CIALIS, VIAGRA, LEVITRA, STENDRA Effects, Questions, Availability, Prices

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Iseilinus

I have the Cialis really throttled back to 2.5 mg (20 mg cut 8 ways) only 2X per week. That seems to be enough to wake everything up and stay under the headaches side effect.  I am not sure what daily use will do in the long run.

Luciano

Quote from: Iseilinus on February 21, 2012, 09:23:12 PM
I have the Cialis really throttled back to 2.5 mg (20 mg cut 8 ways)
I am wondering how you do that.. I have enough problems cutting cialis (drop shape) in 4 ... Do you have a special tool to cut into 8?
Would be interesting, because I think even when cutting into 4 I still dont get equal parts. (due to the shape of the pill)
Luc

anthonycann

Hi Folks.  I am on my third day of cialis 5mg.  I have read quite a few posts indicating nocturnal erections and erections experienced during the day.  I am not experiencing these.  In fact, I am only noticing a minor change in my erection quality since starting on the cialis.  I bought the cialis from a pharmacy up here in Canada and it is not generic.  I have been taking them in the morning.  Please advise, does it take time for the full effect; i.e. will I notice more effect within the next few days/weeks?  Or has the experience been that it takes effect within the first hour of the first time taking it?  Thank you.  Anthony.

Luciano

If you take cialis, it does not meen you will get errections all the time. This is not the way it works.
Even with cialis, at any dose (low or high) you will only get an erection if you are sexually stimulated.
(its the same with viagra and levitra)
To simplify, if you get an erection, cialis will sort of prevent the blood from leaving the penis to quickly. So you will have a harder and longer erection.
But if are not sexually stimulated YOU SHOULD NOT get an erection!

As for the dosage, lots of us take cialis at 5 mg. Having better erections is a nice side effect, but the main reason is, that they have been studying rats, and the penises of those rats seemed to heal better after injury, than those that didnt take cialis.
So they found that all of those PDE5 inhibitors had antifibrotic properties. So it seems (there is no real proof) that it can help with Peyronies Disease.
AND as lots of people beginn to have ED when getting Peyronies Disease, the fact that more blood comes into the penis can only be a benefit.

I doubt though that you will really notice a big difference while having sex with 5 mg a day (although every person is different). If you have real ED and get cialis prescribed for intercourse, then usually doctors prescribe 20mg. The 20 mg should last for 36 hours, thats why it is also called the weekender pill. But the 20mg dose should NOT be taken on a daily base.

When you take cialis, the effect will come after one or 2 hours, depending if you had food or not, alcohol or not. Food and alcohol slow down the effect.
If you take it for intercourse, they suggest you take it on an empty stomach, at least one hour before intercourse.
Usually, people take it at night, because they have a date that evening.
If you are very worried, (that is normal when you are diagnosed Peyronies Disease) then even with cialis nightly erection can be very rare.

Luc

anthonycann

Quote from: Luciano on April 26, 2012, 01:38:59 PM
If you take cialis, it does not meen you will get errections all the time. This is not the way it works.
Even with cialis, at any dose (low or high) you will only get an erection if you are sexually stimulated.
(its the same with viagra and levitra)
To simplify, if you get an erection, cialis will sort of prevent the blood from leaving the penis to quickly. So you will have a harder and longer erection.
But if are not sexually stimulated YOU SHOULD NOT get an erection!

As for the dosage, lots of us take cialis at 5 mg. Having better erections is a nice side effect, but the main reason is, that they have been studying rats, and the penises of those rats seemed to heal better after injury, than those that didnt take cialis.
So they found that all of those PDE5 inhibitors had antifibrotic properties. So it seems (there is no real proof) that it can help with Peyronies Disease.
AND as lots of people beginn to have ED when getting Peyronies Disease, the fact that more blood comes into the penis can only be a benefit.

I doubt though that you will really notice a big difference while having sex with 5 mg a day (although every person is different). If you have real ED and get cialis prescribed for intercourse, then usually doctors prescribe 20mg. The 20 mg should last for 36 hours, thats why it is also called the weekender pill. But the 20mg dose should NOT be taken on a daily base.

When you take cialis, the effect will come after one or 2 hours, depending if you had food or not, alcohol or not. Food and alcohol slow down the effect.
If you take it for intercourse, they suggest you take it on an empty stomach, at least one hour before intercourse.
Usually, people take it at night, because they have a date that evening.
If you are very worried, (that is normal when you are diagnosed Peyronies Disease) then even with cialis nightly erection can be very rare.

