Struggling with the VED

[C_lab34]

So I haven't had much luck so far with vacuum devices. Using a bathmate might have even made things worse about five months ago. Anyway, I recently acquired a Post t vac manual pump. I've used it for about a week, and only once have I been able to induce an erection. Every other time my penis just gets kind of swollen and yet still flaccid, and it's pretty uncomfortable. I think my seal is good but I'm not sure what I need to be doing to maximize bloodflow. I already have some form of venous leak so I'm wondering if this is preventing proper engorgement while in the tube. Another thing, I made the mistake of ordering a 2 inch tube and it's painful. It is too small and digs hard into the base of my penis. Does anyone know of a good larger model that's also inexpensive? From what I can tell, single cylinder models are all 2 inches, and to get a 2 1/2 one I have to get a far more expensive 3 cylinder package.

Also, does anyone have an opinion on the efficacy of VED therapy for a penis that has generalized fibrosis? Does anyone have experience not with, say, correcting or improving a curve, but recovering girth in a more global sense? I get how a vacuum stretch could help out with localized plaques, but I'm not sure how it could rehabilitate a generally scarred shaft. I fear that this form of therapy may be vain for me.  

[Jonbinspain]

Old Man is the resident VED expert. He's a nice guy, send him a P.M. If anybody can give you best advice, it's him.  

[NeoV]

One of the very points of VED is to increase girth or rather fill out the dents and hour-glassing caused by scar tissue.

You will not be able to get a full erection at first or ever at all, and I still can't unless pumping from partial erection.
However, as you keep using it it will get easier to pump from flaccid as the "blockage" has cleared, as Old Man has phrases it. Engorgement is the goal, not full erections.
The first time I used the VED I remember being very excited and then underwhelmed trying to get it to work, I noticed however that even light engorging helped me a lot with my deformity.

The benefit if VED comes from it's ability to improve oxygen saturation in the penis, therefore combating any hypoxia and fibrosis.
It also is able to bring that oxygen rich blood into the small compartments or layers of your penis that are scarred and do not fill out with regular erections.
I speculate that it clears out old inflammation that is trapped there, replacing it with oxygen rich blood allowing healing of old wounds.

So far VED has given be girth back where the scarring is and has filled out my dents well, also removing the hinge effect.

While the above contains my personal opinion, the studies exist and are very sound from my perspective. Remember that VED is like therapy, it takes a while but it might be able to get your penis back on a track of healing with consistent use.

I also do not like the small insert. The rubber insert is hurting you? Unfortunately I don't know much about VED and ED, I hope Old Man can help us out further.

It takes a long time to get your own routine going with VED. I personally break a lot of rules, #1, I don't use lube any more at all, and #2, I pump from semi erect often.
I find myself aiming the tube at a downward angle and shaking my penis a bit in the tube to lower it in. I use the larger insert of the Augusta manual.

[mrrifkin]

Does anyone know how to contact Old Man, the one cylinder Augusta Model does not work for me.  I know I have a good seal cos the cylinder fogs up, but after pumping get pain on right and left side of penis, where indents are, then I stop cos of the pain (tightness), wonder what am I doin wrong?..thanks for ur help, this is a great forum

[james1947]

mrrifkin

You may send a PM to Old Man.
Do not pump to the level that you have pain. You should stop the pumping before the pain.

James

[UrsusMinor]

Old Man has been invaluable to me in getting my VED process up and running.

You'd think it would be easy--Hey, it ain't rocket science, right? Well, as it turns out, there may be a reason some people call masturbation "Polishing the Rocket."

I use the Augusta one-cylinder, which comes with two rubber seals, the smaller fitting within the larger.

When I first received the VED, I looked at it, and it was obvious that the smaller seal wasn't for me: my girth was larger than the diameter of the orifice. So I worked with the larger seal.

The results I got were 1) It tended to tug at the flesh around the base of my penis, and, 2) the bottom half of my penis expanded to fill the whole cylinder, but the top half didn't. Unless I pumped a lot, it was sort of thick, but also sort of flaccid. And uncomfortable as hell.

Old Man encouraged me to experiment with the smaller rubber seal. I kind of had to lube up and push on through.

The difference in results were dramatic. Even alarming. Every little pump perceptibly engorged me, and did so from tip to base. When I released vacuum, things went back down.

When time came to take a break between 5-minute sequences, though, I had some momentary panic: My penis wouldn't come back out! Oh, great--now I've done it!

After breathing fast for a moment, resisting the temptation to dial 911, I realized that I could simply pop the smaller seal out of the VED. And out came the seal, still on my penis like a slightly oversized cockring. Without the vacuum keeping it engorged, I can then slide it off. (Advice: use lots of lube).

This actually seems to work quite well, and it has become my standard pattern. Doing it like this, I could easily pump to a full erection (But I don't!) And the result is far more uniform and striking. It is also less painful on the flesh around the base of the penis because a lot of the pressure of the vacuum seal occurs around your penis instead of in the soft flesh/hair/scrotum.

I think the smaller rubber seal is slightly too small for me, but it works better than the larger one. But if Old Man hadn't encouraged me to try the smaller seal, I would never have done so, since my glans is obviously bigger than the diameter of the opening. With lube, however...

Indeed, he had another trick (sorry, Old Man--I'm giving away some of your tips here). If you are lubed up, you can press the head of your penis against the opening in the seal and pump, and, no matter how flaccid you are, the vacuum will suck you gently into the VED.

So, my take is, for the first few days I was doing it all wrong, and getting a girthy, swollen, flaccid mess. Now I'm getting something that is clearly a step on the way to a normal erection. I could clearly use the device to get an erection if I wanted to do so.

You may want to experiment with the smaller seal. I'd be cautious, though--the vacuum is far, far more effective when the seal is mostly around your penis rather than the flesh of your crotch!

[UrsusMinor]

I know I have a good seal cos the cylinder fogs up...

See my previous post. For me, the cylinder fogged up most when I wasn't getting a good seal! The vacuum was pulling in moisture from outside and letting it condense.

If it even begins to feel painful, release the vacuum, you've gone too far.  

[Old Man]

Ursus:

No, you are not giving away any of my secrets as there are none for anyone when it comes to VED therapy. All of what you say is what I tell anyone that has problems getting the protocol to work for them.

However, there is one thing you said that I must correct and that is this:  where you mentioned breaking the seal between the 5 minutes VED cycles, this is incorrect and I apologize if I told you differently. THE SEAL SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN BETWEEN THE5 MINUTES CYCLES -  YOU SHOULD KEEP THE SEAL INTACT BY SIMPY JUST LETTING THE VED REST AGAINST YOUR BODY WHILE THE BLOOD (PARTIAL ERECTION) RECEDES BEFORE RESUMING THE CYCLES.

I am very glad that you took the time to post your success with the VED therapy. I know that many new guys will definitely appreciate your relating what success you are seeing.

Old Man

[Douglas Hall]

Old Man,

Would you advise keeping the seal for the 3 Cylinder Protocol as well?

Example: Pump to 50% erection, keep for 5-10 seconds, deflate until erection is gone (keep penis in cylinder with seal intact), repeat for 9 more times.

Is that right for a complete session?

Douglas

[Old Man]

Douglas:

Yes, the seal must be kept intact at all times during any VED session. This saves time in establishing it again and keeps a better seal once it has been established.

Old Man

[UrsusMinor]

However, there is one thing you said that I must correct and that is this:  where you mentioned breaking the seal between the 5 minutes VED cycles, this is incorrect and I apologize if I told you differently.

No, you didn't tell me differently. It was just an assumption I made about how the "cycles" worked.

This will save me a lot of lube!