Pro-Inflammatory Foods to Avoid
Avoid the bread basket.
Stay away from pro-inflammatory foods, which accelerate the aging process. A simple rule of thumb is to consider the following: If it contains flour, and/or sugar or other sweetener, it will be pro-inflammatory. Sugary, starchy foods are poor choices and will not only pack on excess pounds, they will make you look older than your years.
* Bagels
* Breads, rolls, baked goods
* Candy
* Cake
* Cookies
* Cereals (except old fashioned oatmeal)
* Cornstarch
* Corn bread, corn muffins
* Corn syrup
* Crackers
* Croissants
* Doughnuts
* Egg rolls
* Fast food
* French Fries
* Fruit juice—choose the fruit instead
* Fried foods
* Flour
* Granola
* Hard cheese (except for feta and grating cheeses, such as Romano and Parmesan)
* Honey
* Hot dogs
* Ice cream, frozen yogurt, Italian ices
* Jams, jellies and preserves
* Margarine
* Molasses
* Muffins
* Noodles
* Pancakes
* Pastry
* Pie
* Pita bread
* Pizza
* Pasta
* Popcorn
* Potatoes
* Pudding
* Relish
* Rice
* Sherbet
* Shortening
* Snack foods, including: potato chips, pretzels, corn chips, rice and corn cakes, etc.
* Soda
* Sugar
* Tacos
* Tortillas
* Waffles
Anti Inflammatory Foods
Bell Peppers
Bok Choy
Broccoli
Broccoli Sprouts
Brussels Sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chard
Collards
Fennel Bulb
Garlic
Green Beans
Green Onions/Spring Onions
Kale
Leeks
Olives
Spinach
Sweet potatoes
Turnip Greens
Basil
Cayenne Peppers/Chilli Peppers
Cinnamon
Cloves
Cocoa (at least 70% cocoa chocolate)
Licorice
Mint
Oregano
Parsley
Rosemary
Thyme
Turmeric
Avocado Oil
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Green Tea
Acerola (West Indian) Cherries
Apples
Avocados
Black Currants
Blueberries
Fresh Pineapple
Guavas
Kiwifruit
Kumquats
Lemons
Limes
Mulberries
Oranges
Papaya
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Strawberries
Tomatoes
Almonds
Flaxseed/Linseed
Hazelnuts
Sunflower Seeds
Walnuts
Cod
Halibut
Herring
Oysters
Rainbow Trout
Salmon
Sardines
Snapper Fish
Striped Bass
Tuna
Whitefish
On the nutrition front, here's a list of foods broken down by amounts of arginine and lysine, two amino acids that may be pro-inflammatory or anti-inflammatory, depending on which research you believe:
http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml (http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml)
Depending on your nitric oxide status, you will either want to increase lysine (decreasing arginine) or vice versa. Check with your doctor for tests that can determine this.
Quote from: alexk on October 23, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
On the nutrition front, here's a list of foods broken down by amounts of arginine and lysine
Thanks for the helpful link. Your thoughts on Lysine and Arginine are helpful especially when read in context with your previous posts on this board. Out of curiosity, have you arrived at any thoughts about a possible viral contribution to Peyronie's? That would certainly further explain the arginine/lysine effects since these amino acids have been shown to have strong adverse and beneficial effects respectively in managing herpes infections. I personally have no experience in any anti-viral research. I do find careful dietary management, especially avoiding pro-inflammatory foods to be helpful in managing Peyronie's
symptoms such as swelling, discomfort and difficult urination. Supplementation with high quality fish-oil or other omega-3 oils also helps.
Hi Hunter, there's some brief discussion on the forum about viruses and autoimmune issues:
tr.im/D7Jv
I'm personally skeptical of a viral and/or autoimmune role in Peyronies Disease.
Discussion of herpes virus moved to causes of Peyronies Disease (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,38.msg22918.html#msg22918).
High dietary methionine plus cholesterol was shown to be bad for fibrosis of the heart, at least if you are a rabbit (PMID 16054151 (http://pubmed.gov/16054151)). Rabbits in the wild don't eat cholesterol, so take that with a grain of salt.
However, egg whites contain lots of methionine (two large egg whites contain about 400 mg methionine) and egg yolks ... well, you know. I do feel that methionine makes Peyronies Disease worse, and that it might be worthwhile to try minimizing dietary intake of it. And I really like eggs.
Yesterday I skipped curcumin (since I'm fighting a cold) but avoided methionine in foods and had a very pain free day. I think avoiding big doses of dietary methionine at one sitting might turn out to be a good idea, perhaps limiting methionine to less than 300 mg per meal.
An interesting angle. I do have a good diet, but I may give more consideration to taking my eating habits in certain new directions, and seeing if it impacts pain levels etc.
Quote from: skunkworks on September 07, 2009, 03:32:22 AM
Pro-Inflammatory Foods to Avoid
Avoid the bread basket.
Stay away from pro-inflammatory foods, which accelerate the aging process. A simple rule of thumb is to consider the following: If it contains flour, and/or sugar or other sweetener, it will be pro-inflammatory. Sugary, starchy foods are poor choices and will not only pack on excess pounds, they will make you look older than your years.