Luc

Thank you for your response Luc.  I appreciate your insight.

The erections I was referring to were when I was sexually stimulated.  I notice that they are a bit better, but not much.  I am waiting to see a Peyronies Disease Uro, but am pretty sure I have Peyronies Disease, from what I have read and the fact that it is curved.  Along with the curve, my symptoms have also included a loss in erection quality (ED).  I was of the understanding that cialis would help with this quality issue and, by way of the bloodflow increase it provides, also help with addressing the Peyronies Disease.  I have read many members posts wherein they discuss nocturnal erections.  If it is not the cialis/viagra that is providing for these, then please may I ask, what is?  The PDE-5 inhibitor meds are marketed as help for ED, so I assumed I would notice a more significant difference.  Especially given what we pay for them.

My hopes are that, through diligence and addressing this early on (it has only been 6 weeks since I noticed the curve), I will regain erectile strength and reduce or at least halt the curving.  

Might other forum members please care to also share their insight?

Thank you, again Luc.

Anthony

George999

There is research indicating that LOW DOSE Ciallis actually helps repair Peyronie's damage (just like Pentoxifylline does, but not so much).  But LOW DOSE Ciallis is prescribed for Peyronie's, NOT for ED.  If you really need BOTH benefits, you will probably need to get a new prescription for a higher dose of Ciallis.  - George

Davea

Anthony,

I am in a very similar situation to you. I get nocturnal erections which are much firmer than at any other time. Like you, I must admit this confuses me (if there's a blood flow problem why does it not happen at night is the question).

I don't take any medication because I'm very wary of anything that interferes with blood pressure. I was wrongly diagnosed with high BP about 4 years ago and the doctor put me on Captopril. One single dose nearly killed me. My BP went through the floor. The doctor decided that I had 'white coat hypertension' which was confirmed when his head nurse took my BP and it was fine.

I'm also interested in the views of others.

Luciano

Quote from: anthonycann on April 26, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
The erections I was referring to were when I was sexually stimulated.  I notice that they are a bit better, but not much.
I agree 100% with George! 5mg is low dose. 20mg is for better erections. Try it, but dont overdo it. I repeat: 20mg is NOT for daily use, unless prescribed otherwise by your doctor!!!
Luc

anthonycann

Thank you for your responses.  

My GP originally prescribed 20mg cialis with the intent that I would take it every third day.  Am I understanding correctly, that this would still provide the benefit of the aid to the Peyronies Disease repair while also providing for erection strength?  Having read throughout the forum that 5mg seems to be the norm, I asked him to change the prescription.  I only bought a 30-day supply, so I could always request a change to the 20mg cialis.  Is 20mg every third day too much?

George999

I would think that you would get both benefits with a higher dose taken on an as needed (NOT daily) basis.  - George

james1947

New member to the Viagra, Cialis, Levitra familly.

I am quoting bellow from Fox News:
QuoteFDA approves Vivus's fast-acting Viagra rival
QuoteMen with erectile dysfunction may not have to plan for sex as far in advance anymore after Vivus Inc won U.S. approval for avanafil, its faster acting rival to Viagra.

Avanafil, which will be sold under the brand name Stendra, is the first new drug in the category in a decade.

The drug -- which will compete with Pfizer Inc's Viagra, Eli Lilly's Cialis and Levitra, sold by GlaxoSmithKline and Bayer -- gives Vivus, which has struggled to bring a weight loss drug to market, a potentially lucrative commercial product.

The Vivus drug will have some attractive marketing claims as it goes up against established rivals sold by companies with serious marketing muscle.

"This is potentially the fastest acting of the four," said Dr Wayne Hellstrom, professor of urology at Tulane University School of Medicine in New Orleans.

While it is recommended that patients take the new pill 30 minutes prior to sexual activity, in clinical trials it has been shown to work in as fast as 15 minutes. Viagra typically takes about an hour to start working.

Stendra belongs to the same PDE5 inhibitor class as its rivals and also works by increasing blood flow to the penis. But researchers found it to be more selective than the older drugs, meaning it could have fewer unintended effects.

"Higher selectivity should translate into fewer side effects," said Hellstrom. "It's going to add more excitement" to the field.

