Desperate ideas for Traction while sleeping.

[Voltage]

I've done traction for the past 3 months on Andro Penis with zero results. I'm getting desperate. I've decided to try traction during my sleep, as I spend 7-8 hours there alone. I tried last night with the AndroPenis, but it hurt too much after 90 minutes and decided to take it off. Tonight, I'm going to try tying a belt to my waist with my penis stretched up as far as it can go and noosing it together. It's tight, so it's not going anywhere and best of all, I can sleep on my stomach! What do you guys think? If this theoretically works, why do we even need penis extenders at all?

[james1947]

Voltage

Let's say it will work and you will sleep 7 hours.
So during 7 hours you are restricting the blood flow to your penis head.
I don't think it is a good idea. You should make a break every 2 hours.

James

[Voltage]

The longest I've gone without taking a break with andropenis was 2h 44m. It actually turned out fine. It was a little cold, but no signs of concern. Now I know the difference between 5 extra hours and 44m is enormous, but.. Let's say I woke up after 3.5 hours and it was fine? I could take it off once during the night and sleep away my traction sessions. I'm pumped for that.

I'd also like to emphasize that the base of the traction device presses against your pelvic bone for hours on end, it tends to hurt a lot. Especially when you're laying down with your thighs closer together. I tend to go longer sessions with andropenis by sitting at a desk chair with my thighs spread way out. By using the belt method, there's nothing pressing against my pelvic bone, resulting in a drastic amount of less pain. I'm still unsure whether or not this effects the efficiency of the tug though.

[james1947]

The 2 hours I am mentioning is from most of the traction devises manufacturers, but maybe I am wrong.
I had no success with traction (I mean to use it, always some problems) so again, I can just base myself on the manufacturers data and forum members experience.

James

[Voltage]

I'm not disagreeing with you on the recommended time frame James. All I'm saying is that I've gone beyond that by almost an hour before and I was fine. So in any regard, I'll let you guys know what happened tomorrow. I intend on taking at least one break tonight.

[james1947]

Wish you good luck Voltage, and successful outcome

James

[Voltage]

I forgot to mention earlier that due to a busy schedule, I only manage 3 hours of traction a day at best. So this is a hope that things are kicked into high gear.

[skunkworks]

Pro - More time in device.
Con - Risk of extended period of loss of circulation which could cause nerve damage, necrosis and even gangrene.

A shift in your sleep or oversleeping could be catastrophic, and it'd only have to happen once, then you are completely screwed.

The 2 hour limit suggested by manufacturers is almost certainly based upon the fact that it is around the 2-3 hour mark of ischemia on a limb that significant but reversible changes to muscle occurs, somewhere in between then and 6 hours was when permanent damage started occuring. Not sure if anyone has studied how many hours a penis can go with ischemia before permanent damage is done.

[Thisismyusername]

I would strongly recommend against using traction in your sleep.  As others have mentioned you run the risk of restricting circulation for extended periods of time which could damage your penis.  In addition, I do not think it is safe to get an erection while wearing a traction device, and during the night you will get natural erections.  

[incautious]

Volt, had you tried different orientations? You should vary the angle up, strait out down. I found that this helped. Also I used VED after my traction session, as this helps with returning circulation as well. I found it most effective when using VED while erect. Just don't over do the VED 10 minutes or so until you get used to it.

[Steveo]

I've been experimenting with "natural traction" while I sleep.  That is, I prepare to go to sleep face down. As I'm lying on the bed face down, I lift my pelvis slightly off the bed and use my hand to pull my penis gently either up toward my abdomen or to one side toward my hip, then stretch it and settle my body weight down on it.  I'm training myself to do it every time I wake up in the middle of the night.

Of course after anywhere from 30 minutes to a couple of hours I turn over or move and the penis goes back to its normal state, but for the time that I'm face-down it gets stretched at least somewhat. And I believe the stretch has less potential harm than traction because the penis is not just being gripped at the head, it's being held all along its length by the weight of my body.

I'm sure it's not as effective as actual traction is, but at least it puts the penis in a stretched state longer each day than it otherwise would be. Every little bit helps

The only issue I can see is that one's body weight might interfere with nighttime erections, but I haven't personally noticed any problems with that so far. And, in fact, I've spent much of my life sleeping face-down with no ill effects I can think of.  I just haven't, until now, bothered to stretch my penis under me while I did.

[incautious]

Try the esl40. You can wear it for hours at a time. Results will not be as quick as with a standard traction device, but you will get more hours in.

[Pfract]

There are several if not a lot, of medical papers with photos around the web (pubmed mainly), of gangrenous penis or with necrotic tissue due to strangling, and loss of sufficient blood flow to the penis due to foreign objects. Can you guarantee that your device won't somehow move itself while you are still asleep and cause you serious problems?

Traction is also used by folks on penis enlargement forums, and while i lurked there i found several topics about users having damaging their penises because of either to much traction non stop, over stretching, and/or sleep with the device.

Good luck, if you wish to proceed with that endeavor!

[Dared]

Hi Voltage. I understand how you feel, this disease makes us feel powerless. If you're looking for an extender to use while sleeping go get the Phallosan Forte. I've been using it for about five months now in combination with ved and pentox and my curvature has improved slightly by about 15 degrees. Phallosan also is great for girth gains according to the study they have on their website. The main reason i love phallosan is because unlike the other extenders it promotes more blood flow to the penis (traditional extenders cut off blood flow). I've worn it for up to eighteen hours and experienced no problems whatsoever. Also, anyone who has a phallosan and wants some tips on how to make it more comfortable feel free to message me, i have some sick mods i can show you that will really revolutionize the comfort of the device.  

