I have had Peyronie's for two years. I haven't lived in the USA for seven years, so I had to do a lot of research and attempts to treat it in Russia and China. In Russia, I attempted Acetyl L-Carntine, CoQ10, vitamin E, and Alpha-Lipoic Acid (3 month course)...with no effect. I found a Russian drug specifically for Peyronie's (unavailable in the USA) which reduced (not eliminated) pain, but did nothing for the curve. I also tried castor oil and a vibrating toothbrush, both with no help.
Then I moved to China. In China I began seeing an acupuncture doctor for diabetic neuropathy. One day I decided to ask him if he could treat Peyronie's. He said he'd never done so, but had literature about it, and he'd attempt to treat it according to his literature. After four treatments the curve was almost over-corrected! Now there is a 1% curve, but a slight bump (probably the plaque). I will now try manual stretching and the toothbrush again (to break up the plaque). But acupuncture was the key to cure the curve.
Seek an acupuncture doctor who will treat it! If you can't find one, make a trip to China! Seriously!!! And the cost of four treatments for Peyronie's cost $24. A visa and flight will be an additional cost, but well worth it! I live near Beijing, and would be happy to take you to my doctor if you decide to come. Or find a Chinese acupuncture doctor in the USA. It's rather intense...it feels like a 9-volt battery inside your penis for about 1 second (x4 treatments), and then the curve is gone. Truly, truly amazing! No needles are inserted in the penis. One is inserted and removed below the belly button, then you flip, and one needle is inserted (and removed when you feel the "electricity" in your penis) in the upper butt cheek on both sides. Crazy...but effective, efficient, and cheap.
Seriously!, this is your first post and surprise, your cured of Peyronie's, Huh! :) :)
Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide before and after treatment images so we can all see this wonderous result. Perhaps you could provide copies of that so called literature. No one posting here should give false hopes to some of those who are desperate, what is your motivation?
Paul :)
I only joined to post my experience. I visited this website several times before (how I learned about supplements).
The literature is, of course, in Chinese. I didn't ask to view it personally. In China, acupuncture doctors are a step above traditional doctors because they must first study medicine, and then acupuncture. I've never asked an endocrinologist to view the literature they have regarding diabetes treatment, so the thought never entered my head.
I have been trying to post pictures for 20 minutes. NOT very user-friendly. Can you advise how?
Hi docebo, I have sent you a message regarding posting of images and I want to apologise if my post came off as unfriendly, that was never my intention, please keep posting (if you wish) and take care.
Paul.
I received your message, and thank you for the information.
I understand your skepticism, absolutely! And being a "newbie" from the get-go, claim to be near-cured. I get it.
Again, I read here for a long time as a guest, and got some information about supplemental treatment, which just didn't help me.
It was just chance that I ended up in China...and further chance that I sought acupuncture treatment for diabetes issues...and further chance that I asked the doctor about Peyronie's treatment.
A lot of chance...but truth is stranger than fiction.
Hi docebo!
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I have an indentation in my shaft on the left side where the hardenened scar tissue is. Do you think I could get my girth back? What about length? Could you gain your length back? Did it improve your erections and pain?
I'd really consider flying to Beijing to get an acupuncture treatment.
Docebo,
You say that your curve is essentially gone. You did not say if you have your pre Peyronies Disease length and girth and erections.
And how much original curve did you have before acupuncture?
Here are before and after pictures. The before picture was taken over a year ago, when I first visited a doctor in Russia. The after picture was taken yesterday, after being asked to post pictures.
I don't know the initial downward curve angle, but I'll guess 8-12%. Yes there was length shortage, and a lot of pain during erections.
After the four treatments, the downward angle is slightly "over corrected," and there is a 1% upward curve. I've decided to try try the Acetyl L-Carintine, CoQ10, and Alpha Lipoic Acid regime again, accompanied with sonicare toothbrush massages. In addition, I'll also do stretching. After a month of this regime I will return for one more acupuncture treatment. Hopefully that will correct it entirely. I will post the final picture in about a month.
BUT, after the four treatments I've received, I have a SLIGHT upward curve (vs. a not-slight downward curve), 1% pain happens OCCASIONALLY, and my length returned 95%.
I couldn't help it. I told my acupuncture doctor I wanted a picture to post on the Internet. So, I've gotta do it. I was this doctor's first Peyronie's patient. I am more than satisfied with the results, but have hope for a little bit more result.
**UPDATE**
I have begun my regime. I will take 1 mg Acetyl L-Carnitine, 400 mg Alpha Lipoic Acid, 100 mg CoQ10, and a propolis softgel (not sure the dosage because the label is in Chinese) TWICE per day. Any comments / suggestions on this regime? I just took my first dose.
I will use proExtender penis enlargement system daily, and two sonicare massages per day. Any comments / suggestions about this regime?
Wow, nice result there :)
Presume you mean 1 gram of ALC not 1 milligram, yes?