ED afflicts as many as 30 million men in the U.S., Vivus said. The Vivus drug is currently awaiting a European approval decision.

Cowen and Co analyst Simos Simeonidis, in a research note, forecast annual Stendra sales of about $300 million. Viagra had sales of about $2 billion in 2011.

Vivus shares were up about 3 percent following the expected approval by the Food and Drug Administration. Investors are far more focused on the prospects for Vivus's obesity pill Qnexa, for which the FDA is expected to rule by mid July.

Doctors should prescribe the lowest dose of Stendra that provides benefit, the FDA said. It has been approved at doses of 50 milligrams, 100 mg and 200 mg.

"This approval expands the available treatment options to men experiencing erectile dysfunction, and enables patients, in consultation with their doctor, to choose the most appropriate treatment for their needs," Victoria Kusiak, deputy director of the Office of Drug Evaluation in the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, said in a statement.

The most common side effects reported in clinical studies included headache, flushing of the face and other areas, nasal congestion, common cold-like symptoms and back pain.

The drug carries the same cautions as its rivals, including that it should not be used by men who also take nitrates due to the potential for a sudden dangerous drop in blood pressure and the now famous warning to see a doctor if an erection lasts more than four hours.

Vivus shares, which closed up 2.9 percent at $25.15 on Nasdaq, rose to $25.40 in after hours trading.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/04/30/fda-approves-vivus-fast-acting-viagra-rival/#ixzz1tWvtkyQj

I will merge this topic later with Viagra, Cialis, Levitra topic.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

RickG

Quote from: cowboyfood on December 02, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
So, I ordered online; received several email confirmations about order, shipment and tracking; it arrived in about two weeks; according to the website, the product was manufactured in India.
CF
Cowboy -- how was the effectiveness? Would you order from here again? Does anyone else have recommendations for Cialis online, low(er) cost?

cowboyfood

IMO, very effective.  

I'm taking about 5mg every day, or every other day.

I ordered the 20mg tablets and have been "cutting" a tablet into four pieces. However, cutting one tablet into four pieces can be tricky and I usually mess it up.

So, I plan on ordering from the company again very soon, but I will order their 10mg tablets and just cut the tablet in half.  This should be much easier.

CF
Currently:  L-Arginine (2g), Vit D3)

newguy

A useful comparison of Cailia, Viagra and Levitra: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5499/versusi.jpg . It's possible that I posted it before, but don't think I have.

james1947

newguy

I would like to read the comparison, but:
The link bring me to http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
A picture of a frog in an ice cub. I like them fried.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

newguy

I wonder why it's blocked from your location? I have attached it to this message. Basic info really. Not peyronie's specific, but I figured it might be of use as a quick overview..


james1947

Newguy, thanks for the information.
Where I am living now they are blocking even some videos regarding dogs or yachting.
Basically is connected to Peyronies as many of us using them for erection or daily dosage.

I am blessed to have all the side effects from Viagra and Cialis, I didn't try Levitra.
I have to mention that after using for two weeks the daily dosage of 4mg Cialis or the daily approx. 15mg Viagra the side effects disappeared, still 20mg Cialis or 50mg Viagra have the side effects.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

newguy

Where I am they only block content related to kittens and mittens j/k.

I'm in a similar position. I've never tried Levitra but have the other two. Viagra gives me indigestion and a blocked nose. The first time I took Cialis I had really bad back pain. After that though, it was fine, even when I only took it sporadically. Personally viagra gives me stronger erections, but Cialis provides a decent boost over a longer period of time, as it to be expected. Pycnogenol and L-arginine worked pretty well too, but the combination made the roof of my mouth really itchy (odd, but true).


George999

Suddenly the Internet is being blocked left and right and the people you can thank for it are the big media corporations that are forcing these ill conceived censorship efforts in order to try to reign in IP piracy.  Of course it won't be effective, the REAL pirates will always find a way around it, but you and I will suffer and they block in this direction and that, blocking legitimate data in order to try to increase their already outrageous profits.  - George

james1947

The new guy in town udenafil marketed under the name Zydena
So we have now 5 friends for ED: Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, Vivus and Zydena.

Zydena® is currently marketed in Korea and Russia

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/171452.php

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

Noway

I took them all levitra, cialis and viagra the best for peyronies is cialis by far i dont care what anyone sais from experience. from cialis i havent noticed any side effects and from viagra i got headaches.

jackp

When I was at my local urologist a couple of weeks ago I noticed a pamplet for Zydena. I read it and it is the same class as the other ED drugs. I would assume it is now available in the US.

