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Title: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on February 12, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
this is  a new topic about dry fasting ,any advice is welcomed i started last sunday and just finished my first dry fasting.i believe is the most potent and realistic possible solution .I am wondering for more than a year now scientific articles about fibrosis genes epigenetics vaccines inflammation new methods to treat our condition or similar with ours but nothing seems to be able to completely reverse  Peyronies Disease even in rat models.After last friday i presented  almost all of my Peyronies Disease related research  thus far and  thought to give a try on fasting.I was on pescatarian IF from july till november of 2018.From november till christmas i tried OMAD. For december holidays i just binge ate and drunk what ever i wanted and i am now on  IF for three weeks.I am planning to start serious research for dry fast and then start  again with the goal of 5 days .My motivation was a girl who treated a tumor after 140 hours on dry fasting.I do not want to do any harm to me  or others out of ignorance,desperation,dogmatism or naiveness.There are other threads in this site with serious research about keto  and Peyronies Disease and water fasting,i hope we make a great thread .
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on February 12, 2019, 09:28:51 PM
I'll be doing extended "hard" dry fasting in March, repeatedly. If I lose all my fat I'm going to overeat until I pack more weight on, then rinse and repeat the dry fast until the Peyronie's is gone. Will swap from the water fasting thread to this thread when that happens.

DISCLAIMER: This is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Guys, please don't just dive into this without doing extensive research. Don't f**k up a great thing for the rest of us. We don't need someone being stupid and hurting themselves.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on February 13, 2019, 08:34:50 AM
I agree that fasting can be a great thing for weight loss and health, but how are you sure that losing bodyfat then regaining it is going to heal your peyronies? I would think that even with one meal a day, you'll eventually stop losing fat unless you started to eat less and less over time. Wouldn't it have the same effect to just eat one meal a day, eat all the calories you need for maintaining your current bodyweight and just stick with that?

Also, what is the benefit of dry fasting over a water fast? I think water fasting is easier to do long term and will probably get you in ketosis too. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on February 13, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
thank you JS,you are right that's why we have this thread now to have as much information as possible to be safe.Popopo after IF because of work i started one meal per day and still losing fat,but i walked more than two hours per day and drunk 3 double espressos,then every night came back home and ate a very large meal and fruits.But i was fitter and leaner when i was on pescatarian IF and 90min every day of HIIT and 90 min in total  of walking 
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on February 28, 2019, 02:33:36 PM
hi guys just finished 40 hours of hard dry fasting ,my dent is better ,i was hoping for 120 hours but couldn't continue,hope next time to hit at least 64-72 hours.i prepared my self  for 10 days with instructions of filonov dry fasting
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: diehardpatriot on February 28, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
Whyistgishappening: incredible. I'm currently adding weight to prepare for a long fast
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on February 28, 2019, 08:34:21 PM
diehard you don't need to add weight for a dry fast but its better if you do a preparation(a week or two before need a specific diet) ,also if never dry fasted again start with a 16 hour dry fast ,then a 20 hour and then a 36 hour.For every period of dry fasting you beed at least the double amount of time forrecovery and then dry fast again.Also watch out binge eating  one or two days  after your fasting you can have gains  after the fasting period(so eat clean and healthy) .For preparation read the filosonov book, bad written but the only textbook on dry fasting i could find.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: diehardpatriot on March 01, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
If I fast right now without putting on Wright I will look sickly. My body fat is very low
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on March 01, 2019, 09:23:19 PM
Why this, if only one poorly written book on dry fasting it's orobably not a good idea.  Lots of supportive literature for intermittent fasting though.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 02, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
I've not found any real research on dry fasting and autophagy, it is all random blogs and opinions. Humanity has always clustered around large water sources, being without food for extended periods would have happened regularly, being without water would not.

There are some very shonky opinion blogs about it also. This piece for instance https://perfectketo.com/dry-fasting/

It links to two studies supposedly supporting dry fasting, but if you actually read the studies they are about Ramadan, and water intake is allowed during Ramadan, just not when the sun is up. It is quite dishonest of that blog to link those studies the way they did.

If anyone has real research on why dry fasting is superior to water fasting, please do link it. I have read a lot on this topic now, and zero times have any of the people talking about water fasting linked to research that shows dry fasting accelerating any of the benefits of water fasting.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 04, 2019, 01:23:14 PM
tonysa i am on IF for the last 6 months no Peyronies Disease gains but still on for general health.skunk you really believe there is going to be research for dry fasting it would be unethical.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 05, 2019, 01:53:04 AM
Why would it be unethical? Water fasting research is not unethical.

But as there is no research, why are you doing it? What leads you to believe there are benefits over water fasting?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 05, 2019, 09:18:59 AM
but i saw benefits with less than 48 hours js the same
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 12, 2019, 03:09:41 AM
Finally dent free from water fasting (before/during fast): https://imgur.com/a/OVkQg2Y (after fast) https://imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs

popopo, the fat is required in order to do the fast without harming yourself. As long as you have fat on you, the body will extract water from it via essentially self destructing the cells. It melts off insanely quick, though. You're looking at about 25 lbs a week.

The idea behind dry fasting is that you are creating an environment within the body where it says "oh crap, resources are limited, everything not needed must go." It runs through fat roughly 3x faster than water fasting, and adds in sick, non-vital cells, anything below a certain threshold of health. Muscle does not get eaten unless you have no fat, although if you don't get enough sleep in that can make you catabolic, and light exercise the first day or two of a dry fast or the entire duration of a water fast keeps muscle on. Your human growth hormone will also spike so high throughout the duration of your fast that it preserves muscle as well. I actually built muscle while water fasting. Scar tissue, loose skin, diseased tissue, all get incinerated. This includes tumors. And so going along with that line of thought, I hope to completely remodel and replace my scarred penile tissue with healthy tissue. Following this, I plan on incorporating VED and a traction device, if needed. My main obstacles in using VED were my hard flaccid and inflammation, but the fasting improved my hard flaccid enough, and lowered my inflammation enough, where I feel comfortable using the therapy. I don't see anything else being required after this, and hopefully my penis is back to pre-Peyronie's at this point; that's the plan.

There is a ton of anecdotal evidence via the Snake Dieting group on dry fasting healing almost anything you can think of. The main source of my knowledge outside of said anecdotal evidence is Dr. Fililov's book, Dry Fasting: Myth vs. Reality (poorly translated, but I scoured it nonetheless). This book led many to dry fast, and all have corroborated the facts contained within. The founder of the Snake Diet bases his entire dry fasting system (which has seen extensive results that I will link below) on Filinov's book.

Here is a study on a 5-day dry fast: https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/357718 There are a lot more studies in Russian, but I don't speak Russian lol. They are at the forefront of fasting, it is literally part of their public healthcare system.

You're not going to find a lot of dry fasting studies in western medicine; it is very new, at least to us, although it is an ancient practice in reality. Pretty much every religion contains fasting in some form. But I ask you this: because it does not have sufficient studies in the English language, does this mean it is impossible for it to work? It's not like there are studies confirming it does NOT work; they just literally don't exist, and the fact that water fasting has been proven to work well led me to think (and, in my mind, confirm with what I could find) that dry fasting works even better. To use a video game analogy, if water fasting is a "healing" ability/spell, imagine you have now upgraded that to be 3x as effective and unlocked the ability to heal things the water fast could not heal. I throw myself behind this as a guinea pig and will put my theory on the line with my body, as you all have seen in my duration on this forum.

Some of the Snake Diet anecdotal evidence, and this is also recent:

Loose skin devoured over 1 year by daily intermittent dry fasting: https://www.snakediet.com/blog/dry-fasting-heals-loose-skin

Cancer cured with regimen of 3-4 day dry fast/3-4 day refeed per week (to keep weight up) on skinny girl: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcb1TCjF1xj/

Leader of snake diet group cured his herpes with dry fasting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FMWp5e9KNY

Science of Fasting documentary on YouTube (mainly water fasting, but GREAT documentary nonetheless): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b08X-GvRs

Dr. Filinov's book, Dry Fasting: Myth vs. Reality (poorly translated): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4tJ7C56vOnxYTVmZjVjY2ItMDk3YS00NDdiLTk2MzctYzMyYTMzZmY3MjJh?hl=en_US

And as you've seen, I completely rid myself of a painful dent I had via water fasting; I can only assume dry fasting will work better.

This is the protocol the cancer girl used, which is what I advise anyone underweight to use to dry fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0o8HB9WFSc I'll be using a similar protocol, only extended out to 7 day fast / 7 day feed or longer with the goal being to dry fast as many days consecutively as possible. I will break the fast if I feel like crap. That specific protocol, however, is a 3/4 day alternating cycle of dry fasting, then stuffing your face. It's pretty damn hard to damage yourself if you're only doing a 72-96 hour dry fast, so that should allay some of the fears of those who are hesitant to partake in an extended dry fast. Remember, however, that you should accustom your body to extended water fasting before attempting any dry fasting. It is also VERY important to know how to prepare for a dry fast, and especially, how to come out of it. You don't want to get refeeding syndrome (essentially just a major spike in zero-level electrolytes via stupid food intake post-fast); that can be very harmful.

Again, if anyone wants to know exactly what this is doing to your body, do yourself a favor and watch the "Science of Fasting" documentary I linked above (starts a little slow, but gets VERY good and informative after the first 5-10 minutes. Takes place in Russia and Germany, with English narration. Doctors, studies, etc. all contained within). Dry fasting is basically that on steroids. There are a lot more anecdotal accounts of dry fasting healing crazy things, but I don't feel like digging any more than I already have at the moment. All I know is, I'm not disregarding all of that information just because of a lack of f~@<ing studies outside of the Russian language. I'll be the test subject for our community; I'm that confident it will work. Throughout my life my BS detector has gone off at basically everything outside of mainstream medicine. It did not so much as budge after beginning my research on fasting. If anyone has any questions or comments I'll be happy to discuss. I will be doing a long, long feed of about 2-3 weeks to get my weight up, then start my dry fasting. I'll keep everyone updated, as usual!
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Paolo on March 12, 2019, 06:03:41 AM
I for one admire your commitment, seems you are getting great improvements  :)

Look forward to further updates.
Paul.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 12, 2019, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: JS1991 on March 12, 2019, 03:09:41 AM
Finally dent free from water fasting (before/during fast): https://imgur.com/a/OVkQg2Y (after fast) https://imgur.com/a/Nh11AEs

My man, please do put this information somewhere a bit more visible like your own improvement thread or something. Maybe people will start to believe us about fasting if they see visual documentation like you have now provided. Respect.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 12, 2019, 08:28:15 AM
js great news, guys what about a step by step guide?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 12, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
paolo, thanks!!

skunkworks, roger that, I'll do it now!

Whyisthishappening, I am going to write out a full Peyronie's Survival Guide, or Fasting Guide in great detail, I already have a draft written up. A lot of what I am going to be saying though is just a collection of knowledge from things I have already linked to. I'm also going to coach people as much as I can; I've been guiding diehardpatriot for a month or two already.

