Is my penis length normal?

[JohnWright]

15,521 Men And A Dick

A thing men obviously wonder about from the first sprouting of manhood during puberty is the length of their dick. And, for a handful of reasons, ahem, we men on this Forum are rightly concerned about the risk of loss of length to our manhood. Longer! Stronger! Wait a minute.

The elephant in the room

Hollywood and porn portray manly men as having a dick somewhere in the range of elephant. No doubt a rare man has one of those. But studies prove that being built like an elephant is not normal. Studies also show that a man can have ripped abs, large hands, pencil dick. Likewise scrawny dude, chicken legs, monster dick.

As it happens, and for some amusing twist of fate, nature's God made sure there is absolutely no connection between the panorama of the man and the phallus feature. There is no correlation between what the world visually and delusionally markets as manly and the measure of a man's dick.

Most of us have a sense that the actual measure of manhood is in character and actions. Life's a stage where every man – the one of character as well as the character – performs for the world. It is from this performance of deeds, kindness, gentleness, courage, integrity, thoughtfulness toward women – that we can know manly men.

For men with Peyronnie's or congenital curvature, it is among those qualities we can honestly and rightly measure and take stock of ourselves. Am I behaving manly? That's the question. Having a dick of any proportion doesn't make one more or less of a man in the grand scheme of things.

It's ironic that when a man is on life's stage and failing to live up to a manly role in the moment, we call him a dick. Hehe.

The spécimen de virilité a man's DNA grows is a complete throw of the dice in relation to the rest of his body. Science has known this for a long time. Society has also speculated that guys with big trucks probably have... Well it's easier to guess what they don't have. Badass trucks are a means of compensating. Male psychology is driven to portray itself as big. Better. BEAST. And we compensate in strange, amusing ways.

Studies do show what is a normal range for dicks, and that's the point of my missive about 15,521 dicks. Hopefully to provide a data platform a man can stand on to stabilize his thinking in the midst of dealing with our common tragedy.

For men with either Peyronnie's disease or congenital curvature, length and girth are an overarching concern(!) because these truly are at risk. Followed quickly by destruction of the male persona – we are usually certain.

But, if men were better grounded in our understanding of what is normal in the length and girth department, it would help many of us manage our emotions and expectations, and possibly bolster our emotional health.

Most men here on the Forum would probably admit their pursuit of longer, stronger, and titanium probably had a lot to do with ending up needing to be here in the first place. Use it. Abuse it. Why didn't someone tell me I could wreck it?!?!

Our eyes are bombarded by imagery of men from the land of unicorns. Inspired to stupidity by fictitious stories of conquest from friends and strangers that make us strive for more. Longer! Stronger! Wait, I broke it!

You didn't take the class?

Knowing what is normal and accepting this isn't something men are instructed in. I'm not aware of any instructional means by which young men are brought up and educated by emotionally healthy, scientifically aware, and mature men to understand what it means to be a man, and to understand what is normal manhood below the belt.

It's not normal

One of the sentiments I read occasionally on the Forum is, "Dude, be grateful for what you have!" This is typically in response to the elephant who stumbles into the Forum. The elephant has come to a cataclysmic end! He's depressed and whining. Peyronnie's has whacked him down from a mind and vagina numbing 24+ cm / 9.5+ inches to a mere 17 cm / 7 inches. Oh! The tragedy. If this describes you, just sayin!

There's a difference between needing a functional member and being enamored with an abnormal, phallactic freak of fission. Make no mistake, 24 cm / 9.5 is freaky. Dude, it ain't natural! What's more, it's like coming to the emergency room with a cough while surrounded by trauma care cases. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

The average man, if he were comfortable speaking freely of his sexual health, would likely tell anyone equally brave enough to listen: Having a functional dick isn't a "want" – it's a necessity. And, if you're male you know this be da truth. Functional v.s freaky. It's not too much to ask for. And it's okay for a man to want to be normal and functional. Freaky though, that's just plain greedy.