* Bagels
* Breads, rolls, baked goods
* Candy
* Cake
* Cookies
* Cereals (except old fashioned oatmeal)
* Cornstarch
* Corn bread, corn muffins
* Corn syrup
* Crackers
* Croissants
* Doughnuts
* Egg rolls
* Fast food
* French Fries
* Fruit juice—choose the fruit instead
* Fried foods
* Flour
* Granola
* Hard cheese (except for feta and grating cheeses, such as Romano and Parmesan)
* Honey
* Hot dogs
* Ice cream, frozen yogurt, Italian ices
* Jams, jellies and preserves
* Margarine
* Molasses
* Muffins
* Noodles
* Pancakes
* Pastry
* Pie
* Pita bread
* Pizza
* Pasta
* Popcorn
* Potatoes
* Pudding
* Relish
* Rice
* Sherbet
* Shortening
* Snack foods, including: potato chips, pretzels, corn chips, rice and corn cakes, etc.
* Soda
* Sugar
* Tacos
* Tortillas
* Waffles
Anti Inflammatory Foods
Bell Peppers
Bok Choy
Broccoli
Broccoli Sprouts
Brussels Sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Chard
Collards
Fennel Bulb
Garlic
Green Beans
Green Onions/Spring Onions
Kale
Leeks
Olives
Spinach
Sweet potatoes
Turnip Greens
Basil
Cayenne Peppers/Chilli Peppers
Cinnamon
Cloves
Cocoa (at least 70% cocoa chocolate)
Licorice
Mint
Oregano
Parsley
Rosemary
Thyme
Turmeric
Avocado Oil
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Green Tea
Acerola (West Indian) Cherries
Apples
Avocados
Black Currants
Blueberries
Fresh Pineapple
Guavas
Kiwifruit
Kumquats
Lemons
Limes
Mulberries
Oranges
Papaya
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Strawberries
Tomatoes
Almonds
Flaxseed/Linseed
Hazelnuts
Sunflower Seeds
Walnuts
Cod
Halibut
Herring
Oysters
Rainbow Trout
Salmon
Sardines
Snapper Fish
Striped Bass
Tuna
Whitefish
what would banana's be categorized in? i eat a lot of apples and banana's.
Despise - Bananas contain quite a high amount of natural sugars. It's probably worth limiting your intake if you eat lots of them.. I think at this time the most relevant step for you is to get on pentox. I notice from your posts that your urologist isn't keen on giving it to you. Have you read the new pentox study on here? Perhaps show that to him?
Quote from: newguy on November 12, 2009, 11:12:31 PM
Despise - Bananas contain quite a high amount of natural sugars. It's probably worth limiting your intake if you eat lots of them.. I think at this time the most relevant step for you is to get on pentox. I notice from your posts that your urologist isn't keen on giving it to you. Have you read the new pentox study on here? Perhaps show that to him?
I see my urologist again on december 1st so yeah let me see the new study please.
It was posted in the resource centre and as quite promising. >>click (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1004.0;attach=355)<<
Discussion relating to it is here: https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,996.0.html
This is the study I should show my urologist correct? I am going to get on pentox asap, can't believe I didn't do it sooner.
Quote from: despise on December 12, 2009, 12:05:05 AM
This is the study I should show my urologist correct? I am going to get on pentox asap, can't believe I didn't do it sooner.
Neither can I. Early treatment is the best kind of treatment.
don't you need a lot of those proflammatories for carbs? im starting to run a lot so it won't really matter if im burning them right?
Quote from: despise on December 21, 2009, 09:35:54 AM
don't you need a lot of those proflammatories for carbs? im starting to run a lot so it won't really matter if im burning them right?
Fruit and veg have carbs. You do not need wheat or potato.
Quote from: skunkworks on December 21, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: despise on December 21, 2009, 09:35:54 AM
don't you need a lot of those proflammatories for carbs? im starting to run a lot so it won't really matter if im burning them right?
Fruit and veg have carbs. You do not need wheat or potato.
Yeah I guess you're right, its just hard because I am addicted to my whole grain cereals =P
Everything in moderation. Whole grain cereals are fine; I enjoy them myself and my longer runs get a big boost from grape nuts, honey and milk. I guarantee that if you stopped eating wheat and potatoes altogether...nothing would happen. That's right, nothing. You would still have Peyronie's. The key here is balance and moderation: Don't eat too much meat, don't eat too many fried foods and go easy on the processed foods. That's about it. For the record, I am generally suspicious of any dogma, be it religious, political or dietary.
-Skjald
Quote from: Skjaldborg on December 21, 2009, 11:23:13 PM
Everything in moderation. Whole grain cereals are fine; I enjoy them myself and my longer runs get a big boost from grape nuts, honey and milk. I guarantee that if you stopped eating wheat and potatoes altogether...nothing would happen. That's right, nothing. You would still have Peyronie's. The key here is balance and moderation: Don't eat too much meat, don't eat too many fried foods and go easy on the processed foods. That's about it. For the record, I am generally suspicious of any dogma, be it religious, political or dietary.
-Skjald
Yeah I can guarantee peyronies would still be there as well but I guess I just want to do whateverz best healthwise. I'll try to cut down on all the whole grains and try to eat more fruits and vegies.
Is there anything recommended to eat for Peyronie's or Erectile dysfunction?
Both Peyronie's and ED are fueled by inflammation and both are typical amongst diabetics. The goal as far as diet should be an anti-inflammatory diet and a reduction in blood glucose levels and in insulin levels, both of which are very inflammatory. - George
Put it here but it might be best served in oral treatments? Or elsewhere, mods will obviously decide.
I think it could be useful to everyone to have this thread where those who keep up with the research can post studies, information etc, on ways of eating that will combat metabolic syndrome and inflammation.
