Some Success with L-Citruline and L-Argenine!

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Cal30

Just wanted to report some improvement in my erections with the use of L-Citrulline and L-Arginine.

I haven't been keeping exact records of doses and times. I think I started the L-Citrulline a little over a month ago, but at 750mg, it was too small a dose to notice any improvement.

At first I was hesitant to up the dose and to add L-Arginine to the mix because of issues with heartburn and acid reflux in the past, but eventually I decided to go for it and for about the last two and half weeks, I've been taking:

1.5g L-Citrulline/day
1g L-Arginine/day

About a week ago, I noticed that it was getting easier to get and maintain erections. Also, as part of my ED, I can't remember a time when my corpus spongiosum ever really engorged at all for me during an erection, but now with the supplements I'm taking, it's engorging a little. It's not as hard as the two corpus cavernosums, but I do notice that it's bigger and a little firmer during an erection than it used to be.

This isn't a 180 for me. I haven't gone from complete inability to get/maintain an erection to getting raging hard-ons every day that won't go down. I went from difficulty getting and maintaining erections to a place where it is easier to get and maintain them. I went from 70% - 80% erect to more like 90% - 95% erect now.

I still have issues with my glans engorging properly (i.e. it still doesn't seem to engorge all that well), but overall, this is a big step in the right direction. Any improvement with this condition feels great and is very encouraging!

Cal

james1947

Just a question Cal30

L-Citrulline and L-Arginine are the only treatment you are using?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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NeoV

I recently received my Citrulline in the mail and I noticed better erections soon after taking it. I also am happy to say that my night time erections are back, though not massive by any means. They went away mysteriously after coming back for a bit with vitamin D supplementation. Now I have erections every night which is simply great.

I am taking 1.5g a day which was used in the study, but I'm considering upping it.

Specifically Arginine in combination with pycogenol was studied for ED, but I would say there is no reason not to stick to Citrulline alone, since it's converted INTO Arginine and moreover Ornithine.

Both have great studies behind them for endothelial health and ED. Really glad to hear it's having some effect.

james1947

Question to you NeoV:
L-Citrulline is the only treatment you are using?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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NeoV

James I think you mean to direct that question to Cal30,

My treatments are

CoQ10 - 400mg a day
ALCAR - 2g a day
Citrulline - 1.5g
Betaine anhydrous - 3g a day for bodybuilding and as an experiment

Also traction a bit casually.

james1947

No, I directed the question to you NeoV :)
My question should be:
How you know for sure that the Citrulline is the component of your treatment that makes you better erection?
It may be other components? Or the combination of them?
My question to Cal30 should be:
How you know for sure that the L-Citrulline and L - Arginine are the components of your treatment that makes you better erection?
I am asking because I would like also to improve my erection ad before jumping on additional Peyronies expenses I would like to have more information. It will be a big thing for me to improve my erections.
By the way, why Citrulline and no L-Citrulline?
Why Arginine and not L-Arginine?

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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NeoV

L-Citrulline-Malate, and L-Arginine are the supplement forms, so we are just calling them without the L for simplicity.

I have used Arginine in the past in various products as well as Citrulline. Both make my erections harder after and it is very noticeable. They work much like Cialis but in a backwards kind of way, in that you end up having more nitric oxide available for erections. The science is quite solid on erection quality and these supplements. Unlike other supplements, you can really feel these ones working, in particular if you take a large dose!

Cal30

NeoV, thanks for the comments and encouragement.

James, I am quite sure that it is the combination of L-Argenine and L-Citrulline that are giving me better erections.

I added 100mg of ubiquinol to the mix today, but haven't noticed any significant difference so far. Also, a few days ago, I added 100mg ubiquinol and 500mg of Acetyl-L-Carnitine to the mix and didn't notice any significant difference.

Other than those two exceptional days, arg and cit are the only supplements I've been taking for ED for the last few weeks.

Cal

james1947

NeoV and Cal

Thanks for the input.
I was taking L-Arginine in the past for two months, but I didn't had any improvements.
Maybe the daily intake was not enough, I don't remember how much it was.
What is the daily dosage you are advising?
I will order this week, lets see how it will effect me this time.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

NeoV

You will not notice CoQ10 and ALCAR's immediate effect on your Peyronie's, while anything that increases nitric oxide you will if you take a proper dosage. I would be surprised if it had no effect on an individual's erection quality James. I recommend citrulline rather than arginine for reasons explained earlier.

Cal30

James, I'm also getting 20min of cardiovascular exercise, 3 - 5 times a week. (This is one thing I left out of my post.) This also really helps me with erections, and really in every area of life, so I highly recommend at least 20min of cardio per day, 3 - 5 times per week.

Again, my current daily dose of supplements is:

1.5g L-Citrulline/day
1g L-Arginine/day

I take these supplements first thing in the morning.

Cal

james1947

Thanks for the advice Cal.
I will buy this week and start as I will get, I will start with L-Citrulline as L-Arginine didn't helped me in the past.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

andreflex7

I have had good results with L-Citrulline as well. I was taking (1) 750mg capsule, 3x per day. When I would one before bed, it helped with my nocturnal erections.

I chose L-Citrulline over L-Arginine b/c I researched and found out that a lot of the L-Arginine gets absorb before any benefit can be seen, in terms of blood flow to the penis. Sometime before I ran out of L-Citrulline, my doctor gave me a prescription for Cialis, 2.5mg - 5mg daily.

