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VED’s - choices, models & quality
« on: October 27, 2009, 06:40:23 AM »

I'm new here and have seen your VED highlight post about soma and esteem.
1)As of today, what's the best ved for a combination of Erectile Dysfunction and peyronies?

2)Does esteem only come one cylinder or can i get 3 cylinders for it?

3)Even though the post recommended esteem for ppl like me with both Erectile Dysfunction and peyronies, I can't decide on which to buy because the 3 cylinder soma seems to be more "researched"/effective in that it has a 26-week protocol...help!

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 08:59:59 AM »

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Welcome to the forum and sorry to hear that you are having men's problems. There are two schools of thought about which VED to purchase. I have three different models of VEDs 1. the old Osbon Classic, 2. the Osbon Esteem, and 3. the newer Somaerect three cylinder manual model.
I did the greater portion of my Peyronies Disease therappy with the Esteem manual model, but finished it up with the Somaerect which has not been replaced by the SomaSTF unit. However the company makes an over the counter model now that works equally well at a cheaper price.

IMHO, the newer over the counter three cylinder model made by Augusta Medical Systems is the better unit now on the market. It is of medical quality, has three cylinders that can be successfully used for Erectile Dysfunction as well as Peyronies Disease. It also does not require a prescription to purchase. The VED is the Vitality Plus three cylinder OTC unit. It is available on line or by phone order from this source:   www.fitzz.com  The company will give you a discount if you mention the promo code word TEAM when placing your order.

You are right that using the three cylinder VED has the 26 week protocol that is posted in the VED board section of this forum. It has produced great result for myself and others. You can read our history of VED usage in the VED topics of that board.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 05:01:59 PM »

please be advised that you can get this unit much cheaper at other sites other than www.fitzz.com

I bought it from that site with the coupon code only to realize afterwards that I didn't need to spend that much money.  I think the only advantage of the fitzz site is that they give you a warranty.  Just do a google search though for other sites.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 09:06:38 PM »

bummedout:

Yes, these VEDs are available from other sources. However, you have to buy a basic package and then add the two other cylinders based on what size(s) you would need or want. Overall, the cost may or may not be better, so guys, do your homework with the pricing before ordering from other sources.

The Fitzz company stocks the basic package, then repacks theirs with the two added cylinders based on the sizes of the Somaerect higher priced prescription VED. This makes up the three cylinder VED package as shown on their web site.

Again guys, check out all the details prior to ordering so that you do get the three cylinder VED unless you want to go with a one cylinder VED.
I do not recommend using a one cylinder VED since it does not lend itself toward using the 26 week protocol. This protocol has been tested by the mfr. of the Augusta VEDs and is their suggested usage exercise therapy.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 02:45:43 AM »

Hi,

I'm new to the peyronie's "experience" (started 7/09), and I thank those who have reached out and offered advice and kind words of encouragement.

The VED therapy has been recommended wholeheartedly by many, and I was told to refer questions I may have on getting started with it to the resident expert, Old Man.   :-)

I've been reading up on it here and it is apparent that for the best results I should go with the 3 cylinder VED system.  I was looking at one that seems affordable ($199), the Soma Erect STF.
Would this be a good one?  Would the lack of a gauge be a problem?  Or is it okay as long as one is very careful not to go beyond what feels reasonable in pumping it up?

Any recommendations and thoughts in getting started with this important step towards (oh please please please please) any recovery would be very much appreciated.  
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 07:59:21 AM »

sunsetonfire:

If you would send me a private message with the link to the Soma Erect STF. I have not found a source for that one at the price you quoted. Also, need to look at what is included in the package before giving my 2 cents on it.
The three cylinder models are considered to be the best overal unit for VED therapy using the 26 week protocol.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 02:29:32 PM »

sunsetsonfire,

I have the vitality 3-cylinder model, and it is a manual pump without a gauge.  

I've been using the model for about six months and I do NOT believe a gauge would have been useful.

Also, I've made a few marks on the outside of the largest cylinder with a black sharpie that resemble a "ruler."  

The 3-cylinder system takes a bit of practice and my penis reacts a little different in each cylinder (I believe this is due to the amount of negative pressure that is being applied to the penis; i.e., less pressure with the small, A cylinder versus more with the middle size, B cylinder, and even more with the largest, C cylinder).  

I take it very slow in engorging my penis to its largest size.  

For me, the A cylinder is actually smaller in circumference than my erect girth.  So, I use the A cylinder carefully.  The B cylinder is still a bit too small, but I get a good lengthwise stretch with that one.  Finally, the C cylinder is bigger than my erect penis.  

With the C cylinder, I'm particularly careful with pumping because negative pressure is being applied all over my penis.  It took many sessions with the C cylinder to get accustomed to that particular cylinder.

I developed sort of a love/hate relationship with each particular cylinder; but, with daily usage over a period of time, I'm pretty comfortable with all the cylinders.  I remember I would have some discomfort for a day or two when I started the VED...I would wonder why my penis ached somewhat...but, I believe it was due to my new VED usage.   Now, I generally never feel any discomfort after VED usage (immediately or the next day).  