I'll start with this, which I see as probably one of the most important pieces of nutrition research in the last 100 years:
Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease
http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/535.abstract
For those who are scared of meat, despite it being our main ancestral food source.
How likely do you all think it is that Peyronies is just a side affect of a poor diet. I stumbled across a movie the other day fat sick and nearly dead. Talks about people eating to many processed foods and how that causes many issues. It was a interesting watch and made me start to think that peyronie's could just be a result of a poor diet. I never thought I ate poorly I wasn't a super healthy eater. I would avoid fast food with occasional trips to sub shops but never mcdonalds etc. But I did realize after watching the movie just how many processed foods I ate. Maybe this is one reason why some see results from certain treatments and others do not. Not to mention that a small percentage supposedly have regression of this and others get worse and some see no change.
rd:
To the best of my recollection, I have never heard that a poor diet caused or would cause one to have Peyronies Disease. The most bantered around cause is that Peyronies Disease is the result of trauma of some sort. However, there are many contributing factors that enter into making up Peyronies Disease symptoms there seems to be no common cause for one developing Peyronies Disease.
Injury to the tunica and erectile tissue areas of ones penis seems to be the leading factor. So, IMHO, diet would not or should not cause one to develop Peyronies Disease.
The above is just my observed opinion in working with many guys on and off the forum who have developed Peyronies Disease.
Old Man
But if you have a poor diet and sustain a injury maybe thats why it doesn't heal properly?
rd, I think I would agree with you on this, at least to a degree. I say "to a degree" because I believe there are a number of other factors. Included among them would be things like environmental toxins and individual genetics and many more. Peyronie's HAS TO BE the result of an interaction between multiple factors and that is what few people get. There are plenty of people with a lifetime of poor diet under their belts who suffer penile injury and have no problem and no Peyronie's. But, having said that, IF one has a poor diet, that will almost certainly, in my opinion, make that individual significantly more vulnerable to Peyronie's and a slew of far more serious diseases. Which of those diseases they get, if any, will be predicted by their individual genetics AND exposure to other negative environmental factors. Poor diet being, of course, a diet the raises blood sugar levels and lacks necessary nutrients. - George
Greetings,
Not sure if this topic has been covered in another thread, but I am curious to know if any individuals have reported developing Peyronies while following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet in their lives.
I have recently made a decision to dramatically change my diet and nutrional intake to battle rising cholesterol/glucose/blood pressure levels etc. I am currently working with a nutrionalist who referred me to the documentary "Forks over Knives". I highly recommend this for any individual battling heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc...I have also read the book by Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn - Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease.
This movie and book go into great detail about eating a whole food plant based diet and how it has reversing effects on blood vessel wall damage, plaque build-up in the arteries, better release of nitric oxide, and a host of other benefits..
I'd love to hear thoughts from vegetarian/vegan individuals who developed Peyronies Disease..or any other angles...I appreciate the feedback.
Take Care,
Briden
Quote from: Briden on October 21, 2011, 05:01:36 AM
Greetings,
Not sure if this topic has been covered in another thread, but I am curious to know if any individuals have reported developing Peyronies while following a strict vegetarian or vegan diet in their lives.
I have recently made a decision to dramatically change my diet and nutrional intake to battle rising cholesterol/glucose/blood pressure levels etc. I am currently working with a nutrionalist who referred me to the documentary "Forks over Knives". I highly recommend this for any individual battling heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc...I have also read the book by Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn - Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease.
This movie and book go into great detail about eating a whole food plant based diet and how it has reversing effects on blood vessel wall damage, plaque build-up in the arteries, better release of nitric oxide, and a host of other benefits..
I'd love to hear thoughts from vegetarian/vegan individuals who developed Peyronies Disease..or any other angles...I appreciate the feedback.
Take Care,
Briden
I saw the same documentary and was actually wondered the same thing. If I remember correctly they even had a urologist in it that said ED could be helped by going whole food vegetarian diet because it lowered cholesterol and allowed the nitric oxide to help repair vessel damage.
Give 'Fat Head' a gander for another take. At the very least, it's hilarious.
Nice! I'm watching "Fat Head" right now..ahh the beauty of netflix!
Anyways, there have now been close to 60 people who have reviewed this thread and not one person has chimed in to say they were living a Vegan/Vegetarian diet at the time of developing peyronies. Nor has anyone pointed me to a previous thread covering this topic.
Search also turns up nothing.
If you have Netflix watch a small segment from 52:30 - 54:15 of the documentary "Forks over Knives".
and, again, I'd love to have anybody acknowledge they were vegetarian/vegan at the time they developed Peyronies Disease.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Briden
Did you develope Peyronies Disease while switching to the new vegan diet? I couldn't see anyway possible a vegan diet could spark Peyronies Disease. I could only imagine this clean healthy diet would prevent Peyronies Disease. But if your trying to find out if it is possible for a vegan to develope Peyronies Disease then I can understand why your asking this question.
Hey Crashbandit.
To clarify, No, I did not develop Peyronies as a vegetarian or a vegan. I am just now beginning to switch to a whole foods plant-based diet based on the advice of my current nutritionalist as well as the message behind "Fork over Knives" and the book "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" by Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn.
I find the concept fascinating that their is significant science, statistics and studies behind changing nutrition to clear plaque in the arteries, lower blood pressure, reduce cholesterol, halt cancer growth, heal the bodies vein and artery walls, eliminate Diabetes, etc etc..
This got me very curious to know if any established vegetarians/vegans have developed Peyronies?