Back to the elephant. Rather than lecturing the elephant about whining, I want to point and say, "Dude, check out this link and uh, get a grip on your new life." So, that's just one small aside for having the resource.

The male dick: So what is normal?

Having a resource we can point to, via whatever pointing device one may possess, seems like it would have conversational value and promote emotional health. For ourselves and our emotions in those moments where we feel underendowed. And to posture ourselves for responding to those who join our ranks – guys who are just as much a reflection of the unicorn dick culture – as we used to be.

And, a special word for the man who is honestly short on the measuring tape: You are not neglected or ignored. Your circumstance calls for empathy and understanding. And, yours is a story that is not the one I'm telling today. But, you're not forgotten.

I offer this small spreadsheet depiction of the measurements of 15,521 men from around the planet. There's a little extra data thrown in for a bonus measure. Hehe  

[james1947]

JonW

This is the best post I see on the forum for long long time
Thank you for investing the time for writing it
And it makes me happy that even I lost 5 cm I am still in the normal range (13.2 cm right now)
So my real problem is only ED
By the way, all the woman I had (a few, not 100) told me that the two most important things are erection lasting enough long to let them get orgasm and girth. No length!!!

James

[JohnWright]

James1947 -- Thank you. Even for myself, on the healing side of plication surgery, this is still on my mind. I used to be 18.5 cm (7.25 inches) and now I'm 15.5 cm (a little over 6 inches). A funny thing I read among the studies was that men consistently over state to clinicians how long and girthy they believe they are. hehe  

[popopo]

Well maybe, I'm 14/15cm right now and I was 17/18cm depending on how hard I was. Never had much girth so that's basically my biggest problem all along and my biggest insecurity even before peyronie's. I'm a 22 year old man and yes, the lack of erection quality and in my case loss of sensation is of course the most important problem but I don't think I'm greedy for wanting a bigger dick in the future. honestly.. If a doc could ever treat me I will probably demand a bigger size since I'm 6'3" and kinda big overall. I don't think it's greedy to want to sexually please any women. I honestly think it's not a problem in male psychology I think it's horrible how some men are F^@$!ng 10 inch and 8 inch around and other need to "work with" 4inch pricks.. But hey, That's life! I does annoy me that we live in a time where demand for perfection is very high and there still is not a single thing you can do about increasing size. Call me greedy but I think life with a thin pecker is horrible as it is and at this point even though I'm lonely, I doubt a woman in my life will even make me feel better.. I think I'd be even MORE annoyed by the fact I'm not enough to please women even if I COULD keep it up for longer than 5 minutes before it gets half flaccid again..

[Jonbinspain]

Popopo;

Did you know that the average woman's cervix is only around 3" inside her vagina. When she becomes sexually aroused, the cervix will move up inside the vagina. Usually to around 5-6". Obviously, this is on average. Some may be slightly bigger, some smaller too.

The point is, despite what many guys think, a penis that is 8-10" long is too big for the average female. And can actually be painful as it continually smashes into her cervix!

Most girls appreciate girth more than length. That tends to stimulate the vaginal nerves, most of which are just inside the vagina, more than length.

[JohnWright]

I agree with Jonbinspain. It is only one example, hardly a major study, but my own dear sweet wife's only complaint ever was that I was too long at 7 inches, and now that I am 6 inches she still braces herself a little. The average woman just isn't built for an elephant. More girth is definitely where it's at. The elephant thing is just a competitive feature of the male psyche. hehe

[popopo]

I agree jonbinspain. Girth is important which is why I feel bad about being thin mostly, but other than that I wouldn't mind getting back from 6 to 7 inch and I'm quite sure no woman will really complain because of a 7 inch dick. Maybe they will when it's too big, but probably not below 8 inches. And girth is like you said most important and I have only 4.5 inch around to work with, too bad it's short otherwise it would be a pencil dick.

[Jonbinspain]

4.5" in girth is pretty much normal. I'm only just under 5" girth, so not really a lot different.

Try traction and/or VED. They should both give you a healthier, fuller dick.  

