Second lump/new plaque has formed, is this normal?

[lmlalo]

Hi guys,

I introduced myself on the forums three weeks ago, after dealing with Peyronies Disease for a few months. In short, I have pain with erections, no noticeable curvature or deformity, and am taking: Pentox, Ubiquinol, L-Arginine, Acetyl-L-Carnitine, as well as Verapamil injections(two rounds so far) and daily traction (between 2-4 hours). I also follow an anti-inflammatory diet.

My plaque was originally one lump on the dorsal side with a small lump on the other side (possible I-beam?). But this week I noticed a new lump about the same size an inch higher on the dorsal side (with another small lump on the opposite side of the shaft/possible). Pain with erections has returned more forcefully, and sex is doable but sometimes painful. I'm a bit despondent, seeing as I have been adhering to my treatment regime pretty strictly.

Is this common? Do other guys experience second areas of plaque forming even with treatment? Any stories or advice would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Luke

[NeoV]

I'm sure the older members have better advice than I do on this. I got a new indentation some years after my first, and it really got me down. It was from sex actually, but it also just seemed to come on by itself as well, so I just can't be sure.

Sometimes I feel like each guy has a genetic future for Peyronie's, almost as if certain spots just want to scar over. It seemed this way for me due to my congenital curvature, which made injury or just minor damage (unnoticeable damage) more likely. Now, I think all my spots have kind of formed already, but who knows. It seems that my entire ventral penis just wants to bend and become damaged, so I will always have to continue traction and other things. Frustrating!

[Gutted]

I'm about 13 / 14 months from first seeing my symptoms ... which all literally appeared overnight about 3 months after a 'mis-thrust' during sex. So, in general terms, I should be entering the Chronic phase where symptoms settle.

Very unfortunately for me, even after around 8 months on the full compliment of supplements, traction, VED and heat for around the last 6 months, my left side dent, only in the last month or so, has about doubled in depth. It is now about 4mm deep!!. Like someone has pushed a fingertip into the side of it and left a deep fingertip shaped dent    

Depending on how much you have read on Peyronies Disease and on this Forum, you should know, if you are only a "few months" in, you are still in the Acute phase, where it is unfortunately the norm for symptoms to develop.

I know it doesn't sound like a god-send to you ..... but having Peyronies Disease with no deformity is. Keep going with the regime and hopefully no deformity will develop and the pain will subside over time

[lmlalo]

Frustrating indeed, NeoV.

And, yep, Gutted, I am very aware (and grateful) that so far I have no noticeable bend or deformity. The most anxiety, I guess, comes from the thought that i-beam scarring—which I look to have—carries the greatest risk of shortening. Or at least that's what I've read. If that's true, with two i-beam scar positions I'm wondering if this increases the chance of shortening and what the cumulative loss might be from two sites. I know I'm getting ahead of myself, and though I generally keep a pretty positive outlook, this is what frightens me the most.

Thanks, both.

[Gutted]

Can't be 100% sure without re-checking .. but from what I recall of some of my research, I-Beam scarring acts a bit like a transverse 'cross-brace' across the Cavernosa from Tunica wall to Tunica wall if that makes sense.

That therefore effectively causes narrowing (inelastic / contracting fibrotic tissue 'cross-brace') of the Cavernosa, which shows itself as a dent(s) / hourglassing.

On that basis, I would have thought your primary concern would be narrowing rather than shortening ??

So, if I've understood what you are saying about your symptoms correctly, narrowing rather than shortening would be the primary concern.

So, as you are trying to act prophylactically now, I would have thought VED would be more appropriate than Traction ??

Cheers

[lmlalo]

Ah, I think I'm pulling info for a couple of different sources and am maybe getting it mixed up, as I thought i-beam largely caused shortening.

I saw my doctor today for my verapamil shots and he recommended I switch over to the Penimaster Pro, which I just ordered. I thought this was the same as VED but looked online and see it is just a different form of traction. I'll look into VED, thanks! Do you know if this can be used as a complimentary treatment to traction? Best of both worlds kind of thing...