It would be an interesting variable to research..I will mention it to Dr. Lue (Maybe he can add this line of questioning to his next questionnaire)
I have begun my nutrition change, I will make sure to announce any changes to my Peyronies if any occur.
Thx,
Briden
Peyronies is scar tissue so I assume vegetarians can get it. A healthy diet would probably promote proper healing but I doubt that it would make a significant impact on whether you can get Peyronies or not.
dioporcolorisolvo
I didn't find an English explanation about what paleodieta is. Mainly in Italian, some in Spanish and other languages.
From what I understand (with my poor Italian understanding) is that the paliodieta is based on the diet that our ascentors was eating.
Crude vegetables and fruits, some meet and eggs.
Can you give a small explanation regarding the pleodieta or some link to a site that explain in English?
Thanks
James
Quote from: james1947 on March 23, 2012, 05:31:25 PM
dioporcolorisolvo
I didn't find an English explanation about what paleodieta is. Mainly in Italian, some in Spanish and other languages.
From what I understand (with my poor Italian understanding) is that the paliodieta is based on the diet that our ascentors was eating.
Crude vegetables and fruits, some meet and eggs.
Can you give a small explanation regarding the pleodieta or some link to a site that explain in English?
Thanks
James
Search "Robb Wolf" and if you can, buy his book "Paleo Dieta".
Another reference is dr.Cordain, the father of this diet.
http://thepaleodiet.com/
I must say that it's a hard diet, and when i'm very depressed i eat sugar, so i'm not able to follow ever this diet, but is my reference point.
dioporcolorisolvo
I want to mention that what I am writing bellow is my private opinion and I may be wrong, even very wrong.
I have opened your link. My problem is that I don't find some general explanation regarding what the diet is. I get more information from the Italian Internet sites (even with my poor Italian as I have written).
I have to say that in the Q&A I have read some answers that I don't like to much. The author repeats in some of his answers
QuoteI have changed my position years ago (2005) on saturated fats.
Some other answers in the same stile, I don't like also.
If his diet is based on scientific researches, how can his position changed in 7 years? Maybe just five years because he says he have corrected many things in the 2010 edition.
It seems to me more like a marketing site for the books he have written. I am not going to pay $25.95 to learn about this diet whitout basic information on this diet.
And maybe my opinion is based on my bad experience with some "professional books" I have bought in the past and I was very disappointed from them. One of them explained how to overcome prostate cancer with no surgery or medications, just by changing our diet, life stile and eliminating toxins from our body by doing xyz. I have followed the book and made myself more damage than help. Two years after I bought this book, I have read a sad announcement that the book author has passed away, guess from what? Prostate cancer.
Please do not take my post personally, is just my opinion.
James
The Paleo diet is one of a small number of "good" diets. There are a lot of "fad" diets out there that do more harm than good, but the Paleo diet gets so many thing right that it can, in my opinion, be very beneficial (and I am NOT following the Paleo diet myself, but I have deep respect for it). The IMPORTANT thing when it comes to diet is 1) eliminate all sugars and refined carbs, bad fats, etc. and 2) retain a BALANCED diet with sufficient carbs, fats, proteins AND fiber. Paleo Diet achieves both those goals as do a few other well known diet plans. You can learn more about the Paleo Diet here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet) WITHOUT having to buy somebody's book. AND, note that at the bottom of that page you will find a TON of referrences. - George
Hi guys
My fault, I have heated up on the subject talking about on the wrong topic. Paleo diet worth his own topic so:
I have split the posts regarding paleo diet from "Pentox? In my case has worsened situation" and merged them with this post:
PALEO DIET
George
Thank you for the link. The Wiki explanation is very clear.
James
Ooooops!!!
I made a mistake so the "Re: Pentox? In my case has worsened situation" is not merged yet to this topic.
I ask Hawk to help me in the subject so I suppose will be OK soon.
James
Quote from: james1947 on March 24, 2012, 09:39:50 AM
dioporcolorisolvo
I want to mention that what I am writing bellow is my private opinion and I may be wrong, even very wrong.
I have opened your link. My problem is that I don't find some general explanation regarding what the diet is. I get more information from the Italian Internet sites (even with my poor Italian as I have written).
I have to say that in the Q&A I have read some answers that I don't like to much. The author repeats in some of his answers QuoteI have changed my position years ago (2005) on saturated fats.
Some other answers in the same stile, I don't like also.
If his diet is based on scientific researches, how can his position changed in 7 years? Maybe just five years because he says he have corrected many things in the 2010 edition.
It seems to me more like a marketing site for the books he have written. I am not going to pay $25.95 to learn about this diet whitout basic information on this diet.
And maybe my opinion is based on my bad experience with some "professional books" I have bought in the past and I was very disappointed from them. One of them explained how to overcome prostate cancer with no surgery or medications, just by changing our diet, life stile and eliminating toxins from our body by doing xyz. I have followed the book and made myself more damage than help. Two years after I bought this book, I have read a sad announcement that the book author has passed away, guess from what? Prostate cancer.
Please do not take my post personally, is just my opinion.
James
If you think well....paleodiet says very banal things.
You must eat only food that come from nature.
If you think well...diseases are increasing day by day....one reason is certainly the pollution, but the true cause is nutrition.
I have a site very very good for all explaination.
This site is a doctor's blog, specialized in nutrition and fisiology. He's italian.
www.sanipersempre.com
After reading on www.sanipersempre.com (http://www.sanipersempre.com) posted by dioporcolorisolvo understanding some of the written there and reading on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet) posted by George understanding almost everything I can say that I am much confused.