I honestly would like to help as many people here as I can. Yes, I want to cure myself, but if I can help others that would be almost as satisfying. I hate seeing suffering and if I can lift the physical and mental burden from other men suffering from the condition, that would make me very happy. Helping others motivates me almost as much as helping myself. I feel for every one of you. That is literally the only reason why I kept a timeline from the start and document everything I do in such great, exhaustive detail: to provide knowledge to the community, in the hopes that it will help you guys, even a little bit. Speaking of which, I've finally updated my timeline, although you all are probably aware of everything I've done in recent months if you follow these fasting threads.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 15, 2019, 11:47:53 AM
hello to everybody just finshed a 36 hour dry fast,i saw a slight improvement when i woke up.I do not think i can handle a prolonged dry fast right now,but every time i try is easier never past the 48 hour mark though.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 15, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
Do you think you cannot handle it because you are underweight, or because it is literally difficult for you to physically get through? If it is because you are underweight, use the Snake Diet Block Fasting protocol I linked above. If it is because you can't physically, well have you ever done a 72 hour water fast before? You need to complete that to get through the crazy keto flu and enable you to fast longer; it's a one time thing and it won't come back after the first time. You're essentially just adjusting your body to full-blown ketosis. It is step #1 in the snake diet protocol: Complete a 72 hour water fast.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 15, 2019, 08:22:42 PM
 i feel i can't physically do more than two days dry.never tried  72 water fast. my goal is 120 hours hard dry fast.do you believe it is easier to first do 72 hour water fast then 120 hour dry fast,or after water fast one week IF and then the prolonged dry fast .

  filosonov says water fast for one or two days before a prolonged hard dry one but i think i should experiment to see what suits me better .thus far it was my fourth dry fast ,the second of more than a day 36 hours actually and far easier than my first 40 hour dry fast,but with some exceptions.the first one (40hours) was hard dry,the second one 36 soft.also i was doing physical activities all the time and did not got bored ,socializing,and having fun,.the first one was very boring just staying home  reading books and magazines.

and something else for anyone who wants to experiment.you will see gains if any even after breaking the fast so be very careful to do not binge eat or drink ,stay on paleo raw vegan IF or keto and avoid junk food and sugar ,its very important how you break your fast and the period after it,remember we are doing it for a health issue and not to get lean ,like  an athlete who tries to make weight or a person for weight loss.
my best wishes to all of you
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 15, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
The reason you need to do a 72 hour water fast is to force your body into full blown ketosis and overcome the keto flu, break your sugar/carb addiction, etc. Your body needs to adjust to being in full ketosis, so you're going to feel like crap at first. I'm assuming that is what you're feeling, if I'm wrong then I would assume you don't have enough fat on your body. Just jump straight into a 72 hour water fast, then break it and eat, then dry fast as you please. Intermittent fasting sucks don't even mess with it for healing; it should be how you eat daily on refeed days. Trust me, do the 72 hour water fast and you'll feel 10x better. Don't over exert yourself during it. After that, you should feel absolutely fine during the first  72 of a dry fast. Also, be easy with physical activities while dry fasting and always listen to your body.

In terms of filinov/starting/breaking dry fast, the only reason he suggests sandwiching a dry fast between 2 day water fasts is to make starting and breaking the dry fast easier. Break the dry fast with coconut water, then an hour or so later knock back so baking soda in water to alkalize your body (you should start it like this as well), then you can move onto fruit later in the day, and the following day ease into solid food.

Also, if you get any kidney pain whatsoever, you can fix that by knocking back some apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and baking soda. Just drink the lemon juice through a straw you don't F~@< your teeth up (it's extremely acidic). Just search youtube for Snake Diet dry fasting videos, they have it down to a science and can answer all of your questions.

Edit: And do you have fat on you? What do you weigh? If you don't have enough fat DO NOT fast. You will eat away at muscle and this includes your heart.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 16, 2019, 06:48:46 PM
for 5 day dry fast how fat do i need i am about 10% right now
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on March 16, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
Is it even possible to go 5 days without water?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 17, 2019, 06:02:27 AM
popopo, Longest recorded is 18 days but I do not suggest going anywhere near that lol. I don't know where the mainstream got "3 days without water will kill you," they're retarded. Play by play of a 7 day dry fast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3LNSryj0E

Whyisthishappening, I don't go by body percentage, I go by actual weight, whether you can see your abs, just how much extra fat is obviously on the body. During the 7 day dry fast I linked above, the person lost 25 lbs, so I highly suggest you gain at least 10 if not more. 15-20 would be better.

Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on March 17, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
What's the benefit of dry fasting over water fasting for healing? And what you guys think would be better for example: going 5 days without food and water once (prolonged dry fast) 2 times in half a year or do intermittent fasting (water and coffee allowed) for a period of half a year. I know the benefits of fasting and the theory that it regenerates cells. I'm just curious if a more extreme version will have better results or if IF which is easier to do long term will have the same or better results. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 17, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
I just haven't seen even an attempt at an explanation for why dry fasting would be better. I don't expect studies, but if there isn't even a hypothetical biochemical explanation for why it could be superior I don't know why anyone is attempting it.

For example, there are no studies on Peyronie's and fasting, but we can explain the biochemical processes which could help. It's not based on nothing.

Right now, dry fasting being superior to water fasting is based on nothing.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on March 17, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
So much is tried out of desperation, I'd def put dry fasting in that category.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 18, 2019, 12:08:57 AM
I've said it many times, but I'll repeat myself again on what is essentially going on when you dry fast (and of course, there are a lack of studies on dry fasting specifically, so I can't "prove" scientifically what I'm saying).

With dry fasting, you are getting the exact same benefits as water fasting, only the autophagy effect is tripled. Literally. What we are doing here is forcing the body to create it's own water via destruction of it's own cells. This valuable water is only allocated to essential processes within the body. Inflammation requires water to thrive. This means that areas of inflammation, starved of water, become no longer inflamed. The body rapidly incinerates any non-essential cells, including bacteria, fungi, cancer cells, anything foreign or unhealthy, especially scar tissue, which it replaces with your own stem cells. The effect is much more dramatic than water fasting, because of what I previously stated and because the body is in "emergency" mode and does all of this very rapidly. It is extreme for sure, but so is the healing. We are cheating the process to our benefit. Personally, I believe it is an evolutionary tool that we (and pretty much every other animal) have had for a long, long time. When severely injured, an animal (or human for that matter) would just lie there for days and rest, not consuming anything at all. Eventually it would gather the strength to make it to a water source. Then it would start eating again.

I don't know why I'm even linking this because it's obvious that nobody watches any of the videos I link, but here is a guy that got laser eye surgery, didn't take a single ointment, eye drop or medication the doctors gave him, and completely healed his eyes from the surgery in 3 days via 72 hour dry fast instead of the usual 6 week period it takes to heal up from said surgery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKSCD-Q60Go

Where did this knowledge come from? Mainly the Russian medical community. Which was then verified via anecdotal accounts of dry fasting healing on the internet. Which was then further verified via the Snake Diet group extensively testing dry fasting to heal different things. Which will hopefully be further verified by myself/others. If you guys require any other information specifically on the biochemical process of dry fasting, just ask!

popopo, intermittent fasting is trash for healing, dry fasting is best, but if you're hesitant just do extended water fasting; that is tested and proven to work.

Tony, although every treatment we try to heal our Peyronie's can technically be considered "out of desperation" due to the lack of effective, medically-proven treatments, the way you are making it out is as if I am saying, "maybe if I starve myself AND dehydrate myself it will work better than water fasting." Which is very far from the truth. Literally everything I do is based on hours and hours of research. In reality, weeks and months of research.

Let me ask you guys a question. The majority of my Peyronie's effects still remaining are hard to capture via before and after photos. If I manage to heal myself via dry fasting, will you accept my testimony, or will you reject it like every other anecdotal account I've linked? I feel like unless I manage to conduct or supply a full-blown scientific study (which would take years, and won't be initiated anytime soon in my opinion; they're still studying f~@<ing intermittent fasting with a few extended fasts and I don't have time to wait for that BS; I'm 27 and have things to do) none of you will accept anything I say regarding dry fasting. Please, at least look watch/read what I've linked in this comment and others in this post with an open mind. I am convinced that there is no way all of this is false, or all of these people are lying.

Edit: This crap aggravates me so much that I decided to dig and found the following:

Anthropometric, Hemodynamic, Metabolic, and Renal Responses during 5 Days of Food and Water Deprivation - Abstract - Forschende Komplementärmedizin / Research in Complementary Medicine 2013, Vol. 20, No. 6 - Karger Publishers (http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/357718)

Effect of dehydration on Klotho expression: http://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajprenal.00037.2011

Fluid-restricted fasting accelerates ketosis / The dehydration treatment of epilepsy: https://digitalcommons.unmc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1180&context=mdtheses&sei-redir=1&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fstart%3D10%26q%3D%2522dehydration%2522%2B%2Bketosis%2Bmtor%2B%26hl%3Den%26as_sdt%3D0%2C33#search=%22dehydration%20ketosis%20mtor%22

Differential effects of fasting and dehydration in the pathogenesis of diabetic ketoacidosis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11229425/

Cell hydration and mTOR‐dependent signalling: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1748-1716.2006.01547.x

And feel free to look through Dr. Filinov's book (posted in a previous comment I made in this thread) and CTRL+F search different keywords such as "scar" or "inflammation". I can also link more studies pertaining to water fasting, although there's no point in my opinion, because we already know it works. Hope that helped.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 18, 2019, 01:18:49 AM
Why is autophagy tripled though? By what mechanism? No-one has even attempted to explain a hypothetical process by which autophagy would be tripled with dry fasting, not with any sort of scientific basis at least. You're talking about studies when I specifically said I was not asking for that or expecting that.

Seriously, I am someone who has had results from fasting and I am asking an extremely legitimate question. Inflammation does not require water to thrive, at least not in any amount more than would be in your body if you weren't dead.

Eg.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26957750 which shows zero difference with regards to inflammatory markers between the dehydrated and non dehydrated athletes.

Or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26042828 actually shows an increase in inflammation with dehydration and elevated sodium


So when you say "If you guys require any other information specifically on the biochemical process of dry fasting, just ask!" then I have to say yes, yes I do. The same question. Because the above explanation doesn't even come close. Do you have a link to anyone else attempting to explain it?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: suicidecomingsoon on March 18, 2019, 08:28:04 AM
Quote from: TonySa on March 17, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
So much is tried out of desperation, I'd def put dry fasting in that category.
Yeah,  it is desperation. I agree
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on March 18, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
I do believe fasting has healing properties and I'm sure you've done your research. The only thing I think is very important here is that people aren't going to starve or dehydrate themselves just because it might work. I say the same about for example high dose testosterone. Anything that could potentially work is worth it, unless the risk is bigger than the reward. I'm sure most of you can do prolonged fasting without a problem and there might be some evidence, but I don't want people to start starving and dehydrating themselves just because there is a slight chance they might heal. Especially if the mindset is that the longer the fast the better it is. People might not heal and keep starving themselves in hopes of healing because of this post. I'm not talking about water fasting for a day (or two) or intermittent fasting. But 5 days without food and water seems very extreme to me unless you know exactly what you do and why.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 18, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
First of all, suicideiscoming I don't think I've ever seen you post a comment that wasn't you talking sh*t and being negative in random people's threads. You talked the most sh*t about water fasting, then I provided before and afters and you shut your mouth. It's absolutely insane to me. You lost the battle when creating your username. Again, crazy. Enjoy being miserable for the rest of your life. Such a bad mindset! I pray for your happiness.

