Excessive Masturbation & Peyronie's

[Concern]

Relatively new to this forum, but after reading a lot of posts, it got me thinking.  I've had Peyronie's for a couple years now, and have been treating with Trental (Pentox), and as of yesterday, have ordered a VED.  Can't wait to see how the VED works.

My first mastaburatory experience was at the age of 12.  I remember having erections from the time I was little, and at age 12, I was just rubbing it, and had my first orgasm.  After that, I was hooked for life.  In my teen years, I masturbated excessively.  There were days when I would make it a competition with myself, and see how many times I could masturbate in one day.  There were actually days when I masturbated as many as 8 to 10 times in one day.  Into my adult life, and during the last 40 years of a monogomous sex life, I still continued to masturbate A LOT, even after having sex.  Most of the time, after I would have sex, I would sneak off into the bathroom, or another room, and masturbate.  I have masturbated in every way humanly possible.  I've been VERY creative over the years, and I'm constantly coming up with new ways to masturbate.  I will say, however, that it has NEVER been vigorous, or rough.  I've just been obsessed with it.

I currently have about a 25 to 30% curvature, which curves to the right.  I'm hoping the VED will help with it.  However, my question is this:  As far back as I can remember (even when I was a child, before puberty), I just realized that when I had an erection, my penis was always straight up against my pubic area.  (If it was longer, [which unfortunately it isn't], it would have reached my belly).  Even until recently, even after seeing other penises in porn for many years, I never gave it a thought that this was odd, or that the erections in porn, even though a heck of a lot bigger than mine, were NEVER angled like mine.  Don't get me wrong though, it has never been a hindrance in having sex, and no one has ever commentted on it.  Even after getting Peyronie's a couple years ago, it was still flush with my pubic area, but had the curvature to the right.  

Does anyone think that all the masturbating that I've done all these years could have contributed to the Peyronie's (even though it was never rigorous or rough)?  Also, is it possible that I could have had congenital Peyronie's all these years, and never even realized it, because of it being flush with my pelvic area?

I still masturbate A LOT, and now I'm puzzled.

[NeoV]

Hey Concern,

This is a key question for me, and a lot of us.

I also had a congential curvature that rode along by belly as a young kid. Even now it goes at an upward angle.

I hurt myself several times during sex because of the bend, and doggy style I remember resulted in a lot of post ejaculatory bending.
To this day I cannot effectively penetrate from behind. I slept on my stomach as a kid and had a tight foreskin, both contributed to the upward curve. I think that masturbating a congenitally curved penis can harm it. Though many might argue otherwise.

Constantly masturbating can keep inflammation in your penis chronically. After taking a 2 week break from masturbating my penis finally started to hang better and that "hard flaccid" went away. This is seriously something we all must consider immediately.

Masturbation and sex is our sport. It's what we want to do, it's what we are supplementing and undergoing therapy, to be able to do regularly. Unfortunately for us, we are injured, so taking time off it and regulating it is of the utmost importance.
Personally and for my case, I place this above all oral treatments. This is the very core of the disease for me. Even using VED every day cannot off set the inflammation trapped in your penis if you are masturbating daily with unresolved inflammation there.

While a comparison to any other body part is often shunned, Imagine if you had elbow tendonitis, what would the protocol be?
It would be to resolve inflammation first, then afterwards start rehab, and finally, you would slowly begin a lighter version of your ultimate goal. In our case, masturbation and sex! Do any of us follow this regimen? NO!

I was thinking today just how bad our habits have become, mainly my generation. We sit all day and masturbate while sitting. We then sit afterwards too, trapping any trapped blood and inflammation in our dicks for days on end.

A simple contradiction keeps us trapped in a cycle of inflammation.
We all know that erections help peyronies, but we also know that sex and masturbation often results in inflammation.
It's this contradiction, fear, and psychological dependence that keeps a lot of us inflammed and getting worse. Originally because of this I decided to induce erections but never to actually masturbate, and this actually helped restore some strength and shape to my penis. This was just too hard to do though, I would find myself masturbating any how because I was too tempted. Finally, now that I have a VED, I have solve this problem. Now I can stretch my scar and improve blood flow without being sexually turned on at all, and then be on my way afterwards. This is one of the key reasons VED works so well for me!

-V

[Concern]

Thanks NeoV

You are right.....masturbation and sex is our sport.

It's good to hear that someone else experienced their penis riding right up against their belly, or in my case, the pubic area.  

I don't recall of any specific injuries, although I think what you mention about doggy style has happened to me too probably more times than I remember.  I also never gave it a thought, but I also ALWAYS slept on my stomach as a kid.  I'm sure that didn't help.  It's weird how all these things from our past make us wonder if they had anything to do with the Peyronies.

I guess I need to back off of the masturbating for a while (as difficult as that will be), and see if anything changes.  That will be difficult though, because I even continued to masturbate during the early onset of the Peyronies when it was extremely painful.  It's hard to break an obsessive habit.  You make a lot of sense though.....I'm sure it keeps the inflammation in my penis on a chronic basis.