Some respectable (or maybe not so?) sources stated that:
QuoteA 2011 ranking by US News & World Report, involving a panel of 22 experts, ranked the Paleo diet lowest of the 20 diets evaluated based on factors including health, weight-loss and ease of following.[24] These results were repeated in the 2012 survey, where the diet placed 24th out of 24, stating that their experts "took issue with the diet on every measure".[24] However, one expert involved in the ranking stated that a "true Paleo diet might be a great option: very lean, pure meats, lots of wild plants. The modern approximations... are far from it."[24] He quickly added that "duplicating such a regimen in modern times would be difficult."
Some experts are writing that is OK to consume dark bread and potatoes that in my country of origin are main ingredients in the daily food intake, some are against. I also like fermented cereals (in form of beer).
If I am watching my daily food intake, the only thing I can do is to eat much as possible vegetables, fruits and natural grown meet as in the place I am living can find in abundance chicken, beef, goat and lamb growing free on grass. Indeed they are much more skinny (and less tasty but much more cheap) than the imported beef from Australia. I am also working hard now to reduce to minimum the sugar intake after learning some things from George and others (I love, love, love chocolate).
James
I think the HUGE issue many have with Paleo Diet is that they consider it "hard to follow". That in a nutshell summarizes much of their complaint. I think the other major issues have to do with elimination of grains and dairy AND overemphasis on meats. To that I would answer that there are other ways to get plenty of carbs than just with grains. I would also suggest that many if not most following the #1 rated DASH diet (which IS one of the better diets) are consuming whole grain food that is not REALLY whole grain, but marketed cleverly to SUGGEST it is. They are also consuming GMO modified whole grains which present yet another health issue, not to mention that the typical wheat on the market today contains many times the gluten as wheat did in our ancestor's day centuries ago due to decades of intensive breeding and genetic selection. I DO NOT avoid grains myself, but I DO try to do my best to avoid the above pitfalls. I think the Paleo people are ahead of the DASH people on this issue. Concerning dairy I would say that dairy is HIGHLY overrated. I consume some dairy in moderation, but a lot of people are consuming far to much of it. As for "over emphasis on meats" aka too much protein, I would say that a lot has to do with the QUALITY of the meats. Those on DASH diet are free to choose meat that is industrially raised, GMO corn fed, and loaded with anti-biotics and other unsavoury ingredients. I believe this more than offsets the risks of a little larger portion of HEALTHY grass-fed beef, wild caught fish, or free range poultry. The person on the DASH diet would also be very likely consuming industrially grown fruits and veggies which are nutritionally neutered by industrial fertilization, not to mention all the toxic waste that gets dumped on them to control pests and weeds. And I'm saying all of this as a FAN of the DASH diet. In fact I HAVE TWO copies of the DASH diet book. I OFTEN use information from the DASH diet book. But those doing the diet reviews have a bias toward conventional wisdom on diets that leads them to give the DASH diet an endless number of passes while holding the Paleo diet to account using a brain dead bean counter approach. NOTE THAT ALL THE TOP DIETS HAVE THEIR ROOTS IN THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT. That tells me that their is more than a bit of bias going on here. I can say that I also have some issues with the Paleo diet. I think Paleo adherents would be well served to take advantage of the more primitive grains available because they DO provide some good nutritional punch without much of the down side of mass market grains. Personally I use a small amount of Ezekial Bread, and some Rye based products such as European made Pumpernickel. ABSOLUTELY NO American Pumpernickel though, its adulterated as far as I am concerned. I would also assert that there are milk products with value, such as raw milk whey from grass fed, growth hormone free, non-hybredized cows, as well as UNADULTERATED fermented products such as yogurt and kefir. I would also encourage them to very carefully monitor the quality of their meats. I find bison to be a good choice, even over grass fed cattle. And, James, let me assure you that chocolate is VERY VERY healthy. You just have to get the kind that is not loaded with sugar and other adulterants. Dark semi-sweet chocolate with a SMALL amount of cane sugar or other primitive sweetener is a good choice if you can find it.
Well, James, I guess now you just have move all those posts over here before the problem gets out of control ;) - George
I try but I had made a mistake ??? so I need Hawk to help me.
Next time I will be more smart :)
James
George
What I can assume from your last post that my diet is acceptable. Local meals I ate very rarely because the cocking here is sweet, everything sweet and with fire hot chilly papers. They are using a sweetened (extremely sweet) soy sauce in everything.
Also what you have written about chocolate it makes me happy not because I like it very much but also because I have lost 16Kg in the last year or so and I don't want to lose more (I am 180cm and 76kg now). The chocolate have a lot of calories and most made here with sugar cane or brown sugar.
James
Hi folks. This topic has probably been posted here before. I am wondering what to eat??? As i see many posts about avoiding carbs. Should i eat only protein?
thx
j
The answer is to eat a BALANCED diet including:
1) GOOD NON-REFINED NON-PROCESSED carbs like whole or pureed fruit that contains ALL its components INCLUDING fiber. Raw is better. Low glycemic (includes most fruits) is better. Watch out of grains, of all grains, rye tends to be the best choice. Wheat is the worst choice since it has been hybridized, GMO'd and industrially farmed, etc.
2) GOOD NON-PROCESSED proteins like whole or pureed veggies that contain all their natural components. Again, raw is better in most cases. FREE-RANGE poultry and WILD-CAUGHT fish are also good choices. I avoid red meat except for occasional GRASS FED beef, bison, or venison.
