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Traction During Active Phase
« on: January 18, 2013, 01:01:59 PM »

I'm wondering if anyone has experience using traction during the active or inflammatory phase. I saw a post mentioning Dr. Levine said it's ok, but I want to be extremely cautious not to cause a flare up or additional damage.
I can get erections just fine with the daily cialis, and erections don't cause me any pain. The only pain I experience is in the flaccid state, but that seems to be under control with the pentox. I'm thinking the traction doesn't stretch the penis out more than an erection would, so if an erection doesn't aggravate it, traction shouldn't. Does that sound right?
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 05:22:35 PM »

Dr. Levine is my doctor. He highly encourages the use of traction during the acute phase. And he will tell you it is the guys who can put the most time into that get results. This is why traction is different than just depending on erections. You need to do traction a minimum of 2-4 hours per day or more. So while an erection may put a similar amount of traction or pull on the affected area, it isn't long enough time wise.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 08:39:39 PM »

Thanks for your reply. So is it safe to assume that if erections don't cause pain, that traction wouldn't either?
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 12:38:33 PM »

seems logical.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2013, 02:59:32 PM »

Which device does Dr Levine recommend? I'm ready to try.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2013, 09:21:37 PM »

He endorses the Fastsize brand but the they are essentially the same unit as 4Xlabs and several others.  Little to no difference.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 10:20:59 PM »

I wonder why he wouldn't endorse Phallosan instead? I like the way that works much, much better than the Fastsize type.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2013, 11:13:09 PM »

The fastsize/andropenis extenders have a certain amount of studies behind them, two at least specifically on Peyronie's. I've not seen any for Phallosan on Peyronie's, nor any at all other than one posted on the phallosan website itself.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 09:12:04 AM »

Can anyone recommend a site to buy a traction device from, either here or through PM? I am considering trying one as I have few other options, but it's hard to tell exactly where the best place to buy online is.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 10:30:22 AM »

Try this .

Penis Enhancement Products - Penile Enhancement - Penis Enlargement

The Fast Size from UsPhysioMed is apparently no longer available.
But you can try calling them in Irvine , Ca @ 949 616 5560

At any rate , someone located in my area of Ontario just obtained a traction device from Andro Medical noted above.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 03:05:00 PM »

Bringing an old post to life here, but I was searching the forum for advice on using traction in the active phase.
Reading a couple of studies, I am a bit confused.

Penile Traction in the Acute Phase of Peyronie's - Peyronies Society Forums - advocates the use of PTT in the active phase

Inflammatory mechanisms and oxi... [Inflamm Allergy Drug Targets. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI - Exactly opposite, see quote below

"In
our opinion the indication for the application of penile
extenders should concern patients with penile curvature (not
exceeding 50 degrees) and non-active Peyronie’s disease. In
fact, the penile extender if used in the active phase of Peyronies Disease,
leads to a continuous traction, undoubtedly slightly traumatic
and therefore may result in an exacerbation of inflammation
with secondary progression and worsening."


I am on the fence here...not really sure what to believe. Thoughts?
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 07:19:20 PM »

Wish I understood what they are trying to say in that Quote.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 07:49:15 PM »

The first is a study which investigates what actually happens when you use traction in the acute phase, the second is an opinion based paragraph. The first rules out the second. The study had not been run when the opinion piece was written, one would hope the opinion would be changed by seeing a study which completely contradicts it.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 07:46:54 PM »

I am apparently in what would be described as the 'acute' phase and have tried traction on 4 separate occasions over 2 years. The inflammation of my penis is extremely sensitive and every time I use it it seems to get more inflamed. I am usually scared to continue as my penis feels more damaged after using it. The same goes for VED though and almost everyone seems to say that they don't have a problem with it.

I am currently trying the device again for a few days now and my plan is to be as conservative as possible, basically stretching only slightly more than the length my flaccid penis naturally hangs. So far my experience using the traction device in acute phase has been bad but I'm hoping this last attempt will be different, naturally.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2014, 09:21:16 AM »

I've posted many times......  don't get aggressive with the tension.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2014, 01:03:49 PM »

Important:

Beeing healthy(eating, eyercise etc.) and heaving a healthy lifestyle to promote healthy blood, healthy blood circualtion and a healthy reaction of your body to injury is the most important. Without that any further stress will lead to more unhealthy tissue.