The Propolis 100mg x 4 times a day would be good, I have used Propolis before and, well it helps, a bit lol :)
I have also had slight benefits with Boron and Taurine although it never is a good idea to take amino acids in isolation of others.
Be careful with traction and stretching and take it easy, a 95% return of length and girth is a fine result.
Paul.
I notice a couple things about you photos. In the after photo you are holding and griping your penis very tightly. Is there a reason for that? It covers the base and makes it difficult to see the natural angle.
Because of the lighting and angle of the before photo it is a little difficult to compare all aspects. I can see that the bend looks better but in the after photo it looks like there could be some narrowing of girth just about an inch before the glans. I cannot tell if that was there in the before photo.
I was hoping for more detail on length and girth measurements such as
Before Peyronies Disease
At your worst
Now
A bend or curve of course is caused by plaque. Straightening can be caused if plaque develops on the opposite side. The new plaque on the opposite side acts somewhat like a Nesbit tuck. Your penis gets straighter again but at the price of length loss. I experienced this and ended up with an almost straight penis.
Hawk,
I never paid so much attention to my penis as since this disease...
The length now is about 95% of what it was. At the worst, it was shortened by about 15%. The entire girth wasn't fully effected, but as you noted, toward the tip it was. My penis isn't 100% of what is was before Peyronie's, but there is minimally less girth towards the tip, (but at the worst point, even less). For a while, it seemed as if my penis was deformed. But after acupuncture, it's ALMOST back to normal.
I am doing the regime as I previously indicated (perhaps I will negate the stretching aspect?). I am taking supplements (and yes, 1 gram of ALC twice daily, Paolo), and doing sonicare massage for 20 minutes twice daily. Today is only the first day...so I've got one month to go before I ask for a (hopefully) last acupuncture treatment. I will post another photo then.
Hi Docebo
Can you ask your acupuncturist in China whether they have any contacts in the UK that can perform this please ? I started making enquiries into peyronies acupuncture treatment in the UK last year after the onset of my peyronies. I didn't get anywhere so didn't pursue any further. There also didn't seem to be anyone on here saying anything positive about the possibility of acupuncture as a peyronies treatment , although I felt and still feel that it could be very effective. And your post seems to suggest that may be the case
I would certainly try this as I have had acupuncture before and know how effective it can be. And would be especially interested as if the needles don't need to be inserted into the penis
Many thanks
Congrats, I am interested to know more about the acupuncture regime.
Can you please tell us the name of your doctor and tell him about us? We are hundreds here and really would love to know something about him and what he does. Please tell him about us, maybe he can register here and explain to us his techniques. Thanks!
Acupuncture kind of makes sense to me if you are able to poke the plaque with a needle you might be able to break it up or trigger the body to break it up. There are surgeries where they cut up the area of plaque with micro cuts. They also say that scratching external scars is the only way to break it up. It's possible that puncturing the scar might do something to it.
Super interesting. Any other takers to try?
It was a France doctor who was lacerating the plaque with a thin needle without cutting the skin. Just inserting the needle.
Have also somewhere on the forum a research they have made. I don't know what happened in the meantime with this subject, but it didn't become a mainstream Peyronies treatment.
It make sense what Swiss wrote.
Here where I am living now, 4 hours drive away (south east Asia) I found 2 MD that specialized in acupuncture, but Peyronies is not listed as one of the diseases they are treating.
I am planning to contact them at late November as I don't have time before.
Will report back after I will have the appointment.
James
PS: I added the word "acupuncture" to the title of the topic so can be found easily if searching for.
i have read another publication that the french method is not very safe and had bad results,also please guys this is an accupuncture thread lets keep like that do not hijack it we could make another for leriche method
Can you please share the name of your doctor? It would be very helpful.
i have visited nine different urologists none of them being helpful at the end and two of them are experts in my country
As per Whyisthishappening request, I split the Leriche technique from the acupuncture topic.
Sorry for hijacking the topic
James
Acupuncture of the penis.
Could increase scarring though.
Acupuncture needles are thinner than the thinner possible needles used for injections.
But Christopher is right, any needle could make scarring.
James
We can easily say that docebo was another scammer. Allright.
I'd just like to say that I tried self acupuncture on my peyronie's a while back and it didn't do anything positive. I tried very fine acupuncture needles and slightly bigger needles and if anything, it may have aggravated the plaque.
The original poster stated the needles weren't inserted into the penis, instead one below the belly button and then two above the buttocks.
js what do you think i am willing to try it did docedo said the intervals between his acupuncture sessions or it was everyday for 4 days
I would definitely try it, nothing to lose. I'm not going to fly to China lol but if there's someone in New York that knows how to do this I would be down. And no, I didn't see him mention intervals. I'm guessing it's in some chinese manuscript. Doesn't surprise me, they have treatments for all types of weird ailments.
i will call today an acupuncturist in my city ,i will also learn if i can buy salvia miltiorhiza from china my other option is salvia officinalis it has rosmarinic acid