Topic: Androcur or antierection meds for healing minor fracture? (Read 4307 times)

diehardpatriot · « **on:** April 12, 2018, 02:10:08 PM »

I believe I suffered a minor penis fracture 3 weeks ago after hitting my semi erect penis with a rice sock on accident . I felt a sharp sting that wasn’t too painful. I’ve had painful erections since then and a bump that appeared at the site of pain 2 days after injury.. still not any new curvature from the injury. The erections are less painful when I abstain but every time my symptoms get better I’ve masturbated. A terrible cycle that I’ve ended 4 days ago. My dumb self hasn’t let it rest for more than a week. I went to the ER and saw Dr Gelbard in Burbank. Both told me it’s a hematoma and it should resolve, well I don’t believe that because it hasn’t. The bump is bigger in times of pain. It’s sad doctors don’t give a crap and don’t prescribe anything to help you. I believe that if I Don’t get any erections for 1-2 weeks I can heal to a high degree. How outlandish would it be to see my GP and ask for anti erection medication like androcur or as I’ve seen in a medical article ketocanozole? Would she look at me like a nut? Is this a good idea? they give it to people after penile surgeries ? So how can it be so bad to take it after an injury?? They give you a brace when you sprain something. So I see it as the same way

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2018, 08:16:34 PM »

No one has advice for me on this 1?

TonySa · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2018, 08:45:07 PM »

Consult w MD asap if you believe you had a penis fracture of any degree.

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2018, 02:06:07 AM »

tsanchez, I’ve seen two MDs since the injury. One of them being a urologist who is spoken highly of on this forum (dr Gelbard). I had no bruising or swelling, only symptoms are the small small lump and painful wrections since the injury. They don’t operate or do anything unless it’s a severe fracture. Me asking for this medication would jus be me being proactive

Pfract · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2018, 05:22:10 AM »

Dude... i know you are in a state of great confusion... but i already told you the best path for you, the other time we spoke. And not just because am i am here, and read about this. I also fractured my penis with an hematoma and moderate erectile disfunction. Top this with seeing 11 doctors in Portugal, and then emmigrating to Canada, to get money to go see Dr. Goldstein, in California (San diego sexual medicine). He is the #1 doctor in the world that deals with penile fractures. He does it all, including the highly rare "penile revascularization". HE IS THE PERSON YOU SHOULD BE SEEING!

instead..... you waste your time with things that will take you nowhere, and you have, and DON'T WANT TO HAVE, any idea of what you are doing, not to mention you go and hurt yourself again, and you keep GOING AGAIN IN THE SEARCH OF A MAGIC TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT EXIST!

convince yourself of one thing.... please... for your own sake: once you fracture your penis, whether it is only a minor fracture, or a major fracture, you have to be surgically repaired, to seriously increase your chances of regaining proper sexual function, and hopefully not get your penis curved or loose size, or get fibrosis on your penis.

IF you are not surgically repaired..... in other more casual words: if they don't cut your penis open, within 48 hours MAX of the penile fracture happening on the ER, almost no doctor wants to touch you, because that is a "delayed penile fracture repair" and your chances of regaining the sexual function you had are not guaranteed. Also.... once you are not surgically repaired, they tell you to stop all sexual activity, including masturbation, for 6/8 weeks, so the tissue heals back. BUT, you are to expect side effects: gain of curvature, fibrosis, size loss, and others, like lumps, hourglass figure, urethral constriction and/or strictures, all depending on the severity of your fracture. The worse the fracture, the more the complications.

So, convince yourself of one thing....if you were not operated within 48 hours, forget recovering normal sexual function. There is nothing that cures this. The only surgery that might improve is that one done by Dr. Irwin Goldstein, where they bypass the blockage in the penile arteries (but you have to be a candidate, and the exams to see if you qualify are very complicated and thorough) or a Penile implant down the line, depending if erection medication does not work for you.

The faster you understand this, the better for you. I know it sucks.... realizing you will have to deal with a limp penis, but trust me... you do get used to this.. i was 27 and i had 4 sexual partners, and went to 0 in a span of 12 hours, so i can relate.

