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Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« on: January 29, 2015, 01:19:42 PM »

Hi everyone,

28 y.o., male, went to doc recently to check for PDS because I've had a 45 degree curvature to the left since I can remember. Doc said it was congenital (found no plaque and stuff) and that only option was surgery. But I discarded surgery immediately. I don't have problems with penetration during sex, though I never asked any of my partners whether it felt different (better or worse) than a straighter penis. However, I found that the Andropeyronie device claims it can also help reduce natural/congenital curvature, so I am thinking in giving it a try.

Anyone had any experiences with this? Any suggestion?

Thanks a lot,
Santiago
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 09:22:05 AM »

There certainly is not harm in trying traction. We focus more here on Peyronies correction so I have seen very few posts on correcting congenital curves with traction. But it is certainly worth the try.

Also I appreciate your post about being able to have sex with a 45 degree curve. We have younger men on the forum who have lesser curves but haven't had sex yet. And they are fearful that they will not be able to. So this might give them some assurance that you don't have to be completely straight to in order to have penetrative sex.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 05:57:25 AM »

Dr Franklin who corrected my 45 degrees downwards using his own penis curve corrections surgery told me with my curve i would develop peyronies (or maybe some kind of plaque or whatever) with having sex. Not sure how long it would take until i would get it but it does kind of make sense. I mean when you put it in a lot of stress would be going to the top side of the penis in the middle where it curves down. I mean maybe thats wrong, but he did say something like that. It would probable at least increase chances of getting peyronies down the line. What do you guys think i mean i'm just saying this from what i have heard.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 09:45:54 PM »

Just avoid rough sex. I don't see how regular intercourse would cause enough trauma to trigger Peyronies.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 03:44:08 PM »

Thanks for your replies. I decided to order Andropeyronie and give it a try. Will keep you guys posted.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 05:16:02 PM »

Perhaps it was more like penis fractures or something. But yeah don't go mad because it's probable going to be more prone to damage (maybe).
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 11:43:03 PM »

Stevew, I will always maintain that congenital curve puts a man at high risk for Peyronie's.

Also, I think traction theoretically would be very effective at correcting it, and I would recommend it to everyone within very safe limits. I have no studies to back this up and I am no doctor, only my own case which is a case of both the above.

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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 04:05:45 AM »

I bought a device like this to try and help my ~30 deg downward congenital curvature. It didn't fit, so never used it. Instead I just used manual traction using my hands which I did on and off for about a year. I found it was nicely effective at gaining length -- I got another ~.5" -- however length really wasn't what I was after; the curvature which I measured religiously did not change one bit. So the conclusion I gather from my own experience is I think the claims are true about gaining size but for congenital curvature at least I don't think it will be effective. Definitely no harm in giving it a try as the worst thing that will happen is you gain length.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 04:41:57 AM »

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Can You Use Traction Device To Correct Congenital Curvature?

Penis traction device have been successfully used to treat men with Peyronie's curvature. It is therefore only logical to ask if they can also benefit men with naturally occurring curvature.

I have not been able to find any studies about using traction to correct congenital curvature. There is of course different reasons for the penis bend. There is no scare (plaque) involved if you have congenital curvature.

I took the opportunity to ask Dr...... about this when he agreed to be interviewed for ...... Dr...... not only treats men with Peyronie's disease, he also treats men with congenital curvature.

I asked him if based on his experience is there anything other than surgery worth trying for men with congenital curvature? Dr. Gelman answer was:

"No. I think traction is totally impractical and ineffective and Xiaflex is not indicated for congenital curvature. That is because congenital curvature is a completely different problem. The tissue is normal. The problem is that between conception and birth, one side grew too long compared to the other side. Xiaflex is supposed to break down and release scar tissue, but there is no plaque or scar tissue with congenital curvature. Plication is the only treatment I consider appropriate. The surgery is highly effective if done properly. Moreover, while plication shortens the long side, in these cases, the penis is generally above average in length from the start".

