Hi brothers.
Some days ago, i tried a really hard hand traction while in flaccid state. I tried to reproduce the same huge tension of devices like RestoreX, counterbend.
Long story short, i am pretty sure that i worsen my fibrosis. My curve seems a little more evident than before.... crappy life.
But that's not what many scientifical papers say: Many urologists, like Levine et al, say that PTT is good especially for acute phase. Then why my bend got worse?
I mean, when there is an inflammation, doesn't stretching cause MORE inflammation? Why many people say that it is great in acute phase?
Let me know what you think about it.
Bump ???
Could have been the normal course of the disease and maybe even worse w/o traction
Hello Tsanchez, thank you for your reply.
Unfortunately this started the day after an hard hand traction...
I don't think yanking on your dick as hard as you can and bending it, is in any way comparable to using traction devices which will maintain a certain level of traction and are not capable of pulling too hard due to the inherent strength of the springs.
Hello skunkworks. Trust me, i pulled really really hard and just after this i began to felt my scar painful again.
Yeah, i was an idiot.
Traumatism most likely worsen the fibrosis . The tissue is already inflammated
Hey guys,
Hope, this is a great and good question. As far as I'm concerned, after 1 year with Peyronies Disease, 8 months or so with traction/VED, I can positively assert two things:
- Traction worsens Peyronies Disease;
- Traction is good for Peyronies Disease.
Yep, that's it, I'm now totally lost about traction, which successively, alternatively and positively worsened and bettered my condition! But, the thing is, after so much time I think I'm now able to see and explain a little further what's going on. So, for me, here is the deal:
- What alleviated my pain and inflammation: using a traction device 2 - 6 hours a day, without too much tension, warming-up before, and taking breaks every 2 hours.
- What worsened my pain and inflammation: using a traction device when I had pain just under the glans (gone now, maybe to PRP); using a traction device trying to quickly increase rods length OR being to impatient to warm-up (most definitly re-injured myself like this in last may...); trying hand-traction (I did just like you but trying to go a little softer according to many testimonies on the forum) which greatly awakened my pain and inflammation feeling for one week (guess it's definitly not an active-phase technique...).
--> Morality: sometime things are really counter-intuitive with Peyronies Disease, but most of the time definitly listen to your body when it says stop!!
Hope I could help, and would love to hear other opinions about that!
@hope, Yes very very very bad idea, had you been drinking?
In my opinion you should treat this worst case scenario, assume it is a brand new injury and the only advantage you have is a lot more knowledge on how to effectively treat these injuries than you did when the first one happened.
Pentox, daily cialis, ved/traction, a diet which lowers inflammation and insulin, good sleep, no smoking etc.
You should never start with a hard force. I use a lot of force in my manual traction sessions and on my restorex but when I started I tugged very lightly and with caution. I did notice some worsening at first. Stop with any pain.
I agree with Skunkworks Hope, you should treat this as a new injury, hoping that it won't be as bad as the first one. That's more or less what happened to me when I re-injured myself in may: I started developping very quickly a curve to the left, but it finally stopped quite soon (the PRP may have contributed too though, besides tractions/VED/ointments). Don't be to worried, just treat this normally :-)
Hello guys, thank you to everyone for your replies..
You're totally right: i was a stupid. No doubt about this. I was just desperate and really angry, so i pushed my penis with all my force and.. re injuried myself. I lost my mind in that moment.. i wasn't drunk, just really depressed. :(
Your comments and support are really important to me. Thanks. I'll treat it as a new injury with no doubt.
Hey Hope,
I can totally understand you, and I guess most of us do. I myself behaved badly towards my junk in moments of particular fear, anger or sadness; this is precisely how I reinjured myself lately, trying to apply a lot of tension to solve the f****ng problem now...
But as Skunkworks just said, don't worry, you now have much more experience regarding injuries, and are already on Pentox, Cialis, etc... Which should, as it went for me, prevent this new injury from spreading and being really annoying.
And in order to calm down anger, anxiety and sadness, I strongly recommend you Gotu Kola (generally called Centella Asiatica in Europe), which is at the same time very sweet (nothing to do with benzodiazepin, anxiolytics or antidepressants) and very efficient, without any side effects.
All the best!
Don't beat yourself up. It's hard not to become desperate and overdo it. I have had many opportunities and sometimes I push myself in the VED during those days that I feel the most sad/ or inpatient. Reinjury can happen to anyone. Even if you are very careful. I'm sorry that it happened my bro.
@skunkworks: thank you really much for your advice.
@Gabriel: you're totally right. I still think that traction may be good, but i think that less tension and more hours are the gold standard, not super high tension and low time. But probably traction devices like RestoreX apply not as much traction as i did: i applied really A LOT of traction, because i went crazy. I'll take a look to the herb you adviced! Thank you.