So... what can you do now? stop all masturbation and quack treatments you are trying to do for 6 weeks and don't touch your penis at all. This medication you are trying to use, they do use it, but on those that are operated and doctors want to make sure their stitches don't break, not on your case. In these 6 weeks, book a consultation for Dr. Goldstein, do an ultrasound there, and you get to know exactly what are your blood flow values and your degree of Erectile Dysfunction, along with a complete vascular report, and you get to watch him do the ultrasound on a big monitor right in front of you, so you can see for yourself the fibrosis,or not, inside your penis.

If you continue down the path you are going..... you might get into a serious depression and further complicate your symptoms and condition. I also recall a member on an Erectile Dysfunction board i go to that killed himself because of this. Do you want to be next? think about and stop this BS right now!

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2018, 12:34:19 PM »

Prfract. Your response is uneducated and biased to your situation . I’m terribly sorry that you have Erectile Dysfunction. But to say everyone that ends up with scar tissue has Erectile Dysfunction is ridiculous . Do you know how many in this site do not have Erectile Dysfunction?. Many. And Idk what is up with your obsession with dr Goldstein. He’s a good doctor , but how can he help me? All he offers is injections. And he’s definitely not the #1 doctor that deals with fractures. That would be Dr Lue. I don’t need an artery bypass, i just need my tunica to heal up. And Frequent erections ( I DONT HAVE Erectile Dysfunction, I HAVE GREAT BLOODFLOW) are blocking my healing. I’ve seen people on other forums who end up fine after minor tunica injuries. Maybe a little scarring but fine. One thing you have said that’s true is me hurting myself masturbating. Since then I have stopped tho . Also , why would I go to Goldstein for an ultrasound that’s gonna hurt me Bc of how long I’ll be erect. I need a way to stop rtecgjons

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #6 on:** April 15, 2018, 12:41:18 PM »

Also. It says you went 9 months with no treatment . I’ve been on pentox since day 1 which has probably helped because I still have no curvature or any consequences from the injury besides pain. I always feel like I’m healing then one day I get too many erections and literally feel tiny tearing sensations then right back to square 1. I do get Erectile Dysfunction when I’m in pain. I assume it’s due to inflammation tho and it does away after it heals for a few days .

Pfract · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2018, 04:50:20 PM »

I don't know if I should laugh or cry with your reply. I think I should make a thorough rebuttal to your post.... Or maybe not. I don't know. I will think about it. I really just wanted to clear my conscience, that I tried to help somebody out, that was clearly lost.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/health/lifeswork-sex-medicine/index.html

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2018, 05:07:51 PM »

Man, what did this dr do for you, for you to ride him into the sunset. Yes, he’s a great doctor and extremely educated on sexual function. Maybe has the most knowledge on sexual function besides any doctor. And he’s an extremely down to earth and caring dudez But. 1) he misdiagnosed a ligament injury I had 3 months ago 2)HE OFFERS injections, that is it and that is all. At this point all he can do for me is give me an ultrasound which many other doctors can do. I appreciate your help. But accept the facts. you said you had hematoma after your fracture, does that mean you had discoloration and bruising ? Or a lump or what. Describe it

TonySa · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2018, 08:52:49 PM »

Are you speaking re Dr Lue? He also does surgery.

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2018, 09:16:42 PM »

Speaking on Goldstein

Pfract · « **Reply #11 on:** April 15, 2018, 09:40:29 PM »

@diehardpatriot: you don't even know exactly what is a penile fracture and it's outcome and recommended treatments, according to both the European urology association, and American urology association... And you should be ashamed for not knowing and posting stuff like this.

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2018, 12:45:42 AM »

A penile fracture is a tunica tear. With possible damage to the corpora if the fracture was severe. Treatment is surgery or “conservative management” which isn’t anything . I’m not gonna argue with you man. We all going thru a struggle here we should all be on the same side

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2018, 04:56:06 PM »

If anyone else can please chime in. I’m about to go to the doc and ask for this so I’d like any input anyone may have

james1947 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2018, 07:33:10 AM »

diehardpatriot

You have asked for help, twice.
Pfract invested time to write you lengthily his opinion
You may accept or not, bu you are wrong (also again the forum rules) to turn the conversation to personal attack.