Jackp
http://jackp-penileimplant.blogspot.com/  

JamesW

I'm not a spammer, but I need recommendations on a place to buy quality Cialis (or generic).  I'm concerned with safety, but care a bit less about legality and grey market issues.  I just got denied by my insurance and it looks like Cialis at my present rate will cost me about $150 a month.  That's ridiculous.

Suggestions welcomed, preferably nothing China or India.

james1947

I will suggest:
https://www.riverpharmacy.ca/drug/cialis
They don't have the 5mg, I bought locally where I am living now the 20mg and cutting it in 5 pcs.
I bought from Riverfarmacy Pentox, they are OK in my opinion.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

JamesW

How easy are they to cut?  Are they generics? My 5mg's are easy to cut, but you have to be careful so they don't crumble and getting them even is a little tricky.

Quote from: james1947 on August 28, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
I will suggest:
https://www.riverpharmacy.ca/drug/cialis
They don't have the 5mg, I bought locally where I am living now the 20mg and cutting it in 5 pcs.
I bought from Riverfarmacy Pentox, they are OK in my opinion.

James

james1947

I don't know if they are generic or not. You may email them and ask.
Because they shape, the cutting is quiet tricky.
I am using a sharp and relatively heavy short knife, placing the knife on the place I want to cut and make a sudden push. Not always the same size, but is OK. I can make 4 or 5 pcs from the 20mg Cialis pill, so it is reducing very much my monthly cost, very important for me as I don't have insurance also and I am not a wealthy man as well.
I know that in many places in the world you can buy in the pharmacy a pill cutter, where I am living now I didn't find.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

restore

James, I'm in the same boat.  Been paying $160 a month at CVS since my Blue Cross won't pay for it.  They won't cover any drugs marketed for any sexual disorders.  BUT, if the medical world would ever expand the purpose of these drugs as also to treat other diseases such as Peyronies, it may be covered then.  I know of one study that showed good results with Peyronies taking daily use Cialis, but there may have to be more before it will be approved for it.

Luciano

Quote from: JamesW on August 28, 2012, 06:09:54 PM

Suggestions welcomed, preferably nothing China or India.

Actually the generic products (cialis but also many other prescription drugs) made in india are very good quality.
There are huge production plants and big pharceutical companies have their medications produced there.
Usually, these indian companies sell their products legally in countries not having signed the patent agreements.

These products are safe. (of course there are indian companies that are good, some are not.)

I'm not saying buy indian, but do not,  not buy just because its from india.

Luc

GS

Check out River Pharmacy.  They are an online drug store I've been using for a couple of years now and I've never had any complaints.

GS

alexsisserieus

Hi

I have a few questions about Cialis. My pharmacist gave me a box of 30 pills of 5mg each. I was wondering is it best to take 5mg or 2,5 mg daily? each tablet has a day on it (monday, tuesday) is this of any importance? (this might be a very stupid question, i am just cautious with all these kind of medication)

thx in advance,

Alex

skunkworks

Quote from: anthonycann on April 26, 2012, 10:17:46 AM
Hi Folks.  I am on my third day of cialis 5mg.  I have read quite a few posts indicating nocturnal erections and erections experienced during the day.  I am not experiencing these.  In fact, I am only noticing a minor change in my erection quality since starting on the cialis.  I bought the cialis from a pharmacy up here in Canada and it is not generic.  I have been taking them in the morning.  Please advise, does it take time for the full effect; i.e. will I notice more effect within the next few days/weeks?  Or has the experience been that it takes effect within the first hour of the first time taking it?  Thank you.  Anthony.

If you are not getting much effect from cialis after taking it for awhile, it is time to get your testosterone levels checked.
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

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james1947

alexsisserieus

It is not a stupid question.
The Cialis daily dosage was prescribed by a doctor?
I don't think the day have some importance except to make follow up more easy and not to forget.
From what I know from the forum, 2.5mg daily may be enough for treating Peyronies, 5mg daily helps with erection.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

ashtown

My new urologist has prescribed Cialis and Pentox for me last week and I started Cialis last Thursday but had to wait to today before Pentox was available at my pharmacy.