That being said, I'm getting the impression some real improvement can take place in the larger, C cylinder.  And, a majority of the C cylinder usage is towards and at the end of the 26 week protocol.  Since everyone's penis is different, this may not be the case with anyone else.

I think the more narrow tubes can really help with some significant curves.  The largest, C cylinder however, really "pulls out" the penis in every direction, from an outside force; which effects the penis differently than a "natural" erection (inside pressure, as opposed to the VED's outside pressure).

Anyway, this will make more sense if you get this model.

At the six month mark, it looks like my upward bend of about 20-25 degees has been mostly eliminated.  But, I still have a dent; however, when I'm fully erect it is not too noticeable.  Erections (including nocturnal - almost every night unless I don't get enough sleep) are much more frequent and occur without manual stimulation.  

On a side note, I reduced my Viagra consumption from 25mg daily (right before going to sleep) to 25mg every other day.  This has not affected the quantity or quality of my erections (which have been very good lately).  

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 01:26:38 AM »

cowboy food - i find the b cylinder works best for me - the a one can be a bit tight fitting - also are you saying that the VED has eliminated the 25-30 degree curve??
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 07:15:55 AM »

As all I have is indentation, no real curve, I am tempted to skip the A cylinder altogether, as it was an effort and a huge squeeze getting my flaccid penis in there. Cannot think that kind of pressure erect can be healthy.

I concur with CBF that a gauge is really not needed. The most vital part of the pump is the quick release button.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 07:59:13 AM »

Note to all VED using the 26 week protocol:

Have read with interest several posts regarding skipping using the small A cylinder with the protocol. Most complaints or comments are regarding the "tight" fitting into the cylinder. I must remind all that this protocol has been tested by the manufacturer of the three cylinder unit and came up with the protocol based on their testing. (No, I do not have access to their studies and it has not been published as far as I know. Only have been told by the company of the results. So, I cannot prove either way pro or con!) Unless a person's dimensions simply are so large they cannot fit into the cylinder, I highly recommend using the A cylinder. In those larger cases, there are larger cylinders available to replace the A, etc. so check that out also.

The small cylinder, while it may be tight fitting, is designed for the purpose of simply remolding the shape of the shaft. Users must try their best to use this cylinder in following the protocol since it is the first stage of VED therapy. My experience and that of guys that I have worked with locally in person have given me much insight in what can happen with proper use of the protocol. Most of them have the same objections to the tight fit of the A small cylinder for the reasons given by guys on the forum. Most report good results of their efforts. Not all have seen the best results, but did see improvement in their penile health.

However, by coaxing them to use the A cylinder, they find that their symptoms are more easily handled when getting into the B and C cylinders of the protocol schedule. So, I want to encourage all users of the three cylinder VED models to try their best to use the A cylinder where all possible.

Caution note: Please, by all means, use plenty of lubricant with the A cylinder and it works better to apply vacuum to help pull the shaft into the mouth of the cylinder. Again though, do not overpump the vacuum pressure at any time while using the VED therapy. Will field any and questions on an individual basis for those having difficulty using the small cylinder.

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 10:32:39 AM »

   I agree with Old Man that every effort should be made to use the small cylinder and his explanation of its benefits. I do want to add that the process can be made MUCH more comfortable by using an inexpensive bottle brush to coat the ENTIRE inside of the cylinder its full length. Even an old toothbrush or similar could be used. Put a good amount of lube inside the cylinder and use the brush to push the lube up into the cylinder and ensure that the entire inner surface is lubed. This will allow your expansion in the tube without skin hanging up on un-lubed cylinder surface. It does not take much negative pressure to get an erection in a fully lubed small tube. Please try this as it makes the small tube experience MUCH more comfortable and acceptable.
  Vacuum gauges are not necessary. I have them on my VED's and they provide interesting numbers as to how much vacuum is usually required for erections, but I could have easily gone without them for the therapy.
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 01:30:38 PM »

I assume, then, that the smaller and tighter "A" small cylinder is beneficial for coaxing out indentations and hourglassing since it holds the "normal" tissue against the walls of the cylinder while the negative pressure can focus on the indented areas. Would that be a correct assumption?

Indentation/hourglassing is my main problem (besides pain), while curvature is not. Has anyone here experienced any improvements to indentation after using this protocol? I get the impression from the forums that indentations and hourglassing problems are in the minority compared to curvature. Just wondering. Thanks Angus and Old Man for the information.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 03:59:26 PM »

also are you saying that the VED has eliminated the 25-30 degree curve??

Iceman,

I think so.

I never "measured" my upward bend, but I took photos.  So, I've always been "guessing" what the initial degree of bend was...now when I look at my erect penis and w/ photos, it looks like the bend is much less, if any at all.  I don't think anyone else looking at it would notice any type of upward bend at all.

My dent goes across the top part of my penis, about an inch below the glans.  I've never noticed or felt any type of indentation or plaque on the bottom side.  The uro's palpable test a couple of weeks ago noticed some scar tissue where my dent is located.

After having just completed my first 26-week protocol, I'm not surprised that the VED can remold a penis.  I think Old Man is "right on" about the effectiveness of the A and B cylinder.   When I use the A cylinder, my goal is just to be careful and not be concerned about getting a super long stretch....At first, I always wanted my stretches to be as long as my natural erection, but the A tube restricts my penis too much.  So, I just stretch until it stops engorging.  

