Good news and some not so good news.
In the last 6 weeks I stopped using the Restorex. I now only use it when my hands get very fatigued. I have been hand stretching for at least 1 hr a day as hard as I can in various directions. I am also using VED though I am not using it as much as I used to. 4-5 times a week.
My erections are great. I have increased from 5.25 to 6 inches exactly. My flaccid stretch has gone up from 5.25 to 6.25 inches at my hardest pull. My dent seems to maybe have gotten a bit better, but nothing that drastic yet. My curve may have decreased and I SEE a visible change in my girth. I am out of the acute phase completely and have no pain after masturbation.
I have seen a lot of flexibility come back. I can bend my dick down to 90 degrees with only a little discomfort when before it felt like things might rip.
I think I am heading in the right direction. I really do my peryronies was triggered through some kind of medication or wide spread vein thrombosis in my arm after an infection from an IV. Does anyone else only use hand traction and has seen results?
My dick is bigger now than it was pre-peyronies and I hope in the next few months I can present to you a straight mostly dent free penis.
I just measured the degree. I have a reduced my degree bend by 6 degrees.
31 degrees to 26 degrees.
Traction F^@$!ng works. Stick with it.
WOW congratulations Swiss, that is hell of a good job, and it's nice to read !! Were you in the acute stage when you began stretching ? And what do you think really made you get out of this phase ? Anyway, this is very good news !!
fantastic news swiss, keep up that stretching you will soon be straight again, with a bigger penis, that's just great, keep on pulling.
To be 100% honest. I am not sure. I abstained from sex and limited masturbation in the acute phase to maybe 1 time a month(but I paid for it when I did as most people here on the site). I did not go on Pentox, instead I used heatpacks early on. I was dealing with daily flaccid pain, hard flaccid, two areas of inflammation and terrible morning erection pain. I was an anxious mess.
Then a bunch of crap went down- long time gf left me (for someone else I found out), people were dying all around me, I left my job.
After around the time I left my job, things started to settle down pain wise.
I was taking a lot of magnesium, arginine, lysine, during the acute phase. I still take a lot of magnesium a day. I use magnesium lotion.
I decided to use hand manipulation after the PMP and restorex werent really working for me. If the restorex can get results on 1 hr at high tensions then why not my hands? So I did that.
I will post before and afters in 2-3 months if I continue on my path.
Awesome news Swiss! Glad you are making good progress. Hoping I can achieve similar result with my chronic phased peyronies with hand stretching.
I too have changed from my ESL40 to mainly had stretching, it just makes sense because that is what traction devices do but hands can grip and measure tension pull far better than a strap device.
So what techniques do you use Swiss?! I currently use the ones Monty posted and they seem to work well, any helpful specific tips you didn't wrote about yet would be a very great to know and use. Thanks in advance and hope you cure yourself soon!
Swiss: the only thing that upsets me here, is the lack of pictures with measurements, to prove your gains. Not calling you a liar, but it's hard to believe just text, you know?
Yes, I know it's a sensitive subject... Putting pictures of your penis on the internet and stuff... But how are we helping others just by sharing text?
To me... There should be two extra sections on the forum:
-confirmed improvements with pictures
-unconfirmed improvements
Would pay for the admins to create and enforce such a section on the board.
@ pfract, think you are out of order, no as to prove their progress, you either believe the person or you don't, adding photos is a very personal thing to do, i'm 67 and don't mind showing my penis, but many are very shy, and they may need a boost to help their progress, well done swiss and all that are making progress.
YEAH SWISS. Thanks for being a hope to us all
pfract-
If you really want to see my dick. I am here to help. Send me a PM. 6 degrees isnt that crazy of a decrease and I didn't want to show people until I had more improvement.
BUT....if you want to be a doubting Thomas I will show you my dick. PM me your email.
Also, pfract- what is your regime/ background bruva?