At this point I'm done arguing, all I'm going to say is that lots of people dry fast for various reasons, and it is way easier then people imagine.. If it seems extreme to you don't do it, and if you don't know what you're doing definitely don't do it. I share my journey only to inform others on potential methods to heal, I do not have to sign on this forum and provide such throrough account of my research and what I do personally, but I do anyway and honestly it's exhausting, but when you stack others' disbelief on top it just becomes something I don't want to deal with. Im in constant defense mode and now that I've broken through the water fasting disbelief I don't have the energy for the dry fasting battle. And even with the proof I provided on water fasting there are people still saying you should only water fast 1-2 days, it blows my mind. I'm going to just do my own thing from now on because it's obvious that there's going to be no convincing certain people on the effects of dry fasting and I'm  getting so angry and insulted I'm just done.. The only thing I am going to provide a rebuttal on when I have time is the correlation between inflammation and water. If anyone has questions PM me, I promise I'll check and answer from time to time.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: diehardpatriot on March 18, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
JS please don't stop posting about fasting. You don't have to give rebuttals though, you've given enough including posting pictures of your own D online lol. The information is still extremely valuable and think about those in the future that will benefit. A few actives including myself love and read all of your posts and enjoy them. Thanks for all of it. Also, I don't understand the whole "but I don't want people to start starving and dehydrating themselves just because there is a slight chance they might heal". How many other things do people do on this forum for a slight chance of healing? Injecting their Ds with interferon, verapimil, crap even xiaflex doesn't work 100 percent of the time. All the supplements, Pentox, etc.  And I don't blame anyone for trying anything that can possibly help. It's better than doing nothing and complaining that's for sure
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on March 18, 2019, 01:18:56 PM
I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't want people to starve and dehydrate in an attempt to heal themselves. If you go 5 days without food or water you're taking a bit of a risk. Realistically speaking the chance you're dehydrated is bigger than the chance of being peyronies free at day five. I might be totally wrong, but isn't the whole point of a forum to be able to discuss those things? If this truly works I'd go a month without food and water, so of course I'm interested, I just don't want people to dive in without discussing and informing themselves first.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on March 18, 2019, 08:44:00 PM
Wtf. So somehow 'by what biochemical pathway would autophagy be tripled with dry fasting' is an unreasonable question which can blow minds and make people angry and insulted. What a load of crap.

Especially as the person asking the question, me, is one of the biggest proponents of fasting on the forum... If you're getting angry about that question, maybe you should ask yourself honestly why that is.

I'm not even saying dry fasting won't work, I'm asking what these ideas about dry fasting are based on, what biological process is theorised to be behind it. Beyond wishy washy statements and pdfs where the guy says toxins are afraid of dry fasted cells.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: diehardpatriot on March 19, 2019, 02:15:53 AM
Skunkworks. I think your question is very valid. My response was more towards popopo. And popopo your bave a point but the fasting isn't so dangerous. I've done it and others have too. Skunkworks one of the arguments is that because the body hasn't to make its own water it gets even more resourceful than water fasting does. Hence, more autophagy and more cell cleansing. Just my guess
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 21, 2019, 01:32:28 AM
So, admittedly I was on 3-4 hours sleep for multiple days straight when I last responded, which led me to be extemely cranky and a bit dramatic. The people living above my apartment got a dog that does not stop barking all night, but I've addressed the issue and feel a lot better now; my sanity has returned. Apologies for snapping, you're a good man Skunkworks, and popopo your comment on this being a great place for discussion is spot on. Please forgive me.

A summary of the "science" behind dry fasting, which includes the water/inflammation correlation, 1 day dry fast = 3 day water fast, discussion of stem cell regeneration, etc. for those who don't feel like reading Dr. Filinov's poorly translated book, with a few sources at the bottom: https://articles.spiritsciencecentral.com/health-benefits-dry-fasting/

If you read that article from start to finish (it's not that long), well that is essentially the theory I plan to put to the test to defeat Peyronie's. After reading through the actual book, I came across countless anecdotal accounts of healing via dry fasting from people of all kinds, unrelated to each other, across the world, all corroborating what should be possible with the information contained within. Again, with the lack of studies in the West on Dry Fasting in particular, it is dependent on trusting that book as well as the countless anecdotal accounts that corroborate it. The lack of studies in the West leads to the main community supporting dry fasting to be hippies and the "all-natural" types, as seen in the name of the website: "spiritsciencecentral." I can assure you, that is the only topic I am interested in reading about in any of those communities. Although they make outlandish claims across the board, I'm confident fasting in particular is the real deal.

I also had read at least one of those studies before but I've read so much in the past few months and I don't always save it all, so I'm having trouble locating some of them in particular. There are also studies I've read that don't specify in the title but do in the body that it is an absolute, or dry fast. I'll post more as I find it.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 21, 2019, 02:43:55 PM
I'm currently 24 hours into a dry fast so I'll give some details on it. The last time I ate was Monday night. Tuesday morning I weighed myself, and I was 208.2 lbs. I water fasted all day Tuesday as well as Wednesday morning (36 hours total), at which point I decided to shift over to a dry fast and weighed myself again. I was down to 205.8. After dry fasting for a full day I weighed myself again (Thursday afternoon) and I'm down to 201 lbs. I have enough fat to last me until about 170 lbs, possibly 165. The average weight loss during a week of dry fasting is about 25 lbs, so I'm in the clear to go over a week if I choose, although I'm unsure as of now how long I'll be going. I'm doing a hard dry fast which means zero water contact; I didn't brush my teeth, shower or wash my hands today. I don't smell at all with the exception of keto breath, which I expected after reading that the body contains all waste within and disposes it mainly via urine, as opposed to a water fast where it comes out of your pores and pretty much everywhere else. I slept fine last night and I feel fine right now. I'm expecting to feel sh!^^y around the 72 hour mark when my electrolytes become depleted. As of now I still don't have a dry mouth. I'll update soon!
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 22, 2019, 12:11:30 PM
js i wish you the best man pray for you,i am putting on some weight to start next week
 
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 22, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
Thanks bro! I'm currently 48 hours in, I weighed myself again today (Friday afternoon) I'm down to 197.6 lbs. I now have dry mouth but I don't feel that bad, I'm still moving around with no issues, driving, etc.. I'm expecting to feel sh!^^y tomorrow and have it fluctuate as the days go by. I would like to go as long as I can but I'm going to have to break the "hard" aspect of the dry fast and shower Monday morning so I'm fresh for the physical therapist who's working on my pelvic floor lol. If all goes as planned it will be a one time thing and I'll continue on with no water contact after that. I keep a liter of organic coconut water with me wherever I go so that I can break my fast if ever necessary. My biggest concern at this point is when/if I can drive my car while dry fasting; if I feel out of it I'm going to stay home and I might have to break it Monday if I don't feel up to driving to my doctor's appointment (as far as work goes, I own a business and have the ability to work from home, as well as having my cousin take on additional responsibilities to help me out). I'm being very careful. If that does end up happening, I'll refeed for a week or two then jump straight into another hard dry fast, but hopefully that won't be necessary. Regardless though, I will be doing multiple extended hard  dry fasts between now and the beginning of June. I'll update tomorrow!

Edit: Also just wanted to let everyone know that I'm not doing this strictly for Peyronies. I have a torn meniscus in each knee and 4 herniated discs in my lower back that I hope to clear up, as well as loose skin that I hope to tighten up, and some issues with post acute withdrawal syndrome from benzodiazepines. I'll keep everyone up to date on those issues as well over the course of the next two months. I used to have cubital tunnel syndrome in both elbows and rotator cuff tendinosis in both shoulders but I barely notice those issues ever since I did all that water fasting (Benzo PAWS saw great improvement as well) so I consider them healed. There is absolutely no way that can be placebo. A lot of injuries, I know, but that's what I get for recklessly abusing my body and mind throughout my 20s via drugs and mixed martial arts (which I hope to return to this summer, albeit more carefully).

Edit 2: I've come up with a backup plan to avert breaking my dry fast in case I don't feel good enough to drive to my doctors appointment Monday. Plan A will be to run a bath and add magnesium and potassium salts, which should make me feel more than good enough to take care of what I need to take care of. If that doesn't work then I will be forced to break the fast, unless I can find someone to drive me, which is unlikely. To be honest though, I'll probably be good to go, just informing everyone as much as possible on the complications dry fasting can add to daily life and ways to avoid them.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 23, 2019, 05:33:00 PM
Dry fast update 72 hours/ day 3: Slept like a baby last night, surprisingly I feel fine. Down to 195 lbs. I'll update this comment daily from now on so I'm not spamming this thread with comments.

Update Day 4 (96 hours): I feel a bit more out of it today, but nothing that prevents me from driving. Slept good last night. Weight down to 192 lbs. Also found this: https://drmindypelz.com/the-benefits-of-dry-fasting/ which includes a few studies on dry fasting.

Update day 5: I felt about the same as yesterday today, but broke the fast because of a pelvic floor physical therapy appointment I had; I wasn't sure if being dehydrated would affect it and I've heard you should feed for two weeks before doing intense muscle activity so you don't pull a muscle. Didn't want her fishing around for trigger points and injuring me. Turns out the appointment got cancelled an hour before I was supposed to go because I need an updated prescription from my urologist to see her again, which I'm in the process of getting. I am extremely f*cking pissed off right now because I easily could have gone another few days and now I need to refeed For a week or two before I jump into another one. Had I known I wouldn't be going today I would have gone 7-14 days, depending on how I felt. So, now as I said I'm going to refeed a week or two then jump into another one. Final weight before breaking fast was 190.2, which is over 15 pounds lost in 5 days, not including the 3 pounds I lost in the 36 hour water fast I did to start the dry fast. Ugh, I'm so mad but whatever, it is what it is. I'll let you guys know when I start another one. But this just goes to show how we've been lied to with that "3 days no water and you die" BS. I'd love to know who came up with that. I've seen such crazy benefits from water fasting and am expecting such crazy benefits from dry fasting that I'm beginning to think it was a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry to keep us on meds and not allow us to know you can basically fix 90% of ailments via fasting, but who knows lol. Also, I'm going to wait to assess the benefits of dry fasting until I've done a few to avoid any possible placebo effect, the same way I did it when I water fasted. After this experience I feel like if you know wtf you're doing and do everything properly, the dry fast should give you no problems, with the exception of the lack of showers if you decide to do it "hard" instead of "soft", which was the most aggravating part, and willpower. It is pretty damn tough to resist drinking something and breaking it especially if you're a bit out of it, but I have such insane willpower that I actually am more afraid that I'll push myself past my limits, although I doubt that will ever happen.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Christopher1 on March 25, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
Here are some things you can do on your own your pelvic floor.

Jeanie Rub massager between the ischial tuberosities at maximum speed. Also over the inguinal lymph nodes. Helps with penile pain because those nodes drain your penis. Just look at an anatomy atlas or Google search for where those large lymph nodes are located.

You can have someone do a pelvic diaphragm release (YouTube) or just sit on two tennis balls medial to your ischial tuberosities - until those muscles "release."

This is all basic osteopathic medicine. I recommend a good osteopath over a good PT any day. Don't waste your time with PT. Good luck.

And keep up the dry fasting. Autophagy is the only thing that can truly nibble away at scar tissue - unless you are willing to get Xiaflex shots (yikes).
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Christopher1 on March 25, 2019, 06:27:13 PM
I personally am now avoiding heat as well.

Per the "fascial distortion model" - heat "bakes" the fascia together. I am not satisfied with this explanation, and will try to find a better mechanism of action for what truly happens with fascia when exposed to heat. Yes - heat brings in circulation, but it also prevents fascial planes from sliding comfortably over each other (allegedly). Nerves that sense pain are located in these fascial planes. Not good. I think ice is better.

Maybe tomorrow I will change my mind. But for now I am going for ice baths more than hot hands.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on March 25, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
Thanks Chris, I'm going to look into all of that pelvic floor stuff you just described! Regarding heat, it basically just makes my hard flaccid worse and feels uncomfortable. It's like my body is telling me to stop, and I've been trying to "listen to my body,"so that's what I've done. And I'm also considering ice baths as well. The only reason I haven't so far is due to the amount of calories burned in the process; I'm trying to keep all the fat I can on my body since it's essentially just fuel for autophagy. I'm pretty damn excited to be dry fasting because as you said, it's pretty much the only thing that can nibble away at scar tissue and replace it with stem cells, which in conjunction with VED should, in my opinion, bring my penis closer to pre-peyronies than any other treatment.