For the first two days I had no negative side effects from Cialis then on Sunday morning I had some crazy back ache that later extended to my legs. Lower back ache isn't an entirely new experience to me but the leg pain was so I suspected Cialis was the cause and sure enough that appears to be the case looking at the listed side effects on their web page. Since Sunday morning the pain has been coming and going in my back and legs but it's present most of the time and I'm finding it really hard to concentrate on my work or even sleep. It's 4.10am here now and I woke up two hours ago from the pain.


When the pain kicks in I've found that going for a walk seems to help as long as I keep moving but I'm not about to do that at this time of night and I suppose I could try some more ibuprofen but I'm reluctant to keep taking pain killers and really hope this will go away soon or I'll go nuts.  
Dec 2013 - Replaced all prescribed medicines with plenty of fresh vegetables, sleep and exercise

james1947

Ashtown

I had experienced also back pain that radiates to my legs in addition to flushing (like my face was burning) and excessive sweating. I reduced the dose to 2.5mg and within three weeks my body get used to and the side effects as well. I am taking now 4mg daily (in the evening) and everything OK except the flushing, but not so strong and for short time (about 30 - 40 minutes).
Try to reduce the quantity until your body get used to.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

ashtown

Thanks James, At around 5.30am this morning I finally gave up the battle and took a couple of ibuprofen, then 20 minutes later I was asleep. It's now almost 6 hours later and I have practically no pain so I think I'll keep an eye on this and see if I can handle the 5mg without too much stress in the short term while my body is getting used to it but if necessary I'll break the table in half and slowly increase the dose.


I ordered some more L-Arginine from Amazon but they've taken ten days just to dispatch an item that was already supposed to be in stock, so I really hope it arrives today/tomorrow because I basically ran out on Sunday, which is when the pain kicked in from the Cialis and I wondered if that might be connected, since the Cialis gave me no problem at all for the first two days.



Dec 2013 - Replaced all prescribed medicines with plenty of fresh vegetables, sleep and exercise

newguy

ashtown - I had that exact same problem with Cialis initially. It was a feeling like I've never felt before right in my lower back area. A very uncomfortable ache. Thankfully after a week of taking Cialis it went away and I never experienced it again (even when, I stopped taking Cialis for a while, then started back again). Hopefully that will be the case for you too. If not, there's always Viagra.

ashtown

I'm monitoring this so I don't want to say anything yet for certain but in my case I think the pain from Cialis is largely cancelled out by L-Arginine. When I first took the Cialis I was on 2g per day of L-Arginine and I never felt a twinge but when the L-Arginine ran out the pain kicked in about 12 hours later and it was heavy going affecting my lower back, legs, sides and even arms at times.


Today the pain was starting again after the ibuprofen started to wear off but then some more L-Arginine arrived so I took some immediately and within half an hour the pain started to subside. Then I took my daily dose of Cialis at 6.00pm and within 15 minutes the pain started to kick in but minutes later it subsided again presumably because the L-Arginine taken at the same time was also taking effect. At the moment I'm not in too much pain unless I try to stretch like touching my toes which is still hard at the moment and it almost feels like I have a trapped nerve in my back. Normally speaking I can touch the ground with the palms of my hands.


Perhaps I'm just slowly getting used to Cialis and my body is adjusting but I am just wondering if there is something in this L-Arginine connection. Whether it's L-Arginine or just a natural adjustment I hope this pain starts to go away completely before long.  
Dec 2013 - Replaced all prescribed medicines with plenty of fresh vegetables, sleep and exercise

LWillisjr

Quote from: alexsisserieus on September 09, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Hi

I have a few questions about Cialis. My pharmacist gave me a box of 30 pills of 5mg each. I was wondering is it best to take 5mg or 2,5 mg daily? each tablet has a day on it (monday, tuesday) is this of any importance? (this might be a very stupid question, i am just cautious with all these kind of medication)

thx in advance,

Alex

Alex,
It's mostly a way to keep track of when you have taken your medication. And 5mg is the stronger dose. I would suggest you try cutting them in half and trying 2.5 mg dosage. If this works for you then your meds will last twice as long.
Developed peyronies 2007 - 70 degree dorsal curve
Traction/MEDs/Injections/Surgery 2008 16 years Peyronies free now
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pless

Quote from: james1947 on August 29, 2012, 12:17:34 AM
I don't know if they are generic or not. You may email them and ask.
Because they shape, the cutting is quiet tricky.
I am using a sharp and relatively heavy short knife, placing the knife on the place I want to cut and make a sudden push. Not always the same size, but is OK. I can make 4 or 5 pcs from the 20mg Cialis pill, so it is reducing very much my monthly cost, very important for me as I don't have insurance also and I am not a wealthy man as well.
I know that in many places in the world you can buy in the pharmacy a pill cutter, where I am living now I didn't find.