Quote from: Health3man on June 15, 2018, 01:49:20 AM
So what techniques do you use Swiss?! I currently use the ones Monty posted and they seem to work well, any helpful specific tips you didn't wrote about yet would be a very great to know and use. Thanks in advance and hope you cure yourself soon!
My dent is near the base, that is where the curve begins. I stretch it in a way where I feel a good stretch in the area of plaque. But I vary it. Sometimes I pull upwards towards my face and other times it is towards my feet or even from side to side. Sometimes I make circular motions and that stretches the base of my dick where it meets the body. I want to start doing opposite angular stretching too. I have VISIBLE gains in length. It's sort of cool. I hope the dent goes away because it would buckle during sex in its current state.
Quote from: pfract on June 15, 2018, 01:54:10 AM
To me... There should be two extra sections on the forum:
-confirmed improvements with pictures
-unconfirmed improvements
There are already sections where improvements can be posted with pictures. I think creating more sections just adds confusion. I already get questions about "where does not post belong?"
Why would any man falsify their progress to us, they get no prises, no trophies, its just a boost to the men that are struggling with this monster Peyronies Disease & ED, so when a man steps forward and says, look what manged to achieve by doing this or that, don't belittle them or we will all stop adding are progress in this forum, and we don't want that do we.
Peoples progress reports on here stop me from slumping into a depression about this, keep them coming.
@swiss
Thank you for sharing! I hope it will continue this way...
I just started self-hand-modelling, but I really do not know if I am doing anything right. How much force to apply? How to pull? And grab? And how long without creating trauma?!
Maybe we could create a video or drawing in the longrun. What do you think?
Great proposal, Alexander. A video series on how to use VED, how to manually stretch, how to do injections for who need them for ED, and so on.. all those things would be really helpful.
I will open a topic if somemore people are interested in helping to create these. I think
It could really help new people with peyronies. It took me weeks to figure
Out how to use ved etc.
I have a few very short videos max 10 seconds, this is because email will not take more than 25mb, so it could be difficult to get any videos uploaded.
We could upload on youtube.
don't think they would allow that.
maybe it can be done with a plastic penis instead?
don't think you would get the right effect.
there could be different videos. maybe a general "how to..." and personal videos in which users show how they do it. but we would have difficulties sharing those in public. and my idea would be to have a public video, to share the experience of other users with new ones in a general way.
great idea of yours but don't think it will get off the ground, it would be fantastic to see others use the various equipment available to us.
maybe this forum will open up a video tab so we could add videos, of course members only, bit like the female only tab.
You could upload it to google drive as a private link. YouTube allows dick related videos if it is medical and not sexual. You need to have it be educational. I have seen plenty of dicks on YouTube for VEDs.
As far as force goes. I sort of pull until I can't pull anymore. There is a limit to the distance your dick will stretch. Depending on the angle that I pull on that depends on the amount of force I can pull. For example. If I pull downward parallel to my body I can't pull as hard because I feel the pull at the base of my body at he ligament. However, at 90 degrees perpendicular I pull really hard (over 6 inches flaccid stretch at the moment but only for a few seconds at high tension) my hand gets really tired. I pull enough not to feel any pain. If I feel any pain I lessen up the force.
Apparently you tube has an age restricted category, which coupled w science and technology would allow videos demonstrating medical treatments w the penis.
removed.
Yeah...for me the onl frustration is my dent at the curve sight...it would possibly buckle during sex...not sure how to get rid of that...that's my ONLY gripe right now. SURE I am increasing length and my curve has reduced and it has only been about 6 weeks stretching with this new strong force...BUT...none of this matters if I cant get rid of or at minimum half what my dent is at this point in time...no way for me to visibly see a reduction...though it might be.
I started doing some manual stretching when applying H-100 compound twice a day..I guess my ? Is how hard can i stretch? Do u stretch until u feel slight pain or discomfort? That is only thing i've Always wondered about..