3) GOOD FATS like those found in nuts, avocado, etc. Good oils are olive oil, walnut oil, coconut oil, etc. AVOID corn oil, soybean oil, these are heavily processed and typically derived from GMO'd sources.
4) GOOD FIBER like that found in cruciferous veggies, artichoke and apples. Good fibers are ORGANIC wheat bran, oat bran, konjak flour, coconut flour, apple bran, etc.
Your diet needs to be balanced, not heavily weighted toward proteins. BUT, most people eat far too much carbs and fats and far too little protein and fiber.
The big problem with diet is PROCESSED FOODS that contain noxious things like corn syrup/sugar, chemical additives, etc. and often modify the character of the food itself to the point of all but zeroing out the nutrition while amplifying the caloric and glycemic content. The ONLY way you can tell whether or not your diet is sustaining you or destroying you is to use a cheap and simple glucose meter and stick your fingers and find out what it is that is driving up your glucose levels. When a particular food drives up your glucose levels sky high, it is also driving up your insulin levels and insulin is, I repeat for the thousanth time, INFLAMMATORY. Too much insulin WILL CAUSE tissue damage and lead to diabetes like symptoms EVEN IF you DO NOT have outright diabetes. And Peyronie's is a disease TYPICALLY encountered among diabetics.
- George
I concur!
In general, if it comes with a barcode label on it, don't buy it, but if you do, don't eat it. ROFLOL
For about the last 18 months, I have been eating mostly lactose-free and gluten-free, unprocessed food. At 172 lbs, I eat about 1,800 cal/day, roughly 50% carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat. Do NOT neglect an adequate fat intake! Just make sure it is "healthy" fat.
Monday through Friday, I eat the same food every day, and five "meals" per day (about every 3 hours). Saturday and Sunday are less regimented.
Overall, I feel much better. 1,800 cal/day may not seem like much. I am an endurance athlete and work out six days a week, four days of which have two-a-day workouts. I have one day that is rest.
A PhD nutritionist and I discussed the benefits of a "whole food" (or unprocessed food) nutrition. This is sometimes known as the Paleo diet. Athletes need more carbs than in the original Paleo diet. The nutritionist said, she believes, but does not have the research to back it up, that our body does not "recognize" most processed food as "food." And as such, it does not know how to manage it efficiently, so much of it gets stored as fat. On the other hand, "real" food is recognized and processed efficiently.
I never believed much of this until I tried it. I can only cite my continuing experience, which is all favorable.
Time for my lunch: Broiled salmon, chopped green & red peppers, sweet potato, broccoli.
To quote Michael Pollan: "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." This is a good rule of thumb. I think a common mistake that a lot of people make when changing their diets is to make things too complicated and they get frustrated and fail. Some of the suggestions below are great and have significant health benefits, but non-GMO, organic, free-range, fair-trade, vegan, gluten-free artichokes might not be available in rural Iowa (or wherever you are), so here are a few things that might be helpful at the beginning:
1. Cut out fast food to only once a month (make it a rare treat).
2. Cut out soda pop. Diet too. Drink more water.
3. Cook your own meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner (including packing a lunch everyday). Think: protein, greens, fruit, whole grains.
4. If you find yourself hungry at certain times of the day, eat a bit of cheese, some nuts or apple as a snack. The protein in the cheese/nuts will fill you up and the fiber in an apple does the same.
5. Try new foods from your local farmers market. You'll find a lot of old favorites as well as new things to try. Ask the vendor for recommendations on how to prepare.
6. Read your food labels. The fewer ingredients and less processing, the better.
-Skjaldborg
"For about the last 18 months, I have been eating mostly lactose-free and gluten-free, unprocessed food."
Lactose and gluten can cause NASTY problems for people. Part of the problem is that grains have been bread over the centuries to have VERY high gluten content, and that is an invitation to allergic response. Dairy cattle have been bread to produce milk with high amounts of lactose. Because both these substances taste very yummy in food. If you are going to eat something containing lactose, I advise taking an enzyme with it to help in breaking it down. The only thing I can advise regarding glucose is to avoid as much as possible. If you eat the "heirloom" type grain products rather than modern wheat products that make up close to 99% of the grain market, you can avoid a lot of gluten content. BUT, I would advise stopping glucose completely for a period of weeks. If you "just feel better" as a result, you may have an intolerance to glucose, and you should remove it from your diet, at least for a significant period of time, after which you can restart it in small amounts and see how it goes. But, in any case, don't underestimate the ability of glucose and lactose to screw up your health.
"Monday through Friday, I eat the same food every day, and five "meals" per day (about every 3 hours). Saturday and Sunday are less regimented."
Eat EARLY (breakfast) and eat OFTEN is very good advice. The more you can spread your food intake, the less you will risk spiking your glucose and risking a destructive insulin response. In fact, I eat a rather large breakfast, so I split it. First I have my small serving of mixed fruits. Then I hop on the treadmill for 30mins of interval exercise, then off the treadmill for my half Ezekiel muffin topped with nut butter made from RAW (unroasted) mixed unsalted organic tree nuts. I also snack throughout the day on little bits of rye crackers with nut butter and pumpernickel and cookies made from about 90% mixed soluble and insoluble bran with no baking powder or grain flour to mess things up.
"Monday through Friday, I eat the same food every day, and five "meals" per day (about every 3 hours). Saturday and Sunday are less regimented."
Its great to take a break now and then. Yesterday I went out to eat at a restaurant for lunch and had a chef's salad with chili. I ate 1/2 the salad and the little cup of chili and brought the other half of the salad home for dinner. It was great and it relieves the stress of having to be on a continual diet.