With the B and C cylinders, The VED stretches my penis lengthwise to its natural erect length; and, the C cylinder stretches my penis to its both its natural erect length and girth.

I agree with you about the B cylinder...I feel the most comfortable with that one; but, I think I'm starting to like the C cylinder as much now...but, I really take it slow with the C because its pulling on the entire penis at all times from what I can tell.

That being said, it took me several weeks of practice to start getting my cycles down "somewhat" correctly.  From that point, I gradually became better at using the VED.  Now, as I start a second 26-week protocol, I believe this second "go round" will be even more effective than my first.

My initial "goal" was to prevent any worsening....I accomplished that and more...the bend is smaller, if I have any bend at all.  My goal the second time is to at least keep the status quo.  Also, I can't report any size loss as of today.  Basically, the same length and girth.


But, I also think the VED has really help with the quality of my erections, so I want to continue on for that reason too.  

I can't thank every board contributor to this forum enough for giving me the opportunity to jump on the VED, pentox, viagra, and other supplements early on....I've had the condition (as far as I can tell) for almost eleven months, but I've been using the above treatment for almost 7 of the 11 months

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 04:18:51 PM »


Indentation/hourglassing is my main problem (besides pain), while curvature is not. Has anyone here experienced any improvements to indentation after using this protocol? I get the impression from the forums that indentations and hourglassing problems are in the minority compared to curvature. Just wondering. Thanks Angus and Old Man for the information.

-Skjald

I'm the same as you..but I did have the upward bend that seems to have been eliminated.

Part of my dent seems to be "loosening" up a bit.   Old Man and Angus have encouraged me not to "worry" about the dent much, or at all.

I think of my VED usage as more a defense than an offense, because the initial upward bend did not bother, except for the fact that it was a symptom of Peyronies Disease...but, physically, it didn't look unnatural.  So, my goal has always been to stop deformity progression, and take any improvement.

Although the bend didn't physically bother me (mentally, it really, really, really caused me depression I had to battle out of), it is very encouraging to see it reduced, if not eliminated.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 05:31:10 PM »

I assume, then, that the smaller and tighter "A" small cylinder is beneficial for coaxing out indentations and hourglassing since it holds the "normal" tissue against the walls of the cylinder while the negative pressure can focus on the indented areas. Would that be a correct assumption?

Indentation/hourglassing is my main problem (besides pain), while curvature is not. Has anyone here experienced any improvements to indentation after using this protocol?
-Skjald

    There was a discussion a couple of years ago in the VED thread (forum old format) about dents, indentations and the effectiveness of the VED on them. Personally I have the curve resolution/ reduction but the indentation remains. For me the VED did not resolve or "pull out" the dent. Some members discussed the physics of vacuum, the side walls of the VED and how these forces may act on a dent. Some ideas and theories were tossed about but no conclusions were drawn and the discussion on the subject trailed off. I can't remember anyone on the forum reporting a resolution of the dent in the years I've been on the forum, so right now there are no fixes for dents (that I know of). One member described a peyronies dent as being similar to sticking a short piece of strong tape to a balloon then trying to blow the balloon up. All of the balloon would inflate except for the taped area and there would be a dent there. The scar on the corpus is much like the tape on the balloon... that area just isn't going to "inflate". In the end, I believe a lot of us with VED success stories are so absolutely thrilled with the curve reduction that we can accept the remaining dent as an artifact to be lived with. It really causes me no problems like hinging and so forth and I've essentially forgotten the dent is there for the most part.
    I do not know what it would take to try and "fix" a dent. I'm not deep in to physics. I would welcome someone strong in physics to come along and discuss this with one or two of our members that are strong in the medical field to kick around non-surgical physical therapy for dents. Greater things have come from less!
   
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 06:03:06 PM »

Thanks to those who replied to my post.  Now I know more than ever that the 3 cylinder VED 26-week protocol represents my best chance to work on exercising the penis for blood flow, stretching to regain lost length and molding to tame the curvature.

As you requested, Old Man, I sent the link for the Soma Erect STF that I found at a site for $199.95.  The site "seems" legit and I found it by doing a google search for "3 cylinder VED" and it came up as Soma Erect STF/VED Systems.

And good luck to all the other folks here going through the same thing. 
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 08:12:38 PM »

I looked at the googled the VED you referred to on your first post.

It is a prescription VED and the $199 is after Medicare payment. You would have to get a prescription from your doctor and be on medicare to get it for that price.

I highly recommend the VED it helped me for the 2 years + before I could have my implant. Because I followed Old Man's advice I had a better than expected outcome.

The results are not instant it takes some time to see results just follow Old Man's advice.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 01:18:45 AM »

Thanks for checking that, jackp.  I didn't catch the Medicare part (being 50 I wouldn't qualify).  But I did find the system that cowboyfood mentions below, the Vitality Plus 3 Cylinder for $249, which isn't "too" bad in price.  Does that price sound about reasonable for a 3 cylinder system?  It's over at Fitzz and seems like it has everything I would need to get started.