@swiss
my indentation annoys me most too. It just feels like part of me is missing :'-(
One more question regarding manual stretching: Where or how do you grab your penis? I feel like it should be the glans. Because then the pull effect or force is also "on the inside" and not only on the outside skin. Right? What do you think? But the glans seems to be fragile too
Yes at the glans or immediately below it. Xiaflex has instructions for this. Hold the base and stretch from the glans.
Hi Swiss! It was great to hear of your success. Congratulations, and thanks for sharing it! I know you said that you have been doing manual stretching for 6 weeks, but could you tell me if you do it every day or not; how many times per day: and approximately how long each stretching session lasts? Many thanks.
@freemason @Alexander
I pull with a lot of force. I start off lightly, because the initial pull always hurts just a little. And then I create more force. As I go. I bring a ruler into play and try to extend a little past my highest stretch. At that point it is hard to stretch it that far. I only do it for a short hold.
I think I wouldn't recommend going hard if you are in the acute phase. I wish I had done manual stretching then, but lighter stretching to avoid reinjury. My dick at this point seems very unseceptible to new injury for some reason. Almost like my period of inflammation was temoporary. I still think it was triggered by infection or other outside phenomenon.
I use the protocol of the restorex with manual stretching. I do it every day. Sometimes for 30 min sessions and sometimes for 1 hr full sessions and interchanging my hands when they get sore. Sometimes I will get into the restorex for a break because my hands hurt so much from the force. I don't like how my meatus swells in the restorex so I limit my use of it to about once or twice a week.
The thing is that if the restorex proves that it's not the length of time in the device but the force, then manual stetching should be just as effective.
I also stretch anytime I can during the day even for a minute or two- shower, in front of computer, even in the car on a long drive under a blanket on the highway. I am so determined to beat this into submission.
Swiss: this is not about just doubting somebody. It's about all the dubious accounts of improvement, and the miraculous cures that people claim here, that have no tangible proof, that get to me. Again, not calling you a liar, but man... saying you got this amazing length gain and you haven't tracked your progress in any way? I am not talking curvature here.
And also... this mentality from "Monty", in my opinion, really hinders the board, in the sense that you can't call out nobody to prove their claims for fear they will get upset and not post. It's simply not the case.
I really think it would be amazing, if some members of the board got together and kind of tracked down things, and devised methods to track progress and post it online so people know what works and what doesn't so they can try it out for themselves.
As an example... when i go for the implant, i plan to share everything online to help out others. Same if i go for restorex. Pictures in flaccid state, and erect (well, as best as i can, since i can't sustain my erection for much long due to the fracture i had), and measurements from doctors office and home.
Swiss that's awesome you're seeing improvements. Congrats! I hope you continue to see even more!
And also... this mentality from "Monty",
must change my views.
Good news should always be shared, the fact this post has 500+ views means we are all hungry for positives, let's continue to share and respect each other, nice post Swiss :)
Paul.
Quote from: pfract on June 18, 2018, 12:21:56 AM
I plan to share everything online to help out others. Same if i go for restorex. Pictures in flaccid state, and erect (well, as best as i d home.
yes, and so will I. I am 6 weeks into this new regime. Already seeing improvements. I will share before and after I have been doing this for 3 months like I said above. I am NOT going anywhere. I have been a contributing member on this forum for a while now.
My curvature went from 30 degrees to straight using RestoreX with xiaflex. I gained back just slightly under 2" from my lost length. I attribute that to RestoreX as xiaflex doesn't help regain lost length.
how long did you do restorex for?
Quote from: swiss on June 13, 2018, 05:14:41 PM
My dick is bigger now than it was pre-peyronies and I hope in the next few months I can present to you a straight mostly dent free penis.
Are you sure? What was your pre-Peyronies Disease BPEL and BPFSL?