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Prfract. Your response is uneducated...

You are really not the one that have the capability to say the above!

James

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #15 on:** April 17, 2018, 11:31:12 AM »

James, all he’s telling me is that I don’t want to get better and I don’t want to have an idea of what I’m doing because I’m not taking his advice to go see doctor Goldstein. I don’t want injections at the moment. This post is asking for an opinion on anti erection medication. He’s gone completely off topic.

Pfract · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2018, 02:07:34 PM »

James: thank you for your reply! I've looked up to you a lot 4 years ago when I joined, totally in despair, in a very dark place due to my fracture and the changes that came with it. Nice to see you are still around, and have the patience to deal with stuff like this. Hope you are doing well, by the way!

Diehardpatriot: I told you way more than that, but that's all you choose to see. Again, you have no idea of the crap you are saying. When you want to pay attention, let me know.

JS1991 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 17, 2018, 04:21:29 PM »

diehardpatriot, are you on Cialis? If so, get off immediately, as this is increasing your frequency of erections. Other than that, it is pure willpower involved in abstinence. Men are like semen factories; we literally build up to the point of leaking and need release. We can't help it. This makes it very difficult, but I believe if you try hard, abstaining will help your situation. Imagine a scab trying to heal on your palm. What would happen if you rubbed something up against it in the healing process?

Regarding your issue, I have no experience with penis fracture so I can't be of much help there. All I can say is in my own case, regardless of the issue, I would avoid having a knife go anywhere near my penis unless I know that is what needs to be done. As such, I suggest doing all the research you can. Look into stem cells as well, but if surgery is what is needed, go ahead with it. Get multiple opinions, and keep in mind an ultrasound might be a necessary test. Good luck!

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2018, 10:14:52 PM »

Thanks js for the sound advice . No cialis, just pentox

Pfract · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2018, 12:12:34 AM »

''Oh man, thanks for telling me exactly what I want to hear Js! ''

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2018, 12:10:13 PM »

Prfract, I should go see dr Goldstein instead huh!!! So he can give me revascularizafion surgery because that’s what I need right?!!! Dr Goldstein told me to keep having sex!!! Imagine if I took that advice.....

Pfract · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2018, 02:44:00 PM »

See how you are altering what I said so you have a comeback at me? I did not say that at all. And You may not believe him, but he's the world renowned doctor, not you.

Paolo · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2018, 04:28:32 PM »

Where is this post going to end other than with insults and slighting each others advice, please can some tolerance be shown, c'mon, be the bigger man, not every post demands a response.

Pfract · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2018, 06:36:34 PM »

Insults? I am just talking here, and trying to put some sense into the kid, as long as defending myself. In a courteous manner, in my books. Don't confuse things, please.

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2018, 10:52:14 PM »

Prfract, I’m sorry bro. Honestly. I understand you’re just trying to help. I’m just very frustrated. I misinterpreted what you said, I basically thought you were trying to tell me that I’m going to get Erectile Dysfunction. My bad man. I’m just trying to stay positive throughout this hell. I’m resllt really sorry you turned out with Erectile Dysfunction, and I’m terrified I’ll end up the same way. But all due respect as of right now I need a doctor that can give me a flaccid ultrasound. Inflammation is too much right now and erections are harmful for me as of right now. Anyone know someone that can do flaccid ultrasound? I might just make the 7 hour drive to SF to see Dr Lue. It’s to my understanding Tom Lue is the best Peyronie’s/penile injury expert in the world right? Him, and Levine to my understanding

swiss · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2018, 12:15:07 AM »

Y'all need to chill out. Peyronie's disease like a fingerprint not everyone's situation is the same. For those suffering from this we often need to help ourselves. Diehard is looking to advice not a crucifiction or a rant on how he should get a grip. EVERYONE on this forum is going after different protocols and trying different things. This should not be discouraged or fingerwagged. Has anyone here went on anti erection mess for an early portion of their Peyronies Disease? maybe he's onto something- you ever think of that? Quit discouraging the people who are willing to try new things that can offer a new perspective when doctors fail to help us.