I guess some people have put their own system together for less cost and show links to where the pieces can be purchased (though I wouldn't know what 3 diameter cylinders to choose).  I suppose I could do that, too.  But the main thing for me is I want to make sure I do everything right.  I don't want to try to save fifty bucks or so and end up putting together something that doesn't work right.

It's great how helpful everyone is.  This site was a Godsend.
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2009, 04:33:44 AM »

I and quite a few others bought from Fitzz. It is probably the best price you can find for the 3 cylinder, without a prescription. Also courtesy of OldMan, if you enter the word "TEAM" as a coupon for your order, you get 5-10% off. Can't remember which.

They are not the most reliable company though, lots of delays with shipping. I suggest that if you do order from them, send an email to [email protected] a few days later and ask him to check that your order has been processed. Otherwise there may be big delays on shipping your order.
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2009, 09:20:09 AM »

I never bought from Fitzz because I already had a Rx single cylinder VED. Old Man put me on a routine that worked.

If I had to do it today I would go with the Fitzz. Follow Old Man's advice and you will have good results.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 10:25:54 AM »

Thanks for checking that, jackp.  I didn't catch the Medicare part (being 50 I wouldn't qualify).  But I did find the system that cowboyfood mentions below, the Vitality Plus 3 Cylinder for $249, which isn't "too" bad in price.  Does that price sound about reasonable for a 3 cylinder system?  It's over at Fitzz and seems like it has everything I would need to get started.



Recognizing that I'm treating my condition with more than the VED (pentox, viagra, supplements too), IMO, the medical quality VED I purchased is by far the most cost effective treatment I am using.  I think I paid about $220 for the VED, and I've been using it for a little over six months...that's roughly about $1.50 per day;  And, as time goes by, it gets even more cost effective. Soon, it will be more cost effective than the Pentox.

Anyway, my erections have been excellent the last several months.  Night time erections are a constant.  I can't remember a time since they were so frequent.

It may be the case that the VED is a great treatment for Erectile Dysfunction...I believe many promote its use for Erectile Dysfunction, although I have no empirical evidence that this is the case (it may exist, I just don't have it).  Plus, it seems like a great preventative treatment for cases of minor deformity or Erectile Dysfunction.


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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 11:45:35 AM »

Can anyone tell me where to purchase a soma correct ved. Seems when I google it, it really doesn't direct me to a sight that sell them.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 12:27:33 PM »

danh,

I, and several others, purchased the Vitality Plus three cylinder model from this website:
http://www.fitzz.com/Vitality-Plus-Three-Cylinder-Vacuum-Therapy-System--Recommended-for-Peyronies-Therapy_p_1983.html

if you put the word "team" in the discount code portion, the price comes down to about $220.  I suggest not ordering the lubrication from them, however.  You can pick up the water-soluble lubrication from most national name drug stores. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 01:24:26 PM »

danh:

The SomaCorrect VED is no longer available as such. You might find one at a source that still has some in stock. The Augusta Medical Systems took this VED off the market some time ago.

Take Cowboyfood's suggestion and get the Vitality Plus three cylinder manual model he states in his previous posting.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 03:52:49 PM »

Old Man,

Do you know why Augusta Medical Systems took the soma off the market, I'm just curious?

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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2009, 05:30:40 PM »

CBK:

Yeah I do, they took it off the market since the FDA stated they had not met the requirements of their rules. The rules stated that clinical studies were required to support the claim(s) that the device was a viable treatment for Peyronies Disease. Augusta apparently did not want to spend the money to conduct the trials. (Birmingham Urology was supposed to submit the results of the study they did with the three cylinder VED, but to date nobody seems to know if a report was made and if so, it was never published to my knowledge.)

The Augusta company modified that VED somewhat, and now market it as the Soma STF. STF means sized to fit and has three cylinders, but it is costly. It can be used for Peyronies Disease therapy, and for Erectile Dysfunction. The Vitality Plus three cylinder that the Fitzz company sells is a packaged VED unit made from the Vitality single cylinder VED with the A and B cylinders added to the basic package. I believe that only Fitzz sells the Plus model with three cylinders. The cylinders can be purchased separately I think.

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2009, 04:19:45 AM »

Hi All

My urologist recommended I try VED in treatment of my peyronies and some folks here have recommended it as well. My uro sent me to the agusta site where I found a VED device with 3 cylinders for 200$ ($400 if my insurance refuses it, as they are so fond of doing). That seems like alot of money and alot of cylinders. Do you actually need the 3 cylinders for some reason (I noticed alot of the protocols here recommend them)?  I found some VED devices of non medical grade that are quite a bit cheaper -- it seems like it should be the same thing really since all that is required is to make a vacuum in a glass tube. Is medical grade strongly recommended? I am a bit short on funds at the moments but I can figure something out if a medical grade one is highly recommended.

Thanks to every one for all the good help I have gotten on this site and Merry Christmas

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Re: Looking for VED recomendation -- do you need medical grade quality
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2009, 08:49:18 AM »


That seems like alot of money and alot of cylinders. Do you actually need the 3 cylinders for some reason (I noticed alot of the protocols here recommend them)?


W,

Per the second issue you raised, multiple cylinders, I believe you answered your own question.

