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Tmacca

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Surgery as an option
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:09:05 AM »

So after hours upon hours of research, it seems the best way to correct a congenial curve which I have is a surgery particularly Nesbit (which be easier for me as I live in Australia) or the STAGE which means I would have to travel in London and with uni it would be quite a challenge. At me being 18 I want to get this sorted out as soon as possible so I don't miss out on having a normal life cause at the moment it's just complete depression and embrassment. Any advice guys and sorry for spamming this thread but I'm New to this and just want answers.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 09:09:33 AM »

Tmacca - Sir, you are correct. For a man with congenital curvature, I have yet to read of any validated successful alternative therapy. You may find an anecdotal story, but one story out of tens of thousands is hardly something to hang one's helmet, ahem, on.

If anything, trying all those other notions can add injury to the insult you already feel with your dick, not to mention frittering away years of your life while doing so. For the other kind of guy on this Forum, the guy with Peyronie's Disease, it's an entirely different story. There are many men who will swear on a wide variety of therapies which have given them hope and in many cases, results.

Congenital curvature and Peyronie's Disease both attack the dick, but they're unrelated in cause and remedy.

Many thousands of congenitally curved men have gone before you in pursuing surgery. The next time you hear of a friend or colleague who is doing a "staycation" -- you'll know what that means   ;)

Advice: When you find a surgeon who specializes in male sexual function, make sure and ask some questions, like: How many penises have you operated on? Which types of procedures do you prefer and why? And, how many cases of congenital curvature have you operated on using each of these procedures? What is your facility's infection rate? What is the infection rate of your specific patients? What is the failure rate of your congenital curve fixes?

Those are just some of the critical questions you must insist on having answers to. These provide early warnings. You only get one dick, so guard it like gold.

On the question of "how many" curvature surgeries have been completed, I can tell you that in my personal opinion I wouldn't let anyone lay hands on my dick who hadn't completed at least 50 such operations prior to me. In today's world that's nothing. Your dick is WAY TOO important to be some budding doctor's butcher block. Insist on experience.

Best to you,

John
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Re: Surgery as an option
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 05:55:16 AM »

Tmacca,
Whatever you do, DO NOT HAVE NESBITT.
Nesbitt cuts through nerves and leads to reduced sensitivity or numbness in the glans. It also reduces length considerably.
I had STAGE technique with Dr Kuehhas and couldn't be happier. My advice to you is to travel to Vienna for surgery. It is cheaper (8000euro compared to 8000pounds in london), and vienna is a cheaper city to stay in.

Best of luck on whatever you decide, but please don't have a nesbitt, you will regret it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 12:09:00 PM »

Tmacca and all readers of the thread -- Every version of current penile surgery practice has pros & cons, as well as benefits and risks.

I had Nesbitt in June of 2016 and couldn't be happier. No complications, and none of the nonsense put forth by fefgeug.

What is critical is the owner of the curved dick find a surgeon who has actually completed hundreds of penile surgeries before yours. If a man signs up to be the 8th penile case for a new surgeon who is still figuring things out -- it's pretty likely this man will come away the victim of a well-intentioned but nonetheless ignorant butcher.

And, how does a man prevent this kind of outcome? Ask the flipping surgeon how many of these specific surgeries he's actually performed as the lead surgeon. And, the number better be in excess of 100 or you walk right out of there. Once you've found THE surgeon on your choice, one must also take care to confirm that this surgeon will be the primary surgeon doing the work on one's penis. Often, the surgeon will tell you he's the one, but he forget to mention that he'll actually be in and out of the room while his partner or junior staff member will actually be doing the surgery. "Oooops" inevitably happens while he's out of the room sipping his coffee or kibitzing with the nurses.

Happens all the time in the U.S. in every kind of operation.

Be a smart consumer.

John
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 07:06:16 AM »

Tmacca,
You came here for advice and I am offering you advice based on my own experience and extensive research.
Truth is, I looked into Nesbitt surgery years ago and turned down a Nesbitt surgery due to the risks and length loss. I elected STAGE surgery based on feedback from real people on forums such as this.
I have no doubt that JohnW is telling the truth form his own experience, and I am happy for him. However, I don't appreciate being told that I am talking nonsense.
Anyway, you asked for advise based on peoples experience, and you have received mine. Make of it what you will. I am not here to argue with anyone.

Wishing you all the best.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 08:49:32 AM »

I rejected Nesbit for the same reasons as Fefgeug. I also elected for stage surgery for the same reasons.

JohnW also has a point in basically saying that any surgery is only as good as the surgeon performing it. If you elect for surgery, you must be aware that this is surgery to a very intricate and delicate part of the male anatomy. Things can and do go wrong. The risks are minimalised by being very careful in your choice of surgeon, but they can never be completely eliminated.

I think you should do as we did and conduct your own research into what you think is best for you.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 09:26:07 AM »

Tmacca -- If you're still here with us on the Forum, here's the dictionary definition of "research" -- sometimes it is good to hit the reset button:  "The systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions."

No where on planet earth do hearsay, rumor, anecdote (a one-off story with little verifiable detail), or emotional frenzy qualify as factual detail.

Here on the Forum, anyone can say anything about any topic. As you read the Forum (or any other Internet content), and speak with medical professionals, it is always up to YOU to qualify and sort the information.