TonySa · « **Reply #26 on:** April 19, 2018, 07:19:17 AM »

As I recall, Dr Lue did a flaccid ultrasound w me to determine peyronies. He’s definitely going to know how to best proceed w the eval, I’d trust whatever tests hebrecommends once you give him your history and concerns. Def worth the drive.

Pfract · « **Reply #27 on:** April 19, 2018, 12:58:25 PM »

swiss: you are absolutely right. People should go the extra mile to get to their end goal, considering how frustrating this disease is. But, i am not okay with reading stuff that are a clear indication that he does not have a good idea of what he is talking about, in what considers erectile dysfunction and penile fractures.

Do you really think it's a good idea to let the kid go around and loose his mind? trying doctor after doctor, in vain? Also... i thought it should be standard knowledge that to properly assess your penile condition, you need to do the test erect, to your maximum capabilities. Flaccid test is good for nothing, to my knowledge and own experience, doing an ultrasound, on California.

And i can back my statement up.

I will take the time to make a proper rebuttal, because i think there were some things said here, which are not right.

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2018, 02:01:20 PM »

I’ve seen many purple on this forum say to never let injections or needle near your dick unless it’s necessaey. And according to many on this forum there is no need for injection to assess plaque and tunica damage. It’s only necessary if you have Erectile Dysfunction, to check the bloodflow. Which greatfully,, I don’t have

james1947 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2018, 09:11:19 AM »

I will chime in to the topic, now that thinks settled down

Don't inject to the penis if not necessary! But many are doing for Erectile Dysfunction (trimix, bimix, etc') and then starting with Peyronies.
To check for plaques, don't need erection! Good doctors will do that without induced erection.
Induced erection, usually achieved by injection, is necessary to check for venous leak that is a main cause for Erectile Dysfunction.
Hope it helps

James

PS: Thank you Pfract, I am doing well, still drinking my cold beer while watching the sunset

swiss · « **Reply #30 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:05:27 AM »

Pfract: Peyronies is both a mental and a physical pain. It helps no one to tell someone that they are losing their minds. In fact, many people go from doctor to doctor until they finally find someone that will listen to them, that will look deeper into an issue. Sometimes our intuition is correct and sometimes we know a little more about what our bodies are telling us than the docs do.

No need for further rebuttles though. I get you bro. But to be honest we are all in this together in a way. We support one another and because there are such minimal options I'm a proponent of people who want to try different methods of attack.

That being said. It makes sense in early stages to go on anti erextions meds to me? We haven't heard of this, but what if our dicks are in the acute phase of this disease for so long due to the nature of how we become erect every night? At least for guys without Erectile Dysfunction? I mean. Why not even entertain this idea? We entertain the idea of random potions and vitamins....why not this?

swiss · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2018, 01:26:29 AM »

Does this only make sense to me? To RIGHT after the injury to rest it for a week, or two or three? Then start physical therapy? It makes sense that we stay in the acute inflammatory period for a long time cause it's constantly being used, like when I sprained my back. They say to rest it for a few days. Why is the advice from doctors- my first Uro to just keep having sex. Levine said I could keep having sex as well I believe. It sort of makes no sense?? Same with boners. That's not resting it.

Thoughts? Anyone? Let's have a discussion on this.

JS1991 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2018, 04:14:40 PM »

swiss, first of all I fully agree and back your critique of pfract.

Secondly, yes, I agree it is good to just rest the penis as you are suggesting. Going as far as an anti-erection medication? Well, I know that it is good to keep the blood flowing; it is a necessity to help heal and prevent damage. The best option for this would be continued nighttime erections along with daily abstinence, as diehardpatriot is having trouble abstaining from sexual activity while awake at the moment. If he really has trouble abstaining, then yes, I'd say it wouldn't be far fetched to go on an anti-erection medication briefly to assist in healing.

james1947 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2018, 07:42:14 PM »

From Swiss:

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It makes sense in early stages to go on anti erextions meds to me?

Yes it make sense in my opinion, especially if you are in pain. The problem is that I don't know any anti-erection med that will not cause Erectile Dysfunction after taking it.