Per the price issue, I too recognize that price is an interest when considering any treatment.  But, (assuming) it is not your only interest.  You probably want to fix your penis.  Since the VED is a long term treatment and requires the purchase of only 1 VED, try looking at the one time cost of a quality VED over time.  If you use the VED for two protocols, the price of the VED equipment is equal to about 65 cents a day.  

And as usual, consider whether a "lower" quality product is actually "cheaper" than a higher quality device when you consider the VED protocol requires daily usage because the less expensive pump may not be as durable and cause you to replace it.  

Another concern with physical therapy is to not damage your penis.  Consider whether your use of a "cheaper" device could further worsen your condition.

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Re: Looking for VED recomendation -- do you need medical grade quality
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2009, 12:45:58 PM »

wf:

Sorry that you have joined our ranks of the Peyronies Disease family. The VED of choice for a goodly number of us on this forum is the three cylinder manual model. The Augusta Medical Systems make several three cylinder models and are usually higher priced than other sources.

Right now the best medical quality VED is available from the Fitzz Health Products company. They sell the Vitality Plus three cylinder manual model VED which is a VED package they put together from a basic Vitality one cylinder manual model by adding two cylinders to the package. The Augusta company sell the Soma STF three cylinder manual model which is priced around $500.00.

Since funds are of a concern for you, suggest that you opt for the Vitality Plus three cylinder manual model from the Fitzz company. Go to this website to check it out:   www.fitzz.com  Look for this model which is priced at $329.00, but if you place an order for it, you should mention the promotion code word of PFORUM which will give you a $75.00 discount through the end of December. On January 2010, the discount comes down to $50.00 with the promotion code word.

So, if you elect for the VED therapy, you should view the above web site, decide if you want to purchase the recommended VED and order before the end of the year to save the extra $25.00.

If you need any further help with making a decision on purchasing a VED, just let me know.

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2009, 02:51:35 AM »

Hi Old Man and Cowboyfood

Thank you much for the feedback.

The fittz model sounds like a much better deal than the agusta equivalent.

I found some ved models in an adult store web site for about 60-70$, single cylinder with a pressure gauge and I was wondering what the benefits are for getting a more expensive medical grade one -- for instance: is it that the medical grade ones last long (are less prone to break down), do they hold a vacuum better or are they easier to operate perhaps?

It seems like any vacuum should do the same trick as any other vacuum.

I am also thinking it is probably best to get one with a pressure gauge to ensure that I don't over do it.

Merry Christmas and thanks again for the for the info.

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wf:

Sorry that you have joined our ranks of the Peyronies Disease family. The VED of choice for a goodly number of us on this forum is the three cylinder manual model. The Augusta Medical Systems make several three cylinder models and are usually higher priced than other sources.

Right now the best medical quality VED is available from the Fitzz Health Products company. They sell the Vitality Plus three cylinder manual model VED which is a VED package they put together from a basic Vitality one cylinder manual model by adding two cylinders to the package. The Augusta company sell the Soma STF three cylinder manual model which is priced around $500.00.

Since funds are of a concern for you, suggest that you opt for the Vitality Plus three cylinder manual model from the Fitzz company. Go to this website to check it out:   www.fitzz.com  Look for this model which is priced at $329.00, but if you place an order for it, you should mention the promotion code word of PFORUM which will give you a $75.00 discount through the end of December. On January 2010, the discount comes down to $50.00 with the promotion code word.

So, if you elect for the VED therapy, you should view the above web site, decide if you want to purchase the recommended VED and order before the end of the year to save the extra $25.00.

If you need any further help with making a decision on purchasing a VED, just let me know.

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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2009, 11:15:05 AM »

W:

Yes, the Fitzz Vitality Plus three cylinder VED is basically the same model as the Augusta one, but at a much better price. The sex toy VED models just will not hold up very well due to amount of usage you need for VED therapy. In the long run, it just is not the better way to go with a VED therapy. My experience has taught me that buying a better grade of merchandise usually pays off in the long run.

You really don't need a vacuum gauge on your VED. The best pressure gauge is your penis. It will let you know when you have reached a comfortable level of vacuum pressure. If you experience any pain or discomfort when pumping vacuum with the VED, it indicates that you have overpumped the pressure or some other problem has occurred. Caution is the watchword in vacuum pressure when using a VED.

Suggest that you read as many posts in the VED board that you can to get a better overall picture of the whys and wherefores of VED therapy. There is a wealth of information in those posts that will teach just about you need to know when deciding to the VED therapy. In addition, if you have further questions, just let it be known and help is always available to you.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 08:26:19 PM »

cowboyfood:

For how long each day did you use the VED? It is encouraging to read that after 6months it seems you were able to get rid of your curve.

Also i was wondering more generally, for people who say they have had curve reduction, how long each day did you need to use the VED for? I am also wondering in terms of applying the lubrication, getting the device ready etc. how much time that would consume ?   Just trying to get an idea of the time requirements involved.  Thanks.




also are you saying that the VED has eliminated the 25-30 degree curve??

Iceman,

I think so.