Also forgot to add how I refed: I broke the fast with coconut water, waited a bit then made a drink for kidney health: apple cider vinegar mixed with baking soda, diluted with spring water and then followed up with lemon juice (through a straw to protect my teeth). A few hours later I drank some kombucha for gut health, along with bone broth and cold pressed fruit/vegetable juice. A little while later moved onto solid fruit, and now I am finally eating an organic Waldorf chicken salad. Might eat a pizza bagel later tonight as well lol. I just want to be very careful.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Whyisthishappening on March 26, 2019, 07:08:59 AM
hi js congratulations great mental power ,how many hours in total of dry fast and any Peyronies Disease related benefits?Keep eating good please man no junk i have noticed refeeding is equally importatant.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JohnnyDoe on March 27, 2019, 02:40:28 AM
Respect for going through with it! I wonder if I could go to sleep feeling out of it, knowing I have not been drinking water for days. Im also wondering about the benefits or other effects you see on your body and Peyronies. Although I assume there might be long-term effects as things take time and the whole refeeding part might play a role too.

I know (by following mma haha...) that short term weight loss and dehydration is risky for your organs. But of course this is a different activity than weight cutting in fight sports.

I hope you will get only good things out of it of course! Looking forward to read more.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on September 23, 2019, 02:09:08 AM
I've been away for a while, but an update. I've been keeping up with extended dry fasts of 3+ days and my inflammation is down about 80% of where it was last time I posted. Huge improvements in hard flaccid as well. I feel I've essentially proved all of my theories correct over the past few months. Dry fasting is basically just a sped up version of water fasting; it is much harder but provides much better results. I haven't had any ill effects either, and I've retained all of my muscle. Any questions, feel free to ask. Glad to be back!

Also wanted to mention that my penis was so inflamed last time I posted that it was difficult to edge for too long. I can now edge as I please. I can literally press the formerly tender spots with my finger and they don't hurt too much. I'm still inflammatory, but as I said, it is greatly reduced. I've returned to having sex, but I'm trying to keep it at a once a month or twice a month limit. Speaking of which, in order to help my hard flaccid, I've probably only ejaculated about 5-6 times since March. Hard to do, but worth the results. This wretched hard flaccid is so hard to beat... I'm going for an 11 day dry fast in October, so we'll see how that goes. Last time I did a 9 day the head of my penis partially refilled and regained sensitivity, and it was hanging loose while standing, but edging, smoking weed, and a few orgasms set me back. I need a long fast + abstinence to decimate this inflammation in my pelvis. I'll also note that I've been seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist bi-weekly as well as using a therawand every other day. I'm waging full war on hard flaccid and I will not stop until I beat it. I truly feel like extended fasting is the key; it's the only thing that has given me big, noticeable results. I'll also mention that I used to not be able to sit without pain, and I now sit relatively pain free, for as long as I wish. There's just a few stubborn spots internally that need release. When I was on that 9 day dry fast I felt it spasm, but in a good way if that makes sense. It would sporadically give me a satisfying, releasing spasm internally. Extended dry fast is the only thing that has ever provided that for me.

I also got permission to share my pelvic floor physical therapist with anyone who wants to use her: Dr. Stephanie Barken, who just got married and changed her name to Dr. Stephanie Goldstein. She is located in Bay Shore, NY. She is amazing. I also use Dr. Muldwin as my urologist, who specializes in pelvic floor dysfunction, and is colleagues with Amy Stein (who wrote a popular book on the subject). I have a good team behind me, and good tools (therawand, fasting). I'm going to beat this stupid hard flaccid BS, mark my words. And as I said before, I don't really consider Peyronie's an issue anymore since the fasting gives me such ridiculous control over the issue.

Shoutout to NeoV who just posted a video on fasting to his YouTube channel. I've been a huge fan of his since day one. I got the alert on my phone that he had posted the video, and that is what inspired me to come back and post. I'll be sticking around for the foreseeable future.

Also worth noting that I had pretty severe protracted benzodiazepine withdrawal symptoms that I've nearly wiped out with dry fasting. It is considered brain damage, and I have mostly healed it. I feel better after every fast. Most people suffer with the condition for years.

Overall, I'm back to meeting women and having sex, which is huge for me. It stagnates my hard flaccid recovery, but I need to live my life. I'm shooting for an 11 day dry fast in October so I'll keep everyone updated on that.

Edit: Also wanted to mention that the 4 herniated discs in my lower back no longer affect me AT ALL since dry fasting. It's f*cking amazing. My knees, shoulders and elbows have seen ridiculous improvement as well. And wanted to mention that during extended fasts you should be ABSTAINING and not using your penis, and this includes for the first 2-3 days afterwards.

Edit 2: Refeeding is a science and needs to be done properly. Refeeding syndrome can be deadly, specifically after a dry fast. I will note that I eat a crap american diet during my refeeds, for the most part. In terms of acidic environment created in the body during a dry fast, the last thing I put in my body before beginning a long dry fast is 1 tsp baking soda in water; when breaking it, I break with the same. You need to alkalize the body. The one time I didn't do this (after a 6 day hard dry fast) I had kidney pain. Dry fasting is very aggressive, you don't want to give yourself kidney stones. When you're water fasting and drinking snake juice I will literally refeed how I want. When breaking after a dry fast, after the baking soda/water, (which I drink very slowly over an hour or two), I progress to coconut water which is loaded with potassium. Then I move to fruit as my first solid food, then I move to lean protein, then lastly, carbs. Lastly, in my opinion, a 10-18 day hard dry fast might completely rid me of hard flaccid, and will definitely do the best healing to scar tissue. Duration of fast is key, specifically every day past day 3 is money in the bank. Which is why I'm shooting for 11 day soft dry as a test (hard dry is too difficult to do and lead a normal life; I need to shower and brush my teeth lol). You have to have the fat on your body in order to do it, which I do. As you've all seen, I have no problem pushing the limits and being the guinea pig/pioneering this sh*t, so not to worry, I will have reports to give next month.

A quick story as well: I once broke an 8 day soft dry fast way too quickly, and got to a point where everything I put in my body was coming straight back out as diarrhea. Diarrhea will quickly deplete you of electrolytes. And the more I tried to replenish, the faster it would come out. I ended up having to just settle feeling like crap and take baby sips over the course of 6-8 hours just to get what I could in my body. I've also had a situation where I drank too much coconut water and was experiencing mild hyperkalemia. The moral is, don't be dumb. If you do a dry fast, refeed properly. If water fasting with snake juice, it's not as important, as the body is used to electrolytes and this makes it way harder to go into refeeding syndrome.

Sorry for the unorganized post... I have a lot of info to get out and I'm editing it all in as I remember it. It's a bit disorganized, I know.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Christopher1 on September 27, 2019, 05:48:03 PM
Excellent!

Make sure to also monitor your magnesium levels. Everyone always worries about potassium. Magnesium is also crucially important.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on September 29, 2019, 10:07:18 PM
Yes, I try to cover that with the assortment of fruit I eat after breaking dry fast. Specifically raspberries.

I caught a pretty bad sore throat that I felt the beginnings of on Saturday morning, which progressed to a full blown sore throat this morning. I haven't ate or drink since last night (Saturday night) and plan on dry fasting until Tuesday night to burn it out. I'm meeting with a girl I know Wednesday night so I'm hoping to be better by then. My brother, who I caught it from, had his sore throat last a full weak. I can also feel it in my sinuses.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on October 01, 2019, 04:58:39 AM
Guys, there's lots of research on the benefits of fasting but one must stay hydrated.  No scientific support to speak of for dry fasting EXCEPT that it can be dangerous to ones health.  Please be careful.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on October 05, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
Incorrect, you pull all the fluid you need from fat  while dry fasting. And although there is a lack of scientific articles on dry fasting, there is no exception to this regarding it being dangerous to health. I've dry fasted 9 days straight, not only with no I'll effect, but it's the only time I've ever regained sensitivity in my glans. That being said, I appreciate your concern and will mention that I am ALWAYS careful and always put safety first.

Keto is retarded (beneficial, but extremely slow, and the lack of protein is horrible), intermittent fasting takes forever to see results, water fasting gets them slowly, and dry fasting gets them fast. Those are the facts, as many including myself have experienced. Do you think I'm just making stuff up? Did my glans spontaneously begin refilling with blood and regain sensitivity by chance after a 9 day dry fast? It must be done correctly, and to be honest the only reason I don't outright suggest dry fasting to everyone is because I don't trust people to do it correctly. But when done properly dry fasting gives amazing results.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on October 05, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
JS, there's tons of research on fasting and almost all of it aligns that there can be beneficial effects IF one at least drinks water.  That said, if it works for you great but as you said it can be dangerous for others.  Maybe you have some fluids while "dry fasting" when you say you do it correctly? 
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on October 06, 2019, 07:35:15 AM
Quote from: JS1991 on October 05, 2019, 05:28:32 PMThose are the facts, as many including myself have experienced.

You should not be putting forward anecdotal experiences as fact. When you say many, do you mean many Peyronie's sufferers? Where would you meet many Peyronie's sufferers except here?

What is many, ballpark figure?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on October 07, 2019, 03:15:41 AM
Fasting, overall, is an under researched field. 20 years ago there was no research on intermittent fasting. Does that mean it did not work? No, it worked then as it does now, but since we have the studies, people are currently getting more and more into it. Extended water fasts are slowly being subjected to more and more research. There are even a few current studies! In 5-10 years, I bet there are a lot more studies showing that it is even more beneficial than IF. And the same goes for dry fasting. There are no studies on it, but those of us who have pieced together anecdotal accounts, tried to theorize as best we could on the potential efficacy, pulled what info we could from the Russian doctors, we believed it could be what people say it is: a more effective form of extended water fasting. Which itself is a more effective form of intermittent fasting. With that hypothesis, we tested it ourselves, pioneering a treatment, a new frontier if you will. And we have seen results.

Am I to disregard these anecdotal experiences entirely? I feel that is a personal choice, to be made by the individual. You two are obviously more cautious than I, and that is okay! When I say many, do I mean many Peyronie's sufferers? No, because I'm the only one who tried it to the extent of repeated extended fasts. And I've come back and given my results. I promise you, I would not subject myself to it if it did not work. So now, sitting here with the results I am so happy about, to the point where I regard it as a satisfactory primary treatment (and I'm no longer seeking an alternative), should I keep my mouth shut about it? No, I will spread the word, if only in this one small thread. And I ALWAYS preach safety first, something you both as moderators should respect (and I feel you do, and I want to thank you for that). I also go out of my way to provide the safest manner in which to conduct the fast.

Tony said "Maybe I had some fluids when "dry fasting" when I say I did it correctly?" No, I went 9 days without any fluid, or any food. Another time I went 7, that time with zero water contact including showers. I was totally fine and I regained sensitivity in my glans, something I am still ecstatic about, and something I'm very proud to have achieved; a result of my willingness to plunge into an under researched field and take a chance. Skunkworks said "What is 'many,' a ballpark figure?" With the caveat that I'm the only Peyronie's sufferer to have conducted the extended dry fasting, and therefore including sufferers of assorted ailments, the answer is dozens. And yes this is anecdotal, but it was anecdotal to myself as well until I undertook the journey and experienced the results firsthand. There is a huge stigma around dry fasting, and rightly so, we are taught the body cannot go three days without water. In reality, we're like camels, due to our fat being 80% water. That being said, as I always mention, if done incorrectly there can be issues. But it follows almost the same rules as an extended water fast.