[popopo]

Maybe if I get the money for a medical grade VED and I'd need to be VERY carefull. To me personally even VED seems risky. Anyway, on topic.. I don't think it's greedy for a man to want a nice dick size and I'd rather F~@< my own hand than a girl just laying there saying "is it in yet?" While I'm thrusting my semi flaccid up and down as good as I can. Call me bitter, but this crap made me hate myself, hate women and hate sex all together. Honestly, except for the fact that it's a basic instinct to want to reproduce, sex is kinda pointless and I wish we where more than over intelligent beasts. oh well, maybe I get dealt a better hand in a whole new lifetime.

[ArtDude]

I must say, dude, you're an awesome writer. What a great read!

[JohnWright]

Thanks. A creative outlet, and I want to make at least some small contributions to mankind  

[mischa]

This thread was great!  I know we all know this and want to believe it. It's just difficult for us. Now for my thoughts. I was at 5.5 inches in length and 4.6 in girth. Average,  I know. But who hasn't wished for a bigger dick. So my wife consistently had said she had never complained and has regular orgasms. My current problem, my Peyronies Disease has stolen 3/4 inch already (3-4 weeks) and lost girth,  which I miss most which is little more difficult to explain. Since I have "dents" they have caused an off center hour glass affect and slight twisting- causing the shortening. So the fattest part of my dick,  the upper third is where the biggest dent is. So as I slide down the slope to 4" I am concerned about my dicks length. Having obsessed about it my whole life seeing so many men of greater length, at least flaccid has given me albeit incorrect a sense of "my dicks to small" even though I've been with a fair amount of women in my younger days and always went out of my way to get that orgasm. Somehow proving my dick is not central to my entire sex life. It would just have been less stressful to have won the pecker lotery and not stressed over my dick since I was twelve!  

[JohnWright]

mischa,  this quote says it all, "It would just have been less stressful to have won the pecker lotery and not stressed over my dick since I was twelve!"

So true! hehe

In spite of the tribulation, it sounds like you are winning the emotional war. We can all heed the exhortation, "When you are going through hell, keep going."

John

[mischa]

Thanks John!  

[Arabia]

Great piece of prose John!

I am posting the original link because I think the nomograms in Figures 2 and 3 are quite useful and instructive.

If one looks at Figure 2 a few observations:
1. Stretched flaccid and erect lengths are almost identical when measured by a health professional from pubic bone to tip of penis.
2. One typically reads that there is no relationship between flaccid and erect length but this nomogram would suggest otherwise.  Add 4 cm to your flaccid length and you will have your erect length.
3. There is only 4 cm or about 1.6 inches (corrected) difference between the 10th and 90th percentile when erect meaning we're all pretty much the same size give or take an inch or two.  Anybody more than about 17 cm is an 'outlier'.

For Figure 3 showing penile girth the two curves are pretty much parallel.  One can just add about 2 cm to the flaccid girth to determine erect girth.

Maybe this study should be put in the resource library or made a sticky somewhere?

Am I normal? A systematic review and construction of nomograms for flaccid and erect penis length and circumference in up to 15 521 men - Veale - 2015 - BJU International - Wiley Online Library

[james1947]

From Arabia:

There is only 4 cm or about 3/4 of an inch difference...

According to my knowledge converting cm to inch, 1 inch = 2.54 cm.
So 4 cm = 1.5748 inch and not 3/4"
Maybe my conversion is wrong and Arabia conversion is wright?

James  

[Arabia]

Yes you're correct with the conversion and I fixed that.  Must be the caffeine withdrawal I'm experiencing.

[Jack1909]

I used to be many cm beyond 20 and with 13 cm and something girth flaccid (never measured erected). Don't know if could be a problem as I've never been able to penetrate..of course I wish I was born with a normal average penis.

[mischa]

If you convert from centimeters to inches it seems to me that your dick is above average? If 4 centimeters equals a little over an inch and a half that would mean your dick was well over 7 inches? The average dick is around 5 and a half inches.