I never "measured" my upward bend, but I took photos.  So, I've always been "guessing" what the initial degree of bend was...now when I look at my erect penis and w/ photos, it looks like the bend is much less, if any at all.  I don't think anyone else looking at it would notice any type of upward bend at all.

My dent goes across the top part of my penis, about an inch below the glans.  I've never noticed or felt any type of indentation or plaque on the bottom side.  The uro's palpable test a couple of weeks ago noticed some scar tissue where my dent is located.

After having just completed my first 26-week protocol, I'm not surprised that the VED can remold a penis.  I think Old Man is "right on" about the effectiveness of the A and B cylinder.   When I use the A cylinder, my goal is just to be careful and not be concerned about getting a super long stretch....At first, I always wanted my stretches to be as long as my natural erection, but the A tube restricts my penis too much.  So, I just stretch until it stops engorging.  

With the B and C cylinders, The VED stretches my penis lengthwise to its natural erect length; and, the C cylinder stretches my penis to its both its natural erect length and girth.

I agree with you about the B cylinder...I feel the most comfortable with that one; but, I think I'm starting to like the C cylinder as much now...but, I really take it slow with the C because its pulling on the entire penis at all times from what I can tell.

That being said, it took me several weeks of practice to start getting my cycles down "somewhat" correctly.  From that point, I gradually became better at using the VED.  Now, as I start a second 26-week protocol, I believe this second "go round" will be even more effective than my first.

My initial "goal" was to prevent any worsening....I accomplished that and more...the bend is smaller, if I have any bend at all.  My goal the second time is to at least keep the status quo.  Also, I can't report any size loss as of today.  Basically, the same length and girth.


But, I also think the VED has really help with the quality of my erections, so I want to continue on for that reason too.  

I can't thank every board contributor to this forum enough for giving me the opportunity to jump on the VED, pentox, viagra, and other supplements early on....I've had the condition (as far as I can tell) for almost eleven months, but I've been using the above treatment for almost 7 of the 11 months

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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2010, 02:00:00 AM »

Wayne...

My upward bend was not that significant relative to others, maybe 25 degrees.  In fact, it looked natural.  I have an indentation that is noticeable when I'm partially erect and less so when I'm fully erect.

Since I started aggressively treating my condition early (within 3 months of noticing the upward bend and dent) I'm curious as to whether progression would have been significant if I had not started my treatments last April.

Per the VED, I follow the protocol.  I hold a cycle for about 10 seconds.  Initially, I would hold for much longer, but I decided to follow the protocol to the letter which calls for holding the pressure for 5 to 10 seconds.

So, a VED session maybe lasts 20 to 30 minutes.

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2010, 02:12:32 PM »

Thank you for this post - I did not realize Augusta took the Soma Correct off the market.  I bought one several years ago in the hopes it would help my Peyronies Disease, but I noticed no significant results.  I've also had to replace the main cylinder three times because of cracking around the top, so I haven't been overly impressed with the quality of the product.  The cost for a replacement cylinder is quite high.

At the time I got my Soma Correct, my insurance (I believe I had Blue Cross at the time) paid for 50% of it which surprised me.  My doctor did have to provide some sort of referral, and the Augusta company took care of that with him directly which was nice.

On the plus side, I did notice that after using the Soma Correct for awhile, my penis appeared "thicker"and longer  when non-erect.  I'm one of those "grower not a shower" types big time.  When my penis is non-erect, it looks like a child's.  When I'm erect, I'm about 7" in size.  After using the Soma Correct, my penis actually "hung" when I was non-erect.  That was about the only positive I had from the experience -- and it wasn't a difficult process.  Often times I would use the device while watching TV or sitting out on my deck (shielded by very high redwood trees - the only show I was putting on was for the birds. 
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2010, 04:06:32 PM »

centerre:

Look up the 800 number for the Fitzz company that furnishes the cylinders for the Vitality three cylinder VEDs. Ask for Mark, the president, and ask him if he can get you the cylinders at a cheaper price than Augusta.

As far as I know, the cylinders are the same in size and connections. Browse through the VED board section to locate the link to the Vitality Plus OTC VED link that gives the forum members a discounted price. You will find extra cylinders listed there also.

The web site for Fitzz is:   www.fitzz.com

Let me now if I can help further.

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BTW: Why don't you get back on the 26 week protocol and use the milking action with the regular daily schedule listed for each week there?
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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2010, 02:35:02 AM »

Old Man,

I just saw your reply post to my original question.  It sounds like Augusta simply changed the name of the VED and modified it slightly?  If it didnt meet the FDA regulations couldn't of they just kept the same name and NOT stated it helped with peyronies?

By the way, perhaps we should send Augusta Medical Systems a copy of our letter for our mass mailing project.  Do you know if they have a link to our site on their webpage if they have one?  If you give me their forwarding address I can have a copy of our letter sent out in the next batch I mail this weekend.

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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2010, 08:06:54 AM »

CBK:

I can only speculate about why the change in name was made. It appears that when an item is submitted to the FDA for approval and it is turned down, the item is considered "dead". However, I suspect that the company wanted to divest themselves of the name just for advertising purposes. The item probably remained the same, but they changed the name to Soma STF which means size to fit for the three cylinders, etc.