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Sometimes our intuition is correct and sometimes we know a little more about what our bodies are telling us than the docs do

Agree 100%. Very difficult to find a doctor that is knowledgeable and compassionate.

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We support one another and because there are such minimal options

Agree, this why we are here.

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I'm a proponent of people who want to try different methods of attack.

Not always. Because we are desperate to get back to the before Peyronies situation, we are trying sometimes things that are very dangerous for our dick and general health. I tried in desperation a few things that luckily didn't make me to lose my dick or some major health problem.
So I am for members to say what thy think about this or that subject.
By the end, everyone should do what he thinks is best for him as it is his dick and his health.

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Peyronies is both a mental and a physical pain

Strongly support this sentence, form personal experience and from reading all the posts on this forum, from 2006.

James

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:27:22 AM »

Js1991: you said “The best option for this would be continued nighttime erections along with daily abstinence,”
I 100 percent agree. The issue is I pop boners LIKE CRAZY on a daily basis. That’s always how I’ve been. I guess it’s a good problem to have, just not right now. Especially combined with abstinence. I have a VERY high sex drive, I’m only 18. I have been leaking pre cum so much recently due to abstinence. And keep in mind it’s only been short lived (no longer than 7 days) at a time. I’m very easily aroused as well. The most recent time i felt the tearing pain was yesterday, NAPPING with my gf... this has really had a terrible impact on my life.

James:
You said “I do not know any anti erection med that will not cause Erectile Dysfunction after taking it”.
Almost everyone who gets surgery with Fank Kuehhas (idk if I spelled that right, but the guy who does the STAGE and Edgydio technique) is prescribed Andelcur after surgery. No one has ended up with Erectile Dysfunction after taking it. And about the desperation thing, I agree. But all of what I say has been backed by reasoning and hours of research. I’m very knowledgeable about Peyronie’s and penis anatomy.

JS1991 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2018, 05:15:36 PM »

First of all, I'm glad your GF is still with you, she's a good woman. Secondly, I have the same issue my friend! Between our age (I'm 26) and the Cialis it is VERY hard not to get erections all day long. And as you noted, around the one week mark we literally start leaking semen. NeoV suggested that the best option in our case might be to limit sexual activity to ONCE per week (not multiple times one day a week). Perhaps since you can't get a hold of antierection medication and have a hard time abstaining, as well as a GF, it might not be a bad idea to try that once a week limit. Maybe once every two weeks if you can do it. And when you do finally ejaculate, try not to inflict more damage on your penis than necessary to get to that point (don't be rough).

There's my two cents. Keep us updated and good luck!

james1947 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2018, 03:29:59 AM »

Diehardpatriot

I am very happy we have have on the forum such a knowledgeable Peyronies expert as you

Just 18, I suppose at 70 you will be the no 1 Peyronies expert in the world

James

diehardpatriot · « **Reply #37 on:** April 28, 2018, 12:53:22 PM »

Js1991: I can’t even do once a week man. If I do I feel a tear sensation and all progress is gone. I have no reason to believe I can’t heal (with some scsrring but I’ll deal w it later) but I need probably at least 3 weeks of no ejaculation. I really have felt like a sex addict and i feel the weakest I ever have in my life. Something is an addiction once it causes you harm and you still can’t stop. And at this poin that’s how I am with masturbation... it’s awful. I feel ball and chained to my own bodily and mental desires. However, I WILL overcome this.

JS1991 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2018, 03:49:01 PM »

Good, I'm glad your determined to overcome it. In your case if you really feel as though it can heal in three weeks of abstinence, well... consider these next three weeks a battle for the future of your sex life. You got this!

Pfract · « **Reply #39 on:** April 28, 2018, 06:29:19 PM »

@James: LOL that was funny

''backed by hours of research'' oh boy... If with hours of research you don't know the basics, I don't know what else to say :-$ good luck diehardpatriot. Time goes on, and will be around.

james1947 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 29, 2018, 03:02:13 AM »

It is a good think to be positive Diehardpatriot. Not just regarding Peyronies

I wish all of us were positive, it helps dealing with this disease.
I wish you successful outcome, please keep us update.

James

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