James

I use a single edged razor blade (like this: link) successfully cutting 20 mg Tadalafil (Cialis) into 8 pieces.  I tried a cute pill cutter which did it worse.  I put the Tadalafil pieces into very small gelatin capsules (5mm x 17mm) which are extremely cheap when bought in quantity.  When I visited India I brought back about 6 different brands of Tadalafil.  (Some, but not all, pharmacies there sell them OTC.)  They varied in price by more than a factor of 1.5.  I've noticed no differences in efficacy among the brands.  One difference for our purposes is that some crumble under the razor blade much more than others.  Ranbaxy brand crumbles hardly at all.  My method has been to take about 10 pills to make about 80 2.5 mg capsules.  For the most crumbly brands, after about 50 capsules with single hunks I start making capsules with multiple bits, and the last 10-15 capsules receive crumbs.  It's not much trouble and a pleasant ritual in contemplation of how the Tadalafil will be used.  

pizzaman

I use alldaychemist when I need "generics". Something odd happened when I took some generic Cialis for a while - my hearing deteriorated and I started getting tinnitus. Oddly, that's a side effect associated with viagara, but not cialis. I mentioned this to my doctor and he said maybe it was contaminated with heavy metals. I'm back on the name brand stuff for now, and my hearing is going back to normal.
I bought the absolute cheapest stuff at alldaychem. It's called Ceebis and it's made by Cooper Pharmaceuticals. I think maybe sometimes you get what you pay for. Granted, I'm gonna be buying more generic taladifil, but next time I'm gonna go with a more reputable pharmaceutical company like Ranbaxy or Cipla.

james1947

I bought Cialis from same source as Pentox:
https://www.riverpharmacy.ca/drug/cialis
I don't have any connection to them, just a customer!!!
They don't stock the 5mg. I am buying the 20mg, cutting to 5pcs. Come out $0.25 per day

James  
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

skunkworks

I am 2 months into a 6 month run of 2.5mg cialis every day. Obvious increase in erection frequency and strength, hope to report back about the effect on scar tissue in 4 months.
This is an emotionally destructive condition, we all have it, let's be nice to each other.

Review of current treatment options by Levine and Sherer]

LMP

Started on 5mg of Cialis 4 days ago. I also take Pentox, Ubiquinol, ALC and L'arginine. Can the L'arginine be dropped now in favour of the Cialis or do they work in different ways?

Sorry if this has been asked before.

MattFoley

LMP, personally, I take the Cialis and the Arginine precursor, Citrulline Malate.
Got Testosterone?

Hawk

They do work in different ways and not just for erections but for treatment doctors prescribe them together as the PAV cocktail for Pentox, Arginine, Viagra.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
Hawk - Updated 10/27/18 - Peyronies Society Forums

LMP

As others have observed on here - since starting Cialis, definite backache and a bit of earache. Slightly better today so I'll keep going and hopefully build up some tolerance.

Hawk

I only ever took Cialis a few times.  I took a maximum dose for ED not a daily maintenance.  Each time I felt like someone had hit me across the lower back with a baseball bat.  I have asked about the physiology going on with the back ache with this one ED drug and I have never gotten an answer.  I MUCH prefer Levitra to Viagra or Cialis.  No back ache and no interference from food (fat intake).
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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LMP

Going to try and ride out the pain and hope it's just my body adjusting to it. More of a big discomfort today, rather than a pain. Plaque pain was worse yesterday too.

Norm

I notice the PAV cocktail get a lot of mention. The Pentox and Arginine are daily medications. But how can anyone possibly afford Viagra every day? I paid $150 for just 6 pills. Is the "V" of PAV a daily regimen?  
Plication Surgery Dec. 2013. Straight Again!

Hawk

I think the original prescription was 1/4 of a tablet daily which still is not cheap.

Now many take the Cialis low-dose daily tab.  I have no clue what that costs but I am sure it is also not cheep.
Prostatectomy 2004, radiation 2009, currently 70 yrs old
After pills, injections, VED - Dr Eid, Titan 22cm implant 8/7/18
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