You might want to address your questions to them at their web address: www.augustams.com

They have an 800 number and you might want to call them and ask for their tech who handles their marketing and advertising. In the past I had a personal contact name there, but he left the company and I have not established one since.

I see no problem with sending them one of the letters and ask them to post a link to our forum if they do not already. Have not checked to see if we have a link or not. Their company covers a huge sector in the men's health area so it would give the forum great coverage if they would, etc.

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« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2010, 07:22:16 AM »

Do you know about it ? It's a new device that use water instead of air.

difference with air pump :
water is not compressible like air and reported to be safer.
it does not traps blood but constantly appeal fresh one so you don't have to release pressure and pump again
the seal is made directly in the scrotal area and pump the inner penis.
use it is much more simple than air device, after two or three pumping here we are.
the after effect of pumping is different than air pump, no bruising, less fluid build up, more spongy.


It's not an overpriced device (90 €) and can be used in addition to air VED if you respect carefully the rest period from pumping. One session of bathmate lasts 20 minutes. It does not come yet with 3 cylinders, there is the hercule and goliath model (medium and large).

I can give you links with testimonial on it.
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2010, 12:49:59 PM »

My Soma Correct finally broke a couple weeks ago -- when i started pumping the arm cracked right off inside the device -- when I shake it I can hear a piece of something rattling around.  I got a hold of Augusta medical (had not read the post from Old Man re: the other company at that point) and they are doing an insurance reimbursement check for me.  I have a different insurance now and it's been a little over 5 years since I got the Soma Correct device.  They've been trying to get a hold of me but because of the time change (I'm in California, they are in Georgia and I work nights) they keep missing me.  If CIGNA will pay half or 80%, I'll probably just get it through them again.  The one thing I do like about Augusta is how they take care of verifying all the insurance info and contacting the dr. and faxing him what he needs if a script is needed. 

I went to a urologist who basically told me the only way to fix Peyroines is surgery.  he poo poo'd all medications, topical creams, and I didn't even get into it with him about pumps because i already knew what he'd say.  He was telling me about the surgery.  He says my case warrants it and says it's "extreme".  I wouldn't have thought so - at least not compared to the pictures I've seen of other guy's peyronies.  He said the surgery is very long, lasting over three hours.  I don't know what to do.  I still feel there has to be another way of fixing things without surgery.  For heaven's sake, they can put a man on the moon, and they can't figure out a way to get rid of scar tissue in a penis? 
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2010, 06:07:34 PM »


   I hope you get taken care of by Soma and your insurance and get the VED replaced.
How often did you use the VED during the 5 years you've owned it? Did you use the 26 week protocol? I can only assume you've seen no results if you have been using it as you have been to a urologist and are apparently considering surgery. Is you're Peyronies bad enough that it prevents intercourse? If we knew a little bit more about where you're at right now there might be more suggestions as to how to proceed.
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Re: Bathmate : a water pump
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2010, 09:23:31 PM »

Hi Ben,
I utilized the bathmate for less than 2 months, from september 2009.In that period i still diden't know this forum so my utilization of this device was really approssimative.I had some benefits in a starting phase but soon also problems because overpumping so now i stopped using it completely.
In my opinion,bathmate is more similar to a sex toy and,in any case,it is fragil and i don't think it is possible to use it for several weeks.But the main aspect to consider is that it is dangerous, above all after few weeks of usage when its base(the part you insert your penis in) becomes less.....elastic. I never used it for 20 minutes(a crazy criminal suggestion!), preferring to make more session of no more of 5 minutes heach but it hurted me the same.It is easy to use if you are partially erected and it is true that you have to pump few times.For me was very important to taste this device because i understood that ved could help my situation in spite the negative opinion of all urologists that visited me in Italy about ved therapy. After i discovered this forum, i tried to reach the maximum erection for no more of 10 seconds and for aroud 10 times but also in that way i felt dicomfort maybe because so i gave up completely. I hope soon to buy the 3 cylinders device as most of people here. IF YOU ARE DIABETIC(as i am)REMEMBER:IF YOU WANT TO USE BATHMATE OF EVERY OTHER VED DEVICES,BEFORE ANY USAGE CONTROLL YOUR GLICEMYC LEVEL AND AVOID IF YOU ARE OVER 160 mg/dl.Please forgive my bad english and good luck!
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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2010, 06:48:06 PM »

Hi Ben,

I used the bathmate prior for a month or so prior to having a nesbit operation 3.5 weeks ago. I liked it once I learned how to use it properly.. the main considerations being: don't pump it right up too fast, build up. 5-10 minute sessions at a time are best for minimising fluid build up. when fitting it, pul your balls down out of the way, and keep the base high on your pubic bone for maximum comfort. If anyone is interested have a look at the specific thread on the matters of size penis enlargement forum. In a nutshell, it is great for increasing penile girth when combined with manual penile girth exercises, and it apparently works length too, but not as fast as manual stretching - but this can also be combined with the bathmate.
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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2010, 03:58:44 PM »

First off, as a warning to those here, it's very easy to order the wrong VED from Fitzz.com if you aren't careful.  If you go to their website there's a big call-out on the homepage for Vacuum Erection Therapy which takes you here: http://www.fitzz.com/Vacuum-Therapy-Devices_c_503.html  Everyone on these forums was talking about the Vitality Plus and since there's only one option on that page that's why I ordered.  When I got it I noticed it only had one tube.  However, in my "excitement" to start using the VED I opened it and used it a few times instead of immediately returning it.