[QuackAttack]

Imlalo,

Look at the VED on this website as you will get a discounted price. Old Man swears by it. I would agree with your URO on the Penimaster Pro. I have a Sizegenetics and it is very uncomfortable and I also have a Phallosan Forte and it is very comfortable, but does not provide the stretch that a rod traction device provides. The PMP uses a strap or rod format, I recommend the rod format because you will get a good stretch like a Sizegenetics without the gland strangulation.

[Gutted]

Imlalo,

Like QuackAttack says, the rod based frame option on the Penimaster Pro gives the more consistent and relatively more controllable tension level compared to the strap tensioning option. The Penimaster Pro user manual does however infer that the strap tensioning system is a means of getting additional traction time in during the day, where it is difficult to wear the more cumbersome rod/frame device.

As for combining VED and Traction, I personally, wouldn't like to take a position on that. I'm not sure anyone knows the answer. There seems to be two distinct views on it :

One is that, an already damaged penis should not be subjected to a daily VED session and a Traction session, as it is too much cumulative 'stress' that could potentially lead to further damage.

The opposing view is that, both could be useful, as the longitudinal pull of traction is different from the 3-D expansion stretch of VED ... where the longitudinal stretch has a more direct effect on curvature and VED's expansion stretch being more directed at 'popping out' dents ... if that description makes sense.

[Old Man]

Gutted:

OK, I have said previously that I would not weigh in on the main forum about using two methods of stretching and vacuum therapy at the same. However, I will.

My firm belief after reading many posts using both methods of Peyronies Disease therapy is that both have their place in therapy methods. Careful use of either can and will produce good results in most cases.

Each method has its own set of procedures, each has its own recovery aspects, but using both at the same, IMHO, will put way too much stress on an already injured penis. My over 20 years of working with many men with Peyronies Disease, as well as ED, symptoms has taught me the difference between the two methods. My recovery from a medium to severe case of Peyronies Disease after a radical prostate surgery in 1995 resulted in total impotence leaving my sex life at zero without some method of getting erections. The one cylinder VED was prescribed for me for therapy. It took just over a year of almost daily usage of that VED to see results. It also gave me the ability of have good erections for sex, even at an advanced age, now at 87 plus.

VED therapy: Used with moderate vacuum pressures according to  protocols suggested for each model of VED therapy can and will give good results at about a 90% success rate. Some severe cases of Peyronies Disease just will not respond to the vacuum therapy. However, the least success is that the constant stretching of ones penis overall will help give the user a more healthy blood flow in their penis.

Traction therapy: I have no personal experience with traction therapy per se. I only have the benefit of many posts on the main forum, many PMs from members all over the world. So, traction therapy is one that each member must do some research and study of the results of those members already using the traction therapy and what their results are/were before starting this therapy method.

So, bottom line of my post is that each member having a case of Peyronies Disease/ED does some research among the many threads/topics and posts to develop their own decision about using VED and/or traction therapy. However, based on my many years of dealing with Peyronies Disease and ED, the VED does have some advantages over the traction therapy, especially the means of getting good erections by using cock rings to hold them up long enough for sex.

All of the above carries my usual caveat about Peyronies Disease and ED therapy: Let the buyer beware of any bogus ads and recommendations. So, do your research on both methods, consult your physicians for more medical assistance before deciding on which method of Peyronies Disease therapy you would choose. Just remember that using both at the same times does have the capability of causing more damage.

Old Man

[lmlalo]

Thanks for this information. It's really helpful to get a range of experiences from men who have been through this.

[Shankerbill]

Earlier this year I was combining both VED and traction with a Phallosan Forte, after deciding I would really hit it hard. I had just got the hang of the Phallosan after about 20 sessions when I developed an agonising pain right through my shaft and into the prostate region. It lasted about a week then thankfully went away. Old Man kindly PM'd me and we had a dialogue I've found very helpful. The advice to stick to VED for a few months has allowed me to get the full benefit of one method and I have seen some benefit, although perhaps limited but still an improvement. I may go back to give the Phallosan another try soon, but am wary as I found it difficult to get the right traction pressure. Perhaps I got my shirt or an undergarment caught in the belt, but having adjusted to the top of the green setting on a couple of occasions, when I checked I found it had shifted well up the yellow setting. SB.

[james1947]

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