"Overall, I feel much better. 1,800 cal/day may not seem like much. I am an endurance athlete and work out six days a week, four days of which have two-a-day workouts. I have one day that is rest. "
The less (calories) you eat and the more you exercise, the better you feel and the better your health gets.
"The nutritionist said, she believes, but does not have the research to back it up, that our body does not 'recognize' most processed food as 'food.'"
Processed food is almost always saturated with simple carbs (which are simply not found in nature) and chemical additives. They indeed produce and unnatural and unhealthy response from the body that will end with ill health.
"Time for my lunch: Broiled salmon, chopped green & red peppers, sweet potato, broccoli."
Yum! I have never enjoyed my food so much as since I started eating REAL food.
"1. Cut out fast food to only once a month (make it a rare treat).
2. Cut out soda pop. Diet too. Drink more water."
Excellent advice on both points.
"3. Cook your own meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner (including packing a lunch everyday). Think: protein, greens, fruit, whole grains."
Good advice, but I am finding it is better to eat as much food RAW as possible. Some foods are more healthy when cooked and some foods (like mushrooms) should NEVER be eaten raw. But with most foods raw is better. And don't neglect the parts that never get eaten. They are often chock full of healthy substances. For example, lemons WITH the peals are rated tops for nutrition. The peels are often where the best stuff is. Don't waste it.
"4. If you find yourself hungry at certain times of the day, eat a bit of cheese, some nuts or apple as a snack. The protein in the cheese/nuts will fill you up and the fiber in an apple does the same."
With cheese, I would suggest checking your reaction with a glucose meter. I was really appalled at how cheese was driving up my serum glucose. But that may well be a purely individual response. As for nuts and apples, you simply can't go wrong on these.
"5. Try new foods from your local farmers market. You'll find a lot of old favorites as well as new things to try. Ask the vendor for recommendations on how to prepare.
6. Read your food labels. The fewer ingredients and less processing, the better."
I really can't add anything to these points. Excellent advice on both counts.
A REALLY useful website: http://nutritiondata.self.com/ (http://nutritiondata.self.com/) They got data on food that I found amazing. Its all there. - George
Just to illustrate how modern "foods" can mess with the body, recent research has shown that the body deals with glucose in two ways: 1) It detects and responds to rising glucose levels in the blood directly, and 2) it confirms the presence of glucose in the blood with actual taste receptors IN THE PANCREAS that are the same as the taste receptors in the tongue. So when you use an artificial sweetener, the pancreas gets a mixed signal. Its glucose receptors see nothing, but its taste receptors are triggered. The result is an unneeded rise of insulin to deal with glucose that isn't there. This can not be good for the human body. - George
George
Finaly I understand why artificial sweeteners are bad.
My problem is that is I have some stomach problems, the only think is helping me is Coca Cola.
In your opinion, diet coke is worst than regular? I am drinking not too often.
James
Sweetened drinks and sodas should not be an everyday thing. If you cut them out you will notice a benefit. If it's the ritual that's important, drink some green tea at the same time everyday that you would usually have a coke. Green tea is much healthier and will still give you a little caffeine kick. Coffee is OK too, it has antioxidants but don't add too much fat or sugar.
-Skjaldborg
Skjaldborg
Thanks for the replay. I do drink green tea and two coffees per day (half small spoon coffee), no sugar or milk.
I was a heavy coke drinker, I am drinking now just if I have some stomach problem.
James
An other article on Paleolithic diet.
BBC - Future - Palaeolithic diet: Should we all eat like cavepeople? (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140617-should-we-all-eat-like-cavemen)
Interesting summary.
James
Quote from: Briden on October 22, 2011, 04:24:57 AM
and, again, I'd love to have anybody acknowledge they were vegetarian/vegan at the time they developed Peyronies Disease.
Your wish is granted: I've been vegetarian since 1969 (age 15), without any breaks, without any exceptions. I developed Peyronie's about 3 months ago (I think).
Still vegetarian, but now a vegetarian with a bent dick!
When I was 20, was able to eat more than one Kg of meet for lunch or dinner, 15 eggs for breakfast.
Now at 66+ barely 200/300 gram of meet and just 2/3 eggs.
Maybe I am becoming a vegetarian also?
James
I just come along an article regarding Paleo Diet.
BBC - Capital - Mythbusting: Fads we've got all wrong (http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20141001-manage-like-a-caveman)
Interesting approach.
James
RE that article:
QuoteWhile the "research" behind these recommendations is subject to considerable dispute, the one thing we do know for sure is that most cavemen died by age 25. It's true that high infant mortality was a dramatic contributor to this pattern, but the fact remains that few made it anywhere close to the modern day life expectancy of 75 to 80 in western countries.
Why Cavemen Didn't Actually Die Young | Paleo Leap (http://paleoleap.com/why-cavemen-didnt-die-young/)
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-expectancy-hunter-gatherer/#axzz3F3E5A5Eq
It is also a silly thing for the article to say as it doesn't take into account modern medicine, lives lived in comparative safety and food abundance.
skunkworks
After reading the two links you provided, my conclusion (I may be wrong) is that both are promoting Paleo Diet (during reading, 2 times popped up advertisements for Paleo Diet). They are not sites that have no interest in the subject, like pure science researches/articles.
James
They both link to research ie/ http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf
Besides, the age thing is one of the silliest things that writers who attempt to discredit the diet bring up. Infant mortality, lack of modern medicine and medical techniques, scarcity of food etc mean that the age comparison is neither valid nor valuable when one is discussing nutrition.