A couple of questions:

#1 - Should I return it for the three cylinder model or just stick with the one cylinder model for now?  It seems that people here rave about the three cylinder model.  I don't have a lot of curvature, just a fairly large indentation on the right side and a small indentation on the left side. 

#2 - Can I return this once I've used it?  Given how easy this is to do in terms of mixing up purchases I do feel a little misled.  Or is it possible to order the other two cylinders for my model?

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Ordered the wrong VED (Caution to others)
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2010, 05:26:12 PM »

You have to check off the box below the main VED single cylinder to add the 2 other tubes to your order.
I am sure you can sort it out with them.
Kathy is the gal in the office in Miami. 1-866 3621.
The Old Man and others will be better to instruct you as to the protocol for using the 3 cylinders.
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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2010, 06:14:04 PM »

DannyOcean:

This should not be a problem for you after using the large cylinder. Just advise the Fitzz company by phone what you did wrong on your initial order. They have the extra two cylinders available and can be bought separately. You might have to make an adjustment in the price. Have your invoice in hand when you get the company of the 800 number so they can research your order and help you resolve the problem.

As mike67 says you needed to have checked the block showing the two cylinders, etc. to be added to the one cylinder model. The Fitzz company makes up the three cylinder package as the VEDs are ordered by forum members.

Info for all ordering VEDs from Fitzz:

You must use the special link to the web page that is listed in the VED board of the main forum to get the special price. So, to any all ordering, please do your homework first.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2010, 11:59:36 AM »

hi my suffering friends,

i can't wait to give the VED a try and already exchanged a lot of pm's with old man whom is very supporting.
thank you once more old man.

still not sure which VED i will get and would like to ask the VED users a few questions.

1. is anyone using the one cylinder Osborn esteem ved and whats the one cylinder routine, are you satisfied with the Osborn esteem ved?

2. doeas anyone knows the size of the Osborn esteem ved cylinder or the size of all three of the soma therapy three cylinders (diameter is my concern here lenght shouldn't be problem)

3. should the penis be 100% errect while doing the routine?

4. should the penis touch the walls of the cylinder ( i have learned from the old men that when you use the three cylinder device it should touch it at least in the smallest cylinder). what if you use a single cylinder device like the Osborn esteem ved?

5. i think the largest cylinder of the soma therapy device has a diamter of 5 cm my penis isn't round but more like an eliptical shape with a width from 5 cm - 5,7 cm. i always thought the penis shouldn't touch the sides of the largest cylinder to give him some room to expand.

i know from old men that you can order bigger cylinders too.

i just wanted to ask you guys with some expirience about what you think?

thanks a lot i'm very grateful that i found this forum.

stay thirsty my friends.

luka
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2010, 07:05:39 PM »

luka

Old Man is the best at the VED protocol. I already had a Rx single cylinder when I found this forum and Old Man.

Old Man gave me a VED exercise for my Rx single cylinder mode. I used it both for the VED pryronies exercise and for sex. IMHO Osborn makes the best constriction rings for sex, I tried them all.

I have the single cylinder exercise posted on the VED board, it is at the bottom of that thread. It should answer most of your questions. If you have an questions feel free to send me a PM.

Good Luck. The VED does work, it takes a little time but it does work.

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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2010, 08:31:00 AM »

thanks jackp,

my main concern are still the cylinder sizes.
i don't want to brag about my width, it's useless anyway...
i would really like to read from some VED users about how they fit in their cylinders.
is there space left at least in the biggest tube? when errect?
i know the smaller cylinders have their purpose too, they should stretch the penis and the scar tissue.
but how about the larger cylinder or the one cylinder VED's?

tia!

luka

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Sticky topic created with link to Fitzz
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2010, 10:27:27 AM »

   A sticky topic has been created in the Vacuum Erection Devices forum containing the direct link to Fitzz and the correct page to order the VED. This topic will remain at the top of the forum and should be easy to find for those wishing to visit the Fitzz web site.
   The Peyronies Disease Society is not associated with Fitzz, Inc. in any way... the link in that topic is provided as a convenience to members due to the many requests for this link.
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Re: Opinion: best VED for both Erectile Dysfunction and Peyronies?
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2010, 10:41:33 AM »

luka:

There is a way you can determine the size of what cylinder you would need to accommodate your penis. Get a measurement of the diameter of your erect penis. If you are larger than 2 inches in diameter you would need a larger cylinder. The Augusta Medical Systems does have larger cylinders than the standard one that comes in their regular packaged VEDs. Some of the larger cylinders are marketed by the Fitzz company.

You would need to take a look at their web sites. Then, check under the link for VEDs and accessories for them to see which sizes are available from them. I gave you the web sites for both companies in a recent PM to you.

The one cylinder VED models from Augusta Medical sold by the Fitzz company can accommodate larger cylinders, but you have to determine the size you need and then contact either Fitzz or Augusta to make the purchase.

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