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Title: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: thinkpositive on December 25, 2018, 10:22:25 PM
Happy Holidays Everyone,

I want to start by saying that for those of you who are new to this, you have a scar and if you have ever had surgery and had to massage your scar after, you have to stretch this one. Stretching from the very start is the key and I am a big believer in London Trost and RestoreX.

The key is to see a doctor who can tell you where your scars are so you can come up with a good stretching plan.  I had a bend left so I stretched straight and to the side... made some progress...then saw Doctor Trost who told me to bend straight and down and now I'm progressing much faster.  I wish I had seen Landon at the start but due to my logistics, I saw him as soon as I could. 

Going to post pics in the other thread now
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: Pfract on December 26, 2018, 01:07:00 AM
I am not doubting the doctor, but what would be the reasoning for stretching down and straight? Considering your curve was to the left?
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: thinkpositive on December 26, 2018, 03:36:56 AM
Good question, the actual scar is top and to the left side a bit.  When he examined me, he said the scar was more on top...and that I should stretch down and he was right.  He obviously knows where the scars are and how to effect them - check my pics
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: Hawk on December 27, 2018, 08:56:15 AM
This stretching at an angle is to me, very illogical and a bunch of non-sense.  Let me explain.

If you put your finger through one end of six 4" rubber bands and the finger of your other hand through the other end and stretch they all stretch together.  The all go from slack to minimum tension at the same time.  They will all be at maximum tension at the same point.  They all have equal tension on them at all times.

Now take one rubber band off and tie a knot in it representing plaque that shortens tissue.  It will shorten that rubber band.  Now put it back in its place.  When you start to stretch, all the tension is focused on the shortened band (or tissue) before the other bands even have all the slack pulled out of them.  The angle is irrelevant.  By the very nature, of the tissue (short, less elastic) the tension will be exerted against the short tissue or bands regardless of the direction or angle of pull.  PERIOD 

Geometry and physics allow for no other explanation.
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: JS1991 on December 27, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
Technically, the band running up the far side (opposite direction you're pulling) will have slightly more tension than the closer band. When trying to achieve as much tension as possible without hurting ourselves, I believe it helps. I can actually feel the stretch more when pulling in different directions, which I use to target different sides.
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: TonySa on December 27, 2018, 11:30:01 PM
I wonder is someone sent Dr Trost Hawks example how he’d respond.  He seems very sincere vs being simply motivated to sell the device, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: Pfract on December 27, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
@Hawk: have you given a look at this users progress pics topic? i sort of disagree with you on this matter.

http://www.peyroniesforum.net/index.php/topic,10328.0.html

It is a very dramatic improvement from the device usage.... sure, correlation does not mean causation, but it does make me seriously wonder...  :)
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: thinkpositive on December 30, 2018, 09:54:40 PM
@hawk

Doctor Trost makes 0 on the sale of each RestoreX.  The Mayo would not allow him to be involved in the sales of this product and still be a doctor, its not ethical.

I understand its easy to be skeptical of things you don't understand fully.  The downward stretch puts a lot of pressure of the scar that is much tighter than my healthy tissue.  Pulling in the opposite direction of your scar vs. straight puts the extra pressure on the damaged tissue...helping it stretch and hopefully providing for a better outcome. 

I'm not sure I would compare rubber bands to my penis tissue and scar. 
Title: Calcification
Post by: Tony52 on December 30, 2018, 11:39:23 PM
Do all peyronies scars become calcified after a long period of time, or do some scars never become calcified even after many years (for example 7 to 10 years)?  Please advise Thank you.
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: TonySa on December 31, 2018, 04:36:26 PM
I sent Dr Trost Hawk’s scenario above (no names) and will update folks if he responds on exactly HOW stretching against the curve should be more effective. 
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: Pfract on December 31, 2018, 11:25:35 PM
Thank you Tony!
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: Alibaba on January 01, 2019, 12:05:46 AM
Hawk, please re-think your modeling impression for a minute. Yes he is stretching but it is different than the rubber band scenerio.  Basically the scarred side is the short side, thus the bend.  The main tension is on that short side. In most instances, no tension will be on the long side until the the short side exceeds the relaxed length of the long side.  Your knot example was good.  Scar tissue is notorious for not stretching so there is every possibility the majority of the stretch is tissue on each side of the scar, not the scar (knot) itself.  Massaging the scar while under tension is common to try to help the scar tissue stretch. Being the cavernosas involved are on the dorsal side, I can see where downward tension might have an effect. An experienced doctor or one with a brain verses the  corner store quack-o-matic may be able to palpate the difference where the tension needs to be applied.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Update at 9 months - RestoreX - Landon Trost Patient
Post by: WhatNext81 on February 10, 2019, 06:07:52 PM
I went through this debate with Hawk's logic a while back and I see he's stuck in his ways.
That's fine. Also, I wouldn't waste the Drs time with questions just to post on a message board. In person, at an appointment, maybe. I was instructed on how to bend with RestoreX as well as hand modeling. Whatever works.