I'll repeat what I said in the beginning: 20 years ago (probably sooner than that) there was no research on IF. If I would have told you I was getting results from it you would have called me crazy. Does that mean it didn't work? No, it worked then as it does now. And I hypothesized, then proved via experimentation that dry fasting also works. I hope you can respect that. And I understand where you're both coming from as moderators and I have so much respect for the both of you, you have Peyronie's sufferer's well being as your number one priority, as it should be. Bravo to the both of you, and keep up the good work gentlemen. And thank you for allowing me to share my experiences. For those willing to gauge the risk (minimal if done right) and go through with dry fasting, I hope my experiences can be of some help. But again, it must be done right. If one feels they aren't capable of following it properly, I would suggest extended water fasting.

And that's about it. I'm going to continue leaving small anecdotes of my dry fasting experiences in this thread for sufferers to keep track of, and follow if they choose. And in the meantime, I'm going to continue my interactions in the water fasting thread, which I'm happy to see several people have taken the plunge into, and benefited from.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on October 07, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
Thanks JS, I think you're last post puts it into perspective...some are trying a new controversial approach and will keep us posted.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on October 08, 2019, 12:41:55 AM
Thanks for being so understanding Tony. And thanks for all you do on the forum, you're such a big help to so many broken men. I remember you being one of the first people to respond and give me advice when I first came on the forum. You should be proud of the level headed assistance you provide fellow members.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on October 08, 2019, 07:50:03 AM
Well said JS1991. I think your long post above paints a much clearer picture than previously. Up to everyone else to make their own decisions about how to approach fasting.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: willy31 on October 09, 2019, 11:33:27 PM
Hi,

Do you think fasting can be effective for me? I have a terrible diffuse fibrosis (99% of my penis is affected). I have do a thread: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,12402.0.html

Fasting reduce just inflammation or fibrosis also?

Thank you.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on October 12, 2019, 12:28:13 AM
Yes, I also have diffused scar tissue. Fasting will lower inflammation and slowly chip away at the scarring; it's the only thing that has been effective for me. Start with water fasting if you've never fasted before, there's a thread on it on this forum.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Christopher1 on October 14, 2019, 07:19:36 PM
I second the benefits of fasting - water or dry. I do believe dry to be better. I once did dry fasting with saunas - but could not get past 2 days.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 03, 2019, 03:18:12 AM
Update:

Some very good news. I haven't been able to do any long dry fasts so I've taken to intermittent dry fasting. Specifically, I'm doing OMAD. So I'll eat all my food and drink all my fluids for the day in no longer than an hour window. I can usually do it in about half an hour. For example I'll eat a large meal when I wake up, and drink 1-2 liters of fluids with it. Then I'll dry fast until the same time the next day. Of course, I'm making sure I get all the nutrition I need in that one big meal. Mostly meat and fruit.

The result has been a big drop in inflammation. If I was 80% healed from inflammation before doing dry OMAD, I'm now at 90%. Not really seeing much improvement in hard flaccid or scar tissue with this method, but it's very effective for inflammation. I highly recommend anyone with stubborn inflamed penile tissue to try this for one month. It is easy and produces great results.

As for my hard flaccid, as I've said in the past, the only thing that helped in a big/noticeable way was a long dry fast. I regained sensitivity in my glans after my longest fast. I'm going to try another long one soon, hopefully starting on the 11th of November.

Another effective technique for hard flaccid is using the therawand while FULLY ERECT. Seems to be way more effective this way. I've also permanently rid myself of the tight muscles preventing me from sitting without pain by massaging my ishiocavernosus (sic?) muscles. The ones that run down your penis towards the root and curl out into a Y shape. Again, I rubbed this muscle externally while fully erect and I can now sit without pain. Also permanently rid myself of some hard flaccid muscle pain (all of this I've had for about 2 years) by pressing into my butt cheeks externally, then inwards toward the anal muscles. Again, while erect. Basically the same muscles you hit while using the therawand internally, but you hit them from the outside. Just some techniques that I hope can help some hard flaccid sufferers.

I'll report back when I do another long fast but at this rate I should be completely free of inflammation by 2020 (probably sooner) and have most of my scar tissue remodeled to boot. All I need to do besides that is get rid of hard flaccid, then begin using VED and I should be close to what I was pre-peyronies. Super optimistic about my future. Hope anyone who reads this can take some tips from it. Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on November 03, 2019, 07:43:03 PM
What does it mean inflammation is improved?  How does one know this, visually?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 04, 2019, 02:06:52 AM
Inflammation = pain. It can not be known visually. It must be experienced. Direct reduction in pain (to the point where it's almost completely gone) after fasting.

How do I know I wasn't naturally going into chronic phase? Because my entire penis was inflamed and pain levels would not budge no matter what I tried, until I fasted. Fasting gave me immediate, noticeable results in terms of reduction of pain. Any time I would take a break I would maintain. Even if I took a break from fasting for a few months (which I did), the pain would not budge. Then as soon as I started fasting again I would get permanent reduction. I'd say my pain (inflammation) was about 70-80% gone (compared to my initial pre-fasting levels) before I started intermittent dry fasting a month ago. It's now down to 90-95% pain reduction. I want to say it's completely pain-free but that would be a lie, there is a very slight pain, barely noticeable, in former areas of inflammation. At this rate, that will be gone very soon.

Now that my pain is completely under control, I must rid myself of hard flaccid. That is the most difficult thing for me, and the only thing that has given me major, permanent improvement in that regard is extended dry fasting. I've gotten slow results over time stretching my pelvic floor and using the therawand as well. Once that is done with, I will use VED to hit my hourglassing. I was actually in so much pain that I wanted to hold off using VED until I reduced pain levels. I have now achieved that and feel comfortable using VED, although I'd like to get rid of hard flaccid first. Overall, I am extremely satisfied with fasting as a treatment.

To summarize what dry fasting is good for (in my own experience):

Great for ridding oneself of inflammation/pain, even if one does OMAD.

Effective at improving hard flaccid symptoms permanently, but only if one does an extended fast while abstaining.

Very slowly reduces scar tissue via a LOT of fasting. I've done multiple 4-9 day fasts and a ton of OMAD. Mine is about 40% reduction compared to where it was. It takes a long time to chip away at it. But it's the only treatment I know of that can achieve this.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 04, 2019, 03:09:23 AM
Are you sure the hard flacid isn't scar tissue making the penis feel hardened?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on November 04, 2019, 06:06:32 AM
If that was the case, erections would be impossible.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 04, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: skunkworks on November 04, 2019, 06:06:32 AM
If that was the case, erections would be impossible.
I don't think would be impossible because not 100% of the tissue would have scar.  My corporas are hard to the touch and I would assume this is due to scar tissue present.  I also have some pits/indentation near the base of the underside.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on November 04, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
QuoteMy corporas are hard to the touch
This is normal. Around the corporas you have naturally hard tissue. In the most flaccid state and in the most erect state this can be felt as one hard mass. What makes them flexible(to a point) is a mesh like structure and elastin(which is missing in scar tissue and plaques)
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 06, 2019, 02:45:29 AM
When my pelvic floor muscles are relaxed (when I pee for example) my penis is completely soft to the touch. When the muscles are tight it goes back to hard flaccid. The level of "hardness" of the tissue fluctuates throughout the day accordingly. When I lay down, for example (a natural loosening of the muscles) it is almost always soft. When I stand up (muscles tighten a bit), it gets more of the classic hard flaccid. Before I started any treatment (fasting, trigger point release, abstinence) it was very hard to the touch. Even now, if I get into an intensely stressful situation, like getting pulled over with weed (happened recently), my flaccid penis retracts inwards and gets extremely hard to the touch. This is the nature of hard flaccid. It really sucks, and it is worse than Peyronie's, in my opinion (at least the symptoms are). The good part about it is that once the muscles are fully released I'll be completely back to normal. It's just extremely hard to get them to release.

A good resource to better understand the condition:

https://www.urologynews.uk.com/features/synopsis/post/hard-flaccid-syndrome

And although this is a reddit post it is extremely on point/informative. It's basically a collection of everything I've ever read on the internet regarding the subject:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hard_Flaccid/comments/d9qrpc/a_start_to_a_hard_flaccid_free_life/
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on November 06, 2019, 05:17:15 AM
Nothing wrong with reddit for some topics. Politics/religion etc it is a total dumpster fire, but it has gold content for product reviews and rare health conditions.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 07, 2019, 03:59:37 AM
Quote from: JS1991 on November 06, 2019, 02:45:29 AM
When my pelvic floor muscles are relaxed (when I pee for example) my penis is completely soft to the touch. When the muscles are tight it goes back to hard flaccid. The level of "hardness" of the tissue fluctuates throughout the day accordingly. When I lay down, for example (a natural loosening of the muscles) it is almost always soft. When I stand up (muscles tighten a bit), it gets more of the classic hard flaccid. Before I started any treatment (fasting, trigger point release, abstinence) it was very hard to the touch. Even now, if I get into an intensely stressful situation, like getting pulled over with weed (happened recently), my flaccid penis retracts inwards and gets extremely hard to the touch. This is the nature of hard flaccid. It really sucks, and it is worse than Peyronie's, in my opinion (at least the symptoms are). The good part about it is that once the muscles are fully released I'll be completely back to normal. It's just extremely hard to get them to release.

A good resource to better understand the condition:

https://www.urologynews.uk.com/features/synopsis/post/hard-flaccid-syndrome

And although this is a reddit post it is extremely on point/informative. It's basically a collection of everything I've ever read on the internet regarding the subject:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hard_Flaccid/comments/d9qrpc/a_start_to_a_hard_flaccid_free_life/
Did fasting help to rid you of that hardness and regain that soft flexible texture (elastin)?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 08, 2019, 05:38:56 PM
AlterEgo, yes. Long fasts (while simultaneously abstaining during and for a few days after the fast) are the only thing that has provided a big result for me. Literally loosened my muscles up. I have also seen improvement from deep breathing while doing stretches (happy baby yoga pose) + therawand + seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist. It permanently gave me back a portion of the sensation I lost in the head of my penis. My glans also now partially refills with blood. The catch is, it's hard/takes a lot of willpower to do a long dry fast. If you'd like to try, I'd suggest starting with a long water fast first. Then move onto dry fasting once you've grown comfortable with water fasting. Water fasting should also provide some results. But you must completely abstain for the duration of the fast and a few days afterwards.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 08, 2019, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: JS1991 on November 08, 2019, 05:38:56 PM
AlterEgo, yes. Long fasts (while simultaneously abstaining during and for a few days after the fast) are the only thing that has provided a big result for me. Literally loosened my muscles up. I have also seen improvement from deep breathing while doing stretches (happy baby yoga pose) + therawand + seeing a pelvic floor physical therapist. It permanently gave me back a portion of the sensation I lost in the head of my penis. My glans also now partially refills with blood. The catch is, it's hard/takes a lot of willpower to do a long dry fast. If you'd like to try, I'd suggest starting with a long water fast first. Then move onto dry fasting once you've grown comfortable with water fasting. Water fasting should also provide some results. But you must completely abstain for the duration of the fast and a few days afterwards.

