll probably just buy it from somewhere else...
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: james1947 on September 26, 2012, 05:30:44 AM
flac

You are right, the shipment price and taxes etc' are not logic.
You may try an other site, have some advices on the forum.
By the way, do you have Peyronies?

James
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: GS on September 26, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
A couple of things to think about:

I have been using my VED for 3 or 4 years now and the cost of the lubricating gel is more important to me than what I paid for the VED.

I have saved so much money by buying "ultra sound" gel instead of KY Gel, I have more than paid for the VED with the savings from the gel.

Since the ultra sound gel is so cheap, I don't try to conserve on how much I use and take a chance of not using enough.

Someone on this forum suggested the ultra sound gel as an alternative and I thank them very much.  It works just as well and I buy it on line by the gallon instead of a small tube.

Just my thoughts on the subject; I hope it helps someone.

GS
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: Norm on September 26, 2012, 09:46:22 AM
3 or 4 years? Please tell me you have seen some results.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: GS on September 26, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
Norm,

Quantifiable improvements are hard to come by in the Peyronies Disease business.  As I have said before on the forum, being stable and not having any pain during and after sex is progress, in my opinion.  I have, however, gone from a 45 to a 35 degree curve and have not lost a lot of length or girth due to Peyronies Disease.  I attribute that to the VED and supplements.

If any of you are thinking about reversing the effects of Peyronies Disease in a few weeks or months, I wish you the best, but I think you will be disappointed.  Fighting this disease is a marathon, not a sprint.

I am not trying to be pessimistic, just trying to be realistic.

GS
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: james1947 on September 26, 2012, 07:43:16 PM
I will second GS
QuoteFighting this disease is a marathon, not a sprint.
After one year on VED and gradually added medications/supplements to my treatment the sharp left bent close to the base get less sharp. The upward banana curve get also a little bit less.
I also get back 1/2" from the 2&1/2" lost to peyronies and some girth back also. It may sound not much, but it is for me.
I wish I begin treatment early and not three years after the Peyronies begone.

James
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: alfapd on October 16, 2012, 08:51:38 AM
I still have some spare plastic for making smaller Augusta internal device tubes.  I will send 8 inch pieces to requestors for the price of shipping.

I would also like to report that I have broken two Vitality units, purchased from American Diabetes, and finally took one apart this morning.  The pump piston attachment to the lever broke at the pin point.  A call to Augusta indicates one cannot get internal parts for the vacuum unit, so I will try to repair them with square brass tubing from a hobby shop. 

It may be a good idea to purchase the lifetime warranty for $99 when purchasing my next new unit.
Title: Re: VED purchasing and supply questions
Post by: pless on October 17, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
alphapd: That's disappointing news about the durability of the Augusta Vitality pump.  Did both your pumps break in the same way?  I guess so or you could have swapped parts.  Augusta puts a warning on the pump not to grip the handle when clasping the pump to the tube.  That warning is for anti-mechanical users, not you.  If straight pumping can break the plastic at a pin point there is not enough "beef" there.  Augusta's designers didn't do their FEA. Let's hope they modify the mold soon.

Can you advise on how to operate the Vitality pump to avoid your bad experiences?