On the other thread: Still waiting - Peyronies Society Forums (https://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,10176.msg96303.html#msg96303)
James1947 wrote:
QuoteYou can't get bigger than what you was born with without surgery!
James
Keep sharing, Swiss. It's greatly appreciated!
Hey Alex, what James wrote is factually wrong. The penis lengthening devices were designed to do just that. Its the same principle that African woman use to stretch their necks. If you put constant stretching pressure on an area you cause micro tears of the tissue and cellular proliferation for repair. Do it long enough and you will get permanent growth. The penis can be made longer using these devices, but its a lot of time and effort. ..
Swiss
Just before starting xiaflex treatments and 6 weeks after the last cycle when I had my final evaluation appointment. October-April. No more than 60 mins a day. I have a thread in xiaflex treatments with a little more detail.
Quote from: betterbend on June 18, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Hey Alex, what James wrote is factually wrong. The penis lengthening devices were designed to do just that. Its the same principle that African woman use to stretch their necks.
Are you sure that he's the one who's factually wrong? I don't think that micro tears cause tissue's lenghtening everywhere in the body. Actually those are peyronie's leading cause according to every paper published on the subject. The theory according to which microtraumas in the penis lead to lenghtening is the one that's proposed in penis enlargement forums and a lot of people came here from there after following these ideas.
I'm not a doctor, nor a researcher, but I really can't understand how the penis could lenghten beyond its original size by "causing controlled micro traumas": considering that it is a complex organ, made of three chambers and one of these contains the urethra, theoretically you should simultaneously cause the same amount of "tears" in the corpora cavernosa, the corpus spongiosum and the urethra, because they should grow together, shouldn't they? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Werther
The tunica is made up of dense tissue. Through traction, it can be stretched out over time. That's why people who use safe forms of traction and hand modeling see an increase in lost length associated with peyronie's.
I didn't say you can't recover your lenght (or part of it) after the onset of peyronie's. I'm referring to the possibility of getting your penis longer than the one you're born with as someone here suggested; I personally think this is impossibile with stretching.
When you recover some lenght with traction after peyronie's onset, it happens because you stretch out the plaque getting it more elastic: in fact you can recover what you've lost (most of the times just a part of it); but if you don't have any scar tissue in the erectile tissues I don't see how you can gain some centimeters/inches... You'll rather risk the opposite.
Quote from: AlexSamo on June 18, 2018, 02:09:28 PM
Are you sure? What was your pre-Peyronies Disease BPEL and BPFSL?
Never stretched my dick pre peyronies. All I know is that 6 weeks ago I could stretch it 5.25. In the pump I marked my dick as 5.25 because that was also my erect length. Now I can stretch past 6 inches a bit and I am at 6 inches erect. I can easily get over 5.25 FS. Before Peyronies I was a quarter inch shy of 6 inches and perfectly straight. If my dick straightens out I would be above 6 inches I am sure.
The final length of the erected penis depend on the erection quality also.
James
I don't doubt what Swiss is claiming one bit. One could argue that he isn't measuring the proper way a urologist would with their tools. But, his measuring is consistent with his own methods and readings. You can't argue that. Plain and simple.
I do believe people with a micro penis use methods of traction or VED to gain more than what they were born with. Regardless, there's a lot of factors that we don't understand. Every case is different. But, curvature, deformities and a proper functioning penis are the main objectives with peyronies. Way to go Swiss!
WhatsNext - You re-gained back all of your lost length due to peyronies ( about 2") due to traction, right? (I know you had Xiaflex,but it's not supposed to help lost length.)
Ive regained 2" of lost length. That measurement of improvement is from my initial consultation and my final evaluation measurement. Mid-treatment evaluation was 1.6". No, I haven't gained all length back.
How much original length has not returned? Are you still stretching?
Roughly 1"
Werther, there is no doubt Penis extension devices work. They have been around a long time and have only recently been found helpful for Peyronies, the AndoPeyronie was once the AndroPenis. Its original use was male enhancement. There is a medical condition called Micropenis and one of the treatments for that is using an extender to add permanent length.