[james1947]

I have to say the truth, the Phallosan Forte I see it for the first time.
From the pictures and the explanation seem to me more like a VED than a traction device.
Or maybe I didn't understand how it works so I also don't understand haw you can use it continuously for 18 hours.
Can you Dared be kind and give an in deep explanation on how it works?

James

[ray-zee]

Ditto to what Darred wrote - If you want to try traction while sleeping, get a Phallosan.

I've been using mine since December, it is very comfortable and can be used continuously for hours (the longest I've gone is around 8 w/out adjusting).  The only reason I don't sleep w/it is because I'm a light sleeper and value a good night's sleep even over therapy!  But I may try sleeping with it again soon.

To answer your question James, the Phallosan is a traction device, not a VED (I also regularly use a VED).  A VED creates vacuum in a rigid cylinder which draws blood into the penis, creating an erection.  The Phallosan creates a small vacuum in a flexible condom sleeve that goes around the shaft of the penis allowing the sleeve to "seal" onto the shaft of the penis.  The Phallosan vacuum doesn't draw blood into the penis and the "seal" doesn't restrict blood flow in the penis.  My understanding is this condom sleeve/vacuum attachment system is much more comfortable than the noose/strap attachment of a conventional traction device and allows the Phallosan to be worn for hours.  Once attached, traction is created by pulling the penis using a belt around the waist.  

[Dared]

Ya James, just to add to what rayzee is saying, it's the comfort and the blood flow that allow you to wear it for such a long time. The one weakness in the design that I thought made the device slightly uncomfortable was the foam ring that goes around the base of your penis. This is where I decided to mod the device for even further comfort. As far as ved, as rayzee said, there is a mini vacuum that hold the glans in place and helps create the pull but it is definitely a traction device albeit an innovative one. The main reason i'm able to wear it safely for eighteen hours though is the blood flow factor.  They claim that the device actually increases blood flow. Also, the other thing is that it is completely safe to get an erection, I've woken up many time with a full hard on and no discomfort whatsoever.  

[Glassglue]

That seems to be a very clever and well thought out device. What do they sell for roughly?

[Dared]

$365 is what i payed on their website. I'd check eBay though, you might be able to find it for cheaper.  

[Pfract]

Dared: you have no problems with the glans because of the vacuum? itchyness, etc etc? i am amazed at your results with the device...  

[james1947]

Thanks for the clarifications ray-zee and Dared.
The price is forbidding for me at this stage and also the damage I have done to my glans by using the silicon type cape traction.
I am afraid to use even VED, that was my main tool correcting many things.

James  

[Dared]

Hi prfact, I did have to introduce my glans to the vacuum very slowly because I experienced what you're talking about, redness and irritation. But I talked to a phallosan representative about it and apparently it's normal and it just takes awhile for the penile tissue to adjust to tension. It took about a month before I was able to wear the device for over six hours without slight irritation. After a month I began wearing for eight hours while I slept at night and then two weeks later ten hours and now I wear anywhere from twelve to fourteen hours on most days. It's slow progress but my hope is that constant tension will eventually win out. Again though, do not attempt to wear for anywhere near this long if you are just starting out, take it slow for at least the first month.  

[ray-zee]

If anyone wants to research the Phallosan further, pegym has a thread on the device that's over 350 pages long!  The Phallosan customer service rep Julian answers many questions there.  Dr Morganstern also recommends the device.

James, I tried a bungee cord/silicone cup cheap traction device and it did the same thing to the head of my penis (although not nearly as badly as what happened to you).  Haven't had any problems like that with the Phallosan.  Hope you heal up soon and can get back to doing some therapy.

[skunkworks]

Why not just post the mods for the device? Why use pm?

[Dared]

Sure skunkworks.  There's several mods I use, first instead of using the foam ring that attaches to the base of the penis I attach a clip to the velcro strap, wrap it around the opposite thigh from the direction I'm stretching so if I'm stretch to the left I wrap around the right thigh and vice versa.  Secondly, I decided to do away with the condom sleeves, instead, I use the anti turtle sleeve from ab silicone. It's thicker so it's less likely to rip and I also find that I get less slippage than I do with the condom sleeves. One thing I do to ensure a good seal is apply shea butter body lotion by Dove to my penis shaft (not the glans).  This not only provides an excellent seal but it also ensures that my penis skin stays moist. Also, I've never had any irrigation since I started applying the lotion.  I cannot say whether this works with the condom sleeves because I've never tried it but it works great with the ab silicone sleeve. Lastly, my protector cap for the glans eventually became stretched out.  I have no problem with the cap that comes with the device but it was too expensive for me to order new ones so I bought a couple gel toe caps off amazon.  The toe caps are not quite as thick as the cap that comes with the device so I use two of them with the large bell, one on top of the other. When using two, this protects the glans quite well and provides even better protection than the cap included with the device.  That's pretty much the extent of my mods, there are other things I've tried but these are the ones I've found work best.  I would post pictures but it would have to include nudity and I'm not sure what the policy of the forum is on that.  Maybe James knows? Anyway, hope this helps someone.