Here's an example:  Congenital curvature of the penis. It's a known thing (also called chordee by some urologists). It is a birth defect. What is clear to doctors is that either: one of the two chambers (that allow blood to harden the penis) is malformed, more specifically it is shorter than the other chamber (causing the penis to curve left or right); or extra tissues formed (usually under the glans) causing the defective penis to curve down. That's fact #1 -- birth defect.

Fact #2: No amount of vitamins, stretching, standing on your head, or VED will cure a birth defect. For men with congenital curve, the question is how to alleviate or work around the defect, or get some type of surgery. For a number of reasons guys just accept the curve and move on. Johns Hopkins University Medical Center reported previously that doctors estimate that 1 out every 11 men has a form of curved dick.

Fact #3: Wait, this is bogus: "Surgery will shorten my dick!" Ha. Ha. Ha. When discussing congenital curves, the real measure of one's dick is the short side, unless one is clueless about what congenital curvature actually is. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CLUELESS people out there. Who can blame them, really? I didn't understand why my dick was curved until I was 54! It is an observed reality that men generally think their junk is too small and too short. So we freak out emotionally at words like "it will be shorter." But, if the reader is paying attention, the birth defect determined the length A LONG TIME AGO.

Fact #4: Some penile surgeries offer a man the opportunity to lengthen his dick while it is being straightened. This is what fefgeug is hoping for, I think. In my case, I didn't need extra length added. I was already banging up against my lover's ovaries and stuff and it wasn't always appreciated. The dick specialist that I chose thoughtfully discussed this with me. The short side of my dick was 6" (a little over 15 cm), and the long side was just over 7". If I opted (my choice) for Nesbitt, 6" (15 cm) is where I'd land with a straight dick BECAUSE that's how long the defective side was -- an act of the birth defect, not surgery. 

This is just one example of gathering facts and understanding the information -- turning it into knowledge.

Regards,

John
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Re: Surgery as an option
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 09:15:48 AM »

I agree with everything JohnW has said, especially about the length loss. The goal will be to make the longer side the same length as the short side. This is the same effective length as the penis when it is bent, because it will straighten somewhat when used.
JohnW, I did not elect to have STAGE to lenghten my penis. That is not the goal of STAGE. I think you are confusing it with the EGDYIO technique for peyronies, in which the defective side has become shortened and the goal is to lenghten it. In my congenital curvature the longer side was defective causing the bend.
I done my research, and elected STAGE based on my research and advice on forums like this one. The surgery was a success. I am happy. You had NESBITT and the surgery was a success, you are happy. That's great.
However, I came across multiple horror stories from nesbitt, this forum is awash with them, far greater than success stories like yours. I only came across 3 horror stories from STAGE, and one of them was an unsuccessful attempt to rectify after a previous nesbitt. Another was a worsening of the curve and constant pain, the other one was where the curve returned after surgery.
Anyway, I had STAGE and it worked for me. The guy asked for advice and I gave him mine based on my surgery experience and also gave the reasons why I chose that surgery over another. I don't see why you have such a problem with that.

Bye.
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Re: Surgery as an option
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 11:40:24 AM »

It all depends on surgeon skills..Nesbit, stage, plication..every surgery can lead to impotence, every surgery can damage your nerves. It's the surgeon what makes the difference.

Spain did you have a stage? It looked to me you had a grafting surgery..
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Re: Surgery as an option
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 12:04:39 AM »

Hey guys cheers for the reply have been on in a while but I would like to ask is should I just get on with it and move on and accept my problem or get the stage surgery after all it's a big surgery to travel 10,000km plus for a 10 grand surgery or there about and I do t really have that much money and family wise I'm not in a position financially to afford this. So any feedback as to what I should do would be heavily appreciated.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 04:54:43 AM »

Tmacca treatment is necessary and you have to decide. You need good surgeon and experienced surgeon. I had STAGE in Vienna with Dr Kuehhas. He was great and I am straight and happy. I also had not enough money for surgery but he helped me. Maybe you find good surgeon in Australia. Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2017, 04:20:25 PM »

Difference between STAGE and Nesbit is very sublime in fact. It is rather the delicate differences in procedure that do make the difference. For example, with STAGE you are told that the nerves are not being cut through, they are just put aside. Both the Nesbit and STAGE makes cuts to the Tunica Albuginea, difference: STAGE takes smaller ones at maximum curvature, with Nesbit it depends on the doctor.

I'm pretty sure there are some great Nesbit performing surgeons who's results are maybe as good as STAGE, because they already use some of the techniques, they just don't give it a name.

STAGE is a slightly modified Nesbit, a smarter one I would say. High success rate with STAGE is also VERY highly correlated with the surgeon experience. If you give the STAGE procedure to a rookie, he will initially have a rather high failure rate, as it is also a tad bit more complex than a simple Nesbit.

But then again, for good service and surgeons, you pay a price. I honestly wouldn't think a second on this matter, as a failed Nesbit could be unrepairable. Unfortunately we have some examples in this forum. That is why it is so important you don't make decisions too fast and counterweight all solutions.

Make sure you document the surgery, the involved risks, choose your surgeon VERY WISELY and try to do everything you can do as a patient to maximize the healing period.

Cheers.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2017, 02:17:59 AM »

What Zoli has said is highly relevant.

Any surgical technique can only be as good as the surgeon performing it.

Always check references, etc, and be very careful who you let near your penis with a scalpel!
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