Extended dry fasting seems dangerous there are people who say people have died from goign without water for 2 or 3 days.  When you say abstain do you mean abstain from sexual activity or eating/drinking water?  I'm glad you have received positive results from fasting.  I am hoping I can get more blood into shaft so it is not so flat but more cylinder in shape and also get my elastin back because the corporas are way to hard to the touch to be normal both in flaccid and erect position and I do believe this is due more to scarring than to pelvic floor tightness
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 09, 2019, 05:31:05 AM
The "die after 2 or 3 days" thing is BS I've gone 9 and could have gone longer. As long as you have fat on your body to serve as fuel (provides calories, water and nutrition your body naturally stores) and you're resting/ not physically exerting yourself you're good. The only way I can see the 3 day and die without water thing being true is if you're lost in a desert or some extreme survival situation where you're physically exerting yourself, sweating and rapidly losing electrolytes. Even then you'll probably survive much longer. But do what you feel is right for you.

By abstaining I mean from sexual activity. An easy way to know if you have hard flaccid vs scar tissue is to take notice of the state of your flaccid penis when you urinate. Does it feel softer to the touch? If so it is hard flaccid. If not, may be scar tissue.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 09, 2019, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: JS1991 on November 09, 2019, 05:31:05 AM
The "die after 2 or 3 days" thing is BS I've gone 9 and could have gone longer. As long as you have fat on your body to serve as fuel (provides calories, water and nutrition your body naturally stores) and you're resting/ not physically exerting yourself you're good. The only way I can see the 3 day and die without water thing being true is if you're lost in a desert or some extreme survival situation where you're physically exerting yourself, sweating and rapidly losing electrolytes. Even then you'll probably survive much longer. But do what you feel is right for you.

By abstaining I mean from sexual activity. An easy way to know if you have hard flaccid vs scar tissue is to take notice of the state of your flaccid penis when you urinate. Does it feel softer to the touch? If so it is hard flaccid. If not, may be scar tissue.

I've discovered the major issue I am facing.  A few years ago I was having sex and a chunk of the layer underneath the skin (maybe fat or connective tissue or fascia) peeled off.  I could see this underneath the skin and it was stinging.  I didn't abstain form sexual activity afterwards so I am assuming that area kept getting rubbed and did not heal. I am not sure which part of that chunk of the stuff underneath the skin is dead or alive tissue.  But to get healed I need to get healthy tissue on the area that rubbed off.   I am hoping fasting and shockwave will help me
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on November 10, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Shockwave has not been helpful for most, maybe a few for ED only.
Has a urologist examined you?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 11, 2019, 05:29:48 AM
Quote from: TonySa on November 10, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Shockwave has not been helpful for most, maybe a few for Erectile Dysfunction only.
Has a urologist examined you?
Hi Tony thanks for the reply.  Yes, I have seen a Urologist and they totally miss the mark.  I've been suffering with this greatly.  This is from a post on this website regarding shockwave results from a member I believe it's in the shockwave topic threads.  Shockwave has been used for tissue regeneration so I am going ot give it a try.  The only other 2 remedies I can think of are fasting and a tissue graft.  I still have pain in the area so hopefully that means there is still a chance it can heal.  It creates instability in my penis making it wiggly like a loose tooth.  I wish I could get tissue in the area to fill the gap so things could stabilize.  I am unsure if having an erection rips the tissue every time so I am going to try abstaining form sexual activity for a while.   What are your thoughts? 

"Haven't checked in on these forums in a while but I just wanted to let you guys know about the shockwave treatment. I wanted to be in Dr Goldsteins (SDSM's) clinical trial but I could not comply with the medications. Instead I manned up and went into TJ. I have gotten 9 shockwave treatments so far. They use LSWT and ESWT (linear and focalized) and it has been gradually improving my peyronies. I had mild peyroneis mostly at the base. I have venous leakage, corporal fibrosis, and really just fibrosis everywhere, tunica and cavernosa.

This treatment is working better than everything else even though it's designed for Erectile Dysfunction and not really peyronies, but I am making those gains! My penis is getting way thicker again as the fibrosis is being chizzled away. The FDA f'~c<+d me with Propecia and now Mexico is picking up the pieces of my penis and putting them back together. Viva la Revelucion mis amigos!

Look up Dr Allejandro Lira Urologist - Pacific Sexual Health - Hospital Angeles. Just thought I owed it to you guys to spread this word. I wish you all the best. I never thought a few clicks/taps to my penis could get my old penis back. It's easy to forget how life used to be, it's funny."

Here you can see some results of using shockwave #5 says wound healing https://www.trtllc.com/shockwave-summary.html
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on November 11, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
Helpful for ED OR Peyronies?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on November 14, 2019, 05:35:57 AM
Quote from: TonySa on November 11, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
Helpful for Erectile Dysfunction OR Peyronies? Tissue damage in shaft and spongiosum
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: zidious on November 19, 2019, 02:41:03 PM
Why choose between dry and waterfast completely? Cant you combine both? Start with a 2 or 3 day dryfast, since that seems to be what people do anyway, and then turn it into a waterfast that you can do for a longer period? You'll get a few days of more efficient fasting (if this is true) and you minimize the risks since you start drinking water. Just a thought that popped into my head now after googling a lot about fasting.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on November 23, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
That would be the most effective way to fast while still keeping it easy. After the 72 hour mark while dry fasting you run low on electrolytes and start feeling crappy . The point of continuing on is because the autophagy after that point is insane, but if you switch to water fasting it makes it way easier. Just slower. Basically just a question of how much discomfort are you willing to endure for enhanced results.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: zidious on November 29, 2019, 06:23:33 AM
Quote from: JS1991 on November 23, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
That would be the most effective way to fast while still keeping it easy. After the 72 hour mark while dry fasting you run low on electrolytes and start feeling crappy . The point of continuing on is because the autophagy after that point is insane, but if you switch to water fasting it makes it way easier. Just slower. Basically just a question of how much discomfort are you willing to endure for enhanced results.

Yeah but its also the matter of safety. You need water. The body can handle weeks without food but not water. And I imagine it takes less than 72 hours without food and water before you start feeling crappy. Better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: anchorout on December 01, 2019, 06:20:11 PM
Robert Lockhart, a well-known raw foodist and proponent of dry fasting, recently died at the age of 75, his body shutting down despite his being in seemingly excellent health. Here is a video made by an associate of the man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNv64a44f08&t=680s

Just because you can survive more than a few days without water, it does not mean you aren't doing long-term damage to your organs. Do not dry fast, ever.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on December 01, 2019, 10:42:46 PM
Please, avoid dry fasting!
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on December 16, 2019, 07:02:06 AM
I am on day 2 of a dry fast, so far no complications, or major discomforts.  I have not been moving much pretty much just laying down watching tv and going online, also I am not cured yet.  I will do 1 more day of a dry fast and then switch to water only fast
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: NeoV on December 16, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
Quote from: anchorout on December 01, 2019, 06:20:11 PM
Robert Lockhart, a well-known raw foodist and proponent of dry fasting, recently died at the age of 75, his body shutting down despite his being in seemingly excellent health. Here is a video made by an associate of the man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNv64a44f08&t=680s

Just because you can survive more than a few days without water, it does not mean you aren't doing long-term damage to your organs. Do not dry fast, ever.

He was a fruitarian, what did you expect?
Fruit is not healthy, it is a seasonal thing that humans rarely had access to throughout evolution. It causes insulin resistance and will destroy your organs over time. Steve Jobs's cancer is widely thought to be caused by his fruitarian diet which lead to pancreatic cancer, Ashton Kutcher was hospitalized when he tried to eat that way for the film due to pancreas problems. Modern humans are basically living in an eternal summer, spiking insulin every single day as if winter is coming. They do this non stop, eating "healthy" acai berries, bananas, and smoothies, but they are killing themselves.

This year a child died from being on a vegan diet, eating nothing but raw fruit and vegetables.
We are living in a post-truth world, and it really takes a lot of digging to figure things out. If I heard this even two years ago I would have never believed it.

Now is dry fasting safe? I personally would make sure you have water and never do anything too extreme. Also make sure you have enough salt.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: samsung on December 16, 2019, 10:03:11 AM
I stated this on another thread and I am not trying to be negative or rain on anyone's parade, but here goes:

Where is the evidence that eating anything or fasting or taking any supplements or doing anything like that will restore length, girth or correct curvature? People make extreme life choices like a keto diet based on desperately wanting any benefit. But where is it? My curve is the same whether I eat a carnivore diet or a Hostess cupcake diet. Exactly and precisely the same. In fact I think I felt better eating junk food.

I think eating healthy is great. But if it doesn't correct the curve then discussion of it belongs in a healthy eating forum.

Maybe unhealthy eating causes peyronie's in the first place. Fine. But once damage is done, it is done in my opinion. You can't eat your way to a healthy dick unless you have a very minor sexual injury and in that case it will probably heal by itself anyway. Not eating an apple is not going to make a difference. Show me where a peice of meat dissolved a calcified plaque.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on December 16, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
For great keto and fasting protocols check out Keto Kamp on you tube-tons of free videos.  Both decrease inflammation (aids in peyronies recovery when done in conjunction w other modalities), weight loss, health and longevity.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on December 16, 2019, 08:15:48 PM
Quote from: TonySa on December 16, 2019, 03:56:41 PM
For great keto and fasting protocols check out Keto Kamp on you tube-tons of free videos.  Both decrease inflammation (aids in peyronies recovery when done in conjunction w other modalities), weight loss, health and longevity.

So you are voiding everything JS1991 is saying?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on December 17, 2019, 09:51:35 AM
I don't know about that except I would never recommend dry fasting and I believe diet can supplement other peyronies treatment rather than be the sole treatment.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Godisreal on December 17, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
What a sick world we would've lived in if eating fruits and vegetables gives you cancer lool
Steve Jobs died because his diet contained of fruits? Hahahahah, even tho his type of cancer originates from the insulin-secreting beta cells, the actual known causes of pancreatic cancer are excessive tobacco smoking and obesity. He neither smokes or was an obesity-sufferer. I don't doubt that eating too much fruit and sweetness-filled berries will f*ck you up in the long run. But so does EVERYTHING else you can put in your mouth & in your system. Too much of anything will most likely f*ck up your body in one way or another.
I have to agree with Samsung in that cleaning up your diet after peyronie's has struck you is mostly a waste of effort.
Again, there is an actual difference between patients with genetic-peyronies and straight trauma-induced Peyronie's. The problem lies to be the same, a metabolic issue at its core - but there's a big difference between Peyronie's and Peyronie's. That's just how it is.
I believe that those who have Peyronie's in their genes and those who have metabolic issues and possibly diabetes (not necessarily) are much more in need of a clean and low insulin-diet, even after Peyronies struck them. I'm not promoting an unhealthy diet, but a clean one is not as profitable for clear trauma-induced Peyronie's as genetic ones.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: samsung on December 17, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
I don't even know if I agree with myself on this. I'm just saying it seems likely that once damage is done, not eating an apple doesn't seem likely to help much. I had an aunt that quit smoking 2 years before she got lung cancer and died.