So unfortunetly men with congenital curvature have either to learn to live with it or see a doctor about corrective penile surgery.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 06:03:30 AM »

Thiamine

Nothing new in your post bellow. If you was reading the forum, you was knowing that.
Check out Dr. Kuehass correction for congenital curve.
You may want to read the forum experience with him regarding congenital curve.
An example is here:
London Andrology Institute - Operation next week with Dr Kuehhas - Peyronies Society Forums

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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 09:09:25 PM »

Hello gents,

I have congenital curvature and not Peyronie's.  I have had a couple of urologists and well as Dr. Laurence Levine examine me.
I am scheduled to have surgery with Dr. Levine to correct the curvature.  He has suggested I use the USPhysiomed Traction device also.  I think he suggested that for me to counter the effects of possible size loss.  I've been using it for a month and a half though not as often as I should.  I feel like I notice SOME straightening but that could just be hopeful thinking.  Traction alone probably isn't the answer for congenital but perhaps some more responses will suggest otherwise

Just thought I would add my experience FWIW.  Best of luck.

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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 04:42:18 PM »

Based on the concept of size increase through traction, traction might just be all you need.  Patience is the key though, as you don't want to "injure" things and cause scarring...IMHO
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 07:56:39 AM »

Well i still think, and once more, that congenital curvature is still not quite understood by most Doctors or studies. Correction by surgical means yep seems piece of cake for some well experienced and expertise doctors. But the root of the cause of the curvature needs a loup (literally) to gather more clues. There aren't many studies about biology, biochemistry, anatomy, etc..
about it. Almost always the fast answer is: "It is caused by an over development of one side compared to the other, etc..." Well that does not say much technically speaking. Let me put here a study done in 2001, in Journal of Urology that actually studied the structure/composition of the tunica albuginea of men with congenital curvature. Ultrastructure of the tunica albuginea in congenital penile curvature. - PubMed - NCBI
So if the study proves anything is that actually men that have congenital curvature might have an abnormal collagen matrix of the tunica albuginea (at least partially). What caused it? It is during puberty (what might interfer with it)? It is already present when they are born (embryo)? Genetics? Hormones? What causes this dysrupture/arrest?
Could it be running in family? Well my brother and father dont have it, only me. Could my grand father have it? dont know.

Now to another study from 2013 in Journal of Urology: Familial appearance of congenital penile curvature – case history of two brothers

A report of two brothers with congenital curvature. It is really bad luck two brothers with the same problem!? :-) Well maybe is a genetic condition that arrests and generates a local androgen defeciency like the article says. I've read elsewhere, maybe in medical literature (dont remember), that penile development is regulated by specific hormonal molecule signals and when that is arrested (dont know by what) we may have a local tissue dysrupture (maybe the condition mentioned in the first article). Anyway in the second article they mention that a lot of embryos present some degree of curvature. SO we may ask what really causes this condition/dysrupture to develop/aggravate during childhood/puberty? WHat causes this "unbalance" if we can call that way? Actually some animals have their penis curved! hahahahahaha

PS: Ho I forgot the silly question. Can it be detected and avoided early?
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 08:08:54 AM »

Biology is always an approximation.  There are many factors involved when growing a bodily feature...some genetic, some nutritional, some external environmental.  Adult onset PDS is really a slightly different beast...being either injury (perceived or actual, or a biological change...hormonal, nutritional or fibrosis disease or such.  Until the actual cause is properly identified, treatments are going to have widely varied success rates.  Like pretty much ALL medical conditions, if the root cause is addressed properly, successful treatment is much more likely.  Unfortunately, there is no single root cause of PDS, as it is a symptomatic definition, and the symptoms of this condition can be caused by a wide variety of things.

The more well known this becomes, the better prevention...as many of the apparent potential causes can be avoided if they are known as contributing factors.  My own life bears 7 or 8 contributing factors, which had I known about PDS and the potential contribution some things about my life have I would have changed many things, and perhaps avoided it altogether.