From Time Magazine:
Two urological researchers, Marco Ordera and Paolo Gontero of the University of Turin in Italy, examined outcomes from both surgical and nonsurgical procedures for "male enhancement" in previous studies. Half of the studies involved surgical procedures performed on 121 men; the other half involved nonsurgical enhancement techniques used by 109 men.
The surgical treatments, the researchers found, were dangerous and had "unacceptably high rate of complications." But among the nonsurgical methods, at least one appeared to help grow a man's member: the "traction method," in which a penile extender stretched the phallus daily, resulted in average growth of 0.7 in., or 1.8 cm, of the flaccid penis in one study. In another study of the same method, men reported an average increase of 0.9 in. (2.3 cm) in length while flaccid and 0.67 in. (1.7 cm) while erect."
There is a lot of information about this online. If you put enough continual force on the area, over a long period of time the body will adjust for it and grow new tissue. It can be done to bones too.
Can someone please tell me where I can obtain a copy of Dr. Levine's traction protocol? Also, does Dr Levine recommend Restorex? If not what traction device(s) does he recommend? Thanks!
Tony52 What is your peyronie's situation? Have you had any treatments?
(WhatsNext) Stable peyronies for several years. Was part of the clinical trials for Xiaflex with Dr. Gelbard, but didn't have improvement. After Xiaflex was approved, I went through 4 more injections of Xiaflex with Dr. Gelbard. After the third injection of the four (the second time around), I obtained much improvement in the curve. (I started with a 40 degree curve and I think it went down to about 20 degrees or a little less I also did traction during the second go-round of Xiaflex, off and on. I used a cheaper traction device which was difficult to use and then I used Phallosen Forte. Phallosen Forte was much easier to use, but, in my case, seemed to stretch my penile skin instead of the shaft. Kinda like I wasn't circumcised - but I am. I'm now concerned about a lot of lost length and want to give traction a serious try. That is why I asked where to find Dr. Levine's traction protocol and what he recommends for a traction devise(s). I know you highly recommend Restorex and was wondering if Dr. Levine had an opinion about it. Thanks!
Dr. Levine is my doctor. He doesn't have a prescribed protocol. Just that the longer you can wear a traction device he feels you get more benefit from it. The spring loaded rod type traction devices you need to take a break every 2 hours.
The last time I spoke to him he was recommending the Phallosan Forte type device because it is a little easier to use and you can wear it longer.
Quote from: Tony52 on June 19, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
Phallosen Forte was much easier to use, but, in my case, seemed to stretch my penile skin instead of the shaft. Kinda like I wasn't circumcised - but I am. I'm now concerned about a lot of lost length and want to give traction a serious try.
Check out the video on RestoreX recently posted in this section. He addresses that issue and shows how to avoid it. If the device doesn't work out, you can return it within 30 days for a full refund. I believe the return shipping is free as well.
LWillisjr
RestoreX is spring loaded and requires a break after 30 minutes of use.
Thanks for your replies, LWillisjr and WhatNext.
Wonder why Dr. Levine doesn't seem to be recommending RestoreX??
A few medical studies (small number of men without control groups) showed .5 - 2 inches in length gain for small penises. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/sexual-health/in-depth/penis/art-20045363
any one know what the average girth of a penis is?
seems that between 5 to 7 inch long is average.
is the average girth the same 5 to 7 inch circumference?
Is Dr Levine not recommending restorex even though he was on the original medical study?
What was his involvement with the orginal study?
Tony52 your inbox is full.
Has Anyone here seen improvement with hand traction as well? What about Reliving dents in the penis with traction?
My indentation, near the base, subsided with traction.
Quote from: Tsanchez12369 on June 25, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
Is Dr Levine not recommending restorex even though he was on the original medical study?
To be clear, he is not involved or associated with this device.