One thing I did read on this forum, after I made this post, was that someone could "crack" or "pop" their penis over the years, and they called it a "ligament pop".  (I think it was posted by "Centillion".)  I was so shocked when I read his post.  As far back as I can remember, I always HAD to "crack" or "pop" my penis, as soon as I got an erection.  In fact, I couldn't even do anything with the erection unless I "cracked" or "popped" it first.  There were even times when I would go to use my penis for sex, and almost immediately when I penetrated, it would "crack" or "pop" all on it's own.  I always thought I was the ONLY person in the world that this happened to, and I certainly never talked to anyone about it!  When I saw that post, I got to wondering if that might have had something to do with it.  (I've never talked to my doctor about it either).  I would be interested to hear if anyone else has ever experienced this cracking/popping (or ligament pop)?

I don't think masturbating sitting down has been my problem.  That's not to say I haven't done it, but for some reason, I've always preferred lying down, or standing, to masturbate.  I have, however, had an office job for the last 40 years, and have done A LOT of sitting.  Who knows, that might have something to do with it too.  

You are so right about the simple contradiction that keeps us trapped in this cycle of inflammation.  And, your comparison of the elbow with tendinitis and Peyronies makes a lot of sense.  I never really thought about it.  Unfortunately, that little organ between our legs has a MAJOR impact on controlling our life.

I'm looking forward to using the VED, but I will be honest, I'm sure it will be difficult to use it, and not want to masturbate.  I've never used one, but I would think that using it would turn me on sexually?  You say that when you use the VED, it doesn't turn you on at all?  I can't imagine getting an erection, even for a couple seconds, without being turned on.  That puzzles me.  Maybe you can elaborate for me on how that works?  Regardless, I will do my best, however, to refrain from masturbating, as I REALLY want this curvature to be GONE.

If anyone has any comments or answers to some of the stuff I've mentioned in this post, I'd like to hear from them.

[damian]

neo
I don't think that masturbation cause inflammation. When you're ejaculating, the pelvic muscles clench too strong and if you already have issues with the pelvic floor (and for some reason everyone who suffers from peyronies, have) it results in hard-flaccid. I noticed that if my HF is pronounced, my pain is worse. But over the months I didn't see any worsening of my condition. If there where any inflammation, it probably would be worse.

What I learned from my experience is, that erections and GENTLE masturbating are "good", and sex is doing harm. I broke up with my GF for a month, masturbated everyday (sometimes twice), and the pain almost disappeared. We got together again, and I began to get erections in tight jeans again (sometimes painful) and we had sex. Now I'm in pain again.

Our penis is a very moveable organ, so that wounds can't heal properly. As long as we move and live our lives, the penis almost every second move and changes it's position. If you add erections to it, that tear up the healed every time you get a disease called "peyronie's". I'm 100% sure that that regularly  re-injuring the penis, contributes to the long lasting disease, along with other factors. Sometimes I think, that hard-flaccid is a good thing. Maybe our body is trying to keep it in place. Just like a cast, when you break your bone.

[LWillisjr]

What I learned from my experience is, that erections and GENTLE masturbating are "good", and sex is doing harm.

Just as there is rough and gentle masturbation, there is rough and gentle sex. So I'm not following Ushtipack's logic of sex being bad. Gentle and cautious sex is every bit as good as cautious and gentle masturbation.

And as long as your are gentle I don't see how this causes inflammation. Gentle movement of the skin over the Tunica or gentle massage of the nerves in the glans will lead to climax. I don't see how this is damaging.

As far as erection angles.....  If you will notice porn stars are seldom rock hard do to constant scene shoots. Most of those guys take a lot of stimulation o their erections hang lower because they are super hard. The message here is don't compare yourselves to porn stars.

If you do any research at all you will find that most males with a solid  erection have a 60-65 degree erection angle (straight out parallel to the floor is 0 degrees). This is completely normal for missionary position sex. For those with a higher then normal erection angle can make other positions a bit more challenging.

[damian]

heheh, I said MY experience.

[jackp]

Sex with peyronies:
NO girl on top or from behind!
Peyronies causes our penis to shorten. The preferred position is missionary, put the girl's butt on a pillow. This changes the angle and allows for better penetration and movement, without slipping out. Always have a rigid penis and use a good lubricant to prevent futher injury.

Jackp
http://jackp-penileimplant.blogspot.com

[inkhorn]

Jack- Since getting the idea from you of using the pillow, we have used the missionary position a lot, and it is great for both of us. However with my 45% dorsal curve, my deepest penetration, and best feeling for me is from behind. Most everything we do is pretty gentle. On a long weekend away I let her get on top, for a little, no pain or damage, but made her get on and off gently.I think all the therapy I have learned and used from this site has improved the curve and helped with our sex life. Regards Inkhorn

[jackp]

Inkhorn

Be very careful with the girl on top. Dr. Milam had to re-operate twice on a patient who's wife would bend backward while on top. I believe he said he had to give her a good talking to.  

Always use the best position for you and the wife. Always have sex with a rigid penis and lubricant to prevent futher injury.  Make sure she understands not to let you slip out.  

Jackp
http://jackp-penileimplant.blogspot.com