In theory if underlying issues are solved then healthy(dont get cold-circulation!) traction is the best you can do to avoid scar tissue forming as dense plagues.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2014, 09:26:43 PM »

Traction during the acute phase is where it's at, if you ask me. Just don't use much tension. Hold for long durations and change angles. My Peyronie's is basically cured, and I did traction for hours since the beginning.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2014, 09:32:31 PM »

LWillisjr, I have andropenis tension device and each of the 3 previous times I have tried it I followed the protocol in the instructions which it says is specifically for peyronies. I always thought the adaptation period was too intense in terms of increasing tension. This protocol, however, is based on studies that they've conducted with apparent success which is misleading for some of us. Now I am following my own more conservative plan.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2014, 10:57:48 AM »

I am apparently in what would be described as the 'acute' phase and have tried traction on 4 separate occasions over 2 years. The inflammation of my penis is extremely sensitive and every time I use it it seems to get more inflamed. I am usually scared to continue as my penis feels more damaged after using it. The same goes for VED though and almost everyone seems to say that they don't have a problem with it.

I'm in the same boat, & having doubts about the conclusion of the study below. No matter how gentle I am with the traction, it just feels like it's irritating things down there.

I took last week off because it got too much (esp after my rather unpleasant experience with Caverject), & just carried on with the VED. By the end of the week the flaccid pain had subsided massively. Reintroduced the traction again on Monday & already feel like someone's been teeing off on my unit.

As an aside, those of you combining traction WITH VED - are you limiting the amount of time you use both? 8 hours of traction AND 20 minutes of VED just seems an awful lot for a wang to take IMHO. I've taken to 4 hours & 10 minutes respectively - in an attempt to get the best of both worlds.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2014, 07:53:10 PM »

Have you measured the tension on your device? What tensions are you using?

With the VED, a light VED session is not a workout for the penis at all, rather a restorative, getting oxygenated blood circulating through. So doing that and traction in the same day should be no issue.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2014, 09:42:04 PM »

LWillisjr, I have andropenis tension device and each of the 3 previous times I have tried it I followed the protocol in the instructions which it says is specifically for peyronies.

I would be happy if someone would post or send me the link to one of these studies. I have not seen any study based solely on the use of a traction device and a protocol specifically for Peyronies.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2014, 10:10:23 PM »

List of them here - Treating Peyronie's with Penis Extenders - Studies and Evidence

Protocols are just hours and tensions really though. That is also why I think everyone needs to measure the tension on their device before using it, make sure you know how hard the tension is going to be when you hit the marks on the device.

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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2014, 06:45:54 PM »

Thanks for posting these. I actually had seen some of these. I think the evidence is clear that traction is a proven therapy for certain symptoms of Peyronies. But what isn't quite as defined is the protocol used. So it still makes it difficult to tell someone new to traction exactly how long and to what amount of tension is effective. In the one study it does say the devices were worn a minimum of 2 hours per day.
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2014, 09:50:20 PM »

Yep agreed. Also how conservative to be at the start, it's hard to give a straight answer on that. Do you start at low tension (600-900 grams) and 2 hours a day, and slowly increase the hours, then increase the tension. Or do you increase the tension first and then build up the hours?

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2014, 06:35:35 PM »

Have you measured the tension on your device? What tensions are you using?
I haven't a clue tbh - I'm using a Phallosan Forté, which comes with a colour coded bar as an indicator: green, yellow & red. I've been using it at the very bottom of the green bar - so about as low a tension setting as is possible.

I notice you comment on VED sessions not providing a workout for the penis. Diagressing from traction a bit, but I'm still a little confused about the science behind VED & it's treatment of Peyronies Disease. On here the general consensus seems to be to pump very lightly & not to an erection level - in order to promote blood flow into the wang. However, on the literature which Augusta ship with the SomaCorrect it suggests pumping to full erection as many times as is possible in 20 minutes - the idea being to stretch the tissues out? So what do you do?  :-\
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Re: Traction During Active Phase
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2014, 08:55:43 PM »

SOrry when I said 'not a work out' i meant it is not hard on the penis, so it doesn't add to the workload. In short, using it with traction is (in my opinion) beneficial rather than being 'a lot for a wang to take'.

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2014, 08:57:27 PM »

However, on the literature which Augusta ship with the SomaCorrect it suggests pumping to full erection as many times as is possible in 20 minutes - the idea being to stretch the tissues out? So what do you do?  :-\

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