@Swiss thank you, i really appreciate your friendship.
TO ALL: Thank you for the support. Is there any chance, if i begin cures within 1 month, that i fully recover from this new injury? I am taking Pentox, NO CIALIS now (can't afford it) , Coq10 , and i just bought Peironimev Plus, which contains Vit E, bluebarry, POTABA and many other useful supplements for us.
I am strongly considering to begin the cure i talked about in the post "Italian Study". Essentially it is injections of Pentox directly near the plaque: many people in Italy say that it is a really good cure, and maybe i'll serve as guinea pig for the forum, even if this will cost to me a lot. Then i'll report results.
I have never advocated high tension, only angle and duration... I'll have to be extra, EXTRA clear on this. ><
Hey NeoV,
Can you answer these two traction question for me, as it may help others too...
How do you gauge that you are giving the best tension on your penis when doing manual hand traction?
And where do you place finger clasp at on the penis? I am uncircumcised and my skin makes it difficult to grip as the skin shifts too much...
I've tried doing traction in the way you and Monty described, but it hasn't resulted in curve change (22-20 deg to the left; lower left and mostly on top side; plaque is over one centimeter in diameter) for the last two months - although my curve feels less restrictive now cause I have a calcified plaque of almost two decades old, so it's a tough one ;D
Thanks in advance!
Great question, healthman.
Obviously, even if NeoV adviced hand traction, i am not angry with him: i knew that the tension i was applying was huge, and i created more injury. I am sure that NeoV protocol was more "mild" and with less tension than mine. However, this is a really smart question and i think that it may be useful for people which are using traction with a device too. How do you know it is the "right tension"?
Best regards to you all, brothers.
I believe it usually takes 6+ months to see progress after implementing treatment protocols.
The theory behind traction is that you have consistent tension applied over a long period of time. This causes micro tears in the tissue that doesn't stretch as well as other tissues (scars) which the leads to cell proliferation and repair. The key to prevent trauma is consistent pressure without pain. Hand traction is really difficult because the pressure is not consistent and sustained. My opinion is you should not be doing this. The resotrex claims to provide higher tension and can be for shorter time periods. Other devices such as the Andro need more time of use each day to get results. Whatever you are using however takes a lot of time, six months or more. You wont get results in two weeks and you cant quick pull yourself straight. You need to be patient. Its slow and steady, this is the tortoise, not the hare.
You're right. Let's say that now i fear traction a little bit, and i think that less traction for more time is better. My only issue is that i don't know if i will be able to wear it so much hours. Are the devices like Andropeyronie painful to wear? Or do they give discomfort? I really fear that a new inflammation will occour if i do traction. (Well obviously this time it was my fault since i did too much traction)!
Hey Hope,
Andropeyronie is indeed quite unhandy and painful to wear... Until you figure out a few tricks, which make it a little less lame. I'll tell you what they are (use of cotton pieces, asymetrical rods technique...) if you decide to buy it; but I believe there is more consesus here on the PMP, which is said to be safer and easier to wear for much more time (and which I would buy if I had the money), and also on the ESL40, which has less strong pull but can be worn all day long.
About traction, it's totally normal that you're a little afraid, I perfectly understand you. I would just like to tell you: I really think you should go back to traction (with a device) the soonest you can (just wait for the sharp pain to go; use ointments like EO and VO to help that). Indeed, my worst loss of length/gain + left curvature occured just after my re-injury, when I became afraid of traction and quit it for a month and a half (I lost like 0,8cm in 40 days and developped a left curve). So please don't do the same mistake as I did!!
Do you guys doing those tractions under medical supervision ?
Quote from: hope794 on August 21, 2018, 06:36:08 PM
You're right. Let's say that now i fear traction a little bit, and i think that less traction for more time is better. My only issue is that i don't know if i will be able to wear it so much hours.
I want to add that traction was VERY uncomfortable as was VED for a few months at start. I would get all softs of weird aches, pains, especially at the start even at low traction. The first time I was advised to do traction I did so under very low tension and it aggravated my scar tissue. I got a hard flaccid. God, it was terrible. It feels like so long ago. I was very careful starting off and now my penis is very used to being under tension. I didn't see any improvements until I started to go for higher tension though, but if I started with high tension I would have 100% reinjured myself.
I can now masterbate about every other day without any ill effects or pain. Sometimes a little soreness if I havent stretched or did VED that day, but it quickly disappated. Not sure what is normal anymore, but vast improvements have been made.
Hope, i feel you. I am feeling very depressed myself. Whenever you feel alone, don't punish your penis and reach people who can understand. Since you already stopped the progression of the disease once, you can do it again. JUST FOR GOD'S SAKE NEVER DO THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN :P
Hope you can add me on telegram so we can share the struggle.
@hope794, how are things going? Any progression of the possible new injury or have things settled down?