And I think the opposite of GIR on genetic peyronie's. I think probably more beneficial for people that have trauma induced peyronie's than the other way around. Being that you are in an inflammatory phase and that reduces inflammation. Because I think no matter what I did or said or ate or didn't eat I would have gotten it anyway. I did not injure myself. I did not cause this. My cousin eats like crap and smokes and drinks and he does not have peyronie's. If you can prove otherwise, then you are well on your way towards enlightening the world as to what causes this disease and how to treat it. Until then, everything including what I am saying is just a bunch of b.s.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Godisreal on December 17, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
After my first trauma I had constant penile pain for 1 week, one morning it was gone. I had then developed two soft lumps that are still with me today. However, I somehow aggravated it (a doctor's examination) which is fkn insane but it happened all right. With that occasion, it seems like my body started a new f*cked up healing process and now 3 months later - I have lost a pretty scary amount of girth with little to no signs of girth-loss while erect. I also haven't lost ANY length at all, but since I do have a small upwards curve I guess that strangles the correct expansion a bit cutting off a few mm in length, barely noticeable tho.
This disease is the only disease that is so unpredictable that it is absolutely ridiculous... I mean what makes one person worse doesn't matter for the other. And the different stages & all this and that, it's all individually. My curve has been stable for 2 months and yet today I found a fat and big blueish lump right below the glans on my ventral side, I MEAN WHAT?? You never know if you're going right or left in this b*tch... that lump is now making it hard for my glans to fill out correctly, sometimes it does fill out and sometimes not. At the same time, two or three lumps are completely gone. It's insane, really. Don't know weather im coming or going 
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on December 17, 2019, 05:59:28 PM
We've gone into it quite a few times over the various fasting threads, about fasting and all the things it can affect, and how those things can affect tgf-b1, myofibroblasts, inflammation and so on.

No-one who is familiar with this disease would argue that decreasing inflammation is not beneficial to treating Peyronie's.

The rest of it is less easy to prove, but we've talked about it a lot if you've read through the fasting threads. It's not a tenous connection by any means.

I hope one day to have the time to go back and collate it all into a usable format, but the weeks seem to get shorter the older I get.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on December 20, 2019, 09:45:33 PM
Just a thought..
Consider that the body needs "substance" as in energy to build tissue.   
If the body doesn't have enough building blocks to fix an injury then it will fix it wrongly.
Of course, which substance is taken in matters a lot and one should generally eat and be healthy while dealing with Peyronies Disease.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: diehardpatriot on December 24, 2019, 06:09:34 PM
Guys, this will be a long post. But READ IT ALL. And yes, I do find this relevant to this post and thinks it adds value to the sharing of ideas. This will be one of the most comprehensive posts on the forum. I think many will benefit. It'll share my experience, mixed with what I've learned and how my penis scar tissue forced me to grow as a person and spiritually.

Like all of us, in the beginning of my f'~c<+d up experience, I went through an existential crisis. I've always had a curved penis growing up, but a penile injury that was very painful forced me to become serious about learning Peyronies, and correcting my ego. Right after the injury I visited doctor after doctor, each giving me BS or no advice at all , which meant 0 help. At this point I still was experiencing pain and other weird bad symptoms. Eventually, a lump formed where the injury was. I read the forum, FOR HOURS on end looking for that one thing that can help end the horrible experience. I came across pentox and after many crappy  doctors, I found one that was genuinely wanting to help and prescribed me it. This whole time I was depressed, anxious, couldn't sleep. I took the pentox for 6 months. This was one of the things i tried, and believe me I've tried LOTS of crap.  It did NOTHING. I took it everyday without failure

At this point , I was fucken confused, and questioning everything, Including my own life. For years I've been able to go to the doctor and get a quick fix and some help and trustworthy advice. Not this time. I had one doctor, who is world renowned (dr Goldstein) tell me that if my penis hurt so bad I couldn't get an erection, that I should take a viagra and keep going. After that, I had trust issues with any advice given on this topic.  I went from being a completely healthy young man to one with a messed up and painful penis. It was best said by psychologist Jordan Peterson in his book "12 rules for life" that it's only when something goes wrong in our life that we realize that the simplicity of life is a lie. We question the universe When we get sick, Ill, injured, someone betrays us. We realize that what we took for granted , is not so simple at all, but instead very delicate.

At this point I realized there is no doctor that will save me, no medicine that will take all my pain and my lump away. (I think we all realize this at some point). But I wasn't going to stand back and let this condition keep me down. I went on a mission to learn as much as I can about optimum health. And I realized that indeed, like life good health is NOT SIMPLE. There are so many mechanisms that determine our health . The human body does not work like a machine, we are not all the same. This is relevant to this post because just Like some of you, I used to say the same things. Things like "my friend eats like crap and he doesn't have this, so diet can't be a factor" "Lots of people injure their penis and they end up fine with a nice healed penis and no lump, so it must just be something wrong with me or my genetics". These statements simplify human health WAY Too much. If those were true I can use the anecdote of my grandpa who live to 90 years old who pounded packs of beer daily to make a case that alcohol doesn't cause disease in the body.

The truth is only 1% of the human population is born with a real genetic disorder. If you were not born with a painful and progressively curved penis out of the womb, you were and are only genetically  predisposed to the peyronies condition, not doomed and destined for it.  Yes, genetics play a part in who has peyronies, but there's only triggers and pathways. For example, some women have the "breast cancer gene" that gives them a way higher chance of getting breast cancer in their lifetime. Does it mean theyre GENETICALLY DOOMED?? NO. However , if they do not take their health serious they are at high risk of paying a serious consequence of getting cancer. In my family, there is a diabetes issue, it runs in the family. Does that mean I'm genetically doomed and should submit and accept that I will get diabetes at some point In my life ? NO. And even if I were to get diabetes, it doesn't mean that I can't reverse it if I really wanted to. People, WE ARE NOT GENETICALLY DOOMED.

It is relevant to understand this, especially in this topic because it is not logical to believe that your lifestyle changes have zero chance of improving this condition. We can all agree that someone with diabetes can benefit from removing sugar from their diet. So you must consider believing that YOU CAN BENEFIT FROM CHANGES that you make. I've tried almost everything there is to try. H-100 cream, coq10, Pentox, ALC, Arginine, and lastly diet. Of all of these diet and fasting has made the biggest impact , did it heal me? No. Has it helped? Hell yes. If you think that one diet, one pill, removing or adding one food or type of food, is going to heal your penis you are crazy. Remember, it's not so simple.

When first attempting treatments for my penis, I would always think in extremes. I went full on keto diet for many months , strict no breaking it. I would abstain for weeks at a time. I thought pentox would save me. Because the keto helped, I went extreme with it. Because the fasting helped, I started fasting way too much. And I hit a wall. And from experience, I was still having pain, regardless of my strict keto or fasting or my extremely healthy diet. With peyronies, you're walking on the tight rope of balance. I really believe there are key points of improving this condition. And they must be balanced. Before I close this out with the points, I'd like to say that if you are neglecting ANY of these points you are only hurting yourself. Take all of these points serious. These are not in order .

1) diet and lifestyle
First make sure you are getting all of your vitamins, minerals,  and macronutrients. This is most important, it's very hard to heal if you are malnourished. This takes effort, it will also cost you money. To me my health is more important than money

2)physical therapy and rest
This is a tight rope. I speak from experience when I say that too much abstinence is bad, I would go weeks without holding an erection and my pain would go away for a few days, only to have it come back for NO REASON. Your penis is a muscle, and it needs to be used , it it's not used enough it will contract and become tight. Causing pain. I've also used it too much, not allowed the scar to heal without re injuring it. You must find this balance. Don't be scared to, it's natural to want to avoid pain. But healing is a painful process sometimes.  I'm still figuring this out myself, experiemnting with rest and use times. Physical therapy like traction and heat also help a lot , but like rest and use these just also be balanced.

3)beliefs and anxiety
I think this is the most important point. Anxiety shuts down your immune system completely. People who have eczema have flare ups when they're stressed out. The mind is powerful, it creates hormones that react with your body. You're making it very hard for hard for your body to heal itself when you're always anxious. Besides diet working on my mental health and peace has been the biggest helper.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: TonySa on December 24, 2019, 10:02:45 PM
How many times have you posted this?
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Post by: diehardpatriot on December 24, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
Once, Tony. I haven't been on this forum in months. My penis has greatly improved Since then.
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Post by: TonySa on December 25, 2019, 12:09:30 PM
Sorry, it looked familiar.
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Post by: AlterEgo on January 02, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
Anyone have any experience or results in dry fasting curing or helping venous leaks?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on January 03, 2020, 06:52:05 AM
No but there is a study out there on TRT curing venous leaks (statistically significant vs placebo), so maybe first step should be to get your testosterone levels checked?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 03, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
The whole venous leak thing thrown around is weird. I hear it all the time.

This is the accepted definition of venous leak?
QuoteVenous Leak is an inability to maintain an erection in the presence of sufficient arterial blood flow through the cavernosal arteries of the penis. The defect lies in the excessive drainage of veins in the cavernosal tissue of the penis, which undermines normal erectile function.

The veins natural function IS to drain arterial blood.
Arterial blood flow creates the erection by flooding the Smooth muscles which expand and hence push the Tunica to expand and hence TRAP/CONSTRICT the veins which slows down the outflow/DRAINAGE.

So then the question, is where is the problem? The arterial inflow,.. low pressure? The Smooth Muscles not filling properly to stretch the Tunica? The Tunica being faulty?
The Pelvic floor has also a function in retaining the blood inside the Penis..

I assume the veins are just doing their job..
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Post by: Bent Ding Dong on January 03, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
@skunkworks, I have been down this path of having testosterone for venous leakage and yes it does work but only while you are taking the testosterone and large doses of it. As soon as the testosterone was out of my system, the leakage problem came back. My testosterone levels were normal before starting and I took the steroid illegally as no doctor will prescribe in Aus unless your test levels are critically low. I have taken Reandron 2000mg a month or Sus 250 weekly at 500mg. This is a lot of testosterone and this was how much I needed to take to get really good erections for me.

The upsides of testosterone are:

Awesome sex drive
Better erections
More energy
More strength

The down sides with testosterone are:

It's expensive
Injections hurt
It shuts down your balls and they get tiny
It throws out your hormone levels
You have to get them illegally if your levels are normal and doctors generally don't want to go there even if your levels are low
When you try to come off steroids, there are nasty side effects especially if you have taken a higher dosage
You may need to take estrogen blockers
If you take them long term, your hormones can be permanently shut down.

Of course, you can take steroids such as Andriol which is in a capsule form and I have taken these to avoid the nasty injections but they are poorly absorbed and you need to take about 5 of them a day to keep your test levels up. Andriol is even more expensive than the other steroids mentioned. Also I have tried creams and they are crap besides Andractim which costs and arm and a leg.

I wish there was a way to boost testosterone and enjoy all the awesome benefits that it brings without the nasty side effects and costs but there isn't unfortunately.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on January 03, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: melting on January 03, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
The whole venous leak thing thrown around is weird. I hear it all the time.

This is the accepted definition of venous leak?   

The veins natural function IS to drain arterial blood.
Arterial blood flow creates the erection by flooding the Smooth muscles which expand and hence push the Tunica to expand and hence TRAP/CONSTRICT the veins which slows down the outflow/DRAINAGE.

So then the question, is where is the problem? The arterial inflow,.. low pressure? The Smooth Muscles not filling properly to stretch the Tunica? The Tunica being faulty?
The Pelvic floor has also a function in retaining the blood inside the Penis..

I assume the veins are just doing their job..

Venous leakage speaks more to the symptom than the cause. Yours is a good point though as all surgical treatments for this target the symptom, not the cause. Probably why failure rate is so high.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 03, 2020, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: skunkworks on January 03, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Venous leakage speaks more to the symptom than the cause.
RIGHT! hmm..

Blood leaves the penis through veins.
A penis that isn't hard will leak naturally. The "leak" is happening through veins. Normal!

The expansion of the Smooth Muscle cells within the CC will push the Tunica to it's limit(hard) closing off the veins that run along and through it.
IF YOU HAVE A PLAQUE(like black dot in diagram attached) sitting at/in your Tunica, the Tunica can't expand far enough to shut off the veins at that spot.(very obvious with hourglass)

The veins at that position are then as open as if the penis is flaccid. Hence why a lot of peyronies sufferers are diagnosed with "venous leakage".