My apologies, I do not think he was involved in the original study—it was the H-100 study.
Hi Swiss, yes i found great improvement with reducing my bend use hand traction/ stretching, none or very little gain in length, but did get back to pre Peyronies Disease length, which was a 1.5 inch loss, found VED gained a lot on girth.
OMG Whatsnext, your post just gave me a HUGE hope, as it's the first one of this kind I see on the forum: so you can testify that traction can reduce and cure dents/hourglass???
I'm starting to get very nervous and desperate about my shrinking/narrowing/shortening, as my Peyronies Disease is not stabilized yet... Can you please tell us the exact protocol you used ??
I had severe hourglassing, 30 degree curvature and an indentation at the base.
-Xiaflex
-RestoreX for 60 mins a day.
Done in 2, separate 30 min sessions. First 15 mins straight, the last 15 mins, bending opposite of the curve.
-Hand modeling. 5 times a day. A total of 5 mins a day.
Each time 30 seconds straight, 30 seconds opposite or curve.
-20mg Generic viagra at bedtime.
Xiaflex doesn't help with deformaties such as hourglassing and indentations, nor loss of length. Traction studies are showing it's beneficial for all of the stuff injections didn't help.
Gabriel-Many urologists are now saying that traction, if tolerable is beneficial in the acute phase.
Tsanchez-No worries. Just wanted to clarify as there has been some confusion with the H-100 cream and affiliates. It's probably not a bad thing that we have a few promising treatment options to the point where we are getting details mixed up. Ha!
Thank you so much for your very precious advice Whatnext!!! These are exactly my symptoms, except that the curvature is half-up/half-left, and my hourglass concerns the top half of my penis.
So I guess the fact you said "had" means that you are now cured or so??
Well, I'm surely coming back to traction as soon as my abstinence obligation from PRP injection ends; still wondering how much force I should apply in my (very) inflammatory phase though >:(...
Quote from: pfract on June 18, 2018, 12:21:56 AM
Swiss: this is not about just doubting somebody. It's about all the dubious accounts of improvement, and the miraculous cures that people claim here, that have no tangible proof, that get to me. Again, not calling you a liar, but man... saying you got this amazing length gain and you haven't tracked your progress in any way? I am not talking curvature here.
And also... this mentality from "Monty", in my opinion, really hinders the board, in the sense that you can't call out nobody to prove their claims for fear they will get upset and not post. It's simply not the case.
I really think it would be amazing, if some members of the board got together and kind of tracked down things, and devised methods to track progress and post it online so people know what works and what doesn't so they can try it out for themselves.
As an example... when i go for the implant, i plan to share everything online to help out others. Same if i go for restorex. Pictures in flaccid state, and erect (well, as best as i can, since i can't sustain my erection for much long due to the fracture i had), and measurements from doctors office and home.
You are completely insane. You act as if he double dhis size, it's not that impressive of a length gain, average for RestoreX if that
@peter123 - a 2cm gain IS a very impressive gain for a Peyronie's victim and is also a 20% increase on the average for Restorex in their first study.
I agree otherwise. We cannot expect people to be comfortable posting their penis online.
Quote from: swiss on June 13, 2018, 08:32:07 PM
I just measured the degree. I have a reduced my degree bend by 6 degrees.
31 degrees to 26 degrees.
Traction F^@$!ng works. Stick with it.
Am puzzled why you stopped your old regime. When it's brought you great success?
Quote from: skunkworks on June 29, 2020, 09:06:10 PM
@peter123 - a 2cm gain IS a very impressive gain for a Peyronie's victim and is also a 20% increase on the average for Restorex in their first study.
I agree otherwise. We cannot expect people to be comfortable posting their penis online.
I read a study on andropeyronie and they managed 50% improvement in curvature over 12 weeks with 6 hours a day. I think longer with less tension is better than 1 hour of RestoreX and more trnsion