Here's what I've noticed:

* L-Citrulline alone - more blood flow throughout the day; almost like a 10-20% erection... "chubby", I think is the term. Doesn't give me the hard erections like ED medications

* Cialis alone - Hard erections, but didn't have the consistent "chubby" like I did with the L-Citrulline

* Both combined - probably the best erections I've ever had.

I took both the Cialis & L-Citrulline together for a little while. I was always cautious b/c I had read that both combined could produce a sudden drop in blood pressure, but I never figured out if that meant if you took both at the same time or if it was just the fact of having both things in your system. (that is why I usually took my last dose of L-Citrulline around 6:00 p.m. and took the Cialis around 8:00 p.m.) HOWEVER, I have read that it was ok to take both together and my new doctor told me it would be fine as well.

My "cartoon illustration" as to how both works is this:  the Cialis opens the flood gates and the L-Citrulline is the water rushing in.

Anyone have thoughts on any of this?

NeoV

Citrulline as I mentioned in another thread, was shown to be very effective at keeping a constant flow of Arginine plasma levels in the blood, whereas Arginine supplementation is broken down by an enzyme in the liver and not used as much by the body.

Cialis shuts off your body's off switch for keeping the nitric oxide in, whereas Citrulline actually increases nitric oxide available.

I haven't taken Cialis, but it makes sense that they would work well together. I also notice a great "chubby" hang all day and really wonderful nocturnal erections with citrulline.

Cal30

Thanks for the comments guys. Good to read about your successes. Thanks for the precise numbers and times in your post, Andre.

Jonbinspain

I can't recommend exercise highly enough. I maybe overdo it as I'm in the gym 5 days a week for 1-1/12 hours - and I work, hard. As I'm retired, I have the time to do this but do what you have time to do and you'll benefit from it.

I have noticed that after a workout my nuts are up really tight. Probably from the increase in testosterone.  

james1947

I got today my L-Citrulline-Malate from the US.
The only thing is not yet clear for me, should I take 2 or 3 from the 750 mg capsules per day, taking in consideration that I have no nocturnal erections and I can have erection just with 50 mg Viagra.

James

Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
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txharry

I'm new here but I just wanted to report an improvement in my ability to maintain erection that is likely related to Arginine.  So far it is the only thing I'm taking because my first Uro/Specialist visit isn't til the end of the month. - I'm hoping to get Pentox and Cialis at that point.

Before: I was still getting nocturnal erections but they would go away almost immediately when I got up to pee.  No daytime erections (spontaneous, or self-induced).

After 2 days of 1000 mg of L Arginine:  Woke up with a very hard nocturnal erection last night and had to pee.  Went to the bathroom and waited for it to go down a bit and still had to bend at the waste a little and push it down gently to get the pee in the toilet.  Very encouraging for me. I honestly did not expect it to work at all. Still no daytime erections, but I haven't really TRIED to get one today because I am having a little pain.

Still waiting on diagnosis, but this ED came on at the same time as Peyronies-like symptoms.  My strong guess is that I have Peyronies considering I have indentations and some hard tissue at the base.

james1947

txharry

You are lucky getting a strong erection just 2 days on L-Arginine, wish you continue improving. :)
I am 3 days on L-Citruline Malate and no any sign yet.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

NeoV

James,

How often do you engage in sexual activity, and do you "consume" pornography? How long have you been taking Arginine? If you took it before and then switched to Citrulline, you may not notice anything.

The body down regulates NO production. Citrulline has stopped giving me nighttime erections after a month of using it. I will stop using it for a week and start again. This may also be because I stopped masturbation and porn usage for two weeks, bringing me to a kind of flat line.

james1947

NeoV

Sex average ones a week, sometime more. No masturbation at all.
Light porn consumption, I mean see some pictures from time to time, not often.
I used L-Arginine, 2 gram per day from June 17, 2012 to January 4, 2013, so long long time ago.
I am taking now 3*750 mg L-Citruline Malate per day with meal.
On the bottles is written:
For general health, 2*750 mg per day.
For maximum efficiency up to 7*750 mg per day.
I am wandering if increasing the daily intake will be better.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

goodluck

I have been on L-Citrulline 750mg x2 for about 4 days and have not noticed anything.

Maybe I should up the dose based on the below comments.

Also, has anyone noticed a change in Blood pressure while on it?


james1947

Regarding blood pressure, both L-Arginine and L-Citrulline are not affecting me, even with low dose Cialis or Viagra for intercourse.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

MiniMe

James,

I really think you should try taking Pycnogenol 120 mg (it's better to build it up from 30mg and see how it goes) with L-arginine or L-Citrulline.
I took 2 grams L-arginine (also added 0.5 L-Lysine to avoid outbreaks of Herpes on the lips) and build up to 120 mg Pycnogenol...
I had absolutely no erections until that point, only with cialis.
After 5 months of usage I now get morning erections and can get erections almost every time I need to without any type of supplements or medication. (knocking on wood 3 times :))
Although, I wouldn't recommend using it for more than 3 months, maybe even less, because it gave me a serious stomach problems.

Hope you get good results with this,
MiniMe

james1947

Thanks for the info MiniMe.
I will see first how the L-Citrulline works as I don't want to load myself with too much supplements/medications.

James
Age 71, Peyronies from Jan 2009 following penis fracture during sex. Severe ED.
Lost 2" length and a lot of girth. Late start, still VED, Cialis & Pentox helped. Prostate surgery 2014.
Got amazing support on the forum

snowydreams

What are the best brands of L-Citrulline ?

wonderbread1662

Well I don't know if it is the best but I used mine from PrimaForce. It worked well so I have no complaints on that. I used the powdered form by the way.