The other reason could be low arterial pressure into the penis which then doesn't create enough pressure onto the Tunica to shut off the veins. That might happen with people who are in bad health or untrained.(consider that trained legs are "moving"/"pulling" a lot of blood increasing pressure that influences/"trains" the penis arteries which are connected with the leg arteries)
Another, case is if there's not enough Nitric Oxide to relax the Smooth Muscles. The blood pressure alone won't be enough to expand the Smooth Muscles. And NO is getting there via arousal(mental arousal). 
And arousal is connected to Testosterone. Simplified: Low testosteron = low arousal = low NO = No Smooth Muscles expansion = No Tunica Expansion = "venous leakage"

I can't even imagine how one would manipulate the veins to fix "venous leakage".. Probably by narrowing the veins? If I put a thumb onto my base towards the pubic bone - venous leakage "fixed" but not where it matters(right at the tunica/vein insertion like in the diagram)
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Post by: Bent Ding Dong on January 03, 2020, 10:00:14 PM
@melting, I think you are totally correct about the plaque causing venous leakage. When I first started getting erection problems it was when I first noticed a lump in my glans area and because my glans area doesn't expand enough to get hard, it has an effect on my entire penis both hardness and size as well as how long erections last because the blood simply doesn't get pinched off well enough.
The high dosages of testosterone that I took didn't get rid of the plaque but I had much better erections because of the increased blood volume and nitric oxide that was produced from the steroids. Basically, I was taking several more times of testosterone of a normal healthy male. It was only a temporary fix and in the long run it would do damage to the cardiovascular system.
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Post by: hope794 on January 04, 2020, 07:28:04 AM
Great explanation, melting!
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Post by: AlterEgo on January 05, 2020, 01:13:35 AM
I have a lump on the underside of my penis, basically where my spongiousum meets my perineum.  This causes my spongiosum to be deflated and makes my whole penis look flattened.  could this be a plque causing these issues?  I feel like there is some damage there because it feels ridged/bumpy upon touch
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 05, 2020, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: Bent Ding Dong on January 03, 2020, 10:00:14 PM
I first noticed a lump in my glans area and because my glans area doesn't expand enough to get hard,
Yeah, I softened my plaques, stretched them with traction(years ago) and normally have great erections but if I have a bad day I will get erections that seem to leak and indent right where the remaining plaques sit. If I have high libido the increased pressure mitigates the plaques.
The effect will be different for everyone depending on where the plaque sits and the other aspects mentioned.

Quote from: AlterEgo on January 05, 2020, 01:13:35 AM
I have a lump on the underside of my penis, basically where my spongiousum meets my perineum.
Please check out diagrams of the area on google pictures. That area is naturally bumpy with lots of muscles.
What is possibly happening is that you got a "knot" in the muscles there. The bulbospongiosus muscle sits right there and is responsible for some of the blood movement up the spongosium. Engaging it can shoot blood up towards the glans but actually completely relaxing it during an erection, will increase the pressure.(it opens up allowing blood to move through). But also with low libido or low excitement it will naturally not fill up.

When that area is chronically tight you will get problems downstream into your penis.
It's a much softer tissue with a very thin tunica. So the whole shunting off mechanism with veins explained above doesn't apply as much and plaques wont affect it as much.
That said it could be you had an injury and developed a plaque there which is interfering now. But very unusual I think.
Is it a round hard encapsuled lump? If it's a muscle problem you possibly could massage such a lump out.(or find a pelvic floor therapist, they often use balls to sit on in this area to massage tightness out)

Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: popopo on January 05, 2020, 08:17:18 AM
Maybe a little off topic, but I just wanna say my testosterone levels aren't exactly ideal either (in the 400's ng/dl) but as you said a doctor won't perscribe me testosterone here in the Netherlands. I have been on TRT (had to buy it myself illegally) for about a year and did about 150mg per week. My libido was good during that time and I had a lot of motivation and energy to work out and made a lot of muscle gains. Mentally though, I didn't feel good about having to rely on an illegal source and I felt like everything about my body was finally good, except for my penis. I didn't notice any significant impact on erections or peyronies symptoms. Right now I've been off testosterone for about 2/3 years and I'm thinking of getting my levels measured again as I suspect it's now probably even low than what I started out with. If it's truly low (under 10 nmol/l so I'd say in the 300's ng/dl or lower) I might be able to get testosterone gel/cream. I wonder if it will be good for me to get back on TRT or if it's better for me to just let it be. I have tried it, so I know now that it's not the cure for peyronies per se, but it couldn't hurt plus I really liked the strenght increase and extra energy.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 05, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
The dosage makes the poison ;) There might be a dosage that's just right for you. If the source is clean and it helps you short and long term you shouldn't feel bad about breaking immoral unnatural regulations that only affect you.
I learned to refrain from extremes, they rarely help. It's easy to get desperate with out condition and try extreme stuff. I feel like some comments regarding fasting go into that direction too.
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Post by: AlterEgo on January 08, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: melting on January 05, 2020, 08:04:24 AM
Yeah, I softened my plaques, stretched them with traction(years ago) and normally have great erections but if I have a bad day I will get erections that seem to leak and indent right where the remaining plaques sit. If I have high libido the increased pressure mitigates the plaques.
The effect will be different for everyone depending on where the plaque sits and the other aspects mentioned.

Please check out diagrams of the area on google pictures. That area is naturally bumpy with lots of muscles.
What is possibly happening is that you got a "knot" in the muscles there. The bulbospongiosus muscle sits right there and is responsible for some of the blood movement up the spongosium. Engaging it can shoot blood up towards the glans but actually completely relaxing it during an erection, will increase the pressure.(it opens up allowing blood to move through). But also with low libido or low excitement it will naturally not fill up.

When that area is chronically tight you will get problems downstream into your penis.
It's a much softer tissue with a very thin tunica. So the whole shunting off mechanism with veins explained above doesn't apply as much and plaques wont affect it as much.
That said it could be you had an injury and developed a plaque there which is interfering now. But very unusual I think.
Is it a round hard encapsuled lump? If it's a muscle problem you possibly could massage such a lump out.(or find a pelvic floor therapist, they often use balls to sit on in this area to massage tightness out)
How can this be diagnosed?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: LWillisjr on January 08, 2020, 09:23:42 PM
There is no way any of us can help you diagnose this.

Get to one of the expert doctors that we recommend. There are a handful across the U.S.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 09, 2020, 10:46:03 AM
I second that and I have no idea how to exactly diagnose that.
It's just a logical deduction that plaques and/or "low nitric oxide" will interfere with the natural function of an erection in the way I described which then could be diagnosed as "venous leakage".
If a doctor would diagnose me with "venous leakage" I would want him to detail for me how the venous leakage exactly occurs and what effect any measures would have. Often we just get offered a fix of the result but not the underlying issue.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on January 10, 2020, 04:13:51 AM
Quote from: LWillisjr on January 08, 2020, 09:23:42 PM
There is no way any of us can help you diagnose this.

Get to one of the expert doctors that we recommend. There are a handful across the U.S.
which doctors are recommended please show me where to find the list.  Preferably in California Thank you
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: AlterEgo on January 10, 2020, 04:15:21 AM
Is it ok to use dmso + absorbic acid while on a dry fast and water fast?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: melting on January 10, 2020, 04:56:57 PM
Why not? I have no idea why it shouldn't.
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Post by: AlterEgo on January 13, 2020, 05:48:16 AM
My issue is blood is not flowing into the penis and spongiousm with enough pressure so my penis is plump.  Mu penis is like a balloon with no air in it only the cover is there nothing inside.  I believe this starts at the perineum and behind the testicles and goes into to the penis shaft something is not putting the correct blood pressure in there to make it plump.  Do you think fasting can help this?  I just finished another 24 hours of dry fasting will do another day of dry fasting then try water only fast until 2/1/2020.  Basically the blood flow is not entering my penis shaft and spongiousm with enough pressure so penis is deflated and spongiousum is very soft when erect.  I think the area behind the testicles and maybe in perineum is where the issue starts from. 
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Post by: LWillisjr on January 14, 2020, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: AlterEgo on January 10, 2020, 04:13:51 AM
which doctors are recommended please show me where to find the list.  Preferably in California Thank you

https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,4063.0.html (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,4063.0.html)
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: IcebergLlama on February 04, 2020, 08:08:58 AM
JS I tried to PM you.

What do you do for a living that would allow you to not shower, eat or drink water for nine days?
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: JS1991 on February 10, 2020, 08:50:45 PM
IcebergLlama, so sorry my inbox was full! No wonder why I haven't gotten messages in months. I cleared some space up now though.

For a living I swing trade stocks, currencies and crypto as well as co-owning a business with my cousin, which allowed him to pick up some slack for me. I haven't done a hard dry fast in a while though. Currently water fasting. Will do another dry fast in a few months, most likely.
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Post by: Greydog on August 05, 2020, 05:18:48 AM
Hey guys,

Thought I would just post a quick update here:

MY PDs has vastly improved with the use of traction, ved and presumably fasting (will do a summary in the next few months).

I have done several fasts, including a 7 day water fast, 2 and 3 day dry fasts.

Just finished the three day one yesterday. I clearly noticed a tingling/contracting sensation around my plaque on day 2 as well as on other injuries on my body. During the fast the plaque was MUCH softer and smaller. I obviously didn't take cialis while fasting but managed to get erections nonetheless.

From what I understand, this is not a once off treatment and am planning another extended dry fast for about 4 days in about 3 weeks from now.

All I wanted to say was that out of all the treatment methods out there that I have tried, it feels like this one could have the biggest impact.

Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Greydog on August 07, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
Update:

I've noticed a very clear reduction in hour glassing. As its only been a few days it is premature to say anything with certainty at this stage. My penis "feels" fuller though (also started taking 2.5mg cialis, so maybe that could be it?) and the dent is smaller, definitely.

Rigidity in top 1/3 is not identical to bottom 2/3rd s but getting there. I'm sold on dry fasting (and ved plus traction) and will be doing another 4 day dryfast in circa 2 weeks.

Please report your results good or bad from dry fasting on penile health too! thx
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: skunkworks on August 08, 2020, 07:48:34 AM
7 day fast, awesome stuff mate. They aren't easy!
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Post by: Greydog on August 26, 2020, 06:28:25 AM
Update 2:

About to complete 4 day dry fast. Have just visited uro in Germany. Before leaving South Africa I had a uro visit, that was roughly 3weeks ago. The SA Uro estimated my plaque to be around 1.5cm without an ultrasound, however this concurs to the measurement taken around a year ago with an ultrasound. Today's ultrasound examination revealed my plaque is 3mm only! I could only attribute this difference in the circa 3 weeks to the dry fasting. The plaque feels much softer. Furthermore, this urologist detected a type of fissure resembling a penile fracture scar. This was not detected in SA.
I have not really been able to tell if the hourglassing (the main issue) has improved significantly as I am too hungry and thirsty to get a boner!
Again, I felt a stinging/tingling sensation around the plaque on day 2 and 3. This of course does not indicate a thing and I urge anyone to approach dry fasting with great caution and preperation.
Title: Re: DRY FASTING
Post by: Buho on April 07, 2023, 09:39:04 AM
Hi, I did a 3 day dry fast and a 5 day hard dry fast till now. My peyronie has not changed it´s size.
Any one here has had positive effects or results by dry fasting on his peyronie or dupuytren?
The last posts here are almost three years old.
Anyone?
Thanks. All the best.