Quote from skunkworks:
QuoteInfant mortality, lack of modern medicine and medical techniques, scarcity of food etc mean that the age comparison is neither valid nor valuable when one is discussing nutrition.
So how we can really know if the Paleo Diet is good for us or no?
James
Well essentially James, you can never 'know' it about any diet, as the research is generally epidemiological rather than interventional, so all you have is inference, not proof. Correlation being necessary for, but not sufficient to prove causation and all that.
But with regards to the Paleo diet specifically, there is research and there is inference also. For instance, early humans living in a harsh and unforgiving environment, does it make sense to you that those who responded best to the food they were eating would thrive and get more chances to breed than those that did not respond well? Thereby over time the species would evolve to respond best to that diet? That is the Paleo diet. There are problems with the theory, but it is a theory slowing being backed up by research.
There is a large list of studies at the end of this article - Dr. Cordain's Rebuttal to U.S. News and World Report Top 20 Diets : The Paleo Diet™ (http://thepaleodiet.com/dr-cordains-rebuttal-to-us-news-and-world-report/) and more have been conducted since.
What evidence and studies do you have to support the way you eat currently?
No, I don't have any evidence supporting my diet as my diet according to some is very harmful.
In a few words, I eat red meet and chicken, sometime fish or other see food, a lot a fruits and vegetables (really cheep hear, not organic, but what you are buying here in the local open morning market are what people are growing in they garden, taste wonderful) and unfortunately dark multigrain bread and potatoes. Indulge sometimes a cake or some other sweet things.
With this diet, I keep my cholesterol bellow 100 and my sugar bellow 70. So maybe is OK.
James
An other study, against red meat that is part of Paleo Diet:
The food that can cut years off your life | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/06/food-that-can-cut-years-off-your-life/?intcmp=obnetwork)
James
QuoteHigh and moderate intake of unprocessed meat were only linked to shorter lifespans when those participants also ate a lot of processed meat. Basically: You should cut your processed meat way back.
Processed meat is not part of the Paleo diet, only unprocessed grass fed meat.
I am not against Paleo Diet skunkworks and I notice also the sentence :)
By the way, the red meat I am eating is unprocessed and grass feed from the local open market.
James
Didn't think you were :) Always good to see/hear the for and against of things, in this case though I think the study goes some way to supporting the Paleo diet, as real meat was not an issue, just processed(modern) meat.
Sounds like you're getting great quality meat then.
The meat here in the early morning market is cut today, sold today. ;D
James
I don't know who is Julie Revelant so I don't know how is the analysis quality, maybe some forum members are interested in the article:
The Paleo diet: Separating fact from fiction | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/01/14/paleo-diet-separating-fact-from-fiction/?intcmp=ob_homepage_health&intcmp=obnetwork)
James
Hello there,
Is anyone here who could explain to me why feta cheese is good or at least not something to avoid?
I love greek feta cheese, but I always thought it is best to live completely dairy-free...
Hi Swaggy, I love it it too! I don't know of any effect one way or the other on Peyronies Disease. The authentic stuff is from ewes or goats milk so will have a quite different protein and fatty acid profile from feta made from cows milk. e.g. won't have the A1 protein in the most cow milk, it will be the A2 type thought to be less allergenic and inflammatory..
Hey project ;D
Okay yea that definitely makes sense, thanks. Can you give me your thoughts on salt? I know it is a big no-no, but everything almost tastes like nothing now that I no longer put salt on my food. Do you abstain from table salt completely?
no currently I don't worry about it much, but wouldn't go overboard with the extremely salty items such as soy sauce and Marmite and never just sprinkle salt from salt shaker on my plate. The Weston Price website is probably the most pro salt, but it might be misguided. Partly it's because there is so much conflicting information that it's impossible to be confident that it's worth avoiding. If you are concerned, you can wash or soak feta in water, which is bound to remove a lot of the salt. Halloumi cheese is even saltier. And there definitely is such a thing as sodium deficiency, I know someone who had to go to hospital to be diagnosed with it. It is also important to have a balance of electrolytes and have an intake of magnesium and potassium. I suspect that's the problem with salt, at least a possible problems, that it's purely sodium whereas the body needs a balance of electrolytes. Even the fancy salts such as Himalayan, sea salt and so on still have almost entirely sodium. Then in the UK there is Lo-Salt which has artificially added Potassium chloride , but I'm not sure that's advisable either. You definitely want to get enough potassium though.
Okay thanks for conveying the knowledge. So let's suppose you pan-fry salmon, do you sprinkle no salt whatsoever on it or just a little while frying it and then when it's on the plate leave it as that? This evening I fried salmon and added no salt during or after preparing it and the taste was incredibly dull...
I will definitely start eating some original grecian feta cheese again, and washing it beforehand is a good idea, thanks again. I get the potassium mainly from eating avocadoes and sweet potatoes, but I have to somehow befriend myself with spinach, maybe it's not as unsavory as I thought 5 years ago, which is probably the last time I tried it :D
I try not to add salt, if only because otherwise you get used to it and anything without it tastes bland. It's like habitually adding sugar to tea and coffee, it takes some time to appreciate the flavour without the added sugar. I think there's no risk of me not getting enough sodium or else I would do it- perhaps it's a reason why I like salty cheeses though, like feta and parmesan. Ha, spinach, I love its flavour but it does have a strong flavour. The flavour does go well with strong herbs and spices though, so you can try that.