Hindsight is always 20/20
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2015, 06:04:00 AM »

Hi ! Any experience with traction devices after a surgery for congenital curvature?
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2015, 09:05:27 AM »

If the surgery corrected the curvature, and all you are after is increasing your length, I would be hesitant to recommend it.  Stretching the tissue CAN stimulate scar tissue growth, and you would be right back to a curve...only Peyronie's as opposed to congenital.

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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2015, 02:06:27 PM »

I didn't understand the end..
It might be possible after a surgery for peyronie and not for a congenital curvature ?
I know after surgery for peyronie a french urologist use it (i will ask him for congenital)

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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2015, 04:20:27 PM »

If you have corrected a congenital curvature with surgery already, I would hesitate to use traction as it may introduce perceived injury which could then stimulate scar tissue and give you Peyronie's.  Just my opinion, but learn a lot before venturing down that path.
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Re: Any experience with traction devices for congenital curvature?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2015, 03:46:55 AM »

Dr Kuehhas, one of the most appreciated in here, recommends to use a traction device after his surgeries. It claims it helps, it speeds up the healing process, prevents the penis from retraction and lets you get your length back. I don't see how it could lead to another curve, remember that practically all the men in the world have some scar in their penis but it does not mean that they suffer from Peyronie. And obviously you are going to have some scar tissue after a congenital curvature surgery, all depends on how much is it. Anyway if used properly I do not see any problem in it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2015, 09:21:04 AM »

"used properly" is the key.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2016, 09:29:49 AM »

I had congenital curvature and tried traction on and off for over a year to try and correct it. I religiously measured curve using an 'angleometer' I cut out to match the curve (if my penis straightened compared to the contour I would know I was seeing results) and measured length. The only change I saw was ~.5" increase in length. I also didn't use the traction device, I used my hands for a much shorter period and used more force. Obviously care must be taken not to injure yourself. Through practice its pretty easy to stay within your limits.  -- If anything I think the major benefit of using your hands is the extra feel and control that you get. You get feedback through your hands how much force is going in and the shorter sessions and frequent rests means nothing goes numb or anything weird like that since you aren't strangling your dick for hours.

I ended up having surgery to correct the curve. My loss of length was relatively minor, I'd say the majority came from "retraction". I think I was down ~1" after surgery which was more than expected for just a 30 deg curve. After a few weeks I began light manual traction (which I think is what some doctors recommend, though mine didn't make any recomendations on this topic) using my body to gauge intensity/duration. Within 2-3 mo I had gained all but ~.25" back. Almost a year later and not really performing traction at all at this point I am back exactly to where I was before surgery; effectively no loss of length. (I had a thread documented my experience and when I did what as well as lengths along the way in the surgery section)

Personally I am a huge fan of traction both pre op and post op. I definitely noticed an increase in blood flow which I think is a good thing both going into surgery and after coming out.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2016, 12:20:30 AM »

That's amazing and good news AeroT.
I did manual traction for several years which seems to have given me length as well as smoothed out my bend and hourglassing. Everything feels more comfortable now. I agree that using your own hands had its benefits since you can easily adjust the force and angle.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2016, 02:00:31 AM »

Hi Santiago, any news about the traction device? thinking of buying
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 05:13:55 AM »

This is all just supposition on my part, but I tend to think that traction could help reduce congenital curvature.
The whole idea of traction is that prolonged tension will slowly stretch the tissue.
If one side of your penis is shorter than the other, the short side will undergo greater tension than the long side while using the device, and (theoretically) gain greater length.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2017, 04:31:17 PM »

That is the theory.  In practice however, you cannot be careful enough.  ANY perceived injury to the Tunica is possible to stimulate scarring which will only make things worse, not better.
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2017, 07:30:50 PM »

traction therapy do not help for congenital curvature. i tried many times, but had to go for surgery.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2017, 07:31:30 PM »

i use phallosan forte in the post operation time. it is easy to use.
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